[02:22] <duflu> How do I turn off vibrate on touch? I've turned it off for the keyboard but the phone still vibrates on shell touches
[03:39] <CsharpCode> Anyone looking foward to getting a ubuntu phone
[03:41] <nhaines> I am.  No Bluetooth on my Nexus 5 is a hassle.  :)
[03:43] <CsharpCode> I'm gonna get one just to show my support but until the apps get developed i'll have to stay with android.
[03:44] <nhaines> Fair enough.  I need a couple Google apps, but otherwise I could make it work.
[03:44] <nhaines> Full convergence is the point where I *need* to have one, so I'm not sure exactly when I'm going to buy one.
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <nudoge> hi
[08:46] <robo> hi
[08:47] <robo> nudoge, I've been waiting for ubuntu touch and ubuntu tv, since I first heard of them
[08:48] <robo> seems like a long wait haha
[08:48] <nudoge> ya
[08:48] <nudoge> I am wanting to see the EFI settings
[08:49] <nudoge> UEFI*
[08:49] <robo> I use an ubuntu touch type of theme on my android phone haha
[08:49] <nudoge> also want to start building service
[08:50] <nudoge> using the ubuntu platform with gsm wlan and gps is going to be fun
[08:50] <robo> you think that will be fun?
[08:50] <nudoge> built out with the openstack teams to store custom file shares
[08:51] <nudoge> you can have ubuntu teams
[08:51] <robo> are you a developer?
[08:51] <nudoge> im learning
[08:51] <robo> ok
[08:52] <robo> not me haha
[08:53] <nudoge> emulation and RDP protocols are going to change things
[08:53] <robo> I don't have any computers that use uefi yet
[08:53] <nudoge> I have 2
[08:53] <robo> cool
[08:53] <nudoge> they suck
[08:53] <robo> really?
[08:53] <nudoge> I want old computers with puppylinux on it
[08:53] <nudoge> new programs are so heavy
[08:53] <robo> I thought they were supposed to be a lot better than bios
[08:54] <nudoge> thats another reason I like touch
[08:54] <nudoge> robo: they prevent some custom installs
[08:54] <nudoge> it does prevent people doing terrible things to your computer with a flash drive
[08:54] <robo> nudoge, I thought they solved all of that
[08:54] <nudoge> robo: you still need a key
[08:55] <robo> but can't any body get the key for $100
[08:55] <robo> so anybody making a distro can do that right?
[08:56] <robo> goes through verisign I thought
[08:56] <nudoge> hmmmmm
[08:57] <nudoge> for custom distros that would get expensive
[08:58] <robo> and if you buy a computer without an operating system on it then can set it to not look for a key right?
[08:58] <robo> or if you buy the motherboard and install it on your own
[09:00] <sturmflut-work> UEFI and Secure Boot are not the same thing, BTW
[09:01] <robo> why would you need a key for uefi if not for the secure boot?
[09:02] <sturmflut-work> robo: You don't need a key for UEFI. You need a key for Secure Boot. You can have Secure Boot without UEFI, and you can have UEFI without Secure Boot.
[09:03] <robo> so why can't you put some custom os on uefi?
[09:03] <sturmflut-work> robo: You can? Just disable Secure Boot, if it is even enabled
[09:04] <robo> okay
[09:04]  * sturmflut-work even has a Windows 8.1 tablet with UEFI, happily running Ubuntu with Secure Boot disabled
[09:21] <nudoge> thanks sturmflut-work
[09:21] <nudoge> !tip sturmflut-work 1
[09:21] <sturmflut-work> Haha
[09:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
[09:51] <nudoge> gnight
[10:19] <sturmflut-work> popey: The armhf schroots need some love I think. I would expect that the development package for every library is present, which is the case for most, but e.g. not for libasound.
[10:20] <sturmflut-work> popey: Do you know who defines the default package list for schroots?
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: yeah, bzoltan_
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: but you can always dive into them and add what you need
[10:20] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work: what packages do you miss from there?
[10:21] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work:  the API set is defined here -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/view/head:/sdk-libs
[10:23] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: I stumbled across the missing libasound2-dev just now, maybe I find more while working on the libSDL stuff.
[10:23] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: Thanks, I'll have a look.
[10:26] <sturmflut-work> popey: IMO one shouldn't have to manually install packages in an schroot if the library already comes with the schroot. I prefer to not touch my schroots at all, it makes development much harder because you always have to remember which packages you installed manually if you recreate an schroot or if you have multiple development machines (as I do).
[10:26] <popey> thats a fair point
[10:28] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work:  you are perfectly right
[10:28] <bzoltan_> popey: sturmflut-work: The story of these development APIs that are not present in the schroot are the following:
[10:29] <bzoltan_> We have a high level API set, mostly Qt and QML APIs. We are commited to these, we know they are stable and we guarantee that apps written against these APIs are going to be good in the given framework.
[10:31] <bzoltan_> But, when it comes to more platform level APIs the story gets more complex. Sure, we have the libasound2 present on the platform, so we can provide the -dev packages in the SDK. But imagine  if we start to add dozens and dozens of APIs like that to the SDK. We do not have an API controll or an update policy for these APIs, so if you use these apps, then your app is guaranteed to work as long these libraries do not change.
[10:32] <bzoltan_> If they change, then we should hope that they do not break APIs, but the API stability we can not guarantee for 100%
[10:33] <bzoltan_> I know it sounds scray :) and I am folding out here the worst case scenario .. as in real life we do pay attantion to any changes. But we do not and can not test all apps in the store after each library upgrade.
[10:57] <saidinesh5> Guys is there a way to enable mouse cursor in Ubuntu touch?
[10:57] <saidinesh5> I know it is detecting my kids via usb otg
[10:58] <saidinesh5> Nexus 7....
[10:58] <saidinesh5> Mouse pointer
[11:16] <matv1> it occurred to me that lots of times, after an system update, my networking is out of wack. i.e. I have both wifi and data cell data set but neither makes a connection. it seems espcially  that when no wifi is available,  cell data conection fails. The things is that rebooting again always fixes this.
[11:16] <matv1> Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?
[11:18] <matv1> mako rtm devel proposed
[11:24] <matv1> looking at launchpad I am not sure if that relates to an existing bug or not
[11:36] <sturmflut-work|A> saidinesh5: Good question. I know that Mir and Unity8 support mouse cursors, but I have no idea if that's enabled on phones/tablets.
[12:05] <jgdx> mandel, hey
[12:06] <mandel> jgdx, hello
[12:07] <jgdx> mandel, I think we could land [1] if the AP failure was addressed. Do you know if it's a real issue or flakyness? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-pause-rtm/+merge/246410
[12:07] <mandel> jgdx, let me check
[12:11] <mandel> jgdx, As far as I can tell is flakyness in the tests rather than changes in the code
[12:12] <jgdx> mandel, right, then merging trunk might be a solution to that.
[12:12] <mandel> jgdx, let me do that and push the change then
[12:16] <mandel> jgdx, when you say trunk, you mean lp:ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-14.09, right? cause that mr is for the rtm code base (backported)
[12:16] <uhhimhere> can I haz ubuntu touch on da uber pandora?
[12:17] <uhhimhere> http://boards.openpandora.org/page/homepage.html
[12:18] <mandel> jgdx, if that is the case I already did the merge and pushed it
[12:19] <jgdx> mandel, right, rtm
[12:19] <jgdx> k cool
[12:19]  * jgdx turns on notifications
[12:20] <anpok_> uhhimhere: why not just install ubuntu and the unity8 desktop?
[12:22] <uhhimhere> doesnt this come bundled ?
[12:34] <sturmflut-work> bzoltan_: I agree. I'll bundle everything necessary with my app.
[12:39] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: Someone apparently managed to install Ubuntu 12.04 on the OpenPandora at some point. If you manage to install Vivid Vervet, and get Mir working with the PowerVR GPU, then Unity8 may be just an "apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir" away...
[12:39] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: But I heavily doubt it
[12:59] <jgdx> Wellark, updated bug as requested. "All bets are off for call management" -- ofonod
[13:00] <seb128> mpt, I'm unsure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1401916 doesn't require design, we need an UI for the user to be able to configure screens no?
[13:01] <mpt> seb128, but the design already exists for X, right?
[13:01] <seb128> mpt, not sure, we have a desktop design, is that to stick on e.g a docked phone?
[13:06] <pete-woods> dholbach: hi, I have a scope upload to the click store that needs a fix to the click-reviewers-tools (https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-reviewers-tools/childscopes-field/+merge/247004) MR here :)
[13:09] <pete-woods> (trivial change)
[13:11] <mpt> seb128, there is no mention of phones in that bug report :-]
[13:13] <seb128> mpt, right, it's still unclear to me how settings work in the convergence world
[13:17] <mrphantom> Hi, I want to port ubuntu touch to my device. I am pretty aware with building cm for my device. Can someone help me?
[13:17] <dholbach> pete-woods, hum... do we document that somewhere how the config is structured? do we need tests? I haven't been part of any discussions about this, so I feel a bit like I don't know what to make a decision about
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> popey: Okay, https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template now builds the binary for the Desktop and the Phone, when building for the phone all necessary (?) libraries are bundled, the resulting click package can be installed on the phone and the binary is actually started.
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> popey: Sadly it breaks with "SDL_Init(): No available video device"
[13:20] <sturmflut-work> popey: Most likely because it tries to dlopen libmirclient.so.7, and libmirclient.so.8 is installed
[13:20] <popey> sturmflut-work: on my device it was doing dlopen on .so.8 but failed
[13:21] <popey> even though that was installed
[13:22] <sturmflut-work> popey: Which version are your schroot and device on? I have a 14.10 schroot and the Nexus 4 is on the stable channel (14.10 r14)
[13:23] <popey> sturmflut-work: not a schroot, I built directly on the device
[13:23] <pete-woods> dholbach: the structure is documented, yes. and I've added it to the test suite, in that MR
[13:23] <pete-woods> dholbach: I'm on the scopes team, and I can say that the real problem is that we need to be more responsible in updating the click tools when we add new fields
[13:24] <dholbach> pete-woods, ok... maybe I was just missing the link to the documentation of it?
[13:24] <pete-woods> I will provide :)
[13:24] <dholbach> pete-woods, sure, I'm super happy if you (or others) take care of improving the checks and tests
[13:25] <dholbach> pete-woods, I just felt like I had little idea about the config structure myself - docs will help with that :)
[13:25] <pete-woods> dholbach: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-api/trunk/view/head:/CONFIGFILES#L393
[13:27] <mpt> seb128, we will need an equivalent of everything currently in System Settings on the PC, and rules for when it should be visible (e.g. you won’t want “Wacom Tablet” visible 99.9% of the time)
[13:28] <dholbach> pete-woods, ok, looks good - I'll just add an entry to d/changelog - how about adding the link to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-api/trunk/view/head:/CONFIGFILES somewhere in cr_scope.py?
[13:28] <seb128> mpt, well, is the desktop design to change? are we going to have different settings apps/one that change according to the environment?
[13:28] <dholbach> pete-woods, just so it's clearer for the next reviewer
[13:28] <mpt> seb128, I don’t know :-)
[13:28] <pete-woods> dholbach: that's a good idea
[13:28] <pete-woods> will do that
[13:28] <seb128> mpt, is anyone thinking about that? or assigned to work on that?
[13:29]  * dholbach hugs pete-woods
[13:29] <pete-woods> :D
[13:29] <mpt> seb128, it’s my reponsibility, but in general we haven’t started on the PC yet
[13:30] <seb128> mpt, what about a docked phone? ;-)
[13:30] <mpt> seb128, what about the drains in Clapham?
[13:30] <seb128> lol
[13:30] <sturmflut-work> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1402753
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, one reason I added ubuntu-ux on that unity8 screen config is that I'm unsure what are the requirements, but I'm not sure if that comes from design
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, like should a phone connect to a hdmi screen just mirror? or allow config? and if so how...
[13:31] <popey> sturmflut-work: D'oh!
[13:31] <mpt> seb128, so put that in the bug description. “In the new world unity8 should probably be the one setting up the configuration at start” doesn’t suggest any design requirements at all.
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, ok
[13:35] <seb128> sturmflut-work, popey, is a simple no change rebuild enough?
[13:36] <popey> seb128: I don't actually know, but that sounds possible.
[13:36] <seb128> bregma, ^ do you know?
[13:36] <seb128> why didn't that happen since decembre if that's the case?
[13:37] <popey> i dont think anyone actually used libsdl in anger yet
[13:37] <popey> so nobody is inconvenienced (yet) by this being broken
[13:39] <bregma> bschaefer will be around in a couple of hours, he runs libSDL2 on his device, he will be able to shine light
[13:39] <bregma> ... or take the fall
[13:42] <greyback> bregma: just a reminder, can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/fix-GTK-rendering/+merge/246201 please? Just to see if I'm sane or not
[13:42] <bregma> greyback, sure, I'll probably get a chance today
[13:42] <greyback> bregma: thank you
[13:43] <sturmflut-work> In my case the problem might be that I am still on the stable channel (Utopic) with my schroot and device. I get libsdl2-2.0.2+dfsg1-3ubuntu2, which was uploaded in May 2014, while Vivid seems to be on libsdl2-2.0-0_2.0.2+dfsg1-6ubuntu1, which was uploaded on January 6.
[13:44] <sturmflut-work> If a rebuild fixes the problem, the package should also be rebuilt for Utopic I think
[13:47] <cwayne> pitti: ping -- what was the magic to send the password over adt-run so that things can be run as sudo?
[13:47] <pete-woods> dholbach: thanks for the merge. is there a way for me to tell when that code is deployed to the store?
[13:48] <dholbach> pete-woods, no, that's a question for beuno
[13:48] <dholbach> at least not AFAIK
[13:48] <dholbach> @daily?
[13:48] <seb128> sturmflut-work, that makes sense
[13:48]  * dholbach shrugs
[13:49] <pete-woods> dholbach: okay, will ask the u1 guys then :)
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, could you take a look at [1]? It's the same as [2], but not requiring string change. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-forgetful/+merge/247011 [2] https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-forgetful/+merge/246644
[13:49] <seb128> jgdx, hey, sure
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, great, thanks. Might be able to land that today then :)
[13:50] <seb128> jgdx, did you try to IRC ping ken about updating his version?
[13:50] <jgdx> seb128, ken was out yesterday and sick today
[13:50] <seb128> k
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> Wow. This building allegedly has dual-band 802.11n WiFi coverage, and ATM my Nexus 4 is downloading package updates at exactly 2.952 bytes per second.
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> This must be the "future" everybody is talking about
[14:05] <pitti> cwayne: with the adb runner? adt-run ... --- ssh -s adb -- -p s3kr1t
[14:06] <seb128> jgdx, approved, but it would be cool if you could mp the string change to trunk as well while you are at it
[14:07] <jgdx> seb128, thanks! https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-fix-forget-string-1378637/+merge/247014
[14:08] <seb128> jgdx, I think you should use "Forget this network", that's what is in the design, we can change strings in trunk
[14:08]  * jgdx checks. 
[14:09] <seb128> jgdx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking has "Erratum: “Disconnect” should be “Forget This Network”."
[14:09] <seb128> jgdx, though mpt got the casing wrong there I think, we use sentence case in settings
[14:09] <seb128> settings/unity8
[14:11] <jgdx> seb128, thanks, updated the branch. Take a look?
[14:12] <jgdx> afaics both places should have the same string, "Forget this network".
[14:12] <seb128> jgdx, thanks, approved this time ;-)
[14:13] <jgdx> :)
[14:13] <gcollura> hi guys, I'm using a mako with rtm r14, I've a sim inside my phone but ubuntu doesn't recognize it, it just say "No SIM" in the network indicator
[14:13] <gcollura> It used to work until this morning
[14:14] <gcollura> when I boot the phone it doesn't even ask for the pin and when it occasionally does, the indicator show "offline", but still no signal
[14:15] <gcollura> I've tried to remove/insert the sim, reboot several time, reflash the ubuntu image, but I got nowhere
[14:26] <jibel> I cannot use the emulator on Vivid but it works fine on Utopic. I filed bug 1412495, is it a known issue on the devel release?
[14:35] <jgdx> gcollura, what does /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems say?
[14:36] <jgdx> gcollura, that will output sensitive info, so redact if you post it somewhere
[14:38] <gcollura> jgdx, here's the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/9794768/
[14:38] <gcollura> I've modified some numbers, but I don't think it was useful anyway
[14:40] <jgdx> gcollura, hm, looks like flightmode?
[14:41] <gcollura> jgdx, I don't know, flight mode is off and wifi works
[14:41] <jgdx> gcollura, what does system settings re: flight mode? on/off?
[14:41] <jgdx> wifi works with flight mode
[14:42] <gcollura> jgdx, off even in system settings
[14:43] <jgdx> gcollura, do you get anything interesting from /usr/share/ofono/scripts/online-modem ?
[14:43] <gcollura> the output: Setting modem /ril_0 online...
[14:44] <gcollura> now the network indicator shows "unknown" status
[14:45] <jgdx> gcollura, did list-modems change?
[14:46] <jgdx> might wanna check syslog, and quite possibly file a bug against ofono?
[14:47] <gcollura> jgdx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9794851/
[14:47] <gcollura> it changed a bit
[14:47] <jgdx> gcollura, yeah, seems normal but locked
[14:48] <gcollura> jgdx, shall I try to reboot?
[14:48] <jgdx> gcollura, maybe try unlocking it first?
[14:49] <jgdx> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/unlock-pin /ril_0 pin 1234
[14:49] <gcollura> jgdx, \o/ it works now :)
[14:50] <jgdx> gcollura, cool. Not sure why rf (online) was disabled though? I don't know enough.
[14:53] <gcollura> jgdx, if I remember I tried to set the offline mode this morning, maybe it didn't set off correctly
[14:56] <jgdx> gcollura, which setting was that?
[14:56] <gcollura> jgdx, flight mode
[14:58] <jgdx> gcollura, okay.. then perhaps urfkill is the culprit? Not sure if it has the responsibility to restore rf on the modem. If you can reproduce it later on, could you also file a bug?
[14:59] <mandel> jgdx, is the following silo the one to land the fix in rtm => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-019
[14:59] <gcollura> jgdx, sure :)
[14:59] <gcollura> jgdx, thanks for your help :)
[15:00] <jgdx> gcollura, np :)
[15:00] <jgdx> mandel, the pause fix?
[15:00] <mandel> jgdx, yes, the pause fix
[15:01] <jgdx> mandel, I was planning on doing it through the spreadsheet. Not sure what silo we'd get. Still waiting on CI
[15:01] <jgdx> row 55 in the sheet
[15:01] <mandel> jgdx, ok
[15:26] <sturmflut-work> popey: I just noticed that I can't even manually install the libsdl2-dev package on my device - it is simply not part of the http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/ archive. Which channel is your device on and which archive(s) does it use?
[15:27] <awe_> jgdx, what's the status on the system-settings Set3G UI change?  Were you able to rework after seeing abeato's explanation of the way the props work?  We need to land the ofono changes asap, and really can't afford to delay past today
[15:27] <jgdx> awe_, waiting on positive review from ken.
[15:28] <awe_> jgdx, any chance that'll happen today?
[15:28] <jgdx> seb128, do you have a chance to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/tech-switch/+merge/246503 ?
[15:29] <mpt> pmcgowan, john-mcaleely: Hi, has there been any progress on version numbering since your comments in bug 1385339?
[15:30] <pmcgowan> mpt, not that I am aware of
[15:30] <mpt> It’s bothersome that giving both the release version and the image version isn’t enough to identify an image
[15:31] <pmcgowan> mpt, my view is that it really is
[15:31] <pmcgowan> let me re-read
[15:32] <Wellark> jgdx: sorry, which bug?
[15:32] <jgdx> Wellark, bug 1411714
[15:32] <jgdx> awe_, gimme 10 minutes to figure that out
[15:33] <awe_> jgdx, ack
[15:34] <krisabsinthe42> need to get a new phone, have Nexus 4. I might just wait for that BQ
[15:34] <jgdx> awe_, it's likely.
[15:35] <seb128> jgdx, do you know why CI failed?
[15:35] <jgdx> seb128, seems adb did not yield any devices
[15:35] <seb128> jgdx, it's not a trivial review, I've a meeting now, not sure I can review today but I can tomorrow otherwise
[15:36] <jgdx> seb128, sure thing. I'll ping you tomorrow if I can't get any eyes on it today.
[15:36] <mpt>  😌 15:36:08@~> ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels
[15:36] <mpt> the required flag `--device' was not specified
[15:36] <mpt>  😠 15:36:15@~> ubuntu-device-flash query --device --list-channels
[15:36] <mpt> A query option is requrired
[15:36] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[15:36] <Wellark> awe_: have you seen bug 1411714
[15:36] <mpt> ಠ_ಠ
[15:37] <awe_> Wellark, no
[15:37] <Wellark> awe_: the logs contain scary messages from ofonod
[15:37]  * awe_ looking
[15:38] <awe_> right... yes I did see it
[15:38] <awe_> jgdx, weren't you were going to get rid of the pastebin "steps-to-reproduce"?
[15:38] <mpt> So <https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/> is out of date, and it has no author or feedback info
[15:38] <awe_> abeato, did you ever try to reproduce the problem that jgdx brought up last week?
[15:39] <awe_> ( ie. repeatedly switching the 3g capability back and forth eventually led to badness )
[15:39] <pmcgowan> mpt, added a comment from an email thread but I think john and I still are not in agreement on needing the channel info, your input is welcome
[15:39] <jgdx> awe_, wut, I remember doing that. Not saving though. One sec
[15:39] <awe_> jgdx, thank
[15:40] <abeato> awe_, I've tried when testing latest package in spreadsheet, using the ofono script
[15:40] <abeato> but maybe not that many executions
[15:40] <john-mcaleely> mpt,  not that I'm aware of
[15:41] <awe_> abeato, and can't reproduce?
[15:41] <abeato> awe_, no, but I'll try harder now
[15:41] <awe_> jgdx, can you reproduce on RTM, or only devel-proposed?
[15:42] <jgdx> awe_, only devel-proposed so far
[15:43] <awe_> right, but we're trying to land in RTM...
[15:43]  * awe_ thinks this should be the focus of any efforts to reproduce
[15:44] <mpt> jgdx, it turns out that “ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels” doesn’t work after all :-]
[15:44] <mpt> and I haven’t figured out what does
[15:45] <jgdx> mpt, WFM :) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9795343/
[15:45] <awe_> Wellark, not sure what you meant by scary log messages, both syslogs looks fine to me
[15:45] <mpt> jgdx, what is this “--device krillin” wizardry
[15:45] <awe_> Wellark, when Set3G capability is swapped, the modems are both reset
[15:46] <jgdx> mpt, I guess it makes sense? channels can perhaps be device specific?
[15:46] <mpt> oh crikey
[15:46] <davmor2> channel are device specific
[15:46] <jgdx> there ya go
[15:46] <awe_> mpt, it's because the script couldn't properly detect krillin
[15:46] <awe_> whereas it can detect mako
[15:46] <mpt> Does that mean an image with the same revision number, in the same release, in a channel with the same name, can have different contents depending on what device it’s targeting?
[15:47] <john-mcaleely> mpt, yes
[15:47] <awe_> the tarballs are different
[15:47] <awe_> s/tarballs/device tarballs/
[15:49] <abeato> jgdx, awe_ what I've seen after a couple of iterations is that network-indicator shows one of the SIMs as disconnected while list-modems output looks fine
[15:49] <abeato> jgdx, was that the behaviour you noticed?
[15:49] <jgdx> abeato, correct
[15:49] <jgdx> abeato, but also that FM and wifi in the indicator are broken
[15:50] <awe_> jgdx, but your bug says that both SIMs show as "disconnected"
[15:50] <abeato> jgdx, oh...
[15:50] <abeato> Wellark, ^^
[15:50] <jgdx> awe_, from a indicator pov, yes?
[15:51] <awe_> what do you mean by FM and WiFi are broken?  They show disabled when the should show enabled?
[15:51] <mpt> So unique version identifier = Ubuntu release × device codename × channel × (build number + customization)
[15:51] <abeato> well, in my case it is only one, but probably it can happen for both I guess
[15:51] <abeato> that looks like i-network crash
[15:51] <jgdx> awe_, the switches does not work in that they are reverted after ~two seconds
[15:52] <awe_> ok, would you mind adding that to the bug?
[15:52] <Wellark> is there a crash file?
[15:52] <awe_> I'll discuss during the stand-up, but that said..I'm not feeling very warm & fuzzy about landing this
[15:52] <jgdx> awe_, pretty sure it's there
[15:52] <jgdx> under 4), but you want it mroe verbose?
[15:53] <jgdx> s/mroe/more
[15:53] <awe_> nah, after a second read, it makes sense
[15:54] <Wellark> awe_: scary:
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: We are polling CLCC and received an error
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: All bets are off for call management
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: ril_data_reg_cb: DATA_REGISTRATION_STATE reply failure: GENERIC_FAILURE
[15:54] <Wellark> ofonod[1797]: Unable to read waiting messages numbers from SIM
[15:55] <jgdx> awe_, clarified.
[15:55] <awe_> thanks
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, the request failure happens usually after a modem reset, next requests work fine
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, and the "Unable to read" just means that file is not on the sim
[15:55] <abeato> Wellark, all in all normal messages
[15:55] <Wellark> abeato: ok.
[15:56] <Wellark> they still look scary :)
[15:56] <Wellark> jgdx: when you pasted the syslog
[15:56] <Wellark> did you try the flightmode and wifi switches during that log capture
[15:56] <abeato> yeah, happens to me too ;)
[15:56] <jgdx> Wellark, no
[15:57] <Wellark> and also is there a i-network crash file under /var/crash
[15:57] <Wellark> or is apport running trying to create one
[15:57] <jgdx> Wellark, yea
[15:57] <jgdx> Wellark, uploaded
[15:59] <Wellark> jgdx: can't see..
[16:02] <Wellark> awe_: was there a urfkill helper script jgdx could use to poke urfkill? given that the wlan interface is away and the flightmode and wifi switches in i-network fail to activate, I would love to verify that urfkill has not gotten stuck
[16:03] <bzoltan_> sturmflut-work: that is the safe, but not so cheap solution.
[16:04] <jgdx> Wellark, crash file uploaded
[16:05] <abeato> Wellark, managed to reproduce it on my side too, i-network crash found
[16:05] <abeato> Wellark, jgdx bug to upload it?
[16:05] <jgdx> abeato, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1411714
[16:06] <abeato> jgdx, thanks
[16:07] <Wellark> abeato, jgdx: if i-network crashes, it should restart
[16:07] <Wellark> is everything returning to normal after that restart?
[16:07] <abeato> Wellark, not always apparently
[16:07] <awe_> Wellark, poke urfkill?  You mena like the urfkill scripts that are normally installed in /usr/share/urfkill/scripts?  ;)-
[16:07] <jgdx> mandel, Wellark no
[16:08] <jgdx> mandel, bad tab, sorry. However, how's local testing going?
[16:08] <mandel> jgdx, ah, I was scared by such an imperative 'no'
[16:08] <mandel> jgdx, it does build correctly, will run the tests as soon as I'm done with the meeting (standup)
[16:09] <abeato> Wellark, crash uploaded
[16:10] <jgdx> mandel, I get a thumbs up here. ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_datetime.TimeDateTestCase.test_same_tz_selection does not fail on my krillin using debs from your MR
[16:10] <mandel> \o/
[16:10] <mandel> jgdx, can you test that the downloads are paused?
[16:11] <mandel> jgdx, in rtm, I think using the silo deb would be ok (I'll do a test to)
[16:11] <jgdx> mandel, pauses like a champ
[16:12] <mandel> jgdx, double \o/ \o/
[16:12] <jgdx> mandel, :D
[16:12] <mandel> rsalveti, ^^
[16:12] <mandel> rsalveti, I'll do an extra test in a few mins
[16:13] <rsalveti> mandel: great, let me know and I will switch to request QA
[16:14] <Wellark> jgdx: abeato: when you repro the problem, please try the scripts under /usr/share/urfkill/scripts/ to verify that urfkill also behaves nicely
[16:15] <Wellark> enable/disable flightmode and enable wifi and verify that the wlan interface comes up (with ifconfig)
[16:16] <abeato> Wellark, anyway if you install rtm silo 9 you can reproduce the bug easily by using the "set-3g-slot" ofono script
[16:17] <abeato> switching back and forth 3G capability between /ril_0 and ril_1 makes this happen
[16:19] <Wellark> abeato: but it requires more than couple of switches, right?
[16:21] <awe_> jgdx, I think it's really important we try and reproduce on RTM.  If it's reproducible, then I will NAK the Set3G system-settings landing
[16:22] <awe_> I just did a fresh flash of RTM on my krillin, so will try to reproduce
[16:22] <abeato> Wellark, I've seen it after the third or four
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_1
[16:23] <jgdx> awe_, right. Where can I find debs for rtm?
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_0
[16:23] <abeato> set-3g-slot /ril_1
[16:23] <abeato> got it
[16:23] <Wellark> abeato, jgdx: I would really need a manual retrace of those .crash files. I understand that it's a lot of work though
[16:23] <abeato> jgdx, rtm silo 9
[16:23] <Wellark> so I will flash the silo and repro it myself now
[16:24] <abeato> great
[16:24] <Wellark> abeato, awe_, jgdx: is #1411714 now blocking something?
[16:25] <awe_> yes
[16:25] <Wellark> great.
[16:25] <awe_> I don't want to land the new Set3G system settings change, if the indicator will crash and end-up in an un-usable state
[16:25] <Wellark> awe_: so, this is blocking system-settings landing
[16:26] <Wellark> what is the prio of the system-settings feature bug?
[16:26] <Wellark> High or Critical?
[16:26] <awe_> well... we don't have confirmation yet ( AFAIK ) that it crashes on RTM
[16:26] <awe_> Wellark, I'm not sure... we'd need pmcgowan's call on that
[16:26] <Wellark> abeato: didn't you test on RTM?
[16:26] <awe_> I think it would probably be acceptable to land the change in OTA-1
[16:26] <abeato> Wellark, yes
[16:27] <Wellark> abeato: so you confirmed this on RTM. <-- awe_
[16:27] <abeato> yup
[16:27] <awe_> ok
[16:27] <awe_> I missed that in the noise...
[16:27] <awe_> so yea, in my opinion, we're blocked
[16:28] <Wellark> awe_, abeato, jgdx: I'll start working on a fix right now
[16:29] <Wellark> if I first can figure out what's wrong..
[16:31] <pmcgowan> awe_, what did I miss
[16:35] <mandel> jgdx, can you let me know what revision of rtm did you used to test the ppa? or did you test the deb from the branch?
[16:38] <jgdx> mandel, deb from branch
[16:38] <mandel> jgdx, ack, superb, thx :)
[16:47] <dpm> sergiusens, on the command to create your own image on http://blog.sergiusens.org/posts/Snappy%20Things/, is there somewhere the .snap packages for webdm and the oem part can be downloaded from? Or can they be built from somewhere?
[16:51] <dholbach> balloons, jdstrand, sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/click-reviewers-tools/1395204/+merge/247042 - upon looking a bit closer it turned out that our list of tests was already pretty good :-)
[16:52] <sergiusens> dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-examples/files/head:/beagleboneblack.element14/
[16:54] <sergiusens> dpm: and https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/webdm
[16:56] <sergiusens> dpm: I'll blog about how to build those
[16:56] <dpm> sergiusens, how do I build each one of those? The element14 one does not have a readme
[16:56] <dpm> ok, yeah, that was going to be my question :)
[16:56] <dpm> the webdm one has a readme, but it mentions click instead of snap
[16:58] <dpm> sergiusens, if I build a snap package on my development laptop and I still don't have it in the store, how can I install it manually on a device?
[17:00] <balloons> dholbach, so you think you are good for mult-arch click?
[17:01] <balloons> if so, I just need to get tvoss to finish https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1398104
[17:04] <sergiusens> dpm: with snappy-remote --url ssh://[hostname] install [package]
[17:05] <sergiusens> dpm: we should be talking on #snappy :-)
[17:05] <dpm> great, thanks sergiusens
[17:05] <ogra_> or just snappy install if you are logged in via ssh
[18:14] <boiko> pitti: hi, could you please just check what is going on here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono-phonesim/+bug/1401143
[18:15] <sturmflut-work> bschaefer: Hey! popey and /me tried to use libSDL2 on our Ubuntu Touch devices earlier and hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402753
[18:37] <jamie_> Does anyone know if hostapd is working on Ubunut touch?
[18:38] <jamie_> *Ubuntu!
[18:38] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, yes this is true i need to get this fixed! thank you!
[20:18] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Thanks! Was it already working on the phone/tablet at some point?
[20:29] <SturmFlut> popey, mzanetti: Do you know if the App Store API has been documented and/or extended since I built the RSS feed?
[20:29] <popey> SturmFlut: james tait is the person to ask
[20:29] <popey> he breaks it now and then :)
[20:32] <SturmFlut> popey: Today I came up with the idea that it would be nice to know the most searched keywords in the App Store
[20:33] <popey> have you seen http://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps ?
[20:33] <SturmFlut> popey: Nice!
[20:35] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, yups!
[20:35]  * popey is itching to try out some SDL goodness :)
[20:35]  * SturmFlut too
[20:38] <adrian47> hello, i am porting ut, should i use flipped mode? or android image must be prepared especially first?
[20:39] <popey> our porting guide is horribly out of date
[20:40] <popey> But I hear a rumour it's being re-written!
[20:48] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Does libSDL2 also support OpenGL on Mir?
[20:48] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, only on the desktop!
[20:48] <bschaefer> gles on the phone
[20:49] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, Dota2 working on mir :): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAWVFAIaleQ&feature=youtu.be
[20:52] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Ah, yes, I remember that video.
[21:06] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, now its a matter of waiting :): https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/libsdl/sdl2-needs-rebuild-mir/+merge/247070
[21:07] <SturmFlut> ...and now we play the waiting game...
[21:08] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Thanks a lot. It is 10PM here in Europe anyways, /me should go to sleep
[21:09] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, cya, and thanks for poking me about that! (Slightly forgot!)
[21:09] <bschaefer> have a good night!
[21:24] <taiebot> Any luck that we get the Nearby, today and news scope on the nexus 4 ? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/aggregator-scopes-ubuntu-phone
[21:29] <aquarius> How do I ssh into my phone over the network?
[21:29] <aquarius> (I know I can do it from Ubuntu SDK if it's connected by wire.)
[21:30] <sander^home> which way is recommended to connect an screen and keyboard?
[21:32] <aquarius> specifically, when I *try* to connect by ssh I get "Permission denied (publickey)". But Ubuntu SDK can manage it; which public key is it using?
[21:37] <pmcgowan> aquarius, take a look at what phablet-shell is doing
[21:45] <pmcgowan> aquarius, i disconnected so not sure you saw my suggestion
[21:48] <aquarius> pmcgowan, huh, phablet-shell, eh? Didn't know that existed :)
[21:48] <pmcgowan> aquarius, many good phablet-* commands
[21:49] <aquarius> bah. phablet-shell is doing some sort of adb thing
[21:49] <pmcgowan> I think it has some ssh options like dont check the key
[21:49] <aquarius> ah but your point is: see which key it uses
[21:53] <aquarius> haha, nice one pmcgowan, that solved the problem
[21:53] <aquarius> :)
[21:54] <pmcgowan> aquarius, cool
[21:58] <aquarius> have just discovered, immensely annoyingly, that processes run in the Terminal app get suspended.
[22:07] <SturmFlut> aquarius: All apps get suspended when they lose focus AFAIK
[22:22] <SturmFlut> bschaefer, popey: Okay, couldn't sleep and tried to just "apt-get source libsdl2-dev" and then "sbuild --build=amd64 --host=armhf -d utopic libsdl2_2.0.2+dfsg1-6ubuntu1.dsc" on my development machine to rebuild the package locally
[22:22] <SturmFlut> bschaefer, popey: The resulting library doesn't seem to containt the Mir backend, am I doing it wrong?
[22:23] <chrisc> hi, is anyone working on a app to install a debian chroot?
[22:24] <chrisc> i want to set one up to be able to install additional cli programes
[22:24] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm well it usually picks up the mir back end dynamically
[22:24] <bschaefer> buuut it should be built with it.. are you missing
[22:25] <bschaefer> sudo apt-get build-dep libsdl2 and sudo apt-get install libmirclient-dev?
[22:25] <aquarius> SturmFlut, yeah, I know, but I was hoping that that didn't happen with stuff running in the terminal. It does, it turns out.
[22:27] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: AFAICT sbuild downloads and installs libmircommon-dev:armhf, libmirclient-dev:armhf and libmirclient8:armhf into the schroot before building the package
[22:29] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: But if I copy the resulting libSDL2-2.0.so.0.2.0 over to my device, it never tries to dlopen libmirclient8.so, as opposed to the version form the package in the archive
[22:33] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm what does configure say when its being built?
[22:33] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, urg i think another issue is mir changed from using int ---> MirBool
[22:33] <bschaefer> which is causing issues when attempting to load dlsym
[22:36] <SturmFlut> chrisc: I would say you don't need an app for that. You can log into the device using adb shell or using a similar method, make the image writeable, "apt-get install debootstrap" and then use debootstrap like on any other machine.
[22:39] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9799021/
[22:40] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: configure is called with --enable-video-mir --enable-mir-shared and doesn't seem to complain
[22:40] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, try disable-mir-shared
[22:40] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, i think the types are wrong atm
[22:50] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: So it is probably also broken on the desktop at the moment?
[22:51] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm possibly? I need to take trunk sdl2 mir and move it into the ubuntu version
[22:51] <bschaefer> i've a few fixes in there
[22:52] <popey> :(
[22:57] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Okay, thanks. If you need a tester, just ping me with instructions :)
[22:57] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, alright, thanks!