| maps | yo | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| maps | ;] | 00:09 |
| === maps is now known as mapps | ||
| daftykins | 'lo | 00:16 |
| mapps | hey dude | 00:17 |
| mapps | so my nexus7 issue looks to have been simply a case of the oplug borked | 00:17 |
| mapps | using my dads nexus7 plug i guess any plug with usb would work but its chargin | 00:18 |
| mapps | ;] | 00:18 |
| daftykins | they vary a lot in amp ratings these days | 00:19 |
| mapps | o | 00:20 |
| mapps | i thought all can be used for any device..they donmt even give you the plug most times..just the USB cable | 00:20 |
| daftykins | chap i know is insistent on keeping around all these rubbish old 500mA ones, when most devices want 1.2-2.1A | 00:20 |
| mapps | what were the 500mA ones used for | 00:21 |
| daftykins | earlier smartphones | 00:21 |
| mapps | o | 00:22 |
| daftykins | actually i might be thinking of USB spec there, definitely seen 800mA - 1A though | 00:22 |
| shauno | 500mA used to be the usb standard, so wall-warts were built for 500 because why would you want anything else? | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | i was playing around with an old nicad charger earlier... 60mA trickle charging | 00:25 |
| mapps | hm i got a motorola moto g dual sim phone so i could use ee and gib tel both nano sims..the guide says not to use sim adapters..id planned on using nano -> micro adapters..motoraol site says any damage through using adapters is your own fault --- so guess thats why | 00:25 |
| mapps | and hopefully it would work? | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | of course it will work | 00:26 |
| daftykins | ali1234: haha, weren't all the batteries dead? | 00:26 |
| mapps | ;D | 00:26 |
| mapps | thought so | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | the worst that will happen is it might get stuck in the slot | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | then just remove it carefully ie don't jam a screwdriver in it | 00:26 |
| mapps | yea | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: that's what i'm trying to figure out | 00:26 |
| daftykins | huzzah! | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | nicads only wear out through use though, afaik | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | unlike lithium batteries | 00:27 |
| shauno | usually what they actually mean by that is that they don't support it. if there's any odd behaviour they'll blame your adaptor first | 00:28 |
| shauno | (I mean, they're literally plastic shims. it's hard to go wrong, and if you do, it's your fault) | 00:29 |
| mapps | anyone recommend some good linux like magazine ..read a few of fullcirclemagazine and follow urban penguin video guides..nothing in particular just general | 00:29 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| mapps | ugh feel like hayfever's coming on | 03:50 |
| mapps | but surely not..not tyhe right season for it | 03:50 |
| diddledan | flu | 03:51 |
| mapps | nah it happenms everytime i go to my dads | 03:53 |
| mapps | he reckons its the grass..but seems unlikely] | 03:53 |
| diddledan | he smokes grass? :-p | 03:53 |
| mapps | no:P | 03:54 |
| mapps | the grass in the garden heh | 03:54 |
| * diddledan trollin | 03:57 | |
| mapps | ;] | 03:58 |
| mapps | 2 broke girls..state of affairs then a few hrs sleep probably | 03:58 |
| diddledan | I'm watching leverage | 03:59 |
| mapps | what ep? | 04:01 |
| mapps | i got a bit fedup with leverage tbh | 04:02 |
| diddledan | I'm up to s1e11 - the juror job | 04:02 |
| mapps | In the year 2043, 93.6% has been wiped out by a virus released by "Army of the Twelve Monkeys". James Cole uses a dangerous and untested form of time travel to return to 2015 in an effort to change the fate of the human race. With the help of Cassandra Railly, a virologist, and Jennifer Goines, a math genius with mental issues, Cole will attempt to track down and destroy the source of the | 04:08 |
| mapps | deadly virus. | 04:08 |
| mapps | hm | 04:08 |
| mapps | what to do] | 04:35 |
| diddledan | mapps: was it you asking about linux mags? I subscribe to "linux voice" which started off the back of a kickstarter-esque drive to fund their first year's cycle - they're just entering their second year now. it's the former editorial team that left linux format a while ago | 05:26 |
| mapps | ye | 05:26 |
| mapps | REMEMBER hearing of that..any good? | 05:26 |
| diddledan | they are, yeah - plus their appeal to foss freedoms | 05:27 |
| diddledan | they release their articles within 9 months under creative commons licenses | 05:27 |
| mapps | cool | 05:28 |
| mapps | still not got my nexus7 to turn on..using a diff charger and the backlight comes on..sio id assume its charging? but cant get it to turn on..tried hard reset..power and vol +_ | 05:28 |
| diddledan | grr | 05:29 |
| mapps | i remember reading it takes hours to charge up after a nexus7 is drained down to 0 | 05:29 |
| mapps | but my other charger mnusn';t be workming tried it with my moto g phone..doesnt charge, using my dads nexus7 charger it does...but yea still nothing | 05:29 |
| mapps | dunno whether to keep trying hard reset or leave it plugged in fora few more hours? | 05:30 |
| diddledan | try holding volume up and down along with power button for about 30 seconds | 05:30 |
| mapps | vol down? thought only vol up does anything? | 05:31 |
| diddledan | both volume up and down | 05:31 |
| diddledan | together | 05:31 |
| mapps | loadsa posts about this issue eh] | 05:32 |
| mapps | people say about the battery and connectors coming lose..but surely if that was the case when i plug the charger in the backlight wouldnt come on? | 05:32 |
| diddledan | yeah, I _think_ that the battery is probably a requirement for any power to work | 05:36 |
| mapps | yea but i mean would it come on just due to mains | 05:38 |
| mapps | the backjlight? | 05:38 |
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| knightwise | morning everyone :) | 07:31 |
| diddledan | allo | 07:35 |
| Myrtti_ | time of day | 08:09 |
| === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti | ||
| diddledan | Myrtti: bedtime? | 08:18 |
| Myrtti | nah, crochet time | 08:19 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:37 |
| diddledan | m00 | 09:39 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D | 09:50 |
| diddledan | cheese, gromit? | 09:53 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| brobostigon | good morning boys and girls. | 10:49 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | !ping | 11:02 |
| lubotu3 | pong! | 11:02 |
| popey | yo | 11:06 |
| MartijnVdS | yoyo | 11:06 |
| popey | ahhh, so nice having disks spin down in my server | 11:06 |
| popey | loving it | 11:07 |
| popey | 30s spin up is less fun :) | 11:07 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: doesn't that decrease their lifespan though? if you stop/start them a lot? | 11:07 |
| popey | define " a lot " | 11:07 |
| MartijnVdS | several times an hour? | 11:07 |
| popey | its not that often | 11:08 |
| popey | once every 6 hours if I dont use the server | 11:08 |
| MartijnVdS | sounds reasonable enough :) | 11:08 |
| popey | well, one set of disks wakes every 6 hours to do a backup | 11:08 |
| popey | the other set of disks wakes up once a day to update databases and stuff | 11:08 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793465/ | 11:09 |
| popey | they look like that a _lot_ | 11:09 |
| MartijnVdS | what do you use them for? | 11:10 |
| popey | one set of 4 is for rsnapshot backups | 11:11 |
| popey | of laptop, VPSs, desktop, phone :) | 11:11 |
| popey | the other is a set of 4 as a dumping ground for stuff that i can easily re-get | 11:11 |
| popey | e.g. downloaded stuff like music | 11:11 |
| popey | i destroyed my 12 disk btrfs volume after some of it got corrupted :( | 11:12 |
| MartijnVdS | :( did you figure out the reason for the SATA errors btw? | 11:13 |
| popey | yeah, i think it's the array | 11:26 |
| popey | have taken that out | 11:26 |
| diddledan | :-( | 11:26 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g | ||
| davmor2 | JamesTait: I missed todays announcement but black bomber ftw \o/ | 11:50 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, happy Cheese Lovers' Day. :) | 11:58 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: hence the black bomber comment :) | 11:59 |
| bashrc | black bomber? | 12:00 |
| davmor2 | bashrc: look it up | 12:00 |
| DJones | Heh, there's a major new bridge being built near me across the mersey, just hope it doesn't join to the rest of the road network like this one http://bit.ly/1ztrL8a | 12:04 |
| DJones | Although the kids would love it in snowy weather | 12:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | wow a bridge that was designed to hate cyclists :-) | 12:07 |
| DJones | They'd be ok coming down.... | 12:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | unless there's frost on the ground... | 12:08 |
| davmor2 | bashrc: http://www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/cheese/black-bomber/ one of the best mature Cheddars about | 12:10 |
| bashrc | never heard of it | 12:11 |
| popey | mmmmm cheese | 12:11 |
| popey | http://drool.popey.com | 12:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | how many types of cheeses are there again? :-) | 12:11 |
| diddledan | DJones: err, wtf? is that real? | 12:12 |
| DJones | diddledan: Yep, The Sanpo Bridge | 12:12 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: 4 solid, speadable, cottage and cream | 12:12 |
| diddledan | wow | 12:14 |
| DJones | Looks like its got a cyclepath up the side :) | 12:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | blessed are the cheesemakers... | 12:18 |
| davmor2 | He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy | 12:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | i feel a rewatching of the sacred movie is in order... | 12:55 |
| diddledan | davmor2:!! | 12:55 |
| diddledan | davmor2: all hail brain | 12:55 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: the princess bride? | 12:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | now leaning towards double feature | 12:56 |
| diddledan | lol | 12:57 |
| diddledan | you're all different. you're all individuals. (I'm not!) | 12:57 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: oh you meant the holy grail | 12:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | nobody, and i repeat nobody is to throw anything until i blow this whistle | 12:58 |
| davmor2 | right who was that? | 12:58 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: you're a pervert | 12:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | well he did say jehovah... | 12:58 |
| diddledan | any women present? | 12:58 |
| davmor2 | stone him | 12:58 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| zmoylan-pi | welease woger | 13:03 |
| diddledan | woger the cabin boty | 13:12 |
| diddledan | boy* | 13:12 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| Azelphur | haha wow, #freenode is a mess atm, so much spam and trolls in there xD | 14:20 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: stop joining so many channels then | 14:21 |
| Azelphur | never :P | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: well stop spamming them then ;) | 14:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | you could monitor that channel for ips to block so | 14:21 |
| Azelphur | haha | 14:21 |
| Azelphur | in other news the drivers for my fingerprint scanner on my new laptop work great, as long as you only want to do one scan :P | 14:22 |
| Azelphur | and...the thing to enroll your fingerprint wants to scan your finger 5 times | 14:22 |
| Azelphur | :< | 14:22 |
| * zmoylan-pi scribbles note to bring knife if i want to nick Azelphur's laptop :-P | 14:23 | |
| Azelphur | well, you can't, since I can't train the laptop to recognise my print haha | 14:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll bring it just in case | 14:23 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| * zmoylan-pi also brings the soundtrack for reservoir dogs to pass time | 14:26 | |
| Azelphur | hehe | 14:31 |
| shauno | is there a way to export the build config for your running kernel? | 14:33 |
| shauno | (other than /proc/kconfig, since distros don't seem to use this option) | 14:35 |
| diddledan | shauno: is it not in /boot? | 14:40 |
| diddledan | (I haven't checked but that used to be a common place to store it | 14:41 |
| diddledan | ) | 14:41 |
| diddledan | shauno: I have /boot/config-3.16.0-25-generic | 14:41 |
| shauno | oh aye, that looks just the ticket, cheers | 14:42 |
| diddledan | I assume that's done via the debian packaging thing | 14:43 |
| diddledan | rather than necessarily being standard | 14:43 |
| diddledan | so building your own kernel won't replicate unless you either do it yourself or create a .deb | 14:44 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone hrard of this company, or know of a better option for replacement batteries? http://www.ukbatteryfast.co.uk/acer-aspire-one-aoa150-battery-p-852 | 14:50 |
| popey | i bought one on ebay a while back | 14:50 |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/power_biz from that vendor | 14:51 |
| diddledan | I just heard what has to be almost the worst thing ever: someone wants to eat an after-eight at 2pm! | 14:51 |
| SuperEngineer | thanks popey | 14:52 |
| shauno | oh this is gonna get messy. trying to just grab 3.17 from sid, but it wants to bring a new version of gcc with it .. | 14:54 |
| popey | http://steamleft.com/span/76561198026048912 | 14:54 |
| popey | "It would take you... | 14:54 |
| popey | 2187 continuous hours | 14:54 |
| popey | 91 days,3 hours,49 minutes | 14:54 |
| diddledan | shauno: awesome! | 14:54 |
| popey | of gameplay to complete your Steam library" | 14:54 |
| popey | oops | 14:54 |
| popey | sorry | 14:54 |
| ali1234 | how is that calculated? | 14:55 |
| diddledan | popey: see you in three months | 14:55 |
| popey | no idea | 14:55 |
| ali1234 | how many games do you have? | 14:56 |
| diddledan | ali1234: all of them | 14:57 |
| diddledan | :-p | 14:57 |
| popey | not many | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | about 150 to 200 right? | 14:57 |
| popey | 206 | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | so that's 10 hours per game | 14:57 |
| * popey notes 218 hours clocked up in one gane | 14:58 | |
| popey | *game | 14:58 |
| popey | not doing this right! | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | data on games from http://howlongtobeat.com/ apparently | 14:58 |
| popey | 47 hours on LA Noire# | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | i'd say about 90% of the games i have are rubbish anyway, possibly more | 14:59 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah lots of them are | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | 233 total games, 168 for linux, 25 that i consider "good", and about 50 that i want to play but they either don't work or aren't ported yet | 15:03 |
| MartijnVdS | I've been gaming on my Windows machine.. yay Elite: Dangerous :) | 15:04 |
| shauno | man, this is gonna totally send me into 'grumpy old man' mode. yes|make oldconfig doesn't work anymore :( | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | does anyone else think ubuntu and linux are totally inappropriate for use in robotics? | 15:10 |
| bashrc | not at all | 15:10 |
| bashrc | a few years ago I used ubuntu extensively for robotics | 15:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | gives you a fighting chance if the robot goes rogue :-) | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | how did you get around the slow interrupt handling and lack of real-time? | 15:11 |
| bashrc | In my case I wasn't needing deterministic tasking | 15:12 |
| bashrc | I used ROS | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | also, does anyone else think they're completely inappropriate for IoT as well? | 15:14 |
| ali1234 | is there any hardware that can run ubuntu and uses less than 0.001W? | 15:15 |
| MartijnVdS | 0.001W? that's not a lot | 15:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | devices are getting smaller all the time... http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mousebox-is-a-computer-in-a-mouse-the-next-evolution-of-the-pc-30922506.html | 15:17 |
| ali1234 | it's what you need for IoT if you don't want to be carrying around a huge battery | 15:17 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: my Hue Tap doesn't even have a battery :) | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | mirocontrollers designed for IoT are typically 200 micro amps per MHz | 15:18 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gallery-dissecting-the-philips-hue-tap-wireless-battery-less-controller/ | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | there's no need for anything more | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | right, that uses such little power it can work from the energy of button pushes | 15:19 |
| MartijnVdS | exactly | 15:19 |
| shauno | most the things that are advertising 2-3 year battery life don't require an OS in the first place | 15:20 |
| ali1234 | IoT devices that need replacement batteries or have to be charged every day are just going to end up gathering dust in a cupboard | 15:20 |
| ali1234 | and that definitely includes anything running linux | 15:20 |
| MartijnVdS | unless it can super-suspend somehow and only use power when required | 15:21 |
| MartijnVdS | but not a lot of things do that | 15:21 |
| ali1234 | even if you have things that are plugged in like lightbulbs... well, okay | 15:22 |
| ali1234 | let's say you put an ubuntu computer into every lightbulb in your house | 15:22 |
| ali1234 | that's going to cost you £10 per year per lightbulb in electricity just because of how power hungry linux is | 15:22 |
| shauno | these are things you wouldn't use linux for in the first place though | 15:23 |
| ali1234 | you'd think that | 15:24 |
| * zmoylan-pi looks at all the rasp pi projects out there :-) | 15:24 | |
| ali1234 | http://www.ubuntu.com/things | 15:24 |
| shauno | hah | 15:25 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: on the cloud-side of IoT I would probably run Ubuntu though.. the bit all the devices talk to | 15:26 |
| ali1234 | it's almost as if someone is just desperately trying to jump on every bandwagon without considering any of the technical details at all | 15:26 |
| shauno | I noticed a project recently where a guy had done a rather well-finished build with an rpi making an 'internet radio' | 15:26 |
| shauno | watching him stare at it for 2 minutes while it sat doing SFA while it booted, was excruciating | 15:27 |
| shauno | "simply put the SD card in your Beaglebone, power it on, wait 1-2 minutes and your snappy system" nope. fial. | 15:27 |
| shauno | *fail heh | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | http://spritesmods.com/?art=clockradio&page=1 | 15:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | if he put the finished project in an old valve radio case it would be appropriate :-) | 15:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | 'takes a while for the wireless to warm up', my father words explaining the old valve radio he got as wedding present | 15:28 |
| knightwise | ali1234: shauno are you guys talking about pi-musicbox ? | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | no | 16:09 |
| knightwise | I played with that , its pretty good and might be a good solution if you want to stream internet radio, spotify AND music from your NAs | 16:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | can't you do that on your phone? | 16:12 |
| shauno | I was more commenting that it shouldn't take 2 minutes to boot a radio | 16:12 |
| * zmoylan-pi who grew up with valve radios isn't too pushed by that :-) | 16:13 | |
| shauno | well, we shouldn't be aiming to emulate the 1930s | 16:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | good things come to those who wait :-) | 16:14 |
| shauno | nah | 16:14 |
| shauno | good things come to those who buy into a closed ecosystem, because open suffers from very low standards ;) | 16:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have noticed a few people complain about the amount of time it takes a smart tv to boot | 16:16 |
| knightwise | the whole point of the rasp is that you let it run in the background | 16:19 |
| shauno | the whole point of the pi is to get a cheap computer into schools | 16:21 |
| shauno | it's not really suited for most the tasks we're putting it to. eg, it has absolutely no power management at all | 16:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | there are after market boards that can assist with that | 16:23 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| shauno | there's boards that'll add a soft shutdown. there's not a way to add, eg, a sleep state | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | the raspberry pi is really terrible hardware in almost every way | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | it's in the awkward position where it is neither efficient nor powerful | 16:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | cheap, powerful, flexible. pick one | 16:25 |
| ali1234 | at this point the raspberry pi is none of these things | 16:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | well that's moores law... :-) | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | most people use it like a more expensive arduino | 16:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's an arduino that doesn't need to be connected to a pc to program | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | so it's an arduino? | 16:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | less flexible than an arduino | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | it would be more accurate to say it's like an arduino with a PC permanently connected to it using power | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | a PC from 1993 though | 16:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | no pc i had in 93 did usb or wireless :-) | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | the raspberry pi doesn't do wireless | 16:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | does when i plug in wireless adapter | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | and it does USB about as well as a PC from 1997 | 16:29 |
| shauno | my amiga does wireless if you plug in a wireless adapter | 16:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | well... an amiga... | 16:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | one season of babylon 5 can't be wrong :-) | 16:30 |
| knightwise | Lol | 16:33 |
| zmoylan-pi | the pi is a compromise. and fairly good one. it's captured the mind share of people who ignored all the better single board computers that were already out there | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | yes, entirely through marketing | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | ie the market previously served by arduino | 16:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | same as 8bit computers in 80s so. but a lot of programmers did start on those systems | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64 | 16:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-) | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | lol | 16:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | and i spent days typing in some listings. and i learned from it | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | what did you learn? | 16:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code | 16:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | and save often to tape | 16:39 |
| awilkins_ | Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive | 17:10 |
| awilkins_ | i) Semi-decent keyboard | 17:10 |
| awilkins_ | ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing | 17:11 |
| awilkins_ | You could type "LOAD" instead of J | 17:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | the renumber option for code in the editor | 17:11 |
| * popey <3 his +2 | 17:12 | |
| awilkins_ | The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience | 17:12 |
| awilkins_ | You can't, because YouTube | 17:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though | 17:12 |
| awilkins_ | And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network | 17:13 |
| popey | yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible | 17:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | they've sold 4 million pis. if that's failure... | 17:13 |
| * popey loved his Konix Speed King | 17:13 | |
| awilkins_ | I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket | 17:13 |
| shauno | hah, I have one of those for the amiga (the konix) | 17:13 |
| awilkins_ | <3 Powerplay Cruiser | 17:13 |
| awilkins_ | Never liked the Konix, game me blisters | 17:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2. i ended up using keyboard all the time | 17:14 |
| popey | I used to get great scores on Hyper Sports with it | 17:14 |
| daftykins | is that J loading thing why i keep seeing people post messages and end it with a single line of 'J' online? i think it's J anyway | 17:14 |
| popey | it was good for races, left-right-left-right was easy with very little movement | 17:14 |
| awilkins_ | "J" was the key with "LOAD" on it | 17:14 |
| popey | J pp | 17:14 |
| awilkins_ | Spectrum used to expand single keypresses (and combos) into BASIC tokens | 17:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | j symbol shift p twice | 17:14 |
| shauno | and I'm not saying the pi is a failure. I'm saying linux isn't the answer to everything. especially when they want to shove a generalized distro on there. the more generic you try to make it, the less suited it is for embedded use | 17:15 |
| awilkins_ | Yeah, those old computers just used to boot straight into a BASIC environment | 17:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | and that's why there's so many distros to run on the pi including risc os from bbc archimedes :-) | 17:16 |
| awilkins_ | But the point about instant gratification still holds | 17:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | programmers are different, we will work for days to make something that saves us 5 minutes in the future if we feel it's worth it | 17:22 |
| shauno | it's not just gratification. I was mostly referencing to the 'internet of things' stuff we were talking about before. 2 minutes for my laptop to boot is acceptable. 2 minutes for my lightbulb to boot isn't | 17:23 |
| daftykins | hehe | 17:23 |
| * zmoylan-pi has cfl light bulbs that 2-3 mins to warm up. i pointed it out recently that it's better at night as it's not instant bright light hurting your eyes :-) | 17:24 | |
| daftykins | true that, takes ages to get bright in my bedroom though | 17:24 |
| daftykins | what if i sat on the cat accidentally!? | 17:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | the cat would let me know | 17:25 |
| daftykins | via telegram? :D | 17:25 |
| daftykins | "urgent telegram for zmoylan-pi from dafty's cat!" | 17:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | the worlds most one sided game of x's and o's :-) | 17:26 |
| popey | Myrtti: how often do you "remove all channels" in irssinotifier | 17:51 |
| popey | ? | 17:51 |
| Myrtti | popey: I don't get highlighted often, so not a lot, especially now that I'm not in most Ubuntu channels I used to frequent and thus don't get hilights | 17:54 |
| Myrtti | and even then I've configured it to alert only when I'm away | 17:55 |
| popey | ok | 17:58 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| camason | hi guys. Just booted up an old 13.04 install - trying to update and upgrade, but apt is showing a bunch of 404 errors against security.ubuntu.com raring-security | 18:48 |
| camason | any pointers? | 18:48 |
| popey | it will do | 18:48 |
| popey | 13.04 is out of support | 18:48 |
| awilkins_ | 404 is because the files are not there anymore! | 18:48 |
| camason | makes sense | 18:48 |
| popey | disable the security repo in system settings and upgrade it | 18:49 |
| popey | or reinstall, whatever | 18:49 |
| awilkins_ | From memory there's a "old stuff" repo? | 18:49 |
| awilkins_ | Not sure how much it has in it | 18:49 |
| popey | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ | 18:49 |
| popey | s/stuff/releases/ | 18:49 |
| awilkins_ | Last time I looked was for my very very old MythTV box | 18:49 |
| awilkins_ | I do wonder if the new builds will actually perform better on the hardware | 18:50 |
| awilkins_ | Since they redid it all in Qt4 | 18:50 |
| awilkins_ | For that kind of gap I'd probably back up my /home and reinstall / restore (to a subfolder) | 18:51 |
| camason | I imagine it would be easier now If I just purge this install and start again? | 18:54 |
| daftykins | camason: yeah backup and clean install of 14.04.1 would make far more sense and be time effective | 18:55 |
| mapps | hhi all | 18:55 |
| camason | ok I'll do that. I'll burn 14.04 to the CD as that's still working | 18:55 |
| daftykins | *DVD | 18:57 |
| daftykins | 14.04.1 ;) | 18:57 |
| camason | I was too lazy to type dvd | 18:57 |
| daftykins | hah | 18:57 |
| camason | crazy year for work... thought I'd actually boot my gaming PC to have a session, only to remember that the Windows 7 install was fubar, and ubuntu was on an old non-lts release | 18:58 |
| daftykins | camason: if it were still before Christmas we could get you a flash drive to install from | 18:58 |
| camason | eh? | 18:58 |
| daftykins | as a present | 18:58 |
| camason | nice | 18:59 |
| camason | typical tonight I left all my USB drives at the office | 18:59 |
| camason | I need to do it anyway... TF2 just isn't the same on a Mac | 18:59 |
| daftykins | heh | 19:00 |
| camason | I have a GTX 780 in there I've never used. Been sat there for a year | 19:00 |
| camason | is there a tl:dr anywhere on what's changed in ubuntu since 2013? | 19:01 |
| mapps | ]brrr | 19:03 |
| daftykins | pass. | 19:03 |
| mapps | this weather sucks | 19:03 |
| mapps | i can go to work in shorts and tshirt most days back in gib | 19:03 |
| camason | yeah it sucks a lot. Riding a motorcycle in it is terrible | 19:03 |
| mapps | here im cold:(( | 19:03 |
| mapps | never need a coat there..hjere do | 19:03 |
| mapps | sent a text to my boss saying im staying perm | 19:04 |
| mapps | ;D | 19:04 |
| daftykins | XD | 19:04 |
| daftykins | it's down to 5 deg C here on Guernsey atm | 19:04 |
| mapps | said id decide by 19th jan when i went back to uk] | 19:04 |
| mapps | Gibraltar | 19:04 |
| mapps | Tuesday 20:00 | 19:04 |
| mapps | Mostly Cloudy | 19:04 |
| mapps | undefined | 19:04 |
| mapps | 9°C | °F | 19:04 |
| mapps | Precipitation: 5% | 19:04 |
| mapps | Humidity: 93% | 19:04 |
| mapps | Wind: 6 mph | 19:04 |
| mapps | TemperaturePrecipitationWind | 19:04 |
| mapps | and thats 'cold' for them | 19:04 |
| mapps | never seen it really cold..sometim,es strongish winds from the sea but thats it | 19:05 |
| daftykins | yeah coastal can be a bit blargh | 19:05 |
| mapps | daddy's fixing my iphone screen atm:DDD | 19:05 |
| mapps | and its rained maybe 3-4x since ive been there 4 months | 19:05 |
| daftykins | nasty fruity tech :P | 19:05 |
| mapps | but besides that all good | 19:05 |
| mapps | im getting paid a good wage for being there 8% rise..rent allowance and 2 free flights to uk each year | 19:06 |
| mapps | if i come back to uk..same job but none of that | 19:06 |
| daftykins | 8D | 19:06 |
| daftykins | sounded like you said the place is a bit of a dive though? | 19:06 |
| mapps | hmm | 19:07 |
| mapps | not dive | 19:07 |
| mapps | dead | 19:07 |
| mapps | true | 19:07 |
| mapps | because people only go out fridays..so rest of the week it's very quiet..relaxed..like a retirement/ghost town | 19:07 |
| mapps | no bars/pubs open past 11pm place is EMPTY | 19:07 |
| mapps | but there's also virtually no crime..everyone woiuld know who it is hey..it's so small | 19:07 |
| mapps | and better weather] | 19:07 |
| daftykins | i quite fancy a curry tonight, but there's a heavy downpour right now | 19:15 |
| daftykins | i wouldn't even fancy walking the 60m to my local ;) | 19:15 |
| mapps | no home del? | 19:15 |
| daftykins | well i genuinely am 60m from their door, so i wouldn't try to be so cheeky | 19:16 |
| daftykins | i also take the carrier bag back in from the last time, to recycle :> | 19:16 |
| mapps | ;] | 19:21 |
| daftykins | new stuff look inside it and see nothing, look puzzled for a moment, then realise what i'm going on about :> | 19:23 |
| brobostigon | any ideas why, messages from a contact in bitlbee, would show in the control channel, insted of in a seperate window for said contact? | 19:26 |
| popey | a bug? | 19:27 |
| brobostigon | messages from all my other contacts show in seperate windows as they are meant to, except for from one specific contact. | 19:28 |
| popey | http://imgur.com/z5jwkis :) | 21:51 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 21:55 |
| mjayk | o/ | 22:15 |
| daftykins | hi | 22:15 |
| mjayk | hayhay | 22:16 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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