[00:09] yo [00:09] ;] === maps is now known as mapps [00:16] 'lo [00:17] hey dude [00:17] so my nexus7 issue looks to have been simply a case of the oplug borked [00:18] using my dads nexus7 plug i guess any plug with usb would work but its chargin [00:18] ;] [00:19] they vary a lot in amp ratings these days [00:20] o [00:20] i thought all can be used for any device..they donmt even give you the plug most times..just the USB cable [00:20] chap i know is insistent on keeping around all these rubbish old 500mA ones, when most devices want 1.2-2.1A [00:21] what were the 500mA ones used for [00:21] earlier smartphones [00:22] o [00:22] actually i might be thinking of USB spec there, definitely seen 800mA - 1A though [00:22] 500mA used to be the usb standard, so wall-warts were built for 500 because why would you want anything else? [00:25] i was playing around with an old nicad charger earlier... 60mA trickle charging [00:25] hm i got a motorola moto g dual sim phone so i could use ee and gib tel both nano sims..the guide says not to use sim adapters..id planned on using nano -> micro adapters..motoraol site says any damage through using adapters is your own fault --- so guess thats why [00:25] and hopefully it would work? [00:26] of course it will work [00:26] ali1234: haha, weren't all the batteries dead? [00:26] ;D [00:26] thought so [00:26] the worst that will happen is it might get stuck in the slot [00:26] then just remove it carefully ie don't jam a screwdriver in it [00:26] yea [00:26] daftykins: that's what i'm trying to figure out [00:27] huzzah! [00:27] nicads only wear out through use though, afaik [00:27] unlike lithium batteries [00:28] usually what they actually mean by that is that they don't support it. if there's any odd behaviour they'll blame your adaptor first [00:29] (I mean, they're literally plastic shims. it's hard to go wrong, and if you do, it's your fault) [00:29] anyone recommend some good linux like magazine ..read a few of fullcirclemagazine and follow urban penguin video guides..nothing in particular just general === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [03:50] ugh feel like hayfever's coming on [03:50] but surely not..not tyhe right season for it [03:51] flu [03:53] nah it happenms everytime i go to my dads [03:53] he reckons its the grass..but seems unlikely] [03:53] he smokes grass? :-p [03:54] no:P [03:54] the grass in the garden heh [03:57] * diddledan trollin [03:58] ;] [03:58] 2 broke girls..state of affairs then a few hrs sleep probably [03:59] I'm watching leverage [04:01] what ep? [04:02] i got a bit fedup with leverage tbh [04:02] I'm up to s1e11 - the juror job [04:08] In the year 2043, 93.6% has been wiped out by a virus released by "Army of the Twelve Monkeys". James Cole uses a dangerous and untested form of time travel to return to 2015 in an effort to change the fate of the human race. With the help of Cassandra Railly, a virologist, and Jennifer Goines, a math genius with mental issues, Cole will attempt to track down and destroy the source of the [04:08] deadly virus. [04:08] hm [04:35] what to do] [05:26] mapps: was it you asking about linux mags? I subscribe to "linux voice" which started off the back of a kickstarter-esque drive to fund their first year's cycle - they're just entering their second year now. it's the former editorial team that left linux format a while ago [05:26] ye [05:26] REMEMBER hearing of that..any good? [05:27] they are, yeah - plus their appeal to foss freedoms [05:27] they release their articles within 9 months under creative commons licenses [05:28] cool [05:28] still not got my nexus7 to turn on..using a diff charger and the backlight comes on..sio id assume its charging? but cant get it to turn on..tried hard reset..power and vol +_ [05:29] grr [05:29] i remember reading it takes hours to charge up after a nexus7 is drained down to 0 [05:29] but my other charger mnusn';t be workming tried it with my moto g phone..doesnt charge, using my dads nexus7 charger it does...but yea still nothing [05:30] dunno whether to keep trying hard reset or leave it plugged in fora few more hours? [05:30] try holding volume up and down along with power button for about 30 seconds [05:31] vol down? thought only vol up does anything? [05:31] both volume up and down [05:31] together [05:32] loadsa posts about this issue eh] [05:32] people say about the battery and connectors coming lose..but surely if that was the case when i plug the charger in the backlight wouldnt come on? [05:36] yeah, I _think_ that the battery is probably a requirement for any power to work [05:38] yea but i mean would it come on just due to mains [05:38] the backjlight? === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:31] morning everyone :) [07:35] allo [08:09] time of day === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [08:18] Myrtti: bedtime? [08:19] nah, crochet time === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:37] Good morning peeps :) [09:39] m00 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:50] Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D [09:53] cheese, gromit? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:49] good morning boys and girls. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:02] !ping [11:02] pong! [11:06] yo [11:06] yoyo [11:06] ahhh, so nice having disks spin down in my server [11:07] loving it [11:07] 30s spin up is less fun :) [11:07] popey: doesn't that decrease their lifespan though? if you stop/start them a lot? [11:07] define " a lot " [11:07] several times an hour? [11:08] its not that often [11:08] once every 6 hours if I dont use the server [11:08] sounds reasonable enough :) [11:08] well, one set of disks wakes every 6 hours to do a backup [11:08] the other set of disks wakes up once a day to update databases and stuff [11:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793465/ [11:09] they look like that a _lot_ [11:10] what do you use them for? [11:11] one set of 4 is for rsnapshot backups [11:11] of laptop, VPSs, desktop, phone :) [11:11] the other is a set of 4 as a dumping ground for stuff that i can easily re-get [11:11] e.g. downloaded stuff like music [11:12] i destroyed my 12 disk btrfs volume after some of it got corrupted :( [11:13] :( did you figure out the reason for the SATA errors btw? [11:26] yeah, i think it's the array [11:26] have taken that out [11:26] :-( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:50] JamesTait: I missed todays announcement but black bomber ftw \o/ [11:58] davmor2, happy Cheese Lovers' Day. :) [11:59] JamesTait: hence the black bomber comment :) [12:00] black bomber? [12:00] bashrc: look it up [12:04] Heh, there's a major new bridge being built near me across the mersey, just hope it doesn't join to the rest of the road network like this one http://bit.ly/1ztrL8a [12:05] Although the kids would love it in snowy weather [12:07] wow a bridge that was designed to hate cyclists :-) [12:08] They'd be ok coming down.... [12:08] unless there's frost on the ground... [12:10] bashrc: http://www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/cheese/black-bomber/ one of the best mature Cheddars about [12:11] never heard of it [12:11] mmmmm cheese [12:11] http://drool.popey.com [12:11] how many types of cheeses are there again? :-) [12:12] DJones: err, wtf? is that real? [12:12] diddledan: Yep, The Sanpo Bridge [12:12] zmoylan-pi: 4 solid, speadable, cottage and cream [12:14] wow [12:16] Looks like its got a cyclepath up the side :) [12:18] blessed are the cheesemakers... [12:54] He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy [12:55] i feel a rewatching of the sacred movie is in order... [12:55] davmor2:!! [12:55] davmor2: all hail brain [12:56] zmoylan-pi: the princess bride? [12:56] now leaning towards double feature [12:57] lol [12:57] you're all different. you're all individuals. (I'm not!) [12:57] zmoylan-pi: oh you meant the holy grail [12:58] nobody, and i repeat nobody is to throw anything until i blow this whistle [12:58] right who was that? [12:58] zmoylan-pi: you're a pervert [12:58] well he did say jehovah... [12:58] any women present? [12:58] stone him === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:03] welease woger [13:12] woger the cabin boty [13:12] boy* === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:20] haha wow, #freenode is a mess atm, so much spam and trolls in there xD [14:21] Azelphur: stop joining so many channels then [14:21] never :P [14:21] Azelphur: well stop spamming them then ;) [14:21] you could monitor that channel for ips to block so [14:21] haha [14:22] in other news the drivers for my fingerprint scanner on my new laptop work great, as long as you only want to do one scan :P [14:22] and...the thing to enroll your fingerprint wants to scan your finger 5 times [14:22] :< [14:23] * zmoylan-pi scribbles note to bring knife if i want to nick Azelphur's laptop :-P [14:23] well, you can't, since I can't train the laptop to recognise my print haha [14:23] i'll bring it just in case === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [14:26] * zmoylan-pi also brings the soundtrack for reservoir dogs to pass time [14:31] hehe [14:33] is there a way to export the build config for your running kernel? [14:35] (other than /proc/kconfig, since distros don't seem to use this option) [14:40] shauno: is it not in /boot? [14:41] (I haven't checked but that used to be a common place to store it [14:41] ) [14:41] shauno: I have /boot/config-3.16.0-25-generic [14:42] oh aye, that looks just the ticket, cheers [14:43] I assume that's done via the debian packaging thing [14:43] rather than necessarily being standard [14:44] so building your own kernel won't replicate unless you either do it yourself or create a .deb [14:50] Anyone hrard of this company, or know of a better option for replacement batteries? http://www.ukbatteryfast.co.uk/acer-aspire-one-aoa150-battery-p-852 [14:50] i bought one on ebay a while back [14:51] http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/power_biz from that vendor [14:51] I just heard what has to be almost the worst thing ever: someone wants to eat an after-eight at 2pm! [14:52] thanks popey [14:54] oh this is gonna get messy. trying to just grab 3.17 from sid, but it wants to bring a new version of gcc with it .. [14:54] http://steamleft.com/span/76561198026048912 [14:54] "It would take you... [14:54] 2187 continuous hours [14:54] 91 days,3 hours,49 minutes [14:54] shauno: awesome! [14:54] of gameplay to complete your Steam library" [14:54] oops [14:54] sorry [14:55] how is that calculated? [14:55] popey: see you in three months [14:55] no idea [14:56] how many games do you have? [14:57] ali1234: all of them [14:57] :-p [14:57] not many [14:57] about 150 to 200 right? [14:57] 206 [14:57] so that's 10 hours per game [14:58] * popey notes 218 hours clocked up in one gane [14:58] *game [14:58] not doing this right! [14:58] data on games from http://howlongtobeat.com/ apparently [14:59] 47 hours on LA Noire# [14:59] i'd say about 90% of the games i have are rubbish anyway, possibly more [15:03] yeah lots of them are [15:03] 233 total games, 168 for linux, 25 that i consider "good", and about 50 that i want to play but they either don't work or aren't ported yet [15:04] I've been gaming on my Windows machine.. yay Elite: Dangerous :) [15:09] man, this is gonna totally send me into 'grumpy old man' mode. yes|make oldconfig doesn't work anymore :( [15:10] does anyone else think ubuntu and linux are totally inappropriate for use in robotics? [15:10] not at all [15:10] a few years ago I used ubuntu extensively for robotics [15:10] gives you a fighting chance if the robot goes rogue :-) [15:11] how did you get around the slow interrupt handling and lack of real-time? [15:12] In my case I wasn't needing deterministic tasking [15:12] I used ROS [15:14] also, does anyone else think they're completely inappropriate for IoT as well? [15:15] is there any hardware that can run ubuntu and uses less than 0.001W? [15:16] 0.001W? that's not a lot [15:17] devices are getting smaller all the time... http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mousebox-is-a-computer-in-a-mouse-the-next-evolution-of-the-pc-30922506.html [15:17] it's what you need for IoT if you don't want to be carrying around a huge battery [15:18] ali1234: my Hue Tap doesn't even have a battery :) [15:18] mirocontrollers designed for IoT are typically 200 micro amps per MHz [15:18] ali1234: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gallery-dissecting-the-philips-hue-tap-wireless-battery-less-controller/ [15:18] there's no need for anything more [15:19] right, that uses such little power it can work from the energy of button pushes [15:19] exactly [15:20] most the things that are advertising 2-3 year battery life don't require an OS in the first place [15:20] IoT devices that need replacement batteries or have to be charged every day are just going to end up gathering dust in a cupboard [15:20] and that definitely includes anything running linux [15:21] unless it can super-suspend somehow and only use power when required [15:21] but not a lot of things do that [15:22] even if you have things that are plugged in like lightbulbs... well, okay [15:22] let's say you put an ubuntu computer into every lightbulb in your house [15:22] that's going to cost you £10 per year per lightbulb in electricity just because of how power hungry linux is [15:23] these are things you wouldn't use linux for in the first place though [15:24] you'd think that [15:24] * zmoylan-pi looks at all the rasp pi projects out there :-) [15:24] http://www.ubuntu.com/things [15:25] hah [15:26] ali1234: on the cloud-side of IoT I would probably run Ubuntu though.. the bit all the devices talk to [15:26] it's almost as if someone is just desperately trying to jump on every bandwagon without considering any of the technical details at all [15:26] I noticed a project recently where a guy had done a rather well-finished build with an rpi making an 'internet radio' [15:27] watching him stare at it for 2 minutes while it sat doing SFA while it booted, was excruciating [15:27] "simply put the SD card in your Beaglebone, power it on, wait 1-2 minutes and your snappy system" nope. fial. [15:27] *fail heh [15:27] http://spritesmods.com/?art=clockradio&page=1 [15:27] if he put the finished project in an old valve radio case it would be appropriate :-) [15:28] 'takes a while for the wireless to warm up', my father words explaining the old valve radio he got as wedding present [16:09] ali1234: shauno are you guys talking about pi-musicbox ? [16:09] no [16:10] I played with that , its pretty good and might be a good solution if you want to stream internet radio, spotify AND music from your NAs [16:12] can't you do that on your phone? [16:12] I was more commenting that it shouldn't take 2 minutes to boot a radio [16:13] * zmoylan-pi who grew up with valve radios isn't too pushed by that :-) [16:13] well, we shouldn't be aiming to emulate the 1930s [16:14] good things come to those who wait :-) [16:14] nah [16:15] good things come to those who buy into a closed ecosystem, because open suffers from very low standards ;) [16:16] i have noticed a few people complain about the amount of time it takes a smart tv to boot [16:19] the whole point of the rasp is that you let it run in the background [16:21] the whole point of the pi is to get a cheap computer into schools [16:21] it's not really suited for most the tasks we're putting it to. eg, it has absolutely no power management at all [16:23] there are after market boards that can assist with that === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:23] there's boards that'll add a soft shutdown. there's not a way to add, eg, a sleep state [16:24] the raspberry pi is really terrible hardware in almost every way [16:25] it's in the awkward position where it is neither efficient nor powerful [16:25] cheap, powerful, flexible. pick one [16:25] at this point the raspberry pi is none of these things [16:26] well that's moores law... :-) [16:26] most people use it like a more expensive arduino [16:26] it's an arduino that doesn't need to be connected to a pc to program [16:26] so it's an arduino? [16:27] less flexible than an arduino [16:28] it would be more accurate to say it's like an arduino with a PC permanently connected to it using power [16:28] a PC from 1993 though [16:29] no pc i had in 93 did usb or wireless :-) [16:29] the raspberry pi doesn't do wireless [16:29] does when i plug in wireless adapter [16:29] and it does USB about as well as a PC from 1997 [16:29] my amiga does wireless if you plug in a wireless adapter [16:29] well... an amiga... [16:30] one season of babylon 5 can't be wrong :-) [16:33] Lol [16:34] the pi is a compromise. and fairly good one. it's captured the mind share of people who ignored all the better single board computers that were already out there [16:35] yes, entirely through marketing [16:35] it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything [16:35] ie the market previously served by arduino [16:36] same as 8bit computers in 80s so. but a lot of programmers did start on those systems [16:36] and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64 [16:37] i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-) [16:37] lol [16:37] and i spent days typing in some listings. and i learned from it [16:38] what did you learn? [16:38] 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code [16:39] and save often to tape [17:10] Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive [17:10] i) Semi-decent keyboard [17:11] ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing [17:11] You could type "LOAD" instead of J [17:11] the renumber option for code in the editor [17:12] * popey <3 his +2 [17:12] The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience [17:12] You can't, because YouTube [17:12] i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though [17:13] And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network [17:13] yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible [17:13] they've sold 4 million pis. if that's failure... [17:13] * popey loved his Konix Speed King [17:13] I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket [17:13] hah, I have one of those for the amiga (the konix) [17:13] <3 Powerplay Cruiser [17:14] Never liked the Konix, game me blisters [17:14] i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2. i ended up using keyboard all the time [17:14] I used to get great scores on Hyper Sports with it [17:14] is that J loading thing why i keep seeing people post messages and end it with a single line of 'J' online? i think it's J anyway [17:14] it was good for races, left-right-left-right was easy with very little movement [17:14] "J" was the key with "LOAD" on it [17:14] J pp [17:14] Spectrum used to expand single keypresses (and combos) into BASIC tokens [17:14] j symbol shift p twice [17:15] and I'm not saying the pi is a failure. I'm saying linux isn't the answer to everything. especially when they want to shove a generalized distro on there. the more generic you try to make it, the less suited it is for embedded use [17:16] Yeah, those old computers just used to boot straight into a BASIC environment [17:16] and that's why there's so many distros to run on the pi including risc os from bbc archimedes :-) [17:21] But the point about instant gratification still holds [17:22] programmers are different, we will work for days to make something that saves us 5 minutes in the future if we feel it's worth it [17:23] it's not just gratification. I was mostly referencing to the 'internet of things' stuff we were talking about before. 2 minutes for my laptop to boot is acceptable. 2 minutes for my lightbulb to boot isn't [17:23] hehe [17:24] * zmoylan-pi has cfl light bulbs that 2-3 mins to warm up. i pointed it out recently that it's better at night as it's not instant bright light hurting your eyes :-) [17:24] true that, takes ages to get bright in my bedroom though [17:24] what if i sat on the cat accidentally!? [17:25] the cat would let me know [17:25] via telegram? :D [17:25] "urgent telegram for zmoylan-pi from dafty's cat!" [17:26] the worlds most one sided game of x's and o's :-) [17:51] Myrtti: how often do you "remove all channels" in irssinotifier [17:51] ? [17:54] popey: I don't get highlighted often, so not a lot, especially now that I'm not in most Ubuntu channels I used to frequent and thus don't get hilights [17:55] and even then I've configured it to alert only when I'm away [17:58] ok === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:48] hi guys. Just booted up an old 13.04 install - trying to update and upgrade, but apt is showing a bunch of 404 errors against security.ubuntu.com raring-security [18:48] any pointers? [18:48] it will do [18:48] 13.04 is out of support [18:48] 404 is because the files are not there anymore! [18:48] makes sense [18:49] disable the security repo in system settings and upgrade it [18:49] or reinstall, whatever [18:49] From memory there's a "old stuff" repo? [18:49] Not sure how much it has in it [18:49] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ [18:49] s/stuff/releases/ [18:49] Last time I looked was for my very very old MythTV box [18:50] I do wonder if the new builds will actually perform better on the hardware [18:50] Since they redid it all in Qt4 [18:51] For that kind of gap I'd probably back up my /home and reinstall / restore (to a subfolder) [18:54] I imagine it would be easier now If I just purge this install and start again? [18:55] camason: yeah backup and clean install of 14.04.1 would make far more sense and be time effective [18:55] hhi all [18:55] ok I'll do that. I'll burn 14.04 to the CD as that's still working [18:57] *DVD [18:57] 14.04.1 ;) [18:57] I was too lazy to type dvd [18:57] hah [18:58] crazy year for work... thought I'd actually boot my gaming PC to have a session, only to remember that the Windows 7 install was fubar, and ubuntu was on an old non-lts release [18:58] camason: if it were still before Christmas we could get you a flash drive to install from [18:58] eh? [18:58] as a present [18:59] nice [18:59] typical tonight I left all my USB drives at the office [18:59] I need to do it anyway... TF2 just isn't the same on a Mac [19:00] heh [19:00] I have a GTX 780 in there I've never used. Been sat there for a year [19:01] is there a tl:dr anywhere on what's changed in ubuntu since 2013? [19:03] ]brrr [19:03] pass. [19:03] this weather sucks [19:03] i can go to work in shorts and tshirt most days back in gib [19:03] yeah it sucks a lot. Riding a motorcycle in it is terrible [19:03] here im cold:(( [19:03] never need a coat there..hjere do [19:04] sent a text to my boss saying im staying perm [19:04] ;D [19:04] XD [19:04] it's down to 5 deg C here on Guernsey atm [19:04] said id decide by 19th jan when i went back to uk] [19:04] Gibraltar [19:04] Tuesday 20:00 [19:04] Mostly Cloudy [19:04] undefined [19:04] 9°C | °F [19:04] Precipitation: 5% [19:04] Humidity: 93% [19:04] Wind: 6 mph [19:04] TemperaturePrecipitationWind [19:04] and thats 'cold' for them [19:05] never seen it really cold..sometim,es strongish winds from the sea but thats it [19:05] yeah coastal can be a bit blargh [19:05] daddy's fixing my iphone screen atm:DDD [19:05] and its rained maybe 3-4x since ive been there 4 months [19:05] nasty fruity tech :P [19:05] but besides that all good [19:06] im getting paid a good wage for being there 8% rise..rent allowance and 2 free flights to uk each year [19:06] if i come back to uk..same job but none of that [19:06] 8D [19:06] sounded like you said the place is a bit of a dive though? [19:07] hmm [19:07] not dive [19:07] dead [19:07] true [19:07] because people only go out fridays..so rest of the week it's very quiet..relaxed..like a retirement/ghost town [19:07] no bars/pubs open past 11pm place is EMPTY [19:07]