[00:09] <maps> yo
[00:09] <maps> ;]
[00:16] <daftykins> 'lo
[00:17] <mapps> hey dude
[00:17] <mapps> so my nexus7 issue looks to have been simply a case of the oplug borked
[00:18] <mapps> using my dads nexus7 plug i guess any plug with usb would work but its chargin
[00:18] <mapps> ;]
[00:19] <daftykins> they vary a lot in amp ratings these days
[00:20] <mapps> o
[00:20] <mapps> i thought all can be used for any device..they donmt even give you the plug most times..just the USB cable
[00:20] <daftykins> chap i know is insistent on keeping around all these rubbish old 500mA ones, when most devices want 1.2-2.1A
[00:21] <mapps> what were the 500mA ones used for
[00:21] <daftykins> earlier smartphones
[00:22] <mapps> o
[00:22] <daftykins> actually i might be thinking of USB spec there, definitely seen 800mA - 1A though
[00:22] <shauno> 500mA used to be the usb standard, so wall-warts were built for 500 because why would you want anything else?
[00:25] <ali1234> i was playing around with an old nicad charger earlier... 60mA trickle charging
[00:25] <mapps> hm i got a motorola moto g dual sim phone so i could use ee and gib tel both nano sims..the guide says not to use sim adapters..id planned on using nano -> micro adapters..motoraol site says any damage through using adapters is your own fault --- so guess thats why
[00:25] <mapps> and hopefully it would work?
[00:26] <ali1234> of course it will work
[00:26] <daftykins> ali1234: haha, weren't all the batteries dead?
[00:26] <mapps> ;D
[00:26] <mapps> thought so
[00:26] <ali1234> the worst that will happen is it might get stuck in the slot
[00:26] <ali1234> then just remove it carefully ie don't jam a screwdriver in it
[00:26] <mapps> yea
[00:26] <ali1234> daftykins: that's what i'm trying to figure out
[00:27] <daftykins> huzzah!
[00:27] <ali1234> nicads only wear out through use though, afaik
[00:27] <ali1234> unlike lithium batteries
[00:28] <shauno> usually what they actually mean by that is that they don't support it.  if there's any odd behaviour they'll blame your adaptor first
[00:29] <shauno> (I mean, they're literally plastic shims.  it's hard to go wrong, and if you do, it's your fault)
[00:29] <mapps> anyone recommend some good linux like magazine ..read a few of fullcirclemagazine and follow urban penguin video guides..nothing in particular just general
[03:50] <mapps> ugh feel like hayfever's coming on
[03:50] <mapps> but surely not..not tyhe right season for it
[03:51] <diddledan> flu
[03:53] <mapps> nah it happenms everytime i go to my dads
[03:53] <mapps> he reckons its the grass..but seems unlikely]
[03:53] <diddledan> he smokes grass? :-p
[03:54] <mapps> no:P
[03:54] <mapps> the grass in the garden heh
[03:57]  * diddledan trollin
[03:58] <mapps> ;]
[03:58] <mapps> 2 broke girls..state of affairs then a few hrs sleep probably
[03:59] <diddledan> I'm watching leverage
[04:01] <mapps> what ep?
[04:02] <mapps> i got a bit fedup with leverage tbh
[04:02] <diddledan> I'm up to s1e11 - the juror job
[04:08] <mapps> In the year 2043, 93.6% has been wiped out by a virus released by "Army of the Twelve Monkeys". James Cole uses a dangerous and untested form of time travel to return to 2015 in an effort to change the fate of the human race. With the help of Cassandra Railly, a virologist, and Jennifer Goines, a math genius with mental issues, Cole will attempt to track down and destroy the source of the
[04:08] <mapps> deadly virus.
[04:08] <mapps> hm
[04:35] <mapps> what to do]
[05:26] <diddledan> mapps: was it you asking about linux mags? I subscribe to "linux voice" which started off the back of a kickstarter-esque drive to fund their first year's cycle - they're just entering their second year now. it's the former editorial team that left linux format a while ago
[05:26] <mapps> ye
[05:26] <mapps> REMEMBER hearing of that..any good?
[05:27] <diddledan> they are, yeah - plus their appeal to foss freedoms
[05:27] <diddledan> they release their articles within 9 months under creative commons licenses
[05:28] <mapps> cool
[05:28] <mapps> still not got my nexus7 to turn on..using a diff charger and the backlight comes on..sio id assume its charging? but cant get it to turn on..tried hard reset..power and vol +_
[05:29] <diddledan> grr
[05:29] <mapps> i remember reading it takes hours to charge up after a nexus7 is drained down to 0
[05:29] <mapps> but my other charger mnusn';t be workming tried it with my moto g phone..doesnt charge, using my dads nexus7 charger it does...but yea still nothing
[05:30] <mapps> dunno whether to keep trying hard reset or leave it plugged in fora few more hours?
[05:30] <diddledan> try holding volume up and down along with power button for about 30 seconds
[05:31] <mapps> vol down? thought only vol up does anything?
[05:31] <diddledan> both volume up and down
[05:31] <diddledan> together
[05:32] <mapps> loadsa posts about this issue eh]
[05:32] <mapps> people say about the battery and connectors coming lose..but surely if that was the case when i plug the charger in the backlight wouldnt come on?
[05:36] <diddledan> yeah, I _think_ that the battery is probably a requirement for any power to work
[05:38] <mapps> yea but i mean would it come on just due to mains
[05:38] <mapps> the backjlight?
[07:31] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[07:35] <diddledan> allo
[08:09] <Myrtti_> time of day
[08:18] <diddledan> Myrtti: bedtime?
[08:19] <Myrtti> nah, crochet time
[09:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:39] <diddledan> m00
[09:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
[09:53] <diddledan> cheese, gromit?
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[11:02] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:06] <popey> yo
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> yoyo
[11:06] <popey> ahhh, so nice having disks spin down in my server
[11:07] <popey> loving it
[11:07] <popey> 30s spin up is less fun :)
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: doesn't that decrease their lifespan though? if you stop/start them a lot?
[11:07] <popey> define " a lot "
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> several times an hour?
[11:08] <popey> its not that often
[11:08] <popey> once every 6 hours if I dont use the server
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> sounds reasonable enough :)
[11:08] <popey> well, one set of disks wakes every 6 hours to do a backup
[11:08] <popey> the other set of disks wakes up once a day to update databases and stuff
[11:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793465/
[11:09] <popey> they look like that a _lot_
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> what do you use them for?
[11:11] <popey> one set of 4 is for rsnapshot backups
[11:11] <popey> of laptop, VPSs, desktop, phone :)
[11:11] <popey> the other is a set of 4 as a dumping ground for stuff that i can easily re-get
[11:11] <popey> e.g. downloaded stuff like music
[11:12] <popey> i destroyed my 12 disk btrfs volume after some of it got corrupted :(
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> :( did you figure out the reason for the SATA errors btw?
[11:26] <popey> yeah, i think it's the array
[11:26] <popey> have taken that out
[11:26] <diddledan> :-(
[11:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: I missed todays announcement but black bomber ftw \o/
[11:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, happy Cheese Lovers' Day. :)
[11:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: hence the black bomber comment :)
[12:00] <bashrc> black bomber?
[12:00] <davmor2> bashrc: look it up
[12:04] <DJones> Heh, there's a major new bridge being built near me across the mersey, just hope it doesn't join to the rest of the road network like this one http://bit.ly/1ztrL8a
[12:05] <DJones> Although the kids would love it in snowy weather
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> wow a bridge that was designed to hate cyclists :-)
[12:08] <DJones> They'd be ok coming down....
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> unless there's frost on the ground...
[12:10] <davmor2> bashrc: http://www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/cheese/black-bomber/ one of the best mature Cheddars about
[12:11] <bashrc> never heard of it
[12:11] <popey> mmmmm cheese
[12:11] <popey> http://drool.popey.com
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> how many types of cheeses are there again? :-)
[12:12] <diddledan> DJones: err, wtf? is that real?
[12:12] <DJones> diddledan: Yep, The Sanpo Bridge
[12:12] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: 4 solid, speadable, cottage and cream
[12:14] <diddledan> wow
[12:16] <DJones> Looks like its got a cyclepath up the side :)
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers...
[12:54] <davmor2> He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> i feel a rewatching of the sacred movie is in order...
[12:55] <diddledan> davmor2:!!
[12:55] <diddledan> davmor2: all hail brain
[12:56] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the princess bride?
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> now leaning towards double feature
[12:57] <diddledan> lol
[12:57] <diddledan> you're all different. you're all individuals. (I'm not!)
[12:57] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: oh you meant the holy grail
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> nobody, and i repeat nobody is to throw anything until i blow this whistle
[12:58] <davmor2> right who was that?
[12:58] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you're a pervert
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> well he did say jehovah...
[12:58] <diddledan> any women present?
[12:58] <davmor2> stone him
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> welease woger
[13:12] <diddledan> woger the cabin boty
[13:12] <diddledan> boy*
[14:20] <Azelphur> haha wow, #freenode is a mess atm, so much spam and trolls in there xD
[14:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: stop joining so many channels then
[14:21] <Azelphur> never :P
[14:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: well stop spamming them then ;)
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> you could monitor that channel for ips to block so
[14:21] <Azelphur> haha
[14:22] <Azelphur> in other news the drivers for my fingerprint scanner on my new laptop work great, as long as you only want to do one scan :P
[14:22] <Azelphur> and...the thing to enroll your fingerprint wants to scan your finger 5 times
[14:22] <Azelphur> :<
[14:23]  * zmoylan-pi scribbles note to bring knife if i want to nick Azelphur's laptop :-P
[14:23] <Azelphur> well, you can't, since I can't train the laptop to recognise my print haha
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> i'll bring it just in case
[14:26]  * zmoylan-pi also brings the soundtrack for reservoir dogs to pass time
[14:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:33] <shauno> is there a way to export the build config for your running kernel?
[14:35] <shauno> (other than /proc/kconfig, since distros don't seem to use this option)
[14:40] <diddledan> shauno: is it not in /boot?
[14:41] <diddledan> (I haven't checked but that used to be a common place to store it
[14:41] <diddledan> )
[14:41] <diddledan> shauno: I have /boot/config-3.16.0-25-generic
[14:42] <shauno> oh aye, that looks just the ticket, cheers
[14:43] <diddledan> I assume that's done via the debian packaging thing
[14:43] <diddledan> rather than necessarily being standard
[14:44] <diddledan> so building your own kernel won't replicate unless you either do it yourself or create a .deb
[14:50] <SuperEngineer> Anyone hrard of this company, or know of a better option for replacement batteries? http://www.ukbatteryfast.co.uk/acer-aspire-one-aoa150-battery-p-852
[14:50] <popey> i bought one on ebay a while back
[14:51] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/power_biz from that vendor
[14:51] <diddledan> I just heard what has to be almost the worst thing ever: someone wants to eat an after-eight at 2pm!
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> thanks popey
[14:54] <shauno> oh this is gonna get messy.  trying to just grab 3.17 from sid, but it wants to bring a new version of gcc with it ..
[14:54] <popey> http://steamleft.com/span/76561198026048912
[14:54] <popey> "It would take you...
[14:54] <popey> 2187 continuous hours
[14:54] <popey> 91 days,3 hours,49 minutes
[14:54] <diddledan> shauno: awesome!
[14:54] <popey> of gameplay to complete your Steam library"
[14:54] <popey> oops
[14:54] <popey> sorry
[14:55] <ali1234> how is that calculated?
[14:55] <diddledan> popey: see you in three months
[14:55] <popey> no idea
[14:56] <ali1234> how many games do you have?
[14:57] <diddledan> ali1234: all of them
[14:57] <diddledan> :-p
[14:57] <popey> not many
[14:57] <ali1234> about 150 to 200 right?
[14:57] <popey> 206
[14:57] <ali1234> so that's 10 hours per game
[14:58]  * popey notes 218 hours clocked up in one gane
[14:58] <popey> *game
[14:58] <popey> not doing this right!
[14:58] <ali1234> data on games from http://howlongtobeat.com/ apparently
[14:59] <popey> 47 hours on LA Noire#
[14:59] <ali1234> i'd say about 90% of the games i have are rubbish anyway, possibly more
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> yeah lots of them are
[15:03] <ali1234> 233 total games, 168 for linux, 25 that i consider "good", and about 50 that i want to play but they either don't work or aren't ported yet
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> I've been gaming on my Windows machine.. yay Elite: Dangerous :)
[15:09] <shauno> man, this is gonna totally send me into 'grumpy old man' mode.  yes|make oldconfig doesn't work anymore :(
[15:10] <ali1234> does anyone else think ubuntu and linux are totally inappropriate for use in robotics?
[15:10] <bashrc> not at all
[15:10] <bashrc> a few years ago I used ubuntu extensively for robotics
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> gives you a fighting chance if the robot goes rogue :-)
[15:11] <ali1234> how did you get around the slow interrupt handling and lack of real-time?
[15:12] <bashrc> In my case I wasn't needing deterministic tasking
[15:12] <bashrc> I used ROS
[15:14] <ali1234> also, does anyone else think they're completely inappropriate for IoT as well?
[15:15] <ali1234> is there any hardware that can run ubuntu and uses less than 0.001W?
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> 0.001W? that's not a lot
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> devices are getting smaller all the time... http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mousebox-is-a-computer-in-a-mouse-the-next-evolution-of-the-pc-30922506.html
[15:17] <ali1234> it's what you need for IoT if you don't want to be carrying around a huge battery
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: my Hue Tap doesn't even have a battery :)
[15:18] <ali1234> mirocontrollers designed for IoT are typically 200 micro amps per MHz
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gallery-dissecting-the-philips-hue-tap-wireless-battery-less-controller/
[15:18] <ali1234> there's no need for anything more
[15:19] <ali1234> right, that uses such little power it can work from the energy of button pushes
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[15:20] <shauno> most the things that are advertising 2-3 year battery life don't require an OS in the first place
[15:20] <ali1234> IoT devices that need replacement batteries or have to be charged every day are just going to end up gathering dust in a cupboard
[15:20] <ali1234> and that definitely includes anything running linux
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> unless it can super-suspend somehow and only use power when required
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> but not a lot of things do that
[15:22] <ali1234> even if you have things that are plugged in like lightbulbs... well, okay
[15:22] <ali1234> let's say you put an ubuntu computer into every lightbulb in your house
[15:22] <ali1234> that's going to cost you £10 per year per lightbulb in electricity just because of how power hungry linux is
[15:23] <shauno> these are things you wouldn't use linux for in the first place though
[15:24] <ali1234> you'd think that
[15:24]  * zmoylan-pi looks at all the rasp pi projects out there :-)
[15:24] <ali1234> http://www.ubuntu.com/things
[15:25] <shauno> hah
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: on the cloud-side of IoT I would probably run Ubuntu though.. the bit all the devices talk to
[15:26] <ali1234> it's almost as if someone is just desperately trying to jump on every bandwagon without considering any of the technical details at all
[15:26] <shauno> I noticed a project recently where a guy had done a rather well-finished build with an rpi making an 'internet radio'
[15:27] <shauno> watching him stare at it for 2 minutes while it sat doing SFA while it booted, was excruciating
[15:27] <shauno> "simply put the SD card in your Beaglebone, power it on, wait 1-2 minutes and your snappy system"  nope.  fial.
[15:27] <shauno> *fail  heh
[15:27] <ali1234> http://spritesmods.com/?art=clockradio&page=1
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> if he put the finished project in an old valve radio case it would be appropriate :-)
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> 'takes a while for the wireless to warm up', my father words explaining the old valve radio he got as wedding present
[16:09] <knightwise> ali1234: shauno are you guys talking about pi-musicbox ?
[16:09] <ali1234> no
[16:10] <knightwise> I played with that , its pretty good and might be a good solution if you want to stream internet radio, spotify AND music from your NAs
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> can't you do that on your phone?
[16:12] <shauno> I was more commenting that it shouldn't take 2 minutes to boot a radio
[16:13]  * zmoylan-pi who grew up with valve radios isn't too pushed by that :-)
[16:13] <shauno> well, we shouldn't be aiming to emulate the 1930s
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> good things come to those who wait :-)
[16:14] <shauno> nah
[16:15] <shauno> good things come to those who buy into a closed ecosystem, because open suffers from very low standards ;)
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> i have noticed a few people complain about the amount of time it takes a smart tv to boot
[16:19] <knightwise> the whole point of the rasp is that you let it run in the background
[16:21] <shauno> the whole point of the pi is to get a cheap computer into schools
[16:21] <shauno> it's not really suited for most the tasks we're putting it to.  eg, it has absolutely no power management at all
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> there are after market boards that can assist with that
[16:23] <shauno> there's boards that'll add a soft shutdown.  there's not a way to add, eg, a sleep state
[16:24] <ali1234> the raspberry pi is really terrible hardware in almost every way
[16:25] <ali1234> it's in the awkward position where it is neither efficient nor powerful
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> cheap, powerful, flexible. pick one
[16:25] <ali1234> at this point the raspberry pi is none of these things
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> well that's moores law... :-)
[16:26] <ali1234> most people use it like a more expensive arduino
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's an arduino that doesn't need to be connected to a pc to program
[16:26] <ali1234> so it's an arduino?
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> less flexible than an arduino
[16:28] <ali1234> it would be more accurate to say it's like an arduino with a PC permanently connected to it using power
[16:28] <ali1234> a PC from 1993 though
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> no pc i had in 93 did usb or wireless :-)
[16:29] <ali1234> the raspberry pi doesn't do wireless
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> does when i plug in wireless adapter
[16:29] <ali1234> and it does USB about as well as a PC from 1997
[16:29] <shauno> my amiga does wireless if you plug in a wireless adapter
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> well... an amiga...
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> one season of babylon 5 can't be wrong :-)
[16:33] <knightwise> Lol
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is a compromise.  and fairly good one.  it's captured the mind share of people who ignored all the better single board computers that were already out there
[16:35] <ali1234> yes, entirely through marketing
[16:35] <ali1234> it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything
[16:35] <ali1234> ie the market previously served by arduino
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> same as 8bit computers in 80s so.  but a lot of programmers did start on those systems
[16:36] <ali1234> and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-)
[16:37] <ali1234> lol
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> and i spent days typing in some listings.  and i learned from it
[16:38] <ali1234> what did you learn?
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> and save often to tape
[17:10] <awilkins_> Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive
[17:10] <awilkins_> i) Semi-decent keyboard
[17:11] <awilkins_> ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing
[17:11] <awilkins_> You could type "LOAD" instead of J
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> the renumber option for code in the editor
[17:12]  * popey <3 his +2
[17:12] <awilkins_> The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience
[17:12] <awilkins_> You can't, because YouTube
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though
[17:13] <awilkins_> And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network
[17:13] <popey> yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4 million pis.  if that's failure...
[17:13]  * popey loved his Konix Speed King
[17:13] <awilkins_> I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket
[17:13] <shauno> hah, I have one of those for the amiga  (the konix)
[17:13] <awilkins_> <3 Powerplay Cruiser
[17:14] <awilkins_> Never liked the Konix, game me blisters
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2.  i ended up using keyboard all the time
[17:14] <popey> I used to get great scores on Hyper Sports with it
[17:14] <daftykins> is that J loading thing why i keep seeing people post messages and end it with a single line of 'J' online? i think it's J anyway
[17:14] <popey> it was good for races, left-right-left-right was easy with very little movement
[17:14] <awilkins_> "J" was the key with "LOAD" on it
[17:14] <popey> J pp
[17:14] <awilkins_> Spectrum used to expand single keypresses (and combos) into BASIC tokens
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> j symbol shift p twice
[17:15] <shauno> and I'm not saying the pi is a failure.  I'm saying linux isn't the answer to everything.  especially when they want to shove a generalized distro on there.  the more generic you try to make it, the less suited it is for embedded use
[17:16] <awilkins_> Yeah, those old computers just used to boot straight into a BASIC environment
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> and that's why there's so many distros to run on the pi including risc os from bbc archimedes :-)
[17:21] <awilkins_> But the point about instant gratification still holds
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> programmers are different, we will work for days to make something that saves us 5 minutes in the future if we feel it's worth it
[17:23] <shauno> it's not just gratification.  I was mostly referencing to the 'internet of things' stuff we were talking about before.  2 minutes for my laptop to boot is acceptable.  2 minutes for my lightbulb to boot isn't
[17:23] <daftykins> hehe
[17:24]  * zmoylan-pi has cfl light bulbs that 2-3 mins to warm up. i pointed it out recently that it's better at night as it's not instant bright light hurting your eyes :-)
[17:24] <daftykins> true that, takes ages to get bright in my bedroom though
[17:24] <daftykins> what if i sat on the cat accidentally!?
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> the cat would let me know
[17:25] <daftykins> via telegram? :D
[17:25] <daftykins> "urgent telegram for zmoylan-pi from dafty's cat!"
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> the worlds most one sided game of x's and o's :-)
[17:51] <popey> Myrtti: how often do you "remove all channels" in irssinotifier
[17:51] <popey> ?
[17:54] <Myrtti> popey: I don't get highlighted often, so not a lot, especially now that I'm not in most Ubuntu channels I used to frequent and thus don't get hilights
[17:55] <Myrtti> and even then I've configured it to alert only when I'm away
[17:58] <popey> ok
[18:48] <camason> hi guys. Just booted up an old 13.04 install - trying to update and upgrade, but apt is showing a bunch of 404 errors against security.ubuntu.com raring-security
[18:48] <camason> any pointers?
[18:48] <popey> it will do
[18:48] <popey> 13.04 is out of support
[18:48] <awilkins_> 404 is because the files are not there anymore!
[18:48] <camason> makes sense
[18:49] <popey> disable the security repo in system settings and upgrade it
[18:49] <popey> or reinstall, whatever
[18:49] <awilkins_> From memory there's a "old stuff" repo?
[18:49] <awilkins_> Not sure how much it has in it
[18:49] <popey> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:49] <popey> s/stuff/releases/
[18:49] <awilkins_> Last time I looked was for my very very old MythTV box
[18:50] <awilkins_> I do wonder if the new builds will actually perform better on the hardware
[18:50] <awilkins_> Since they redid it all in Qt4
[18:51] <awilkins_> For that kind of gap I'd probably back up my /home and reinstall / restore (to a subfolder)
[18:54] <camason> I imagine it would be easier now If I just purge this install and start again?
[18:55] <daftykins> camason: yeah backup and clean install of 14.04.1 would make far more sense and be time effective
[18:55] <mapps> hhi all
[18:55] <camason> ok I'll do that. I'll burn 14.04 to the CD as that's still working
[18:57] <daftykins> *DVD
[18:57] <daftykins> 14.04.1 ;)
[18:57] <camason> I was too lazy to type dvd
[18:57] <daftykins> hah
[18:58] <camason> crazy year for work... thought I'd actually boot my gaming PC to have a session, only to remember that the Windows 7 install was fubar, and ubuntu was on an old non-lts release
[18:58] <daftykins> camason: if it were still before Christmas we could get you a flash drive to install from
[18:58] <camason> eh?
[18:58] <daftykins> as a present
[18:59] <camason> nice
[18:59] <camason> typical tonight I left all my USB drives at the office
[18:59] <camason> I need to do it anyway... TF2 just isn't the same on a Mac
[19:00] <daftykins> heh
[19:00] <camason> I have a GTX 780 in there I've never used. Been sat there for a year
[19:01] <camason> is there a tl:dr anywhere on what's changed in ubuntu since 2013?
[19:03] <mapps> ]brrr
[19:03] <daftykins> pass.
[19:03] <mapps> this weather sucks
[19:03] <mapps> i can go to work in shorts and tshirt most days back in gib
[19:03] <camason> yeah it sucks a lot. Riding a motorcycle in it is terrible
[19:03] <mapps> here im cold:((
[19:03] <mapps> never need a coat there..hjere do
[19:04] <mapps> sent a text to my boss saying im staying perm
[19:04] <mapps> ;D
[19:04] <daftykins> XD
[19:04] <daftykins> it's down to 5 deg C here on Guernsey atm
[19:04] <mapps> said id decide by 19th jan when i went back to uk]
[19:04] <mapps> Gibraltar
[19:04] <mapps> Tuesday 20:00
[19:04] <mapps> Mostly Cloudy
[19:04] <mapps> undefined
[19:04] <mapps> 9°C | °F
[19:04] <mapps> Precipitation: 5%
[19:04] <mapps> Humidity: 93%
[19:04] <mapps> Wind: 6 mph
[19:04] <mapps> TemperaturePrecipitationWind
[19:04] <mapps> and thats 'cold' for them
[19:05] <mapps> never seen it really cold..sometim,es strongish winds from the sea but thats it
[19:05] <daftykins> yeah coastal can be a bit blargh
[19:05] <mapps> daddy's fixing my iphone screen atm:DDD
[19:05] <mapps> and its rained maybe 3-4x since ive been there 4 months
[19:05] <daftykins> nasty fruity tech :P
[19:05] <mapps> but besides that all good
[19:06] <mapps> im getting paid a good wage for being there 8% rise..rent allowance and 2 free flights to uk each year
[19:06] <mapps> if i come back to uk..same job but none of that
[19:06] <daftykins> 8D
[19:06] <daftykins> sounded like you said the place is a bit of a dive though?
[19:07] <mapps> hmm
[19:07] <mapps> not dive
[19:07] <mapps> dead
[19:07] <mapps> true
[19:07] <mapps> because people only go out fridays..so rest of the week it's very quiet..relaxed..like a retirement/ghost town
[19:07] <mapps> no bars/pubs open past 11pm place is EMPTY
[19:07] <mapps> but there's also virtually no crime..everyone woiuld know who it is hey..it's so small
[19:07] <mapps> and better weather]
[19:15] <daftykins> i quite fancy a curry tonight, but there's a heavy downpour right now
[19:15] <daftykins> i wouldn't even fancy walking the 60m to my local ;)
[19:15] <mapps> no home del?
[19:16] <daftykins> well i genuinely am 60m from their door, so i wouldn't try to be so cheeky
[19:16] <daftykins> i also take the carrier bag back in from the last time, to recycle :>
[19:21] <mapps> ;]
[19:23] <daftykins> new stuff look inside it and see nothing, look puzzled for a moment, then realise what i'm going on about :>
[19:26] <brobostigon> any ideas why, messages from a contact in bitlbee, would show in the control channel, insted of in a seperate window for said contact?
[19:27] <popey> a bug?
[19:28] <brobostigon> messages from all my other contacts show in seperate windows as they are meant to, except for from one specific contact.
[21:51] <popey> http://imgur.com/z5jwkis :)
[21:55] <daftykins> \o/
[22:15] <mjayk> o/
[22:15] <daftykins> hi
[22:16] <mjayk> hayhay