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Kilosmorning charl  ambo_  bduk1  inetpro  Trixar_za  and others05:00
Trixar_zaMorning Kilos05:00
Trixar_zaHow did you know I was here?05:01
Kilosi know everything05:01
Kiloshehe05:01
Kilosno man konversation is like xchat , it shows peeps online05:01
Trixar_zaI'm updating my minetest server and mods05:09
Trixar_zaMaybe adding a few of more and modifying some :P05:09
Kiloscool05:10
Kiloswork on me getting free data then ill come play05:11
Kilosbduk1  bduk2   wat nou05:27
Kilosboetie kom kuier?05:27
bduk2More Kilos  en almal05:39
bduk2Ek werf meer ouens vir ubuntu man 05:40
Kilosmooi man05:40
Kiloshehe05:40
Kilossoos die engelsman wat hier is ook\05:41
bduk2Sien ek het 3 devices so 'n user op elkeen dan is ons klaar 3 meer05:42
Kiloslol05:42
bduk2Hoe gaan dit vanmore daar by jou Kilos 05:44
Trixar_zaThat should be all of them05:45
Kilosvoel bietjie swak vandag, weet nie hoekom nie05:45
Kilosthats really a lekker game hey Trixar_za  05:46
Trixar_zaareas, bridges, moreblocks, moreores, creatures, homedecor, 3d_armor, u_skinsdb, worldedit, shooter, travelnet, unified_inventory05:47
Trixar_zaYeah, but adding parts can be a pain because your balancing functionality with resources requirements05:48
Kilosoh my, do you fight the monsters05:48
Kilosthey used to kill me so we turned it off05:48
Trixar_zaYeah, 3d_armor adds swords and armor, shooter adds guns, and creatures add zombies05:48
Kiloslol05:49
Trixar_zau_skinsdb should add skins you can choose from05:49
Trixar_za:P05:49
Trixar_zaI don't actually want the zombies to randomly spawn. I want them to spawn in a certain place. One player made a 'troll hole' - you fall a long way and I created some buffers with water so the fall doesn't kill you.05:51
Trixar_zaThere used to be no way back without powers or using /home05:51
Kiloslol i died in holes a few times too05:51
Trixar_zaSo I created a little room filled with zombies. At the end of it, you can use the teleporter to get back.05:51
Trixar_zaor die trying - lol05:51
Kilosi had to mine my way up with a pick back then05:51
Trixar_zaThat's where travelnet is useful. You can make travel boxes (teleporters) between places05:53
Kilosya we had that05:53
Trixar_zaIt also comes with a elevator, but that's just a teleporter that allows you to move up or down between two boxes05:53
Kilosand teleporting was great05:53
Kilossaved lots of tired legs05:54
Trixar_zaand long trips up or down ladders :P05:55
Kilosya05:56
Kilosdid you ever go see my mine in the deep?05:56
Trixar_zaMy server is running at rock.gigirc.com if you want to check it out05:56
Trixar_zaNo :P05:56
Kilosi think it was 5 ks down on a ladder05:56
Trixar_zaStill have to update the mods on my server though05:57
Kilosim limited to 35m a day atm so min online stuff05:57
Kilosmonth end is still so far away05:58
Trixar_zaYeah, it can be a bit data intensive05:58
Kiloshi octoquad  did you see the flies mail about apt-offline05:59
octoquadmorning Kilos06:01
octoquadyes, I did06:01
Kilosand charls follow up06:01
octoquadSame as http://www.debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT06:01
Kilosyou can work on that if you like06:01
Kilosohi superhuman  wb06:05
superhumanaweh Kilos06:06
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  06:54
ThatGraemeGuy'lo 'lo06:54
inetprogood mornings07:05
inetprosuperhuman: wb07:05
inetprosuperfly: only problem with apt-offline is that it's not installed by default, at least not on 14.0407:06
inetprorephrase: first problem with apt-offline*07:07
inetproKilos: goeie more07:08
mazalMorning everyone07:10
Kilosmorning inetpro  07:11
Kiloshi mazal  07:11
Kiloshttp://businesstech.co.za/news/general/77591/eskom-load-shedding-schedule-to-april-2015/07:24
Kilosai!07:24
Kilosyay apt-offline has a gui07:46
Kiloswill try it out before the meeting hopefully07:47
inetprobut Kilos, you had to install it?07:57
Kilosyes but thats so easy07:57
inetprowhat if you're offline?07:57
Kilossynaptic or aptitude07:57
Kiloswell then one needs to be able to supply the packages first07:58
inetprothat's my point07:58
Kilosyes07:58
Kilosso having the repo on hand is also needed07:59
Kilosor maybe using apt-rdepends and getting all the relevant packages07:59
Kilosi still think using remastersys to make a live dvd with all these extras already installed might help08:01
Kilosmaybe we can start a collection so we can buy the source and make it our own fork08:01
Kilosthe guy wants $5008:02
mazallove remastersys , re-installed so many pc's without hassle thanx to that app08:03
Kilosi think we should try get it08:03
mazalBut I doubt that old version will still work onwards , I already had to do a tweak on 10.04 Lubuntu to get it to work08:04
mazal14.04 even08:04
Kilosi used it on 14.04 works fine08:04
mazalUnity yes , but Lubuntu needs a tweak08:04
Kilosno tweaking just i used the gui08:04
Kilosah08:04
mazallightdm config files that moved08:05
Kilosoh wait i useit on 12.0408:05
mazalEasy fix though08:05
Kilosinstall gdm08:05
mazalAnd on Kubuntu it also refuses if you haven't done some login settings options yet08:05
Kilos?08:05
Kiloswell fix it for kde then ill try it here08:06
charlgood morning08:06
mazalWhat's the error you get Kilos ?08:06
charlMaaz: coffee on08:06
* Maaz starts grinding coffee08:06
Kiloshi charl  08:06
charlhi Kilos, mazal, inetpro 08:06
KilosMaaz  coffee please08:06
MaazKilos: Sure08:06
mazalremastersys works 100% on my Kubuntu08:06
mazalHi charl 08:06
Kiloswhat did you change on login settings08:07
mazalIt refuses says that lightdm is not setup , but all I did was go into system settings and made some changes to login options.08:07
mazalI changed changed the userbar to classic08:08
mazalThen remastersys ran fine08:08
Kilosi dont see login options08:09
mazalNow I must add , the resulting iso doesn't have an install option if you select the " boot live cd ". You must select the install at the boot screen08:09
mazalRight at the bottom under system administration08:09
mazalThere's one that says "login screen"08:10
Kilosoh ya ty08:10
MaazCoffee's ready for charl and Kilos!08:10
KilosMaaz  dankie man08:10
MaazGroot plesier my vriend08:10
mazalI changed "user bar" to "classic" , that's it , nothing else08:11
charlMaaz: danke08:11
MaazBitteschön08:11
Kiloswbb got to go pick mulberry leaves for my sick lamb08:12
Squirmhello08:56
Kiloshi Squirm  08:59
ThatGraemeGuythis is so cool http://mybroadband.co.za/news/gadgets/117096-your-entire-pc-in-a-mouse.html09:22
bduk2Kilos:  what is mulberrys09:24
Kilosmoerbye09:24
bduk2ok does it help the sheep09:24
Kilosleaves very healthy09:24
Kiloshealthier than grass alone09:25
bduk2ok whats wrong with the sheep09:25
Kilosit got some bug and was totally lame. i check for verlamming bosluise but found none09:25
Kilosfor three days it just lay there , i had to pipe water down its throat09:26
inetprois it getting better Kilos?09:27
Kilosthen it got a bit better but didnt know how to eat, so i pushed 1 leaf at a time to back of tongue09:27
Kilosya it stands for 5 mins at a time now but can only reverse because front legs are weak09:27
Kilosbut it vreets09:28
Kilosit couldnt drink water for first 2 weeks either , all had to be piped, then it tried to chew the water09:28
Kilosnow at least it drinks on its own09:29
Kilosmust have been some brain damage 09:29
Kilosnow i can put a bowl of water there and it drinks and a pile of leaves in fronty of it is good for the food09:30
Kilosbut when it stands up it reverses away from everything09:30
Kiloshehe09:30
Kilosso i spend lots of time moving food09:31
Kiloseats about 1/2 wheelbarrow full of leaves everyday09:32
Kilosand eats lots of knapse kerels09:32
inetproKilos: good, as long as there is progress it makes it worth it, hope it gets better soon09:33
Kilosthe kerels are a natural antibiotic09:33
Kilosty09:33
Kilosme too its a ewe09:33
inetproThatGraemeGuy: very interesting indeed, not sure it is completely practical 09:33
Kilosthat mouse  pc is a wonderful idea09:34
ThatGraemeGuyi know but something doesn't necessarily have to be practical to be cool09:34
inetproa PC in a keyboard would perhaps be more practical09:34
Kiloslol09:34
Kilosya how do you type09:34
inetprowould be very cool for presentations09:35
Kilosyeah09:35
inetprobut then, with mobile phones we don't even need to go there anymore 09:35
mazalinetpro, that reminds me of my first "pc"09:35
mazalCommodore 64 , everything in the keyboard\09:36
Kiloseish fones 09:36
inetproall we need is wifi integration with projectors and mobile 09:36
Kilosthey for kids09:36
Kiloseven whatsapp is a mission09:36
mazalConnected tape drive to it , started loading the app and waited 40 minutes for it to load lol09:37
bduk2Kilos:  ekt gou my vrou gevra om bietjie in die veesiekte boek te kyk09:37
Kilosmonnig and veldtman?09:38
mazalBout one year later a floppy drive came out for it and we though " wow boet , this is so awesome !! " :) Good times09:38
Kilosdit was baie vreemd bduk2  dit het in die kraal in gehardloop in die aand en volgende oggend was lam09:40
Kilosverlammings bosluis maak laat hulle nie kan opstaan nie maar kan nog eet en drink09:40
Kilosal wat ek kan dink is slang byt09:41
Kilosdie ander ene wat selle gedoen het is dood na drie dae09:42
Kilosamper soos n mens in n koma in die begin09:42
Kilosmaar nou as sy my sien skree sy al vir nog blare09:43
Kilosas dit n ram was het ek keelaf gesny09:44
Kilosmaar in die laaste maand het sy amper in grote verdubbel09:45
bduk2baie snaaks. Onthou nie so iets by ons skape nie my vrou ook nie. Gee haar 'n spuit teremycin. ons spuit ons skape baie daarvan. Is dit 'n ooi wat dragtig is?09:45
Kilosek het berenil gespy09:46
Kilosgespyt09:46
Kilosdis ook oxytetracycline09:46
Kilosen n week later penicillin gegee09:46
Kilosen ontwurm 09:47
mazalOom Kilos , die was my eerste pc : http://is.gd/0OYNIj09:47
mazalEk voel nou skoon nostalgies09:47
Kilossjoe mazal  09:47
Kiloslol09:47
bduk2Mazal moenie huil nie asb09:47
mazalMy moeder het nog haar flou gespaar om een vir my te kon koop09:48
Kilosbduk2  al wat ek kan dink is slang met neuro toksien gif09:48
Kiloswant eks seker daar was brein skade, want dit het vergeet hoe om te eet of drink09:49
Kilosvoorentoe sal ek haar bloed gebruik om ander te inokuleer09:50
bduk2glo nie dan sou sy al lankal ophou asemhaal het. Jy moet tog merke of swelling sien09:50
Kilosdie wol te dik man09:50
Kilosmerino x vleis merino x landskaap09:51
bduk2glo nie slang sou deur wol byt nie sal in gesig of op bene wees09:51
Kiloswel watever dit was dit lyk of sy dit gaan oorleef09:52
bduk2Kilos:  se net weer die simptome09:53
Kilosheeltemal lam09:53
Kilosnet oe en longe het nog gewerk09:54
bduk2My vrou gaan 'n vriend van ons vra wat baie goed is met diere hy is amper ons lokale veearts hier.09:54
Kilosdankie09:54
bduk2sys nie dragtig nie?09:55
Kilosmaar soos ek se die ander een wat so gemaak het was binne drie dae dood09:55
Kilosnee man sy is nou eers 4 maande oud09:55
Kilos#ubuntu-farming09:57
Kiloslol09:57
bduk2hoelank is die een al so?09:57
Kilos1 maand09:57
bduk2So lank09:58
Kilossy lyk heel gesond, net swak09:58
Kilosya09:58
Kilosvan die 21ste december09:59
Kilosek onthou dit want sus was selle dag op pad na haar dogter in namibia09:59
Kilosdis nie n siekte nie , dis iets wat die spiere en verstand aangetas het10:01
Kiloseerste keer wat ek dit sien10:01
Kilosthat and this membership thing has kept my head spinning in overdrive10:05
Kilos7200rpm10:05
bduk2Die ou is besig met studente sal jou laatweet sodra ek weet of anders kan ek sy nommer vir jou gee dan kan jy hom bel as jy wil Kilos 10:11
Kilosdankie maar bel is duur.10:23
Kilosal my geld gaan vir data en pc goed10:24
bduk2Dis ok Kilos  sal hom bel as hy ete het. kyk hier solank http://landbou.com/kundiges/vra-vir-faffa/lamsiekte/10:24
Kilosdaar is geen haas nie , want sy verber daagliks10:24
Kilosverbeter10:25
Kilosnee man wag tot hy tyd het10:25
Kilosetenstyd is belangrik10:25
Kiloshmm... botu;lism10:26
Kilosmaar als vrek van dit10:26
Kilossjoe wie weet10:32
Kilosek glo dat as sy nou nog nie dood is nie sal sy nie vrek nie10:33
bduk2Sorry Kilos  gou bietjie besig geraak. Ken nie veel van die diere dinge nie maar ons probeer maar10:48
Kilosnp10:49
Kilosmoenie baie worrie nie seun , sy is verby die ergste10:49
bduk2Nou daai artikel gaan lees en dit lyk nogal na jou skaap se simptome10:53
Kilosja baie maar sy het nie uit die bek geskuim nie10:54
Kilosmaar as dit lamsiekte was is sy nou darem goed ge ent daarteen. sal moet rondloop en kyk vir ander doeie diere se bene in die plek10:56
Kilosai!10:56
bduk2Ok die boere is klaar  (vir eers) terug na die ubuntu manne10:56
Kiloskan enigiets wees tot n dooi rot10:56
Kiloslol10:56
Kilosdankie10:57
Kilosmaaz change topic10:57
MaazKilos: Huh?10:57
Kilossorry for the off topic ranting guys10:58
mazalIs there a way I can increase the text size overall of everything on Kubuntu ?\11:01
Kilosya11:01
Kiloslemme check11:01
mazalA text size setting that change all text in all apps11:02
Kilosapplication appearance11:02
Kilosthen fonts11:03
mazalAh ok I see , then " adjust all fons ? "11:03
Kilosat the bottom i ticked force fonts and made it 10411:03
Kilosthat too i have at 1211:04
mazalKewl , that works , except for my irc window 11:04
Kilosen ek lees nou lekker11:04
Kilosirc you set in the client11:04
Kilosi use konversation because its easier to change things11:05
mazalThe channel list at the left changed , just this main screen inside the channel didn't11:05
Kiloswhat client11:05
mazalxchat11:06
Kilosoi11:06
mazalMaybe I must close and open the room11:06
Kilosno man you corrupting kde11:06
mazalnope , that didn't work11:06
Kilosinstall konversation11:06
Kilosyou corrupt kde with xchat11:06
mazalI can't find a setting for it , can't be11:07
Kilosyou can change konversation to look just like xchat11:07
Kilosxchat is no longer supported i think11:07
mazalAha found it11:08
Kilosif you must use one of them use hexchat11:08
Kilosin xchat?11:08
mazalDaarsy , nice and big now. yep xchat11:08
Kilosmy11:08
Kilosoh it doesnt give lekker alerts11:09
Kilosgives bell.oga11:09
Kilospling11:09
bduk2Kilos:  kan ons gou weer landbou gesels?11:11
bduk2Daai ou se jy moet kyk vir wurms anders kan dit ook 'n kalsium tekort wees. jy kan kalcitet spuit vir die kalsium11:13
Kilosja11:13
Kiloshehe11:13
Kilosek het ontwurm met seponver wat ook melk lindwurm doen na twee weke van lam word11:15
Kilosen vanoggend met ivomec super11:15
Kilosdie kalk ding kan miskien help ja want as diere begin ou bene kou dan wys dit na kalk tekort ek dink11:16
Kilosmaar ek weet nie of dit die oorsaak was nie11:17
Kilossy staan en eet blare lekker nou, ek kan net nie die xperia te kry wer vir kiekie neem nie11:17
Kilosgrrr11:17
Kilosse vir hom ek se dankie11:18
bduk2Ek maak so Kilos 11:24
bduk2daai kalsium goed is Calsi tet spuit 10ml onder die vel in11:26
Kilossal so maak as sus kans kry om te gaan koop dankie11:26
bduk2Terug na ubuntu voor daai kwaai manne ons afskop hier11:27
Kiloshehe11:27
mazal_testoom Kilos, I'm having a look at konversation now11:27
Kilosits very lekker and you kan press ctrl+R and it makes a line for if you go away and dont want to scroll past where you were11:28
mazal_testHow do I remove/reset that line ?11:29
Kilosmany settings in konversation under settings configure konversation and configure notifications11:29
Kiloswhy remove it11:29
Kilosleave it there11:29
mazal_testWhen you caught up an are bavk and have to leave again and want to put a new line11:30
Kilosi use it to keep different chats apart11:30
mazal_testoh nevermind , I see just ctl-r again11:30
Kilosyou just add a new one again11:30
Kilosoh11:30
Kiloshmm...11:31
Kilosoi11:33
Kiloswat breek jy nou?11:35
mazalAt first it looks a bit more colorful11:35
mazalSettings was easy to configure , like that11:35
Kilosjy kan tot die kanale op die linkerkant kry soos xchat11:35
Kilosand you kan see smileys11:36
mazal:)11:36
mazalNo I cant11:36
mazal:-)11:36
Kiloshttps://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks11:36
mazalMust I enable it ?11:36
Kilosi think its in there11:36
Kilosyou add some text to somewhere11:36
Kilosnumber 611:37
mazalWill try later , if I remember11:39
Kiloslemme tell you11:39
mazalI also like that I can just click on a link and it opens11:39
Kilossudo nano ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc11:39
mazalXchat I had to right-click and tell it to open11:39
Kilosya kde is very cool11:40
Kilosadd 11:40
KilosThemes]11:40
Kilos EmotIconTheme=Default11:40
Kilos EnableEmotIcons=true11:40
mazalChat window is bigger as well , also like that11:40
Kilos [themes]11:41
Kilosare you doing it?11:41
mazalWill do later like I said oom. Don't want to edit config files now11:41
Kilosits fast and simple man11:41
mazalSmileys is not important enough this time of day :P11:42
Kilostheree lines to add11:42
Kilosit makes it prettier11:42
mazalai11:42
Kiloshaha11:42
Kilosthen you kan see peeps stick tongue out at you11:42
mazalok dan , laat ek dit tog maar doen11:42
Trixar_zaKilos: Have you seen http://sakis3g.com ?11:42
Kiloswill look Trixar_za  have you fixed it11:43
Trixar_zaNo, somebody else bought the domain to provide Sakis3g11:43
Kilosoh11:43
Trixar_zahe's providing the old version, but I'm trying to get him to provide mine11:44
Kiloshi smile  11:44
Kilosya convince him , yours is better and can see more modems11:44
smilehi Kilos :)11:45
Kilosmazal  waar is jy nou11:45
mazal:)11:45
mazalDit werkie11:45
Kilosman11:45
Kiloswil jy my epos addy leen11:45
mazalHoekom ?11:45
Kilosyou add those three lines then ctrl+o11:45
mazaldid11:45
Kilosthen enter then ctrl+x11:46
mazaldid11:46
Kilosthen restart konversation11:46
mazalOh must I restart ?11:46
Kilosi dunno try it11:46
mazalROTFLOL , ek mors net met oom, dis seker obvious hy moet restart :)11:46
Kiloskonversation rocks11:47
mazalI emmulated one of my own users now <eg>11:47
KilosMaaz  hit mazal  11:47
MaazKilos: What?11:47
Kilosai!11:47
Kilos:)11:48
mazalOk oom , my smileys werk nou11:48
Kilosmooi gaan werk nou11:48
mazalNee ek willie11:49
Kiloslolol11:49
mazalWhere was I before all this konversation thing happened ?11:49
Kilosxchat text too small11:50
mazalOooh ja !!! lemme check this one's options for that11:50
Kilosit should work with the default settings i think11:51
Kilosset fonts11:51
Kilossettings configure fonts11:51
mazalEk kannie nou dit kyk nie , oom het gese ek moet gaan werk :P11:55
Kiloslol11:56
Kilos:P11:56
Kiloshehe i <3 kde11:58
Kiloshi Xethron  12:03
Kilosoi12:03
mazalJa nee oom , it's early days yet , but I must say I like K a lot so far. Really nice12:07
Kilosthe best12:07
mazalWhy you didn't tell me long ago to try it ?12:08
Kilosyou will see, it doesnt break easily12:08
Kilosi have been trying for a year now but you had excuses12:08
Kilossoos nie nou tyd om nuwe goed te leer nie12:09
mazalissie12:09
Kilosand you liked unity and didnt see a reason to change12:10
mazalKannie weesie , ekke ?12:10
Kilosja ja12:10
mazallol12:10
Kiloseks seker jy het in die agtergrond gese wat weet die ou toppie12:11
Kilosjy vergeet ek leer van die meesters12:11
mazalHehe , nee die probleem was maar tyd , en die laaste een wat ek getry het se instability12:11
mazalDink dit was 11.10 , kan nie eers onthou nie12:11
mazalHet my baie kopsere gegee daai een12:12
Kiloshehe12:12
Kilosas tyd altyd n probleem is dan hou by die lts releases12:13
mazalJa dis wat ek doen , van 12.04 af gebruik ek net LTS , niks anders nie12:13
Kilosdasn is dit net in jare tyd dat jy nog moet werk12:13
mazalEenkeer in 2 jaar install is nie bad nie12:14
Kilosnee12:16
Kilosek dink ook dis miskien beter om te wag vir die .112:16
Kilos14.04.112:16
Kilosdan is als al gesorteer12:17
mazalê12:17
mazalë12:17
Kiloshehe12:17
mazalHet nou eers die composite key setting gesoek , en gekry12:18
Kilosja kde het als12:18
mazalcompose key even12:18
mazalEk sê altyd vir myself ek gaan wag vir die .1 release , maar dan is ek te haastig om die nuwe ubu te try en wag nooit tot dan nie. Ek doen myne gewoonlik so 2 weke na release12:19
Kilosja dis moelik maar beter om eers te toets op n ander skyf of virtual ding12:22
mazalBye all , have a nice evening12:49
Kiloshi smile  15:48
Kilos:)15:48
Kiloswooot lammetjie look so wankelrig rond en soek self bossies en gras om te vreet16:08
GrembleHey16:43
Kilosohi Gremble  16:51
Kilosyou learning hard?16:52
GrembleThe power was off, so I took a nap instead16:52
Gremble:P16:52
Kiloshi captine  17:17
captinehi Kilos 17:17
Kilosdont stick your tongue out at me gremble  17:17
gremblec==|:17:18
Kilosmy daughter also used to do that till i threatnened to bite it off17:18
grembleThat is really creepy17:18
Kiloswith that i only see text17:18
Kilosactually lots of peeps use that emoticon17:19
Kilosthats why i make emoticons work in konversation so i can see who sticks tongue out at me17:20
gremble:P17:20
Kiloshaha17:20
Kilos:)17:20
Symmetriahrm17:21
Symmetriaso, western digital17:21
Kilosoh gremble  /me grumbles17:21
Symmetriabought hitachi17:21
Symmetriawtf did that happen17:21
Kilosaw now i forgot why17:21
Kiloshi Symmetria  you supposed to greet before ranting17:22
Kilosoh ya gremble did ibid python beat you?17:23
Kilosor you forgot17:23
Symmetrialol sorrt17:23
Symmetriasorry17:23
grembleIt beat me. There is just so much to do to get it to 317:24
gremble:/17:24
Kilosaw17:25
captineSymmetria, hitachi no good?17:26
Kiloswe gonna have to beg the weed to make some time17:26
KilosMaaz  google #ibid on irc17:27
MaazKilos: "Ibid in Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ibid :: "Ibid chat bot - Launchpad Blog" http://blog.launchpad.net/projects/ibid-chat-bot :: "caktus/hal · GitHub" https://github.com/caktus/hal :: "Ibid – Freecode" http://www.freecode.com/projects/ibid :: "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots - Wikipedia, the free ..."17:27
Maazhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots :: "IRC Networks > Atrum > Channels" http://search.mibbit.com/…17:27
Kilosoh ya atrum17:28
KilosMaaz  ibid channel17:30
Maazirc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org17:30
Symmetriacaptine,  heh actually HGCS (the old hitachi) produce some of the best NAS drives around17:30
Symmetriaand they are world specialists in huge capacity disks17:30
Symmetriabut I was just suprised they were now owned by WD17:30
inetproSymmetria: that a good thing or a bad thang?17:35
inetprowb smile17:38
smilehi inetpro :)17:38
smilethanks17:38
Kiloshmm...17:39
smileI'm converting 200 tabs to one single PDF :P17:39
inetprois it just me or is wiki.ubuntu.com slow for everyone else?17:39
smileI'm curious ;)17:39
Kilosslow today inetpro  17:39
Kiloswas much faster yesterday17:39
smileinetpro: fast enough for me :)17:39
smile(just viewing)17:40
Kiloswhere is our fly?17:40
grembleall zipped up17:40
inetprosmile: I'm also just viewing, but the speed varies from acceptable to very very slow17:40
Kiloslol17:40
smileKilos: what do you mean? :p17:41
Kiloswhat do you mean what do i mean smile  17:41
smile"where is our fly?é17:41
smile* "where is our fly?"17:41
Kilosoh my17:41
smileoh my fly. :P17:41
smile:o17:41
Kilosthere is only one17:41
smilewhy dont you get another one? :p17:41
Kilossuperfly  dodo17:42
Kilosdid you now google what a dodo is17:42
Kiloshehe17:42
smile full of energy, vitality, or daring: the go-go generation17:43
smile:p17:43
Kilosdodo not gogo17:43
Kilosextinct bird17:43
Kiloswas too friendly and lovable, didnt run away from enemies17:44
smileoh yeah, dodo, I remember17:44
Kilos:-)17:44
grembleBirds are neither friendly nor lovable >.>17:44
Kiloshmm...17:45
Kilosdemi moore is both17:45
Kilosok then maybe the dodo was too stupid to run17:46
grembleIs it possibly to be friendly and unlovable? or unfriendly and lovable?17:46
Kilosyou will learn that in time17:47
Kiloswiki fast now here inetpro  17:48
Kiloswhew africa has min ubuntu locos17:49
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership17:49
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captineSymmetria, wow.  didnt realize wd owned them17:51
captineI am a fan of the WD Red drives.  seem solid.  Thought Hitachi used to run hotter (like the old maxtors)17:51
Symmetriacaptine heh, I was specifically looking for high speed 6TB disks18:01
SymmetriaHGCS also makes the only 8TB disks available as far as I know18:01
SymmetriaHGST I mean18:02
Symmetriaheh I just bought 6 HGST 6TB disks18:02
Symmetria7200 RPM 6TB disk = fast as HELL18:02
Symmetriabecause on a 6TB disk, the number of platters and how close the data is together makes them fast even at 5400 RPM18:03
Symmetriaat 7200 RPM those things are sick18:03
Symmetriaheh the best performing 6TB disk is still the seagate enterprise class 18:10
Symmetriabut they are $100 more expensive per drive 18:10
grembleIs that specifically 6TB disks Symmetria?18:10
Symmetriagremble, 4TB disks same thing, 4TB standard disks are fast 18:11
Symmetriabut they arent as fast as 6TB disks18:11
Symmetriacache on the disk also helps, standard desktop drives have like 64meg of it, the more advaced drives are 12818:11
grembleThat is pretty interesting, that there are specific sizes that have speed improvements over other sizes18:11
gremble:o18:11
Symmetriagremble well, think about it, data is packed closer together on a larger drive18:12
Symmetriaso the heads dont have to travel as far to seek the same amount of data18:12
Symmetriabenchmark a 1TB disk vs any 3TB disk18:12
Symmetriayou'll see a big difference18:12
gremblePerhaps for continious blocks, but searching for abitrary data shouldnt be faster like that18:12
inetprowhat is the maximum size that you can get in SSD these days?18:13
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captineSo... i have managed to get my IT department to give me 2 ubuntu lts vm's in our datacentre.  One running a bunch of test software (orangehrm, drupal as an interim intranet test etc).  The other is dedicated to gitlab...  Spent all day getting active directory to work on the drupal install and the gitlab... what a pain18:13
Symmetriagremble it is actually, because the chances are its still closer together cause of how densly the data is packed 18:13
Symmetriainetpro 1TB SSD's are pretty common18:13
Symmetriahavent seen anything much bigger than that18:13
grembleThat is pretty cool though18:13
SymmetriaI use a 768 gig SSD as my boot drive 18:14
captineSymmetria, i just got a 3TB WD Red... i am happy18:14
Symmetriacaptine yeah, the WD Red's are good disks, I just want more performance than I will get outta that18:14
captineu using it for work?  what sort of workload/18:15
Kiloshi kulelu88  18:15
captine?18:15
Symmetriabut both WD Red's and HGST disks are meant for hard work, they will fail less than standard desktop disks18:15
captinemine is just for home NAS18:15
Symmetriacaptine heh, my home storage, but my home storage takes a beating cause of the speed I download at ;p18:15
Symmetriamy disks were capping out when I was downloading crap ;p18:15
kulelu88Hello folks18:15
captineok.  i dont want to hear of download speeds... we stuck here.... :(18:15
Symmetriahere = .za?18:16
captineyip18:16
captinewhere u ad?18:16
captineat?18:16
Symmetrialol yes .za lags behind most of the world :) but lol, I'm in Kenya 18:16
Symmetriaand my net access well, its fast :p18:16
captinewhat speed there?18:16
Symmetriabut then again, Ive made a point of making sure that no matter where I go, I always end up with fast net 18:16
Symmetrialol I have 2 x 10G lines into my house ;p18:16
captinewhat line of work are you in?  I assume you work from home?  or is that just for fun:)18:17
kulelu8810G lines? 18:17
Symmetriabut im not exactly your average person when it comes to my bandwidth :) 18:17
kulelu88I don't even think NASA has 10G speeds18:17
Symmetriakulelu88, errr 10G speeds arent hard to get these days18:17
Symmetriacaptine,  heh I head up IP Strategy for the Liquid Telecommunications group18:18
kulelu88Symmetria: What does 10G mean to you?18:18
Symmetriakulelu88, 10G = 10gigabit = 1250Mbytes/second 18:18
Symmetriadone on fiber 18:18
Symmetriaheh, and I've got faster than that deployed elsewhere18:18
captineso what do you do with all that bandwidth?18:19
kulelu88You get 1250Mbytes in Kenya? Are you connected directly to the fibre cable by the ocean?18:19
Symmetriaheh, kule I'm directly connected to the liquid telecom backbone18:20
Symmetriavia fiber 18:21
Symmetriaheh, and that backbone runs a hell of a lot more than 10G :)18:21
SymmetriaPhysical interface: et-3/2/0, Enabled, Physical link is Up18:21
Symmetria  Interface index: 717, SNMP ifIndex: 197318:21
Symmetria  Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 1514, Speed: 100Gbps, BPDU Error: None, Loopback: Disabled, Source filtering: Disabled,18:21
Symmetriaheh thats a backbone interface18:21
Symmetrianote the speed of that, and thats a single interface18:21
kulelu88How is life in Kenya? Do you have stable water, lights and internet? 18:22
grembleAll the things that we don't have here18:22
gremble:P18:22
Symmetriaheh, the internet in kenya is *FAR* more advanced than in .za18:22
Symmetriaand trust me, I know a thing or 2 about .za internet :P 18:22
kulelu88I'll confirm that on Numbeo18:22
grembleHow is the internet privacy there?18:23
Symmetriawater is perfectly stable, power *shrug* I would hardly call .za's power stable right now ;p18:23
kulelu88what about lights and water?18:23
Symmetriake power is as good as za's and getting better while za's gets worse :)18:23
Symmetriakulelu88, heh, I know about the za internet infrastructure cause I built a fair amount of it18:23
Symmetriathe entire academic backbone in za was designed and implemented by myself18:24
kulelu88Were you a telkom (black) technician laying the copper? :P18:24
Symmetriaas was the installation of the original GGC caches in za which was the catalyst for uncapped bandwidth18:24
kulelu88uhhh18:24
Symmetriakulelu88, no, I was CTO of TENET for 7 years 18:24
Symmetriaand plenty people in here who can verify that :)18:24
kulelu88What's your name?18:24
SymmetriaAndrew Alston ;p18:24
kulelu88Can you find me a place next to yours so I can piggyback on your internet? I'm planning on relocating. 18:25
grembleXD18:25
Symmetriahttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/35170-tenet-cto-andrew-alston-resigns.html <=== heh, there is a pic of me in that article from when I left TENET18:26
grembleHe has a really large house, I think we should just move in18:26
Symmetriahaha gremble 18:26
Symmetriamy wifey might disagree :)18:26
kulelu88This you: http://andrewalston.org/ ??18:26
Symmetriano18:26
Symmetriahttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Andrew_Alston_.jpg18:27
Symmetriathats me ;p18:27
kulelu88Symmetria: I'm actually not kidding. I want faster internet so I can become a digital nomad18:27
captinei would be happy with 100meg fibre....18:28
captineeven 5018:28
captine:)18:28
kulelu88I'd be happy with 10!!!18:28
kulelu88Installing docker images is ... well ...18:29
Symmetriakulelu88, heh, decent internet is easy in Kenya, hell, here for the equiv. of around 900 bux a month, you can get 40mbit uncapped net access + 90 tv channels thrown in ;p18:29
kulelu88Where is here specifically? town name?18:29
kulelu88i mean city name18:29
SymmetriaI'm in Nairobi18:29
grembleI would like to make R900 a month at this point in time18:29
gremblexD18:29
grembleNevermind spend it18:29
gremble:P18:29
Symmetriabut you can get the same in mombassa 18:30
Symmetriaand kissumu18:30
kulelu88is nairobi near the beach?18:30
Kiloslol18:30
Symmetriano :) mombassa is ;p18:30
kulelu88AFAIK, we have the largest port in Africa but not even durbanites can get faster net18:30
Symmetriahere, I'll show you a speedtest from my house all the way to mweb in south africa18:30
Symmetriahttp://www.speedtest.net/my-result/407512996218:31
kulelu88Symmetria: 1 must have fast internet + gentle waves 18:31
gremblePlease don't send mweb any more data than needed, they are overloaded as is already18:31
grembleD:18:31
Symmetriagremble lol check that speedtest18:31
kulelu88no no no. please do not screenshot 650MB speeds... 18:31
kulelu88You are trolling us now18:31
Symmetrialol 18:33
grembleI told you not to D: haha18:33
grembleIt is constrained as it is18:33
Symmetriahehe nah not over our peering link it isnt ;p18:33
kulelu88darn, 650MB18:33
kulelu88that's like ... HD movies in less than 10 minutes18:33
octoquadSymmetria, that is insane speed...jealous now lol18:33
Symmetriakule haha thats still using < 5% of the actual capacity into my house :P18:33
kulelu88What are you doing in Kenya? Symmetria 18:34
Symmetria:p actually at that speed your average 1080p movie takes 100 seconds to download18:34
Symmetria;p18:34
Symmetriakulelu88,  heh, as i said, I head up technical strategy for liquid telecommunications18:35
Symmetriaand we have rather huge operations here, I didnt wanna leave africa, and of all the countries I coulda based myself in, Kenya was where I chose :) good choice as well18:35
Symmetriaheh, I have everything I need in Nairobi, and if I wanna get out, for 100 dollars I can jump a flight down to the coast and be scuba diving in a few hours, or if I wanna go check out wildlife, I can drive 4 hours and be smack in the heart of the masai marra, 6 hours and I'm in the serengetti 18:36
Symmetriaheh, or 4 hours in the other direction and I can be in amboselli, which has the largest concentration of elephants anywhere18:37
Symmetriaand I'll have 3G net access no matter where I can go :P18:37
Symmetrialol and for 125 bux I can get 2gig of pre-paid cellular data for when Im moving around 18:37
Symmetriathough, kenya is odd, net access and stuff = cheap, but other things are very expensive18:38
Symmetria(like rent in kenya is ridiculous)18:38
kulelu88How much is rental for a 1 bedroom in nairobi?18:39
kulelu88I wonder if the CTO of liquid telecoms is allowed to torrent stuff :?18:40
Symmetriano idea, lol, I just know that my house rent is like, $3.5k USD a month18:40
kulelu88It may have to do with the fact that gremble said your house is a mansion. This is what I see: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Kenya&city=Nairobi&displayCurrency=USD18:42
Symmetriaheh and stuff like, icecream, because its all imported, is nuts18:42
Symmetria140 zar for 2 litres of ice cream, like wtf18:42
grembleWow18:42
grembleYou may as well go have Hagen Das18:42
kulelu882000 grand rent a month18:42
gremblefor that price18:42
gremble2000 grand = 2 000 00018:43
kulelu88oh sheet18:43
grembleThat is expensive18:43
kulelu88:-/18:43
SymmetriaMeal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course27.26 $ <=== no fucking way18:43
kulelu88gremble: go study :-/18:43
SymmetriaI dont know where that figure is coming from but thats crap18:43
grembleWhy should I go study?18:43
gremblehaha18:43
Symmetriaa meal for 2 at a decent resturant here is gonna cost you $30 - $40 per head, easy18:44
Kiloshehe18:44
kulelu88Symmetria: As a fellow ubuntu member, I think you should be getting us all jobs at liquid telecoms18:44
gremblenty18:44
grembleI'll take something at the CSIR instead18:44
SymmetriaMilk (regular), (1 liter)1.01 <=== again, horseshit, its double that at least 18:44
kulelu88Numbeo is pricing from actual people. Crowdfunding info18:45
Symmetriakulelu88, heh, I dunno which people they got that pricing from18:45
Symmetriabut I can tell you, I wanna know where they are shopping and what decent resturants they are eating at those prices18:46
Symmetria;p18:46
kulelu88Symmetria: Are you buying groceries from the equivalent of woolworths in kenya or do the locals think you're a tourist and overcharge you?18:46
kulelu88:D18:46
Symmetriakulelu88, heh nah I shop at the large supermarket here 18:47
Symmetriaunless its meat, use butcheries for that cause its way way cheaper18:47
Symmetriaoh, the other thing about kenya, the cost of cars here will blow your fucking mind 18:47
Symmetriaa toyota landcruiser vx v8 in .za18:48
Symmetriais about $95K odd 18:48
Symmetriahere, its $195k 18:48
grembleBuy it here and drive it up to kenya18:48
gremblehaha18:48
kulelu88are the cars right hand drive in kenya?18:49
Symmetriaheh same as za 18:49
kulelu88gremble, let's get a horse and trailer and drive up 4x4s to kenya and sell them18:50
Symmetria:P people here drive on the correct side of the road18:50
Symmetriahaha good luck with the import duties when you get to the border, which is why they are so damn expensive18:50
grembleOk, it is like 4000km to nairobi from pretoria18:50
grembleSo it is a little far18:50
kulelu88We'll cover the costs and make a tidy profit with 20 4x4s18:50
Symmetriaheh you'd also have a hell of a drive :)18:51
gremble49h18:51
gremble+_18:51
gremble+-18:51
Symmetria:P you planning on driving over mount kilamanjaro?18:51
Symmetria;p18:51
grembleGoogle maps suggests not doing it18:51
Symmetriaheh I suppose you could drive za -> zw -> zm -> tz -> ke 18:51
gremblebut if we're taking a landcruiser, I see no point why not18:51
Symmetriabut you'd be facing some interesting roads :)18:51
grembleTaking a landcruister, the roads don't matter :P18:52
Symmetriagremble lol, I was driving the masai mara 18:52
gremblecruiser*18:52
Symmetriain prado 4x4 18:52
Symmetriaand I almost got stuck several times 18:52
Symmetriaeven in low range 4x4 18:52
grembleSomething interesting that I saw with all these people that drive into the depths of africa, they take like Nissan Patrols n stuff. No one takes a landrover really or the other "fancy" 4x4's18:53
kulelu88what's the country between zim and tz?18:53
Symmetriakule you'd have to go via malawi in that case18:53
Symmetriagood luck with that :)18:53
grembleThere is a very large lake18:53
grembleUnless you are taking a boat with18:53
grembleSorry18:53
gremble:P18:53
Symmetriaheh Ive driven around malawi18:53
Symmetriaits not easy :)18:53
Symmetriagremble nah you can drive around lake malawi18:54
Symmetriabut it aint easy going :)18:54
kulelu88I could just drive through mozambique and tanzania18:54
Symmetriakule driving through northern mozambique isnt exactly viable either18:54
grembleI think zambia is better driving than mozam18:54
kulelu8820 4x4s and 4000kms later, i'll make a tidy profit. Bribe border patrol18:54
Symmetriaheh, then again I can tell you, during the 2010 world cup18:55
Symmetriaa bunch of completely crazy dutch18:55
Symmetriadrove from holland to south africa18:55
Symmetriaand made it ;p18:55
grembleThat is pretty impressive18:55
grembleI wouldn't drive back though18:55
kulelu88first step is a truck license18:55
grembleI would sell the vehicles here and then fly back 18:55
gremblexD18:55
Symmetriagremble lol, its insanity18:55
Symmetriato do that trip they woulda had to go via somalia 18:55
Symmetriaand thats not somewhere you wanna go ;p18:56
grembleFuck that hahaha 18:56
grembleNot unless you want to get murdered18:56
gremble:P18:56
kulelu88I dont know what map you're looking at, but they wouldnt need to drive through somalia18:56
Symmetriagremble heh, the sad thing is, somalia is a beautiful place18:56
SymmetriaIve been there18:56
gremblekulelu88: Ethiopia has too many mountains18:57
grembleAnd Sudan is mostly sahara18:57
Symmetriawell, you could do djibouti -> ethiopia -> kenya but it would be very very fucking difficult18:57
Symmetria(and sudan is a virtual war zone as well)18:58
kulelu88They could go west coast of africa, spain to algeria18:58
grembleMost of Africa is a virtual war zone :P18:58
Symmetriaoh, and did I mention that in ethiopia if you drive into the country with any telecomms equipment without paperwork from the incumbent, its life in prison?18:58
kulelu88i think you could mostly survive a drive through africa, only borders would be an issue18:58
Symmetriaas in, if you got a fucking 3G router with you into ethiopia, the penalty under law for having telco equipment of any kind that isnt for the incumbent telco is life in jail18:59
grembleOh ya, they have very strict cencorship there18:59
grembleSo no Ethiopia then18:59
Symmetriaheh kulelu88 trust me, I've driven more of africa than most, and I can tell you that there are parts of it you can do with ease, there are other parts, you dont wanna do :)18:59
Symmetriafor example, the drive from dakar in .sn down to banjul in the gambia is a nice easy drive19:00
kulelu88Symmetria: You're not afrikaaner are you? Only europeans are that brave19:00
Symmetriaso long as you have good aircon cause its hot as fucking hell 19:00
Symmetriakule lol, Im an english speaking south african :) 19:00
SymmetriaI've just made a point of seeing the world :)19:01
kulelu88aah a British guy!!! I bet you've been as far as India and China also19:01
Symmetriaheh, Im still 5 countries away from my target though :(19:01
Symmetriakule heh, Ive done 95 countries in the last 8 years 19:01
Symmetriaevery continent on the planet other than antarctic 19:01
Symmetriaand more cities than I care to think about :)19:02
kulelu88How do you travel and work?19:02
Symmetriakule heh, a lot of my travel is for work19:02
SymmetriaI present at conferences all over the world 19:02
Symmetriaand I've consulted on projects all over the world19:02
kulelu88oh, you're an evangelist19:02
Symmetriamy travel schedule for the first half of this year for example19:03
grembleI just want to do the dakar (haha unfortunately in Chile :P)19:03
Symmetriatexas end of the month, then in feb I got it easy, thats just down to the coast for a week, march Im in zambia, and zimbabwe, april I'm in uganda and rwanda, may I'm in the netherlands and tunisia19:03
Symmetriaafter that I know I gotta be in peru and canada sometime in the second half of the year19:04
Symmetriaand probably in dubai and hong kong as well19:04
grembleWhat does your wife do Symmetria?19:04
kulelu88spend his money19:04
Symmetriagremble runs her own company, lol, if she gets bored I stick her on a plane to dubai and tell her to go shopping and she is no longer bored and is happy again ;p19:04
kulelu88:D19:04
grembleWell then19:04
gremblehahaha19:04
kulelu88wait, i was right??19:04
Symmetriabut I take her with me to a fair number of places, I find myself in Mauritius a lot for example for work19:05
Symmetriaand drag her with me 19:05
kulelu88You must be 1 talented guy for people to want you at conferences all over the world19:05
Symmetriakulelu88,  heh, I've just been around in this industry for a longgggg time19:05
Symmetriaand *shrug* I know the african telco market better than most and there are a hell of a lot of multi-nationals looking to expand into africa19:06
kulelu88There are other guys in the same industry for the same amount of years who havent been outside Pretoria19:06
Symmetriakule heh, thats because they never bothered to go beyond the technical side 19:06
SymmetriaI made a point of understand the politics in the industry 19:07
kulelu88You're also brave I think. Not many guys can pick up and move around19:07
Symmetriaand understanding the business side of it as well19:07
Symmetriathis industry and getting far in it, is all about understanding the politics and the business side to complement technical skill19:07
Symmetriaand about social networking, getting to know people and having a contact base is everything 19:07
kulelu88Being on IRC must be boring for you :O19:08
Symmetriakule Ive been on irc so long there were people in this channel not born when I first logged onto it19:08
Symmetria;p19:08
grembleHahaha19:09
SymmetriaI was 14 the first time I logged onto irc19:09
Symmetriaso whats that, 22 years now 19:09
grembleOh, at least I am older than you've been on irc :P19:09
kulelu88Well you cant leave this channel without offering us all jobs19:09
grembleYou're quite young though :o19:09
Symmetrialol, irc back in those days though was all about picking up women :p19:09
kulelu88gremble can be CTO-in-training and I'll be CEO-in-training19:10
Symmetriathere was even a sex chart made of who had slept with who on efnet irc network19:10
Symmetria;p19:10
grembleNow we know that there are no women :P19:10
kulelu88yeah, 36 is really young19:10
SymmetriaI think its still online :) 19:10
Symmetriahttp://www.sexchart.org/sexchart.9.4319:10
Symmetria!19:10
Symmetriaefnet sexchart19:10
Symmetriairc was awesome in those days, lol, it got me laid on every continent other than the antarctic 19:11
grembleEven Australia?19:11
Symmetriagremble of course ;p 19:12
grembleLol19:12
Symmetriagremble heh, I still admin on the efnet network19:12
Symmetriaand before freenode was freenode, it was known as a network called linpeople19:12
SymmetriaI ran one of the original 6 linpeople servers 19:13
Symmetriait was on a 64kbit line out of the iafrica pop in east london19:13
Symmetria(as in east london south africa)19:13
grembleI've driven through East Londond twice19:16
grembleBoth in horrible busses19:17
kulelu88gremble: Campus opened yet?19:17
grembleYup19:17
grembleFirst years are busy already19:17
grembleI start the 2nd19:17
kulelu88Tell me when you're setting up a linux UG. Ill drop by19:17
grembleI forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me19:18
grembleI'll have to get some manuals and stuff probably, idk :P19:18
kulelu88Burn a few DVDs I think19:18
kulelu88All the docs are stored on the system19:18
grembleYes, I should probably ask here, since I think you guys have been in more User Groups than I have xD19:19
grembleWhat should a user group provide?19:20
kulelu88Enough to help people install Linux initially19:20
kulelu88Then sync up with the GLUG19:20
grembleArch linux for everyone!19:20
grembleGLUG still up and running?19:20
Symmetriagnight all :) Im off to sleep19:22
grembleCheers Symmetria 19:22
kulelu88tc19:22
kulelu88It is up. Check meetup.com19:22
grembleDoesn't seem to be anything on GLUG there19:24
grembleor any LUG for that matter :P19:25
grembleBesides house4hack19:25
kulelu88There is this: http://www.meetup.com/Jozi-Linux-User-Group-JLUG19:25
grembleA lot of things happening in jhb19:27
gremblehaha19:27
gremble:/19:27
kulelu88Even events that could happen in PTA happen in JHB19:28
grembleglug is dead though haha19:28
kulelu88It'll pick up next month19:30
kulelu88*i think*19:30
grembleI will chat with the CS dept when I get back on campus, it seems that they provided some infrastructure support for the tlug19:33
kulelu88Tell them to donate a few server boxes19:34
grembleFor?19:34
kulelu88It'll be a great way for tinkerers to experiment with server software19:35
kulelu88openstack, etc.19:35
grembleI don't know whether they are that keen :P But I will find out what we can do19:35
grembleFirst if I have to find out whether the organisation still exists within tuks19:35
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:36
grembleNight Kilos 19:36
magespawngood evening19:40
kulelu88evening19:41
grembleHey magespawn 19:41
gremblei think I am going to hit the sack as well19:44
gremblenight everyone19:44
charlhave a good evening all20:01
smilesee you later :)20:02
magespawngood night all20:02
kulelu88octoquad: What do you use to build your web applications?20:49
octoquadPHP20:50
octoquadNormal stack would be PHP/MariaDB/jQuery/Javascript/Laravel20:51
octoquadbusy learning MongoDB through the University20:51
kulelu88Do you work for Imply IT? octoquad 20:51
octoquadyes20:51
octoquaddid you work for Imply IT20:52
octoquad?20:52
kulelu88No, but I found you through your URL. I take it you're not Anthon or Clayton?20:52
octoquadNo 20:52
octoquaddo you know them well?20:53
superflyWhy not Python?21:07
octoquadsuperfly, busy learning that as well, actually like it.21:08
octoquad:)21:08
octoquadpart of the mongodb course is to use python, bottle and pymongo21:08
superflyPHP is braindead21:09
octoquadI don't know what you mean by that, care to explain21:10
superflyhttps://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7226/7095238893_5000f6e57d.jpg21:10
octoquadbwhahaha21:10
superflyYou can hammer in nails with the side, sorta.21:10
superflyThat's the best illustration I've ever come across which describes PHP to a tee21:11
octoquadhave you worked with superfly?21:11
octoquadwith it*21:11
superflyoctoquad: I worked with PHP for 6 years21:11
superflyMore than that, actually.21:12
superflyWhen I eventually started learning Python, I wondered why the heck I ever gave PHP the light of day.21:12
octoquadI've been on and off with it for roughly 8, hence me looking at other languages now21:12
superflyThe easiest way to learn another language is to use it in a project of some sort.21:13
octoquadyup21:13
octoquador look at other peoples code to see how they put things together21:13
octoquadI read this and added Python to my list of languages to learn for the year: https://www.paypal-engineering.com/2014/12/10/10-myths-of-enterprise-python/?imm_mid=0c8be4&cmp=em-prog-na-na-newsltr_20141213_test_no_images21:15
octoquadsuperfly, another problem I have is actually finding good PHP developers in durban to recruit.21:17
superflyoctoquad: my problem is that PHP coders are not developers, they are PHP programmers21:17
superflythey only know PHP, and they don't want to learn anything else. they also don't know how to code well.21:18
octoquadwell, I suppose that depends on their understanding of the language and what they consider "Beautiful code" really. 21:20
octoquadI've seen some weird things21:21
superflyoctoquad: I'm currently working on Bootstrap/AngularJS (+jQuery) for the frontend, and flask (Python) on Google App Engine for the backend.21:23
octoquadcool :) 21:26
octoquadsuperfly, the thing is, and let's be honest, you have to choose the correct stack on a per project basis. One size doesn't always fit all.21:26
octoquadwhat you building btw?21:27
superflyoctoquad: and PHP is never the correct stack.21:27
octoquadok, I get the fact you hate it now, but it's still useful lol21:27
superflyinternal dashboards 21:27
octoquadalways fun :)21:28
superflyI don't hate it, I just think that there are WAY better options.21:28
octoquadoh absolutely, but it's hard to change a stack when you have over 200 projects built on it21:28
superflyI'm not saying you must change it21:28
octoquadno no21:28
octoquadI know that21:28
superflybut when you start a new one, use something better21:28
superflyI left a job because they forced me to do PHP ;-)21:29
octoquadhehe21:29
octoquadthat for me, is really trying hard to make work unpleasant for some one...especially if they are good in another language, more productive and can get the same result in roughly the same or less time.21:31
superflyI gotta crash. night all\21:41
octoquadnight21:41
kulelu88what superfly is trying to say is that keep supporting your PHP legacy products, but move to a nicer language. 21:43
octoquadyup, that's the only way to transition really.21:54
EvilDMPoctoquad: hi22:32
EvilDMPand everyone22:32
EvilDMPoctoquad: maybe you'd be interested in http://python-namibia.org22:32
octoquadThanks EvilDMP 22:44
octoquadnot sure if I'll make it this year, but i'll definitely be keen to check it out in the future.22:45
octoquadWill you have videos available?22:45
EvilDMPoctoquad: of the talks, yes22:48
EvilDMPthe main aim of the event is to help kickstart the community there22:48
octoquadEvilDMP, please could you send me a link when they are ready...22:49
EvilDMPand with a bit of luck, next year they'll be inviting everyone back 22:49
octoquadI see22:49
octoquadWell best of luck, hopefully it's a success :)22:49
octoquadafter my conversation with superfly, I've been reading up about PHP vs Python vs Other languages22:50
EvilDMPthanks octoquad 22:50

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