[05:00] <Kilos> morning charl  ambo_  bduk1  inetpro  Trixar_za  and others
[05:00] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos
[05:01] <Trixar_za> How did you know I was here?
[05:01] <Kilos> i know everything
[05:01] <Kilos> hehe
[05:01] <Kilos> no man konversation is like xchat , it shows peeps online
[05:09] <Trixar_za> I'm updating my minetest server and mods
[05:09] <Trixar_za> Maybe adding a few of more and modifying some :P
[05:10] <Kilos> cool
[05:11] <Kilos> work on me getting free data then ill come play
[05:27] <Kilos> bduk1  bduk2   wat nou
[05:27] <Kilos> boetie kom kuier?
[05:39] <bduk2> More Kilos  en almal
[05:40] <bduk2> Ek werf meer ouens vir ubuntu man 
[05:40] <Kilos> mooi man
[05:40] <Kilos> hehe
[05:41] <Kilos> soos die engelsman wat hier is ook\
[05:42] <bduk2> Sien ek het 3 devices so 'n user op elkeen dan is ons klaar 3 meer
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:44] <bduk2> Hoe gaan dit vanmore daar by jou Kilos 
[05:45] <Trixar_za> That should be all of them
[05:45] <Kilos> voel bietjie swak vandag, weet nie hoekom nie
[05:46] <Kilos> thats really a lekker game hey Trixar_za  
[05:47] <Trixar_za> areas, bridges, moreblocks, moreores, creatures, homedecor, 3d_armor, u_skinsdb, worldedit, shooter, travelnet, unified_inventory
[05:48] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but adding parts can be a pain because your balancing functionality with resources requirements
[05:48] <Kilos> oh my, do you fight the monsters
[05:48] <Kilos> they used to kill me so we turned it off
[05:48] <Trixar_za> Yeah, 3d_armor adds swords and armor, shooter adds guns, and creatures add zombies
[05:49] <Kilos> lol
[05:49] <Trixar_za> u_skinsdb should add skins you can choose from
[05:49] <Trixar_za> :P
[05:51] <Trixar_za> I don't actually want the zombies to randomly spawn. I want them to spawn in a certain place. One player made a 'troll hole' - you fall a long way and I created some buffers with water so the fall doesn't kill you.
[05:51] <Trixar_za> There used to be no way back without powers or using /home
[05:51] <Kilos> lol i died in holes a few times too
[05:51] <Trixar_za> So I created a little room filled with zombies. At the end of it, you can use the teleporter to get back.
[05:51] <Trixar_za> or die trying - lol
[05:51] <Kilos> i had to mine my way up with a pick back then
[05:53] <Trixar_za> That's where travelnet is useful. You can make travel boxes (teleporters) between places
[05:53] <Kilos> ya we had that
[05:53] <Trixar_za> It also comes with a elevator, but that's just a teleporter that allows you to move up or down between two boxes
[05:53] <Kilos> and teleporting was great
[05:54] <Kilos> saved lots of tired legs
[05:55] <Trixar_za> and long trips up or down ladders :P
[05:56] <Kilos> ya
[05:56] <Kilos> did you ever go see my mine in the deep?
[05:56] <Trixar_za> My server is running at rock.gigirc.com if you want to check it out
[05:56] <Trixar_za> No :P
[05:56] <Kilos> i think it was 5 ks down on a ladder
[05:57] <Trixar_za> Still have to update the mods on my server though
[05:57] <Kilos> im limited to 35m a day atm so min online stuff
[05:58] <Kilos> month end is still so far away
[05:58] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it can be a bit data intensive
[05:59] <Kilos> hi octoquad  did you see the flies mail about apt-offline
[06:01] <octoquad> morning Kilos
[06:01] <octoquad> yes, I did
[06:01] <Kilos> and charls follow up
[06:01] <octoquad> Same as http://www.debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT
[06:01] <Kilos> you can work on that if you like
[06:05] <Kilos> ohi superhuman  wb
[06:06] <superhuman> aweh Kilos
[06:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo 'lo
[07:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:05] <inetpro> superhuman: wb
[07:06] <inetpro> superfly: only problem with apt-offline is that it's not installed by default, at least not on 14.04
[07:07] <inetpro> rephrase: first problem with apt-offline*
[07:08] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie more
[07:10] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:11] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[07:11] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:24] <Kilos> http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/77591/eskom-load-shedding-schedule-to-april-2015/
[07:24] <Kilos> ai!
[07:46] <Kilos> yay apt-offline has a gui
[07:47] <Kilos> will try it out before the meeting hopefully
[07:57] <inetpro> but Kilos, you had to install it?
[07:57] <Kilos> yes but thats so easy
[07:57] <inetpro> what if you're offline?
[07:57] <Kilos> synaptic or aptitude
[07:58] <Kilos> well then one needs to be able to supply the packages first
[07:58] <inetpro> that's my point
[07:58] <Kilos> yes
[07:59] <Kilos> so having the repo on hand is also needed
[07:59] <Kilos> or maybe using apt-rdepends and getting all the relevant packages
[08:01] <Kilos> i still think using remastersys to make a live dvd with all these extras already installed might help
[08:01] <Kilos> maybe we can start a collection so we can buy the source and make it our own fork
[08:02] <Kilos> the guy wants $50
[08:03] <mazal> love remastersys , re-installed so many pc's without hassle thanx to that app
[08:03] <Kilos> i think we should try get it
[08:04] <mazal> But I doubt that old version will still work onwards , I already had to do a tweak on 10.04 Lubuntu to get it to work
[08:04] <mazal> 14.04 even
[08:04] <Kilos> i used it on 14.04 works fine
[08:04] <mazal> Unity yes , but Lubuntu needs a tweak
[08:04] <Kilos> no tweaking just i used the gui
[08:04] <Kilos> ah
[08:05] <mazal> lightdm config files that moved
[08:05] <Kilos> oh wait i useit on 12.04
[08:05] <mazal> Easy fix though
[08:05] <Kilos> install gdm
[08:05] <mazal> And on Kubuntu it also refuses if you haven't done some login settings options yet
[08:05] <Kilos> ?
[08:06] <Kilos> well fix it for kde then ill try it here
[08:06] <charl> good morning
[08:06] <mazal> What's the error you get Kilos ?
[08:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:06]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:06] <Kilos> hi charl  
[08:06] <charl> hi Kilos, mazal, inetpro 
[08:06] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:06] <mazal> remastersys works 100% on my Kubuntu
[08:06] <mazal> Hi charl 
[08:07] <Kilos> what did you change on login settings
[08:07] <mazal> It refuses says that lightdm is not setup , but all I did was go into system settings and made some changes to login options.
[08:08] <mazal> I changed changed the userbar to classic
[08:08] <mazal> Then remastersys ran fine
[08:09] <Kilos> i dont see login options
[08:09] <mazal> Now I must add , the resulting iso doesn't have an install option if you select the " boot live cd ". You must select the install at the boot screen
[08:09] <mazal> Right at the bottom under system administration
[08:10] <mazal> There's one that says "login screen"
[08:10] <Kilos> oh ya ty
[08:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:10] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[08:10] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[08:11] <mazal> I changed "user bar" to "classic" , that's it , nothing else
[08:11] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:11] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:12] <Kilos> wbb got to go pick mulberry leaves for my sick lamb
[08:56] <Squirm> hello
[08:59] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is so cool http://mybroadband.co.za/news/gadgets/117096-your-entire-pc-in-a-mouse.html
[09:24] <bduk2> Kilos:  what is mulberrys
[09:24] <Kilos> moerbye
[09:24] <bduk2> ok does it help the sheep
[09:24] <Kilos> leaves very healthy
[09:25] <Kilos> healthier than grass alone
[09:25] <bduk2> ok whats wrong with the sheep
[09:25] <Kilos> it got some bug and was totally lame. i check for verlamming bosluise but found none
[09:26] <Kilos> for three days it just lay there , i had to pipe water down its throat
[09:27] <inetpro> is it getting better Kilos?
[09:27] <Kilos> then it got a bit better but didnt know how to eat, so i pushed 1 leaf at a time to back of tongue
[09:27] <Kilos> ya it stands for 5 mins at a time now but can only reverse because front legs are weak
[09:28] <Kilos> but it vreets
[09:28] <Kilos> it couldnt drink water for first 2 weeks either , all had to be piped, then it tried to chew the water
[09:29] <Kilos> now at least it drinks on its own
[09:29] <Kilos> must have been some brain damage 
[09:30] <Kilos> now i can put a bowl of water there and it drinks and a pile of leaves in fronty of it is good for the food
[09:30] <Kilos> but when it stands up it reverses away from everything
[09:30] <Kilos> hehe
[09:31] <Kilos> so i spend lots of time moving food
[09:32] <Kilos> eats about 1/2 wheelbarrow full of leaves everyday
[09:32] <Kilos> and eats lots of knapse kerels
[09:33] <inetpro> Kilos: good, as long as there is progress it makes it worth it, hope it gets better soon
[09:33] <Kilos> the kerels are a natural antibiotic
[09:33] <Kilos> ty
[09:33] <Kilos> me too its a ewe
[09:33] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: very interesting indeed, not sure it is completely practical 
[09:34] <Kilos> that mouse  pc is a wonderful idea
[09:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i know but something doesn't necessarily have to be practical to be cool
[09:34] <inetpro> a PC in a keyboard would perhaps be more practical
[09:34] <Kilos> lol
[09:34] <Kilos> ya how do you type
[09:35] <inetpro> would be very cool for presentations
[09:35] <Kilos> yeah
[09:35] <inetpro> but then, with mobile phones we don't even need to go there anymore 
[09:35] <mazal> inetpro, that reminds me of my first "pc"
[09:36] <mazal> Commodore 64 , everything in the keyboard\
[09:36] <Kilos> eish fones 
[09:36] <inetpro> all we need is wifi integration with projectors and mobile 
[09:36] <Kilos> they for kids
[09:36] <Kilos> even whatsapp is a mission
[09:37] <mazal> Connected tape drive to it , started loading the app and waited 40 minutes for it to load lol
[09:37] <bduk2> Kilos:  ekt gou my vrou gevra om bietjie in die veesiekte boek te kyk
[09:38] <Kilos> monnig and veldtman?
[09:38] <mazal> Bout one year later a floppy drive came out for it and we though " wow boet , this is so awesome !! " :) Good times
[09:40] <Kilos> dit was baie vreemd bduk2  dit het in die kraal in gehardloop in die aand en volgende oggend was lam
[09:40] <Kilos> verlammings bosluis maak laat hulle nie kan opstaan nie maar kan nog eet en drink
[09:41] <Kilos> al wat ek kan dink is slang byt
[09:42] <Kilos> die ander ene wat selle gedoen het is dood na drie dae
[09:42] <Kilos> amper soos n mens in n koma in die begin
[09:43] <Kilos> maar nou as sy my sien skree sy al vir nog blare
[09:44] <Kilos> as dit n ram was het ek keelaf gesny
[09:45] <Kilos> maar in die laaste maand het sy amper in grote verdubbel
[09:45] <bduk2> baie snaaks. Onthou nie so iets by ons skape nie my vrou ook nie. Gee haar 'n spuit teremycin. ons spuit ons skape baie daarvan. Is dit 'n ooi wat dragtig is?
[09:46] <Kilos> ek het berenil gespy
[09:46] <Kilos> gespyt
[09:46] <Kilos> dis ook oxytetracycline
[09:46] <Kilos> en n week later penicillin gegee
[09:47] <Kilos> en ontwurm 
[09:47] <mazal> Oom Kilos , die was my eerste pc : http://is.gd/0OYNIj
[09:47] <mazal> Ek voel nou skoon nostalgies
[09:47] <Kilos> sjoe mazal  
[09:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <bduk2> Mazal moenie huil nie asb
[09:48] <mazal> My moeder het nog haar flou gespaar om een vir my te kon koop
[09:48] <Kilos> bduk2  al wat ek kan dink is slang met neuro toksien gif
[09:49] <Kilos> want eks seker daar was brein skade, want dit het vergeet hoe om te eet of drink
[09:50] <Kilos> voorentoe sal ek haar bloed gebruik om ander te inokuleer
[09:50] <bduk2> glo nie dan sou sy al lankal ophou asemhaal het. Jy moet tog merke of swelling sien
[09:50] <Kilos> die wol te dik man
[09:51] <Kilos> merino x vleis merino x landskaap
[09:51] <bduk2> glo nie slang sou deur wol byt nie sal in gesig of op bene wees
[09:52] <Kilos> wel watever dit was dit lyk of sy dit gaan oorleef
[09:53] <bduk2> Kilos:  se net weer die simptome
[09:53] <Kilos> heeltemal lam
[09:54] <Kilos> net oe en longe het nog gewerk
[09:54] <bduk2> My vrou gaan 'n vriend van ons vra wat baie goed is met diere hy is amper ons lokale veearts hier.
[09:54] <Kilos> dankie
[09:55] <bduk2> sys nie dragtig nie?
[09:55] <Kilos> maar soos ek se die ander een wat so gemaak het was binne drie dae dood
[09:55] <Kilos> nee man sy is nou eers 4 maande oud
[09:57] <Kilos> #ubuntu-farming
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[09:57] <bduk2> hoelank is die een al so?
[09:57] <Kilos> 1 maand
[09:58] <bduk2> So lank
[09:58] <Kilos> sy lyk heel gesond, net swak
[09:58] <Kilos> ya
[09:59] <Kilos> van die 21ste december
[09:59] <Kilos> ek onthou dit want sus was selle dag op pad na haar dogter in namibia
[10:01] <Kilos> dis nie n siekte nie , dis iets wat die spiere en verstand aangetas het
[10:01] <Kilos> eerste keer wat ek dit sien
[10:05] <Kilos> that and this membership thing has kept my head spinning in overdrive
[10:05] <Kilos> 7200rpm
[10:11] <bduk2> Die ou is besig met studente sal jou laatweet sodra ek weet of anders kan ek sy nommer vir jou gee dan kan jy hom bel as jy wil Kilos 
[10:23] <Kilos> dankie maar bel is duur.
[10:24] <Kilos> al my geld gaan vir data en pc goed
[10:24] <bduk2> Dis ok Kilos  sal hom bel as hy ete het. kyk hier solank http://landbou.com/kundiges/vra-vir-faffa/lamsiekte/
[10:24] <Kilos> daar is geen haas nie , want sy verber daagliks
[10:25] <Kilos> verbeter
[10:25] <Kilos> nee man wag tot hy tyd het
[10:25] <Kilos> etenstyd is belangrik
[10:26] <Kilos> hmm... botu;lism
[10:26] <Kilos> maar als vrek van dit
[10:32] <Kilos> sjoe wie weet
[10:33] <Kilos> ek glo dat as sy nou nog nie dood is nie sal sy nie vrek nie
[10:48] <bduk2> Sorry Kilos  gou bietjie besig geraak. Ken nie veel van die diere dinge nie maar ons probeer maar
[10:49] <Kilos> np
[10:49] <Kilos> moenie baie worrie nie seun , sy is verby die ergste
[10:53] <bduk2> Nou daai artikel gaan lees en dit lyk nogal na jou skaap se simptome
[10:54] <Kilos> ja baie maar sy het nie uit die bek geskuim nie
[10:56] <Kilos> maar as dit lamsiekte was is sy nou darem goed ge ent daarteen. sal moet rondloop en kyk vir ander doeie diere se bene in die plek
[10:56] <Kilos> ai!
[10:56] <bduk2> Ok die boere is klaar  (vir eers) terug na die ubuntu manne
[10:56] <Kilos> kan enigiets wees tot n dooi rot
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:57] <Kilos> dankie
[10:57] <Kilos> maaz change topic
[10:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[10:58] <Kilos> sorry for the off topic ranting guys
[11:01] <mazal> Is there a way I can increase the text size overall of everything on Kubuntu ?\
[11:01] <Kilos> ya
[11:01] <Kilos> lemme check
[11:02] <mazal> A text size setting that change all text in all apps
[11:02] <Kilos> application appearance
[11:03] <Kilos> then fonts
[11:03] <mazal> Ah ok I see , then " adjust all fons ? "
[11:03] <Kilos> at the bottom i ticked force fonts and made it 104
[11:04] <Kilos> that too i have at 12
[11:04] <mazal> Kewl , that works , except for my irc window 
[11:04] <Kilos> en ek lees nou lekker
[11:04] <Kilos> irc you set in the client
[11:05] <Kilos> i use konversation because its easier to change things
[11:05] <mazal> The channel list at the left changed , just this main screen inside the channel didn't
[11:05] <Kilos> what client
[11:06] <mazal> xchat
[11:06] <Kilos> oi
[11:06] <mazal> Maybe I must close and open the room
[11:06] <Kilos> no man you corrupting kde
[11:06] <mazal> nope , that didn't work
[11:06] <Kilos> install konversation
[11:06] <Kilos> you corrupt kde with xchat
[11:07] <mazal> I can't find a setting for it , can't be
[11:07] <Kilos> you can change konversation to look just like xchat
[11:07] <Kilos> xchat is no longer supported i think
[11:08] <mazal> Aha found it
[11:08] <Kilos> if you must use one of them use hexchat
[11:08] <Kilos> in xchat?
[11:08] <mazal> Daarsy , nice and big now. yep xchat
[11:08] <Kilos> my
[11:09] <Kilos> oh it doesnt give lekker alerts
[11:09] <Kilos> gives bell.oga
[11:09] <Kilos> pling
[11:11] <bduk2> Kilos:  kan ons gou weer landbou gesels?
[11:13] <bduk2> Daai ou se jy moet kyk vir wurms anders kan dit ook 'n kalsium tekort wees. jy kan kalcitet spuit vir die kalsium
[11:13] <Kilos> ja
[11:13] <Kilos> hehe
[11:15] <Kilos> ek het ontwurm met seponver wat ook melk lindwurm doen na twee weke van lam word
[11:15] <Kilos> en vanoggend met ivomec super
[11:16] <Kilos> die kalk ding kan miskien help ja want as diere begin ou bene kou dan wys dit na kalk tekort ek dink
[11:17] <Kilos> maar ek weet nie of dit die oorsaak was nie
[11:17] <Kilos> sy staan en eet blare lekker nou, ek kan net nie die xperia te kry wer vir kiekie neem nie
[11:17] <Kilos> grrr
[11:18] <Kilos> se vir hom ek se dankie
[11:24] <bduk2> Ek maak so Kilos 
[11:26] <bduk2> daai kalsium goed is Calsi tet spuit 10ml onder die vel in
[11:26] <Kilos> sal so maak as sus kans kry om te gaan koop dankie
[11:27] <bduk2> Terug na ubuntu voor daai kwaai manne ons afskop hier
[11:27] <Kilos> hehe
[11:27] <mazal_test> oom Kilos, I'm having a look at konversation now
[11:28] <Kilos> its very lekker and you kan press ctrl+R and it makes a line for if you go away and dont want to scroll past where you were
[11:29] <mazal_test> How do I remove/reset that line ?
[11:29] <Kilos> many settings in konversation under settings configure konversation and configure notifications
[11:29] <Kilos> why remove it
[11:29] <Kilos> leave it there
[11:30] <mazal_test> When you caught up an are bavk and have to leave again and want to put a new line
[11:30] <Kilos> i use it to keep different chats apart
[11:30] <mazal_test> oh nevermind , I see just ctl-r again
[11:30] <Kilos> you just add a new one again
[11:30] <Kilos> oh
[11:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:33] <Kilos> oi
[11:35] <Kilos> wat breek jy nou?
[11:35] <mazal> At first it looks a bit more colorful
[11:35] <mazal> Settings was easy to configure , like that
[11:35] <Kilos> jy kan tot die kanale op die linkerkant kry soos xchat
[11:36] <Kilos> and you kan see smileys
[11:36] <mazal> :)
[11:36] <mazal> No I cant
[11:36] <mazal> :-)
[11:36] <Kilos> https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks
[11:36] <mazal> Must I enable it ?
[11:36] <Kilos> i think its in there
[11:36] <Kilos> you add some text to somewhere
[11:37] <Kilos> number 6
[11:39] <mazal> Will try later , if I remember
[11:39] <Kilos> lemme tell you
[11:39] <mazal> I also like that I can just click on a link and it opens
[11:39] <Kilos> sudo nano ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc
[11:39] <mazal> Xchat I had to right-click and tell it to open
[11:40] <Kilos> ya kde is very cool
[11:40] <Kilos> add 
[11:40] <Kilos> Themes]
[11:40] <Kilos>  EmotIconTheme=Default
[11:40] <Kilos>  EnableEmotIcons=true
[11:40] <mazal> Chat window is bigger as well , also like that
[11:41] <Kilos>  [themes]
[11:41] <Kilos> are you doing it?
[11:41] <mazal> Will do later like I said oom. Don't want to edit config files now
[11:41] <Kilos> its fast and simple man
[11:42] <mazal> Smileys is not important enough this time of day :P
[11:42] <Kilos> theree lines to add
[11:42] <Kilos> it makes it prettier
[11:42] <mazal> ai
[11:42] <Kilos> haha
[11:42] <Kilos> then you kan see peeps stick tongue out at you
[11:42] <mazal> ok dan , laat ek dit tog maar doen
[11:42] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Have you seen http://sakis3g.com ?
[11:43] <Kilos> will look Trixar_za  have you fixed it
[11:43] <Trixar_za> No, somebody else bought the domain to provide Sakis3g
[11:43] <Kilos> oh
[11:44] <Trixar_za> he's providing the old version, but I'm trying to get him to provide mine
[11:44] <Kilos> hi smile  
[11:44] <Kilos> ya convince him , yours is better and can see more modems
[11:45] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[11:45] <Kilos> mazal  waar is jy nou
[11:45] <mazal> :)
[11:45] <mazal> Dit werkie
[11:45] <Kilos> man
[11:45] <Kilos> wil jy my epos addy leen
[11:45] <mazal> Hoekom ?
[11:45] <Kilos> you add those three lines then ctrl+o
[11:45] <mazal> did
[11:46] <Kilos> then enter then ctrl+x
[11:46] <mazal> did
[11:46] <Kilos> then restart konversation
[11:46] <mazal> Oh must I restart ?
[11:46] <Kilos> i dunno try it
[11:46] <mazal> ROTFLOL , ek mors net met oom, dis seker obvious hy moet restart :)
[11:47] <Kilos> konversation rocks
[11:47] <mazal> I emmulated one of my own users now <eg>
[11:47] <Kilos> Maaz  hit mazal  
[11:47] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[11:47] <Kilos> ai!
[11:48] <Kilos> :)
[11:48] <mazal> Ok oom , my smileys werk nou
[11:48] <Kilos> mooi gaan werk nou
[11:49] <mazal> Nee ek willie
[11:49] <Kilos> lolol
[11:49] <mazal> Where was I before all this konversation thing happened ?
[11:50] <Kilos> xchat text too small
[11:50] <mazal> Oooh ja !!! lemme check this one's options for that
[11:51] <Kilos> it should work with the default settings i think
[11:51] <Kilos> set fonts
[11:51] <Kilos> settings configure fonts
[11:55] <mazal> Ek kannie nou dit kyk nie , oom het gese ek moet gaan werk :P
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <Kilos> :P
[11:58] <Kilos> hehe i <3 kde
[12:03] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[12:03] <Kilos> oi
[12:07] <mazal> Ja nee oom , it's early days yet , but I must say I like K a lot so far. Really nice
[12:07] <Kilos> the best
[12:08] <mazal> Why you didn't tell me long ago to try it ?
[12:08] <Kilos> you will see, it doesnt break easily
[12:08] <Kilos> i have been trying for a year now but you had excuses
[12:09] <Kilos> soos nie nou tyd om nuwe goed te leer nie
[12:09] <mazal> issie
[12:10] <Kilos> and you liked unity and didnt see a reason to change
[12:10] <mazal> Kannie weesie , ekke ?
[12:10] <Kilos> ja ja
[12:10] <mazal> lol
[12:11] <Kilos> eks seker jy het in die agtergrond gese wat weet die ou toppie
[12:11] <Kilos> jy vergeet ek leer van die meesters
[12:11] <mazal> Hehe , nee die probleem was maar tyd , en die laaste een wat ek getry het se instability
[12:11] <mazal> Dink dit was 11.10 , kan nie eers onthou nie
[12:12] <mazal> Het my baie kopsere gegee daai een
[12:12] <Kilos> hehe
[12:13] <Kilos> as tyd altyd n probleem is dan hou by die lts releases
[12:13] <mazal> Ja dis wat ek doen , van 12.04 af gebruik ek net LTS , niks anders nie
[12:13] <Kilos> dasn is dit net in jare tyd dat jy nog moet werk
[12:14] <mazal> Eenkeer in 2 jaar install is nie bad nie
[12:16] <Kilos> nee
[12:16] <Kilos> ek dink ook dis miskien beter om te wag vir die .1
[12:16] <Kilos> 14.04.1
[12:17] <Kilos> dan is als al gesorteer
[12:17] <mazal> ê
[12:17] <mazal> ë
[12:17] <Kilos> hehe
[12:18] <mazal> Het nou eers die composite key setting gesoek , en gekry
[12:18] <Kilos> ja kde het als
[12:18] <mazal> compose key even
[12:19] <mazal> Ek sê altyd vir myself ek gaan wag vir die .1 release , maar dan is ek te haastig om die nuwe ubu te try en wag nooit tot dan nie. Ek doen myne gewoonlik so 2 weke na release
[12:22] <Kilos> ja dis moelik maar beter om eers te toets op n ander skyf of virtual ding
[12:49] <mazal> Bye all , have a nice evening
[15:48] <Kilos> hi smile  
[15:48] <Kilos> :)
[16:08] <Kilos> wooot lammetjie look so wankelrig rond en soek self bossies en gras om te vreet
[16:43] <Gremble> Hey
[16:51] <Kilos> ohi Gremble  
[16:52] <Kilos> you learning hard?
[16:52] <Gremble> The power was off, so I took a nap instead
[16:52] <Gremble> :P
[17:17] <Kilos> hi captine  
[17:17] <captine> hi Kilos 
[17:17] <Kilos> dont stick your tongue out at me gremble  
[17:18] <gremble> c==|:
[17:18] <Kilos> my daughter also used to do that till i threatnened to bite it off
[17:18] <gremble> That is really creepy
[17:18] <Kilos> with that i only see text
[17:19] <Kilos> actually lots of peeps use that emoticon
[17:20] <Kilos> thats why i make emoticons work in konversation so i can see who sticks tongue out at me
[17:20] <gremble> :P
[17:20] <Kilos> haha
[17:20] <Kilos> :)
[17:21] <Symmetria> hrm
[17:21] <Symmetria> so, western digital
[17:21] <Kilos> oh gremble  /me grumbles
[17:21] <Symmetria> bought hitachi
[17:21] <Symmetria> wtf did that happen
[17:21] <Kilos> aw now i forgot why
[17:22] <Kilos> hi Symmetria  you supposed to greet before ranting
[17:23] <Kilos> oh ya gremble did ibid python beat you?
[17:23] <Kilos> or you forgot
[17:23] <Symmetria> lol sorrt
[17:23] <Symmetria> sorry
[17:24] <gremble> It beat me. There is just so much to do to get it to 3
[17:24] <gremble> :/
[17:25] <Kilos> aw
[17:26] <captine> Symmetria, hitachi no good?
[17:26] <Kilos> we gonna have to beg the weed to make some time
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz  google #ibid on irc
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ibid in Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/ibid :: "Ibid chat bot - Launchpad Blog" http://blog.launchpad.net/projects/ibid-chat-bot :: "caktus/hal · GitHub" https://github.com/caktus/hal :: "Ibid – Freecode" http://www.freecode.com/projects/ibid :: "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots - Wikipedia, the free ..."
[17:27] <Maaz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots :: "IRC Networks > Atrum > Channels" http://search.mibbit.com/…
[17:28] <Kilos> oh ya atrum
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz  ibid channel
[17:30] <Maaz> irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org
[17:30] <Symmetria> captine,  heh actually HGCS (the old hitachi) produce some of the best NAS drives around
[17:30] <Symmetria> and they are world specialists in huge capacity disks
[17:30] <Symmetria> but I was just suprised they were now owned by WD
[17:35] <inetpro> Symmetria: that a good thing or a bad thang?
[17:38] <inetpro> wb smile
[17:38] <smile> hi inetpro :)
[17:38] <smile> thanks
[17:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:39] <smile> I'm converting 200 tabs to one single PDF :P
[17:39] <inetpro> is it just me or is wiki.ubuntu.com slow for everyone else?
[17:39] <smile> I'm curious ;)
[17:39] <Kilos> slow today inetpro  
[17:39] <Kilos> was much faster yesterday
[17:39] <smile> inetpro: fast enough for me :)
[17:40] <smile> (just viewing)
[17:40] <Kilos> where is our fly?
[17:40] <gremble> all zipped up
[17:40] <inetpro> smile: I'm also just viewing, but the speed varies from acceptable to very very slow
[17:40] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <smile> Kilos: what do you mean? :p
[17:41] <Kilos> what do you mean what do i mean smile  
[17:41] <smile> "where is our fly?é
[17:41] <smile> * "where is our fly?"
[17:41] <Kilos> oh my
[17:41] <smile> oh my fly. :P
[17:41] <smile> :o
[17:41] <Kilos> there is only one
[17:41] <smile> why dont you get another one? :p
[17:42] <Kilos> superfly  dodo
[17:42] <Kilos> did you now google what a dodo is
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <smile>  full of energy, vitality, or daring: the go-go generation
[17:43] <smile> :p
[17:43] <Kilos> dodo not gogo
[17:43] <Kilos> extinct bird
[17:44] <Kilos> was too friendly and lovable, didnt run away from enemies
[17:44] <smile> oh yeah, dodo, I remember
[17:44] <Kilos> :-)
[17:44] <gremble> Birds are neither friendly nor lovable >.>
[17:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:45] <Kilos> demi moore is both
[17:46] <Kilos> ok then maybe the dodo was too stupid to run
[17:46] <gremble> Is it possibly to be friendly and unlovable? or unfriendly and lovable?
[17:47] <Kilos> you will learn that in time
[17:48] <Kilos> wiki fast now here inetpro  
[17:49] <Kilos> whew africa has min ubuntu locos
[17:49] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:51] <captine> Symmetria, wow.  didnt realize wd owned them
[17:51] <captine> I am a fan of the WD Red drives.  seem solid.  Thought Hitachi used to run hotter (like the old maxtors)
[18:01] <Symmetria> captine heh, I was specifically looking for high speed 6TB disks
[18:01] <Symmetria> HGCS also makes the only 8TB disks available as far as I know
[18:02] <Symmetria> HGST I mean
[18:02] <Symmetria> heh I just bought 6 HGST 6TB disks
[18:02] <Symmetria> 7200 RPM 6TB disk = fast as HELL
[18:03] <Symmetria> because on a 6TB disk, the number of platters and how close the data is together makes them fast even at 5400 RPM
[18:03] <Symmetria> at 7200 RPM those things are sick
[18:10] <Symmetria> heh the best performing 6TB disk is still the seagate enterprise class 
[18:10] <Symmetria> but they are $100 more expensive per drive 
[18:10] <gremble> Is that specifically 6TB disks Symmetria?
[18:11] <Symmetria> gremble, 4TB disks same thing, 4TB standard disks are fast 
[18:11] <Symmetria> but they arent as fast as 6TB disks
[18:11] <Symmetria> cache on the disk also helps, standard desktop drives have like 64meg of it, the more advaced drives are 128
[18:11] <gremble> That is pretty interesting, that there are specific sizes that have speed improvements over other sizes
[18:11] <gremble> :o
[18:12] <Symmetria> gremble well, think about it, data is packed closer together on a larger drive
[18:12] <Symmetria> so the heads dont have to travel as far to seek the same amount of data
[18:12] <Symmetria> benchmark a 1TB disk vs any 3TB disk
[18:12] <Symmetria> you'll see a big difference
[18:12] <gremble> Perhaps for continious blocks, but searching for abitrary data shouldnt be faster like that
[18:13] <inetpro> what is the maximum size that you can get in SSD these days?
[18:13] <captine> So... i have managed to get my IT department to give me 2 ubuntu lts vm's in our datacentre.  One running a bunch of test software (orangehrm, drupal as an interim intranet test etc).  The other is dedicated to gitlab...  Spent all day getting active directory to work on the drupal install and the gitlab... what a pain
[18:13] <Symmetria> gremble it is actually, because the chances are its still closer together cause of how densly the data is packed 
[18:13] <Symmetria> inetpro 1TB SSD's are pretty common
[18:13] <Symmetria> havent seen anything much bigger than that
[18:13] <gremble> That is pretty cool though
[18:14] <Symmetria> I use a 768 gig SSD as my boot drive 
[18:14] <captine> Symmetria, i just got a 3TB WD Red... i am happy
[18:14] <Symmetria> captine yeah, the WD Red's are good disks, I just want more performance than I will get outta that
[18:15] <captine> u using it for work?  what sort of workload/
[18:15] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[18:15] <captine> ?
[18:15] <Symmetria> but both WD Red's and HGST disks are meant for hard work, they will fail less than standard desktop disks
[18:15] <captine> mine is just for home NAS
[18:15] <Symmetria> captine heh, my home storage, but my home storage takes a beating cause of the speed I download at ;p
[18:15] <Symmetria> my disks were capping out when I was downloading crap ;p
[18:15] <kulelu88> Hello folks
[18:15] <captine> ok.  i dont want to hear of download speeds... we stuck here.... :(
[18:16] <Symmetria> here = .za?
[18:16] <captine> yip
[18:16] <captine> where u ad?
[18:16] <captine> at?
[18:16] <Symmetria> lol yes .za lags behind most of the world :) but lol, I'm in Kenya 
[18:16] <Symmetria> and my net access well, its fast :p
[18:16] <captine> what speed there?
[18:16] <Symmetria> but then again, Ive made a point of making sure that no matter where I go, I always end up with fast net 
[18:16] <Symmetria> lol I have 2 x 10G lines into my house ;p
[18:17] <captine> what line of work are you in?  I assume you work from home?  or is that just for fun:)
[18:17] <kulelu88> 10G lines? 
[18:17] <Symmetria> but im not exactly your average person when it comes to my bandwidth :) 
[18:17] <kulelu88> I don't even think NASA has 10G speeds
[18:17] <Symmetria> kulelu88, errr 10G speeds arent hard to get these days
[18:18] <Symmetria> captine,  heh I head up IP Strategy for the Liquid Telecommunications group
[18:18] <kulelu88> Symmetria: What does 10G mean to you?
[18:18] <Symmetria> kulelu88, 10G = 10gigabit = 1250Mbytes/second 
[18:18] <Symmetria> done on fiber 
[18:18] <Symmetria> heh, and I've got faster than that deployed elsewhere
[18:19] <captine> so what do you do with all that bandwidth?
[18:19] <kulelu88> You get 1250Mbytes in Kenya? Are you connected directly to the fibre cable by the ocean?
[18:20] <Symmetria> heh, kule I'm directly connected to the liquid telecom backbone
[18:21] <Symmetria> via fiber 
[18:21] <Symmetria> heh, and that backbone runs a hell of a lot more than 10G :)
[18:21] <Symmetria> Physical interface: et-3/2/0, Enabled, Physical link is Up
[18:21] <Symmetria>   Interface index: 717, SNMP ifIndex: 1973
[18:21] <Symmetria>   Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 1514, Speed: 100Gbps, BPDU Error: None, Loopback: Disabled, Source filtering: Disabled,
[18:21] <Symmetria> heh thats a backbone interface
[18:21] <Symmetria> note the speed of that, and thats a single interface
[18:22] <kulelu88> How is life in Kenya? Do you have stable water, lights and internet? 
[18:22] <gremble> All the things that we don't have here
[18:22] <gremble> :P
[18:22] <Symmetria> heh, the internet in kenya is *FAR* more advanced than in .za
[18:22] <Symmetria> and trust me, I know a thing or 2 about .za internet :P 
[18:22] <kulelu88> I'll confirm that on Numbeo
[18:23] <gremble> How is the internet privacy there?
[18:23] <Symmetria> water is perfectly stable, power *shrug* I would hardly call .za's power stable right now ;p
[18:23] <kulelu88> what about lights and water?
[18:23] <Symmetria> ke power is as good as za's and getting better while za's gets worse :)
[18:23] <Symmetria> kulelu88, heh, I know about the za internet infrastructure cause I built a fair amount of it
[18:24] <Symmetria> the entire academic backbone in za was designed and implemented by myself
[18:24] <kulelu88> Were you a telkom (black) technician laying the copper? :P
[18:24] <Symmetria> as was the installation of the original GGC caches in za which was the catalyst for uncapped bandwidth
[18:24] <kulelu88> uhhh
[18:24] <Symmetria> kulelu88, no, I was CTO of TENET for 7 years 
[18:24] <Symmetria> and plenty people in here who can verify that :)
[18:24] <kulelu88> What's your name?
[18:24] <Symmetria> Andrew Alston ;p
[18:25] <kulelu88> Can you find me a place next to yours so I can piggyback on your internet? I'm planning on relocating. 
[18:25] <gremble> XD
[18:26] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/35170-tenet-cto-andrew-alston-resigns.html <[18:26] <gremble> He has a really large house, I think we should just move in
[18:26] <Symmetria> haha gremble 
[18:26] <Symmetria> my wifey might disagree :)
[18:26] <kulelu88> This you: http://andrewalston.org/ ??
[18:26] <Symmetria> no
[18:27] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Andrew_Alston_.jpg
[18:27] <Symmetria> thats me ;p
[18:27] <kulelu88> Symmetria: I'm actually not kidding. I want faster internet so I can become a digital nomad
[18:28] <captine> i would be happy with 100meg fibre....
[18:28] <captine> even 50
[18:28] <captine> :)
[18:28] <kulelu88> I'd be happy with 10!!!
[18:29] <kulelu88> Installing docker images is ... well ...
[18:29] <Symmetria> kulelu88, heh, decent internet is easy in Kenya, hell, here for the equiv. of around 900 bux a month, you can get 40mbit uncapped net access + 90 tv channels thrown in ;p
[18:29] <kulelu88> Where is here specifically? town name?
[18:29] <kulelu88> i mean city name
[18:29] <Symmetria> I'm in Nairobi
[18:29] <gremble> I would like to make R900 a month at this point in time
[18:29] <gremble> xD
[18:29] <gremble> Nevermind spend it
[18:29] <gremble> :P
[18:30] <Symmetria> but you can get the same in mombassa 
[18:30] <Symmetria> and kissumu
[18:30] <kulelu88> is nairobi near the beach?
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <Symmetria> no :) mombassa is ;p
[18:30] <kulelu88> AFAIK, we have the largest port in Africa but not even durbanites can get faster net
[18:30] <Symmetria> here, I'll show you a speedtest from my house all the way to mweb in south africa
[18:31] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4075129962
[18:31] <kulelu88> Symmetria: 1 must have fast internet + gentle waves 
[18:31] <gremble> Please don't send mweb any more data than needed, they are overloaded as is already
[18:31] <gremble> D:
[18:31] <Symmetria> gremble lol check that speedtest
[18:31] <kulelu88> no no no. please do not screenshot 650MB speeds... 
[18:31] <kulelu88> You are trolling us now
[18:33] <Symmetria> lol 
[18:33] <gremble> I told you not to D: haha
[18:33] <gremble> It is constrained as it is
[18:33] <Symmetria> hehe nah not over our peering link it isnt ;p
[18:33] <kulelu88> darn, 650MB
[18:33] <kulelu88> that's like ... HD movies in less than 10 minutes
[18:33] <octoquad> Symmetria, that is insane speed...jealous now lol
[18:33] <Symmetria> kule haha thats still using < 5% of the actual capacity into my house :P
[18:34] <kulelu88> What are you doing in Kenya? Symmetria 
[18:34] <Symmetria> :p actually at that speed your average 1080p movie takes 100 seconds to download
[18:34] <Symmetria> ;p
[18:35] <Symmetria> kulelu88,  heh, as i said, I head up technical strategy for liquid telecommunications
[18:35] <Symmetria> and we have rather huge operations here, I didnt wanna leave africa, and of all the countries I coulda based myself in, Kenya was where I chose :) good choice as well
[18:36] <Symmetria> heh, I have everything I need in Nairobi, and if I wanna get out, for 100 dollars I can jump a flight down to the coast and be scuba diving in a few hours, or if I wanna go check out wildlife, I can drive 4 hours and be smack in the heart of the masai marra, 6 hours and I'm in the serengetti 
[18:37] <Symmetria> heh, or 4 hours in the other direction and I can be in amboselli, which has the largest concentration of elephants anywhere
[18:37] <Symmetria> and I'll have 3G net access no matter where I can go :P
[18:37] <Symmetria> lol and for 125 bux I can get 2gig of pre-paid cellular data for when Im moving around 
[18:38] <Symmetria> though, kenya is odd, net access and stuff = cheap, but other things are very expensive
[18:38] <Symmetria> (like rent in kenya is ridiculous)
[18:39] <kulelu88> How much is rental for a 1 bedroom in nairobi?
[18:40] <kulelu88> I wonder if the CTO of liquid telecoms is allowed to torrent stuff :?
[18:40] <Symmetria> no idea, lol, I just know that my house rent is like, $3.5k USD a month
[18:42] <kulelu88> It may have to do with the fact that gremble said your house is a mansion. This is what I see: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Kenya&city=Nairobi&displayCurrency=USD
[18:42] <Symmetria> heh and stuff like, icecream, because its all imported, is nuts
[18:42] <Symmetria> 140 zar for 2 litres of ice cream, like wtf
[18:42] <gremble> Wow
[18:42] <gremble> You may as well go have Hagen Das
[18:42] <kulelu88> 2000 grand rent a month
[18:42] <gremble> for that price
[18:43] <gremble> 2000 grand = 2 000 000
[18:43] <kulelu88> oh sheet
[18:43] <gremble> That is expensive
[18:43] <kulelu88> :-/
[18:43] <Symmetria> Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course	27.26 $	 <[18:43] <kulelu88> gremble: go study :-/
[18:43] <Symmetria> I dont know where that figure is coming from but thats crap
[18:43] <gremble> Why should I go study?
[18:43] <gremble> haha
[18:44] <Symmetria> a meal for 2 at a decent resturant here is gonna cost you $30 - $40 per head, easy
[18:44] <Kilos> hehe
[18:44] <kulelu88> Symmetria: As a fellow ubuntu member, I think you should be getting us all jobs at liquid telecoms
[18:44] <gremble> nty
[18:44] <gremble> I'll take something at the CSIR instead
[18:44] <Symmetria> Milk (regular), (1 liter)	1.01 <[18:45] <kulelu88> Numbeo is pricing from actual people. Crowdfunding info
[18:45] <Symmetria> kulelu88, heh, I dunno which people they got that pricing from
[18:46] <Symmetria> but I can tell you, I wanna know where they are shopping and what decent resturants they are eating at those prices
[18:46] <Symmetria> ;p
[18:46] <kulelu88> Symmetria: Are you buying groceries from the equivalent of woolworths in kenya or do the locals think you're a tourist and overcharge you?
[18:46] <kulelu88> :D
[18:47] <Symmetria> kulelu88, heh nah I shop at the large supermarket here 
[18:47] <Symmetria> unless its meat, use butcheries for that cause its way way cheaper
[18:47] <Symmetria> oh, the other thing about kenya, the cost of cars here will blow your fucking mind 
[18:48] <Symmetria> a toyota landcruiser vx v8 in .za
[18:48] <Symmetria> is about $95K odd 
[18:48] <Symmetria> here, its $195k 
[18:48] <gremble> Buy it here and drive it up to kenya
[18:48] <gremble> haha
[18:49] <kulelu88> are the cars right hand drive in kenya?
[18:49] <Symmetria> heh same as za 
[18:50] <kulelu88> gremble, let's get a horse and trailer and drive up 4x4s to kenya and sell them
[18:50] <Symmetria> :P people here drive on the correct side of the road
[18:50] <Symmetria> haha good luck with the import duties when you get to the border, which is why they are so damn expensive
[18:50] <gremble> Ok, it is like 4000km to nairobi from pretoria
[18:50] <gremble> So it is a little far
[18:50] <kulelu88> We'll cover the costs and make a tidy profit with 20 4x4s
[18:51] <Symmetria> heh you'd also have a hell of a drive :)
[18:51] <gremble> 49h
[18:51] <gremble> +_
[18:51] <gremble> +-
[18:51] <Symmetria> :P you planning on driving over mount kilamanjaro?
[18:51] <Symmetria> ;p
[18:51] <gremble> Google maps suggests not doing it
[18:51] <Symmetria> heh I suppose you could drive za -> zw -> zm -> tz -> ke 
[18:51] <gremble> but if we're taking a landcruiser, I see no point why not
[18:51] <Symmetria> but you'd be facing some interesting roads :)
[18:52] <gremble> Taking a landcruister, the roads don't matter :P
[18:52] <Symmetria> gremble lol, I was driving the masai mara 
[18:52] <gremble> cruiser*
[18:52] <Symmetria> in prado 4x4 
[18:52] <Symmetria> and I almost got stuck several times 
[18:52] <Symmetria> even in low range 4x4 
[18:53] <gremble> Something interesting that I saw with all these people that drive into the depths of africa, they take like Nissan Patrols n stuff. No one takes a landrover really or the other "fancy" 4x4's
[18:53] <kulelu88> what's the country between zim and tz?
[18:53] <Symmetria> kule you'd have to go via malawi in that case
[18:53] <Symmetria> good luck with that :)
[18:53] <gremble> There is a very large lake
[18:53] <gremble> Unless you are taking a boat with
[18:53] <gremble> Sorry
[18:53] <gremble> :P
[18:53] <Symmetria> heh Ive driven around malawi
[18:53] <Symmetria> its not easy :)
[18:54] <Symmetria> gremble nah you can drive around lake malawi
[18:54] <Symmetria> but it aint easy going :)
[18:54] <kulelu88> I could just drive through mozambique and tanzania
[18:54] <Symmetria> kule driving through northern mozambique isnt exactly viable either
[18:54] <gremble> I think zambia is better driving than mozam
[18:54] <kulelu88> 20 4x4s and 4000kms later, i'll make a tidy profit. Bribe border patrol
[18:55] <Symmetria> heh, then again I can tell you, during the 2010 world cup
[18:55] <Symmetria> a bunch of completely crazy dutch
[18:55] <Symmetria> drove from holland to south africa
[18:55] <Symmetria> and made it ;p
[18:55] <gremble> That is pretty impressive
[18:55] <gremble> I wouldn't drive back though
[18:55] <kulelu88> first step is a truck license
[18:55] <gremble> I would sell the vehicles here and then fly back 
[18:55] <gremble> xD
[18:55] <Symmetria> gremble lol, its insanity
[18:55] <Symmetria> to do that trip they woulda had to go via somalia 
[18:56] <Symmetria> and thats not somewhere you wanna go ;p
[18:56] <gremble> Fuck that hahaha 
[18:56] <gremble> Not unless you want to get murdered
[18:56] <gremble> :P
[18:56] <kulelu88> I dont know what map you're looking at, but they wouldnt need to drive through somalia
[18:56] <Symmetria> gremble heh, the sad thing is, somalia is a beautiful place
[18:56] <Symmetria> Ive been there
[18:57] <gremble> kulelu88: Ethiopia has too many mountains
[18:57] <gremble> And Sudan is mostly sahara
[18:57] <Symmetria> well, you could do djibouti -> ethiopia -> kenya but it would be very very fucking difficult
[18:58] <Symmetria> (and sudan is a virtual war zone as well)
[18:58] <kulelu88> They could go west coast of africa, spain to algeria
[18:58] <gremble> Most of Africa is a virtual war zone :P
[18:58] <Symmetria> oh, and did I mention that in ethiopia if you drive into the country with any telecomms equipment without paperwork from the incumbent, its life in prison?
[18:58] <kulelu88> i think you could mostly survive a drive through africa, only borders would be an issue
[18:59] <Symmetria> as in, if you got a fucking 3G router with you into ethiopia, the penalty under law for having telco equipment of any kind that isnt for the incumbent telco is life in jail
[18:59] <gremble> Oh ya, they have very strict cencorship there
[18:59] <gremble> So no Ethiopia then
[18:59] <Symmetria> heh kulelu88 trust me, I've driven more of africa than most, and I can tell you that there are parts of it you can do with ease, there are other parts, you dont wanna do :)
[19:00] <Symmetria> for example, the drive from dakar in .sn down to banjul in the gambia is a nice easy drive
[19:00] <kulelu88> Symmetria: You're not afrikaaner are you? Only europeans are that brave
[19:00] <Symmetria> so long as you have good aircon cause its hot as fucking hell 
[19:00] <Symmetria> kule lol, Im an english speaking south african :) 
[19:01] <Symmetria> I've just made a point of seeing the world :)
[19:01] <kulelu88> aah a British guy!!! I bet you've been as far as India and China also
[19:01] <Symmetria> heh, Im still 5 countries away from my target though :(
[19:01] <Symmetria> kule heh, Ive done 95 countries in the last 8 years 
[19:01] <Symmetria> every continent on the planet other than antarctic 
[19:02] <Symmetria> and more cities than I care to think about :)
[19:02] <kulelu88> How do you travel and work?
[19:02] <Symmetria> kule heh, a lot of my travel is for work
[19:02] <Symmetria> I present at conferences all over the world 
[19:02] <Symmetria> and I've consulted on projects all over the world
[19:02] <kulelu88> oh, you're an evangelist
[19:03] <Symmetria> my travel schedule for the first half of this year for example
[19:03] <gremble> I just want to do the dakar (haha unfortunately in Chile :P)
[19:03] <Symmetria> texas end of the month, then in feb I got it easy, thats just down to the coast for a week, march Im in zambia, and zimbabwe, april I'm in uganda and rwanda, may I'm in the netherlands and tunisia
[19:04] <Symmetria> after that I know I gotta be in peru and canada sometime in the second half of the year
[19:04] <Symmetria> and probably in dubai and hong kong as well
[19:04] <gremble> What does your wife do Symmetria?
[19:04] <kulelu88> spend his money
[19:04] <Symmetria> gremble runs her own company, lol, if she gets bored I stick her on a plane to dubai and tell her to go shopping and she is no longer bored and is happy again ;p
[19:04] <kulelu88> :D
[19:04] <gremble> Well then
[19:04] <gremble> hahaha
[19:04] <kulelu88> wait, i was right??
[19:05] <Symmetria> but I take her with me to a fair number of places, I find myself in Mauritius a lot for example for work
[19:05] <Symmetria> and drag her with me 
[19:05] <kulelu88> You must be 1 talented guy for people to want you at conferences all over the world
[19:05] <Symmetria> kulelu88,  heh, I've just been around in this industry for a longgggg time
[19:06] <Symmetria> and *shrug* I know the african telco market better than most and there are a hell of a lot of multi-nationals looking to expand into africa
[19:06] <kulelu88> There are other guys in the same industry for the same amount of years who havent been outside Pretoria
[19:06] <Symmetria> kule heh, thats because they never bothered to go beyond the technical side 
[19:07] <Symmetria> I made a point of understand the politics in the industry 
[19:07] <kulelu88> You're also brave I think. Not many guys can pick up and move around
[19:07] <Symmetria> and understanding the business side of it as well
[19:07] <Symmetria> this industry and getting far in it, is all about understanding the politics and the business side to complement technical skill
[19:07] <Symmetria> and about social networking, getting to know people and having a contact base is everything 
[19:08] <kulelu88> Being on IRC must be boring for you :O
[19:08] <Symmetria> kule Ive been on irc so long there were people in this channel not born when I first logged onto it
[19:08] <Symmetria> ;p
[19:09] <gremble> Hahaha
[19:09] <Symmetria> I was 14 the first time I logged onto irc
[19:09] <Symmetria> so whats that, 22 years now 
[19:09] <gremble> Oh, at least I am older than you've been on irc :P
[19:09] <kulelu88> Well you cant leave this channel without offering us all jobs
[19:09] <gremble> You're quite young though :o
[19:09] <Symmetria> lol, irc back in those days though was all about picking up women :p
[19:10] <kulelu88> gremble can be CTO-in-training and I'll be CEO-in-training
[19:10] <Symmetria> there was even a sex chart made of who had slept with who on efnet irc network
[19:10] <Symmetria> ;p
[19:10] <gremble> Now we know that there are no women :P
[19:10] <kulelu88> yeah, 36 is really young
[19:10] <Symmetria> I think its still online :) 
[19:10] <Symmetria> http://www.sexchart.org/sexchart.9.43
[19:10] <Symmetria> !
[19:10] <Symmetria> efnet sexchart
[19:11] <Symmetria> irc was awesome in those days, lol, it got me laid on every continent other than the antarctic 
[19:11] <gremble> Even Australia?
[19:12] <Symmetria> gremble of course ;p 
[19:12] <gremble> Lol
[19:12] <Symmetria> gremble heh, I still admin on the efnet network
[19:12] <Symmetria> and before freenode was freenode, it was known as a network called linpeople
[19:13] <Symmetria> I ran one of the original 6 linpeople servers 
[19:13] <Symmetria> it was on a 64kbit line out of the iafrica pop in east london
[19:13] <Symmetria> (as in east london south africa)
[19:16] <gremble> I've driven through East Londond twice
[19:17] <gremble> Both in horrible busses
[19:17] <kulelu88> gremble: Campus opened yet?
[19:17] <gremble> Yup
[19:17] <gremble> First years are busy already
[19:17] <gremble> I start the 2nd
[19:17] <kulelu88> Tell me when you're setting up a linux UG. Ill drop by
[19:18] <gremble> I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me
[19:18] <gremble> I'll have to get some manuals and stuff probably, idk :P
[19:18] <kulelu88> Burn a few DVDs I think
[19:18] <kulelu88> All the docs are stored on the system
[19:19] <gremble> Yes, I should probably ask here, since I think you guys have been in more User Groups than I have xD
[19:20] <gremble> What should a user group provide?
[19:20] <kulelu88> Enough to help people install Linux initially
[19:20] <kulelu88> Then sync up with the GLUG
[19:20] <gremble> Arch linux for everyone!
[19:20] <gremble> GLUG still up and running?
[19:22] <Symmetria> gnight all :) Im off to sleep
[19:22] <gremble> Cheers Symmetria 
[19:22] <kulelu88> tc
[19:22] <kulelu88> It is up. Check meetup.com
[19:24] <gremble> Doesn't seem to be anything on GLUG there
[19:25] <gremble> or any LUG for that matter :P
[19:25] <gremble> Besides house4hack
[19:25] <kulelu88> There is this: http://www.meetup.com/Jozi-Linux-User-Group-JLUG
[19:27] <gremble> A lot of things happening in jhb
[19:27] <gremble> haha
[19:27] <gremble> :/
[19:28] <kulelu88> Even events that could happen in PTA happen in JHB
[19:28] <gremble> glug is dead though haha
[19:30] <kulelu88> It'll pick up next month
[19:30] <kulelu88> *i think*
[19:33] <gremble> I will chat with the CS dept when I get back on campus, it seems that they provided some infrastructure support for the tlug
[19:34] <kulelu88> Tell them to donate a few server boxes
[19:34] <gremble> For?
[19:35] <kulelu88> It'll be a great way for tinkerers to experiment with server software
[19:35] <kulelu88> openstack, etc.
[19:35] <gremble> I don't know whether they are that keen :P But I will find out what we can do
[19:35] <gremble> First if I have to find out whether the organisation still exists within tuks
[19:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <gremble> Night Kilos 
[19:40] <magespawn> good evening
[19:41] <kulelu88> evening
[19:41] <gremble> Hey magespawn 
[19:44] <gremble> i think I am going to hit the sack as well
[19:44] <gremble> night everyone
[20:01] <charl> have a good evening all
[20:02] <smile> see you later :)
[20:02] <magespawn> good night all
[20:49] <kulelu88> octoquad: What do you use to build your web applications?
[20:50] <octoquad> PHP
[20:51] <octoquad> Normal stack would be PHP/MariaDB/jQuery/Javascript/Laravel
[20:51] <octoquad> busy learning MongoDB through the University
[20:51] <kulelu88> Do you work for Imply IT? octoquad 
[20:51] <octoquad> yes
[20:52] <octoquad> did you work for Imply IT
[20:52] <octoquad> ?
[20:52] <kulelu88> No, but I found you through your URL. I take it you're not Anthon or Clayton?
[20:52] <octoquad> No 
[20:53] <octoquad> do you know them well?
[21:07] <superfly> Why not Python?
[21:08] <octoquad> superfly, busy learning that as well, actually like it.
[21:08] <octoquad> :)
[21:08] <octoquad> part of the mongodb course is to use python, bottle and pymongo
[21:09] <superfly> PHP is braindead
[21:10] <octoquad> I don't know what you mean by that, care to explain
[21:10] <superfly> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7226/7095238893_5000f6e57d.jpg
[21:10] <octoquad> bwhahaha
[21:10] <superfly> You can hammer in nails with the side, sorta.
[21:11] <superfly> That's the best illustration I've ever come across which describes PHP to a tee
[21:11] <octoquad> have you worked with superfly?
[21:11] <octoquad> with it*
[21:11] <superfly> octoquad: I worked with PHP for 6 years
[21:12] <superfly> More than that, actually.
[21:12] <superfly> When I eventually started learning Python, I wondered why the heck I ever gave PHP the light of day.
[21:12] <octoquad> I've been on and off with it for roughly 8, hence me looking at other languages now
[21:13] <superfly> The easiest way to learn another language is to use it in a project of some sort.
[21:13] <octoquad> yup
[21:13] <octoquad> or look at other peoples code to see how they put things together
[21:15] <octoquad> I read this and added Python to my list of languages to learn for the year: https://www.paypal-engineering.com/2014/12/10/10-myths-of-enterprise-python/?imm_mid=0c8be4&cmp=em-prog-na-na-newsltr_20141213_test_no_images
[21:17] <octoquad> superfly, another problem I have is actually finding good PHP developers in durban to recruit.
[21:17] <superfly> octoquad: my problem is that PHP coders are not developers, they are PHP programmers
[21:18] <superfly> they only know PHP, and they don't want to learn anything else. they also don't know how to code well.
[21:20] <octoquad> well, I suppose that depends on their understanding of the language and what they consider "Beautiful code" really. 
[21:21] <octoquad> I've seen some weird things
[21:23] <superfly> octoquad: I'm currently working on Bootstrap/AngularJS (+jQuery) for the frontend, and flask (Python) on Google App Engine for the backend.
[21:26] <octoquad> cool :) 
[21:26] <octoquad> superfly, the thing is, and let's be honest, you have to choose the correct stack on a per project basis. One size doesn't always fit all.
[21:27] <octoquad> what you building btw?
[21:27] <superfly> octoquad: and PHP is never the correct stack.
[21:27] <octoquad> ok, I get the fact you hate it now, but it's still useful lol
[21:27] <superfly> internal dashboards 
[21:28] <octoquad> always fun :)
[21:28] <superfly> I don't hate it, I just think that there are WAY better options.
[21:28] <octoquad> oh absolutely, but it's hard to change a stack when you have over 200 projects built on it
[21:28] <superfly> I'm not saying you must change it
[21:28] <octoquad> no no
[21:28] <octoquad> I know that
[21:28] <superfly> but when you start a new one, use something better
[21:29] <superfly> I left a job because they forced me to do PHP ;-)
[21:29] <octoquad> hehe
[21:31] <octoquad> that for me, is really trying hard to make work unpleasant for some one...especially if they are good in another language, more productive and can get the same result in roughly the same or less time.
[21:41] <superfly> I gotta crash. night all\
[21:41] <octoquad> night
[21:43] <kulelu88> what superfly is trying to say is that keep supporting your PHP legacy products, but move to a nicer language. 
[21:54] <octoquad> yup, that's the only way to transition really.
[22:32] <EvilDMP> octoquad: hi
[22:32] <EvilDMP> and everyone
[22:32] <EvilDMP> octoquad: maybe you'd be interested in http://python-namibia.org
[22:44] <octoquad> Thanks EvilDMP 
[22:45] <octoquad> not sure if I'll make it this year, but i'll definitely be keen to check it out in the future.
[22:45] <octoquad> Will you have videos available?
[22:48] <EvilDMP> octoquad: of the talks, yes
[22:48] <EvilDMP> the main aim of the event is to help kickstart the community there
[22:49] <octoquad> EvilDMP, please could you send me a link when they are ready...
[22:49] <EvilDMP> and with a bit of luck, next year they'll be inviting everyone back 
[22:49] <octoquad> I see
[22:49] <octoquad> Well best of luck, hopefully it's a success :)
[22:50] <octoquad> after my conversation with superfly, I've been reading up about PHP vs Python vs Other languages
[22:50] <EvilDMP> thanks octoquad