[00:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: bzr ? 0.o
[06:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: dunno, that's where the VCS entry in the control file points to
[06:57] <yofel> ah right, it's in kde-sc..
[07:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, please sponsor kde-sc/konsole
[07:18] <soee> good morning
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:16] <Riddell> yofel: konsole4 uploaded thanks
[10:58] <Riddell> ooh today's image seems to be installing
[10:58] <soee> in upopic with plasma 5.2beta, press DEL when in terminal
[10:58] <Riddell> and it's all shiny new plasma 5.2 :)
[10:58] <soee> and crash
[10:59] <soee> *utopic
[10:59] <Riddell> soee: I need to backport yofel's konsole fixes and check the kate ones
[10:59] <Riddell> but I don't know why it would crash on delte
[11:00] <soee> bor do i, there are also some other kesy that might cause crash i think
[11:00] <soee> *nor
[11:16] <soee> here at work where im using desktop with Utopic i had probmes with freezing Chrome/Chromium. Today i removed propriety nvidia drivers and since than all seems to work just fine
[11:20] <soee> so this migth be related to propritety drivers, i was using 340, havent tried newer here
[11:24] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds
[11:26] <soee> ;o
[11:28] <Riddell> hmm where went ubottu ?
[11:28] <Riddell> oh no urls or something
[11:28] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 2 
[11:30] <Riddell> morning mparillo 
[11:30] <Riddell> alpha 2 for testing if you're feeling at a lose end :)
[11:32] <mparillo> Good morning. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds ? Downloading now, before the neighborhood starts their streaming.
[11:35] <Riddell> yep, thanks :)
[11:37] <mparillo> I will grab the 32-bit. I think VMware Player still does not support 64-bit guests.
[11:38] <Riddell> it should do if you're on a 64 bit system
[11:38] <Riddell> but great, I gave 64bit a quick check, you can check 32 bit
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Greetings folks
[11:55] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj, alpha 2 testing if you are at a lose end :)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok, I will later on the laptop where 15.04 is located
[11:58] <Riddell> thanks :)
[12:00] <lordievader> Riddell: I'll see if I have time in the afternoon. If it is good enouhg I'll bring it to FOSDEM ;)
[12:01] <Riddell> lovely
[12:10] <mparillo> First Test Case: The system boots properly and loads the installer displaying the Welcome dialog with language selection and 'Try Kubuntu' and 'Install Kubuntu' buttons. I know this is the behavior sometimes, but this time, I was dumped straight into a live session, with an Install  icon in the Desktop folder. I actually prefer this, but I can file a bug if you like.
[12:10] <Riddell> mparillo: known problem
[12:10] <Riddell> mparillo: we have a bug for it
[12:10] <Riddell> and I guess it's low priority since as you say arguably it's nicer like this
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I see an alpha 1 image here, but no 2 , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/
[12:16] <Riddell> BluesKaj: that's releases and it's not released yet
[12:16] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:16] <mparillo> I do prefer it that way, thank you. I also like that the installer feels more link Plasma 5 now. Second potential (trivial bug). The screen locker comes on during the install. First, I doubt most users want a screen locker duing the install. Second, I just entered my userid / password to the installer, and the locker expects the live session user / no password. I guessed correctly, and it would be most people's first or 
[12:16] <mparillo> second guess, but it is a potential cause for confusion. Is that a design decision to go with the default Plasma 5 default?
[12:16] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Or iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Riddell> mparillo: yep also a known bug, shouldn't be hard for a useful person to fix :)
[12:17] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Or: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds and let it find it for you. It did for me.
[12:19] <mparillo> Thomas the Tank Engine was really useful. After this release, perhaps we can chat.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I found this , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150120.2/vivid-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:25] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Looks like one of yesterday, not sure if that is the same.
[12:26] <lordievader> Ah, yes it is the same, never mind.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:30] <BluesKaj> once DL'd it shouldn't take more than 20 mins to install
[12:30] <sitter> Riddell: btw, all the transition is blocked on software-properties failing
[12:30] <sitter> well, that and release freeze
[12:30] <sitter> but props is holding up qapt and that is holding up everything else
[12:31] <Riddell> have you looked at the failed test?
[12:32] <lordievader> i386 doesn't get any love?
[12:32]  * lordievader goes to give i386 some love
[12:35] <sitter> Riddell: the failed tests have nothing to do with qapt
[12:35] <sitter> they are in software-props
[12:35] <sitter> something wron with root elevation
[12:38] <yofel> oh this is fun. I attached another monitor, now klicking on kickoff opens the menu on the *other* screen
[12:38] <yofel> what's responsible for the widget placement? plasma?
[12:38] <sitter> I don't think plugnplay with multiple monitors sees much testing
[12:39] <sitter> yofel: probably plasma
[12:39] <yofel> and why does my mouse cursor resize constantly o.O
[12:40] <Riddell> sitter: so we can just force it to be ignored then
[12:40] <sitter> Riddell: I'd say so
[12:40] <sitter> not sure we want to push this in during freeze though
[12:40] <Riddell> sitter: and worry about making sure muon actually works :)
[12:40] <sitter> it does updates, so that's good ;)
[12:40] <sitter> reviews are completely botched though
[12:40] <sitter> alas, I am not even sure that ever worked correctly
[12:41] <sitter> and if it did it actually depended on a patch I did on qoauth during the u1 gsoc project
[12:41] <sitter> Riddell: runtime probably also needs to be forced
[12:42] <yofel> hm no, my cursor theme is completely borked. It's a mix of breeze small and large and plasma white depending on the window element the mouse is on @_@
[12:42] <yofel> s/plasma/oxygen/
[12:42] <kubotu> yofel meant: "hm no, my cursor theme is completely borked. It's a mix of breeze small and large and oxygen white depending on the window element the mouse is on @_@"
[12:43] <sitter> oxygen -> breeze doesn't set the update-alternative nonesense so X itself probably applies oxygen as that has the alternative setup; breeze small vs large I can't explain
[12:43] <sitter> unless you have large configured in which case I'd guess that startkde perhaps first sets it to breeze and only afterwards to breeze-large
[12:44] <sitter> I did see weird cursor mapping behavior before 5.0 though, haven't noticed since
[12:44] <yofel> dunno. window decoration is oxygen white, quassel and firefox are breeze small, system settings and chrome are breeze large
[12:44] <BluesKaj> someone suggested copying the alpha 2 image to USB using dd because it's quicker, will that actually boot?
[12:44] <sitter> for the oddest of reasons certain items in plasma would use one cursor theme while others would use another
[12:44] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yep, what other way would you use to make a USB image?
[12:44] <sitter> yofel: sounds like what I saw way back when
[12:44] <yofel> wheee
[12:45] <BluesKaj> with disk creator, Riddell
[12:45] <sitter> yofel: perhaps try to setup the alternative manually to breeze and see whether that helps it
[12:45] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what is disk creator?
[12:46] <sitter> I am reasonable certain it has to do with the user config'd cursor theme not being set before certain things fork thus making them use whatever was set before, which probably would be oxygen due to the alternative thing
[12:46] <BluesKaj> it creates a bootable image from an OS iso
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Riddell,^
[12:46] <yofel> hm, breeze doesn't show up in the alternatives... unless it's called something else
[12:47] <yofel> and my cursor theme is set to "breeze (resolution dependent)" in sysset
[12:47] <BluesKaj> it;s a gui app Riddell
[12:48] <BluesKaj> but ok I'll try dd
[12:51] <yofel> yeah, breeze-cursor-theme has not alternatives support
[12:51] <yofel> *no
[12:59] <Riddell> BluesKaj: usb-creator-kde ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Riddell,sorry ,I mean't startup disk creator
[13:03] <sitter> yofel: resolution dependent would explain why you have a mix of large and small ;)
[13:04] <yofel> sure, and per-display I would understand, but not per-window :P
[13:05] <yofel> filed a bug for the alternative stuff
[13:07] <sitter> yofel: with X everything is possible
[13:22] <sgclark> morning
[13:24] <Riddell> hola sitter 
[13:24] <Riddell> hola sgclark too
[13:41] <Riddell> hmm, kde-l10n-xx still installs to /usr/share/locale-kdelibs4
[13:43] <Riddell>   * Use -DLOCALE_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/locale-kdelibs4/ to move
[13:43] <Riddell>     translations into kdelibs directory so they don't clash with
[13:43] <Riddell>     incoming kf5 packages
[13:43] <Riddell> ah, only done for utopic
[13:43] <Riddell> so I can get rid of that
[13:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: ah ok
[14:09] <Riddell> oh no there's 100 overlapping files
[14:09] <Riddell> sigh
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Riddell, so far so good on alpha2
[14:25] <BluesKaj> even the wifi auto-connected
[14:27] <Riddell> awooga
[14:30] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj 
[14:31] <soee> what is teh cmd to do upgrade utopic -> vivid from cli ?
[14:32] <BluesKaj_> ok, back on the laptop, I see switching VDs still has cube animation as an option , but it's not listed in systemsettings>desktop behaviour>desktop effects
[14:32] <yofel> soee: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:35] <soee> oh interesting, impossible to upgrade
[14:35] <BluesKaj_> oh well, slide from one VD to another still works
[14:35] <soee> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/source/Sources 404 
[14:35] <soee> and some others
[14:35] <yofel> ah right, you'll have to comment out extras
[14:37] <soee> sure if only temrinal would not creahs each time :/
[14:37] <Riddell> soee: mparillo wrote instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:37] <Riddell> although they can probably be simplified a lot by using software-properties
[14:39] <lordievader> Is it intentional that the live-session uses Xrender instead of OpenGL? (It might be related to being a VM though)
[14:41] <soee> Riddell: still wont help, problems with authenticating or something packages: frameworkintegration and libkf5plasmaquick5
[14:44] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9806126/
[14:45] <Riddell> soee: oh you're on utopic plasma5?
[14:46] <soee> Riddell: yes
[14:46] <Riddell> soee: disable kubuntu-ppa/next too
[14:46] <Riddell> that's entirely untested, I've no idea if it'll work
[14:46] <soee> so system might break after that ? :)
[14:47] <Riddell> worst case just install kubuntu-desktop
[14:51] <soee> Riddell: diablink next ppa and next-staging not helping
[14:54] <Riddell> yeah scrap them too
[14:55] <soee> what ?
[14:55] <yofel> I do remember getting some auth errors too on release upgrade, I wonder where those come from
[14:57] <soee> have to upgrade, this constant temrinal crash is impossible
[14:59] <soee> ok time to go, will try tomorrow
[15:26] <shadeslayer> hurray
[15:26] <shadeslayer> sitter: my schroot now only mounts stuff that it needs
[15:26] <shadeslayer> instead of the whole jenkins workspace dir
[15:26] <shadeslayer> and doesn't rely on /tmp/jenkins on the host
[15:30] <lordievader> The Vivid Alpha 2 i386 OEM install fails to start with: "rmdir: failed to remove '/run/udisks2/inhibit-polkit': Device or resource busy" Is this known?
[15:30] <Riddell> lordievader: not known no
[15:30] <Riddell> I've not tried OEM at all
[15:30] <Riddell> do report a bug on ubiquity 
[15:31] <lordievader> Will reboot first, see if it does it every time.
[15:34] <lordievader> Hmm, rebooting fixed it.
[15:35] <sitter> shadeslayer: weet
[15:35] <sitter> with s
[15:35] <sitter> my imager now is called via ssh in the hopes of not having the jenkins cgroups messed up..........
[15:35] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:36] <sitter> the sad thing is, I wrote a lovely new lxc-harness all morning to possibly run the shit in an elevated lxc, only to then notice that since the original containers are owned by the jenkins user the uid mapping would be incorrect unless one does a full copy
[15:57] <manchicken> Riddell: I don't have time to help with code right now, but tonight (-0500) I will install alpha2 and test.
[16:03] <lordievader> After installing in OEM mode I miss the "Prepare for shipping" (or however it was called) button. I presume this is a bug... To what do I report it?
[16:14] <lordievader> Hmm, also in the same install: partition manager cannot be launched from the menu, but launching it from Konsole is no problem.
[16:41] <mparillo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.
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[16:41] <mparillo> This is the current bug list correct? So the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/Kubuntu needs some love, correct?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> sitter: FWIW my output now lists deb contents as well :3
[17:00] <shadeslayer> sitter: http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/view/All/job/breeze_binary_unstable/15/consoleText
[17:01] <shadeslayer> sitter: search for : DCI-INFO :: Contents of debs
[17:01] <shadeslayer> dh_install: usr/share/kservices5/breezestyleconfig.desktop exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[17:01] <shadeslayer> dh_install: usr/share/kservices5/breezedecorationconfig.desktop exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[17:01] <shadeslayer> much fun
[17:23] <BluesKaj_> shut the old pc down , but I'm still here
[17:24] <BluesKaj_> well, happy to see copy and paste/klipper seems to be working to some degree.
[19:06] <soee> how the iso test go ?
[19:11] <BluesKaj_> soee, alpha 2 ?
[19:11] <soee> BluesKaj_: ypu
[19:11] <soee> *yup
[19:14] <BluesKaj_> seems better in ways, copy and paste work properly now
[19:14] <BluesKaj_> exc3ept in the run command textbox
[19:15] <soee> when will Alpha 2 be released ?
[19:16] <soee> isn't Alpha 2 freezed already ?
[19:16] <BluesKaj_> already got it installed
[19:16] <soee> yetserday i was told @ ubuntu-kernel that after Alpah 2 freeze teh 3.18.3 version will be used
[19:18] <soee> BluesKaj_: the most annoying but for me is the Dolphin and disappearing folders that were added to places
[19:19] <soee> *bug
[19:19] <BluesKaj_> 3.18.0-9 here, may be i just reinstalled the same version I already upgraded to :)
[19:20] <BluesKaj_> at least the wifi auto-connect works now 
[19:23] <BluesKaj_> soee, network folders?
[19:23] <soee> BluesKaj_: you this is current version
[19:24] <soee> BluesKaj_: nope you can add to teh panel shortcus to various folders
[19:24] <soee> i usually add for Music, Downloads, Wideo, Tmporary etc
[19:24] <soee> atm. after they are added and we reboot or logout/login they are gond
[19:24] <soee> *gone
[19:25] <BluesKaj_> ok, I just add the network shares 
[19:42] <manchicken> Jeez, I finally got this working for libnotify in Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/libnotify-notifications-i/epckjefillidgmfmclhcbaembhpdeijg
[19:42] <manchicken> That took *forever*
[19:43] <manchicken> I'm hoping that fixes the bug Chrome or the system tray has where chrome notifications fill up the system tray.
[19:52] <manchicken> Nope... that didn't fix it at all.
[19:53] <manchicken> I don't know why the system tray holds on to Chrome notifications.
[19:57] <soee> chrome has some notifications ?
[20:06] <manchicken> WebKit notifications.
[21:05] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello lovely people :-)
[21:05] <Sick_Rimmit> All the stuff for FOSDEM arrived from the printers today YaY!!
[21:08] <Sick_Rimmit> he he
[21:09] <Sick_Rimmit> Here goes an update to 15.04 alpha 2
[21:24] <mparillo> I was copying a large selection from Firefox on 15.04 alpha 2, and when I pasted into kate, it crashed FF. Does that make sense to anybody?
[21:56] <soee> hmm Firefox for devs with one card opened and dev console uses more than 1GB memory
[21:56] <soee> this is madness
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Wow!!
[22:33] <keithzg> manchicken: damn, I'm really bothered by the tray filling up with Chrome notification icons too, I was momentarily elated by the possibility
[22:43] <keithzg> manchicken: what did you need to do to make the extension work, though?