| kad3t | I suppose noone had similar issues or has any ideas of what to try? | 00:00 |
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| kad3t | Let me add that the installation from same medium (USB stick) on a netbook works flawlessly (slowly but steadily). And the only part of documentation with troubleshooting post-installation of ubuntu-gnome points to a different topic (wrong link). | 00:08 |
| kad3t | As I thought, no help here. Oh well, back to googling then... | 00:16 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, hi :) | 02:48 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, hey | 02:48 |
| amjjawad | my bad, I forgot to ask :( what happened to your flat? | 02:49 |
| darkxst | getting there, moving in friday | 02:49 |
| darkxst | though not completely done yet | 02:50 |
| amjjawad | so, you didn't move yet? | 02:50 |
| darkxst | no | 02:50 |
| darkxst | power only got connected yesterday | 02:50 |
| amjjawad | Oh | 02:51 |
| amjjawad | must be hard :( I should know as I moved so many times in a year | 02:51 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, building the thing has been hard, moving will be easy | 02:55 |
| amjjawad | building? | 02:56 |
| amjjawad | you're building your new place? O_o | 02:56 |
| darkxst | yes | 02:58 |
| amjjawad | Oh O_o | 02:58 |
| amjjawad | that must be really hard :( | 02:59 |
| amjjawad | is that cheaper than renting? | 02:59 |
| darkxst | well yes, because my work is my rent, I sms'd you some pics | 03:01 |
| amjjawad | do you have Whatsapp? | 03:01 |
| amjjawad | and I didn't get any sms yet | 03:10 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, no whatsapp | 03:25 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, got it :D | 03:31 |
| amjjawad | are you building yourself? | 03:31 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, yes I have done everything | 03:33 |
| darkxst | well except power and plumbing | 03:33 |
| amjjawad | WOW | 03:33 |
| amjjawad | so building is cheaper | 03:33 |
| amjjawad | good to know | 03:33 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, depends if you have cheap labour! tradies aren't cheap | 03:43 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Does anyone else get completely locked out of gnome-shell from time to time on 14.10? | 03:53 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Quite often for me (every couple days or so), I'll try to wake the screen only to have the lock screen refuse to unlock after taking my password, or just a black screen with a working mouse cursor | 03:54 |
| BHSPiMonkey | I'll kill gnome-shell from a different tty which restores my access to running programs (the ones that are at the top of the window stack, at least), but then running "gnome-shell --replace" just brings back the problem state. I'm generally forced to start up a different wm to continue my work | 03:56 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, I don't know what is causing your problem | 03:58 |
| darkxst | but if you do 'metacity --replace' in the tty | 03:58 |
| Metacity | ? | 03:58 |
| darkxst | and then 'gnome-shell --repalce' back in your xsession | 03:58 |
| darkxst | it will work | 03:58 |
| BHSPiMonkey | metacity isn't distributed with ubuntu-gnome 14.10 | 03:59 |
| darkxst | install it! | 03:59 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, i.e you can't launch gnome-shell from a different tty/VT | 03:59 |
| darkxst | Metacity, metacity was the old gnome2 window manager | 04:02 |
| darkxst | but sure we discussed that before! | 04:02 |
| Metacity | darkxst: Yes, that's where my nick comes from. ;) | 04:02 |
| BHSPiMonkey | darkxst: I tested your theory, but it makes no difference | 04:02 |
| darkxst | though its obsolete now! maybe you should rename to mutter ;) | 04:03 |
| BHSPiMonkey | I am able to successfully start most any other wm (openbox and metacity with --replace both work), but when I try to 'gnome-shell --replace' again I lose window decorations and everything is non-interactive | 04:03 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, you are starting gnome-shell from within X session in gnome-terminal or similar? | 04:04 |
| darkxst | ^(re-starting) | 04:04 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Unfortunately, when gnome gets into this state, I don't know of any way to unfuck it without restarting gdm | 04:04 |
| BHSPiMonkey | darkxst: yes, and/or from a tty with DISPLAY=:0 set | 04:04 |
| darkxst | I just told you how | 04:04 |
| BHSPiMonkey | darkxst: I've tried cycling to another wm and back. I even tried it with metacity as you suggested a minute ago. No difference | 04:05 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, no you can't do it from a tty, it won't pick up the auth channel to gdm | 04:05 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Well I just did it within gnome-terminal and the result was the same | 04:05 |
| darkxst | if the lock screen takes your password but fails to authenitcate it show | 04:05 |
| darkxst | s/show/should | 04:05 |
| BHSPiMonkey | At this moment, I'm not experiencing the lock screen issue | 04:06 |
| darkxst | what is the problem then? | 04:06 |
| BHSPiMonkey | What happened this evening was: using GNOME, screen turned off (possibly idle), tried to wake computer, black screen with working mouse cursor came on | 04:06 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, any crash logs | 04:07 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Couldn't see anything but the mouse, cycled to tty1 and back, no effect. Went to tty1, killed gnome-shell, back to tty7, could see my windows again (but with no decorations obviously) | 04:07 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Tried restarting gnome-shell a number of different ways, but each time I do, I can see my programs but everything is frozen/non-interactive and I have to kill it again | 04:08 |
| darkxst | logs? | 04:08 |
| darkxst | a black screen probably means gnome-shell crashed | 04:08 |
| darkxst | (though it should usualy respawn when the happens) | 04:09 |
| BHSPiMonkey | darkxst: http://pastie.org/private/naflwjxragpmdr1hgyjzq | 04:12 |
| BHSPiMonkey | That syslog output appears constantly though, even during normal use | 04:14 |
| BHSPiMonkey | Notably, when the screen was black, I could hear the volume indicator sound effects when hitting my volume keys | 04:18 |
| BHSPiMonkey | So GNOME was still processing input | 04:19 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log | 04:36 |
| darkxst | BHSPiMonkey, if you realy want to restart gnome-shell from a tty you need to use second snippet from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R_giJsdN1mEJ:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au | 04:38 |
| darkxst | (it won't work when screen is locked though) | 04:38 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, Optus is giving me hard time :( | 05:39 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, mobile? switch to telstra prepaid ;) | 05:39 |
| amjjawad | so slow internet and not sure why | 05:39 |
| amjjawad | No, internet | 05:39 |
| darkxst | or adsl? | 05:39 |
| amjjawad | I'm using Vodaphone | 05:40 |
| amjjawad | I have cable | 05:40 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, oh that is the problem optus cable network is a trash can | 05:40 |
| amjjawad | Ohhhhh | 05:40 |
| amjjawad | :'( | 05:40 |
| amjjawad | on speedtest.net, I see it is more than 50Mbps | 05:40 |
| amjjawad | but when I use it, it is crap | 05:40 |
| darkxst | telstra cable network is much better designed (a little more expensive though) | 05:41 |
| amjjawad | yeah, heard that too | 05:41 |
| darkxst | speedtest is not very accurate | 05:41 |
| amjjawad | yes but it is way more than the 8Mbps I had before I come here | 05:41 |
| amjjawad | and with only 8Mbps, I was super fine | 05:41 |
| darkxst | optus cable is way overloaded | 05:42 |
| darkxst | and due the design its almost impossible for them to upgrade it | 05:42 |
| amjjawad | Oh | 05:42 |
| amjjawad | Well, they're giving me hard time | 05:43 |
| amjjawad | specially at night | 05:43 |
| amjjawad | I feel like the whole city is sharing my internet | 05:43 |
| amjjawad | SO slow | 05:43 |
| darkxst | that sounds exactly like congestion!!! I would switch to bigpond cable if its available there | 05:43 |
| amjjawad | yes | 05:43 |
| darkxst | I had that for 10 years | 05:44 |
| amjjawad | it feels like there are 10 million users are using it | 05:44 |
| amjjawad | I had fiber optic before I come here | 05:44 |
| amjjawad | 8Mbps but super crazy fast | 05:44 |
| darkxst | once they upgraded the network to 100Mbps, I was getting 12-14MBps | 05:44 |
| amjjawad | I don't mind to get less speed but I need more stable line | 05:44 |
| amjjawad | a line when I open google.com, I can see and get the page :( not wait ... | 05:45 |
| darkxst | there is probably nothing optus can do | 05:45 |
| darkxst | their network is like a daisy-chain of stringline telephones! | 05:45 |
| amjjawad | hm | 05:46 |
| amjjawad | the whole infrastructure must be changed | 05:46 |
| darkxst | they only built it to chase down telstra cable | 05:46 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, wont happen, NBN is taking over it | 05:46 |
| amjjawad | I see | 05:46 |
| darkxst | not sure what they will do with a useless network though | 05:46 |
| amjjawad | I heard and read about it | 05:46 |
| amjjawad | trash it maybe | 05:47 |
| amjjawad | I still feel super bad when I saw someone is trashing an old PC the other day | 05:47 |
| darkxst | maybe they just wanted it for the customers (or Turnbull is more clueless that I thought) | 05:47 |
| amjjawad | but NBN will take more years to come | 05:47 |
| amjjawad | or being fully implemented | 05:47 |
| darkxst | it may bever come | 05:48 |
| darkxst | never | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | hahahah | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | damn | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | that's bad :D | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | should I run? :P | 05:48 |
| darkxst | telstra/bigpond cable if you can | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, thanks for the pictures, that looked great :D well done | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | bigpond is a company? or a type of connection? | 05:48 |
| darkxst | bigpond is part of telstra | 05:48 |
| amjjawad | I see | 05:49 |
| darkxst | https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband#service-qualifier | 05:49 |
| darkxst | the only problem I ever had with their cable was the crippled upload speeds ;( 2.4 Mbps | 05:50 |
| amjjawad | same here | 05:50 |
| amjjawad | my upload is 1Mbps | 05:51 |
| darkxst | oh and when our cable got cut, that was a problem ;( | 05:51 |
| darkxst | like the black cables that feed it, literally cut right though, and the lady on the phone insisted that I needed to reboot the modem | 05:52 |
| amjjawad | hahaha | 05:53 |
| amjjawad | tell me about that | 05:53 |
| amjjawad | that's why I don't like to call | 05:53 |
| darkxst | however telstra have awesome customer service if you go via twitter/FB | 05:53 |
| darkxst | Aussie teams handle that | 05:53 |
| darkxst | where as some call centres are still OS | 05:53 |
| amjjawad | I have experience with call centers | 05:54 |
| amjjawad | so far, for 10 years, I haven't seen any good call center like the one I used to be in | 05:54 |
| amjjawad | clients were refusing to talk to anyone except me | 05:54 |
| darkxst | telstra has some good call centers in Aus | 05:54 |
| amjjawad | I have a certificate for best call quality | 05:55 |
| darkxst | and also some bad (probably sub-contracted ones) | 05:55 |
| amjjawad | that's why they charge more | 05:55 |
| darkxst | I think the good ones, are run by telstra | 05:55 |
| amjjawad | I'll check the link you sent, thanks and who knows? maybe I switch | 05:56 |
| darkxst | and they aren't renewing any contracts for OS ones, but guess the contracts are still running | 05:56 |
| amjjawad | Optus were fast to reply me on twitter and g+ | 05:56 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, its the best internet available in Aus, unless you are one of the few thousand that can get fibre | 05:56 |
| darkxst | via NBN | 05:56 |
| amjjawad | by the way, I needed to ask you something: if a user wishes to have a super simple server at his/her home, is there any kind of permission for that? | 05:56 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, that is fine, no permission required | 05:57 |
| darkxst | however bigpond cable (and probably optus) only have dynamic IP's | 05:57 |
| darkxst | so you need to use dyndns or similar | 05:58 |
| darkxst | and actually I have moved all my server stuff into the cloud, its cheaper than running a 2nd machine! | 05:58 |
| amjjawad | I see | 05:58 |
| amjjawad | cheaper in what exactly? | 05:58 |
| amjjawad | but, IIRC, servers need static IP, correct? | 05:59 |
| darkxst | depends what you are doing | 05:59 |
| darkxst | https://www.binarylane.com.au/ | 06:00 |
| darkxst | is what I use currently | 06:00 |
| darkxst | but things like email/dns absolutely need static ip | 06:00 |
| darkxst | web servers and things like that are fine on dynamic ip with suitable resolution service | 06:01 |
| amjjawad | I see | 06:03 |
| amjjawad | it is a basic file and maybe web server | 06:03 |
| amjjawad | I have 2 very old machines (desktop) and I'm thinking instead of breathing dust to get them to server with being a server and take that as a chance to learn more about servers .. so, will go for the most basic servers to learn and use that for my daily usage | 06:06 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, that will cost more in power than a simple binarylane vps would | 06:08 |
| amjjawad | Really? | 06:08 |
| amjjawad | so a higher bill | 06:08 |
| amjjawad | hmm | 06:09 |
| darkxst | I pay $15 p/m | 06:09 |
| amjjawad | + you need to trust them | 06:09 |
| darkxst | not had a problem with them | 06:09 |
| darkxst | and servers are in Aus, so no horrible latency | 06:10 |
| amjjawad | for me, I just want to learn | 06:10 |
| amjjawad | no urgent need | 06:10 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, either way still easier and cheaper! | 06:10 |
| darkxst | you can install ubuntu server image in about 2 mins | 06:11 |
| amjjawad | on a cloud? | 06:11 |
| darkxst | yes its a vps | 06:11 |
| amjjawad | damn, I have a server already O_o what is wrong with me hehe | 06:11 |
| amjjawad | oh wait, that is Kibo's server | 06:11 |
| darkxst | US/Eu servers are horrible from here, if you just want to play | 06:12 |
| darkxst | often up to 0.5 sec latency | 06:13 |
| darkxst | try typing in a ssh shell with that ;) | 06:13 |
| darkxst | anyway gtg go to the shops be back in a bit | 06:13 |
| amjjawad | tyt | 06:17 |
| LinDol | hi all | 14:35 |
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