[00:00] <kad3t> I suppose noone had similar issues or has any ideas of what to try?
[00:08] <kad3t> Let me add that the installation from same medium (USB stick) on a netbook works flawlessly (slowly but steadily). And the only part of documentation with troubleshooting post-installation of ubuntu-gnome points to a different topic (wrong link).
[00:16] <kad3t> As I thought, no help here. Oh well, back to googling then...
[02:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, hi :)
[02:48] <darkxst> amjjawad, hey
[02:49] <amjjawad> my bad, I forgot to ask :( what happened to your flat?
[02:49] <darkxst> getting there, moving in friday
[02:50] <darkxst> though not completely done yet
[02:50] <amjjawad> so, you didn't move yet?
[02:50] <darkxst> no
[02:50] <darkxst> power only got connected yesterday
[02:51] <amjjawad> Oh
[02:51] <amjjawad> must be hard :( I should know as I moved so many times in a year
[02:55] <darkxst> amjjawad, building the thing has been hard, moving will be easy
[02:56] <amjjawad> building?
[02:56] <amjjawad> you're building your new place? O_o
[02:58] <darkxst> yes
[02:58] <amjjawad> Oh O_o
[02:59] <amjjawad> that must be really hard :(
[02:59] <amjjawad> is that cheaper than renting?
[03:01] <darkxst> well yes, because my work is my rent, I sms'd you some pics
[03:01] <amjjawad> do you have Whatsapp?
[03:10] <amjjawad> and I didn't get any sms yet
[03:25] <darkxst> amjjawad, no whatsapp
[03:31] <amjjawad> darkxst, got it :D
[03:31] <amjjawad> are you building yourself?
[03:33] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes I have done everything
[03:33] <darkxst> well except power and plumbing
[03:33] <amjjawad> WOW
[03:33] <amjjawad> so building is cheaper
[03:33] <amjjawad> good to know
[03:43] <darkxst> amjjawad, depends if you have cheap labour! tradies aren't cheap
[03:53] <BHSPiMonkey> Does anyone else get completely locked out of gnome-shell from time to time on 14.10?
[03:54] <BHSPiMonkey> Quite often for me (every couple days or so), I'll try to wake the screen only to have the lock screen refuse to unlock after taking my password, or just a black screen with a working mouse cursor
[03:56] <BHSPiMonkey> I'll kill gnome-shell from a different tty which restores my access to running programs (the ones that are at the top of the window stack, at least), but then running "gnome-shell --replace" just brings back the problem state. I'm generally forced to start up a different wm to continue my work
[03:58] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, I don't know what is causing your problem
[03:58] <darkxst> but if you do 'metacity --replace' in the tty
[03:58] <Metacity> ?
[03:58] <darkxst> and then 'gnome-shell  --repalce' back in your xsession
[03:58] <darkxst> it will work
[03:59] <BHSPiMonkey> metacity isn't distributed with ubuntu-gnome 14.10
[03:59] <darkxst> install it!
[03:59] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, i.e you can't launch gnome-shell from a different tty/VT
[04:02] <darkxst> Metacity, metacity was the old gnome2 window manager
[04:02] <darkxst> but sure we discussed that before!
[04:02] <Metacity> darkxst: Yes, that's where my nick comes from. ;)
[04:02] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: I tested your theory, but it makes no difference
[04:03] <darkxst> though its obsolete now! maybe you should rename to mutter ;)
[04:03] <BHSPiMonkey> I am able to successfully start most any other wm (openbox and metacity with --replace both work), but when I try to 'gnome-shell --replace' again I lose window decorations and everything is non-interactive
[04:04] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, you are starting gnome-shell from within X session in gnome-terminal or similar?
[04:04] <darkxst> ^(re-starting)
[04:04] <BHSPiMonkey> Unfortunately, when gnome gets into this state, I don't know of any way to unfuck it without restarting gdm
[04:04] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: yes, and/or from a tty with DISPLAY=:0 set
[04:04] <darkxst> I just told you how
[04:05] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: I've tried cycling to another wm and back. I even tried it with metacity as you suggested a minute ago. No difference
[04:05] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, no you can't do it from a tty, it won't pick up the auth channel to gdm
[04:05] <BHSPiMonkey> Well I just did it within gnome-terminal and the result was the same
[04:05] <darkxst> if the lock screen takes your password but fails to authenitcate it show
[04:05] <darkxst> s/show/should
[04:06] <BHSPiMonkey> At this moment, I'm not experiencing the lock screen issue
[04:06] <darkxst> what is the problem then?
[04:06] <BHSPiMonkey> What happened this evening was: using GNOME, screen turned off (possibly idle), tried to wake computer, black screen with working mouse cursor came on
[04:07] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, any crash logs
[04:07] <BHSPiMonkey> Couldn't see anything but the mouse, cycled to tty1 and back, no effect. Went to tty1, killed gnome-shell, back to tty7, could see my windows again (but with no decorations obviously)
[04:08] <BHSPiMonkey> Tried restarting gnome-shell a number of different ways, but each time I do, I can see my programs but everything is frozen/non-interactive and I have to kill it again
[04:08] <darkxst> logs?
[04:08] <darkxst> a black screen probably means gnome-shell crashed
[04:09] <darkxst> (though it should usualy respawn when the happens)
[04:12] <BHSPiMonkey> darkxst: http://pastie.org/private/naflwjxragpmdr1hgyjzq
[04:14] <BHSPiMonkey> That syslog output appears constantly though, even during normal use
[04:18] <BHSPiMonkey> Notably, when the screen was black, I could hear the volume indicator sound effects when hitting my volume keys
[04:19] <BHSPiMonkey> So GNOME was still processing input
[04:36] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log
[04:38] <darkxst> BHSPiMonkey, if you realy want to restart gnome-shell from a tty you need to use second snippet from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R_giJsdN1mEJ:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
[04:38] <darkxst> (it won't work when screen is locked though)
[05:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, Optus is giving me hard time :(
[05:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, mobile? switch to telstra prepaid ;)
[05:39] <amjjawad> so slow internet and not sure why
[05:39] <amjjawad> No, internet
[05:39] <darkxst> or adsl?
[05:40] <amjjawad> I'm using Vodaphone
[05:40] <amjjawad> I have cable
[05:40] <darkxst> amjjawad, oh that is the problem optus cable network is a trash can
[05:40] <amjjawad> Ohhhhh
[05:40] <amjjawad> :'(
[05:40] <amjjawad> on speedtest.net, I see it is more than 50Mbps
[05:40] <amjjawad> but when I use it, it is crap
[05:41] <darkxst> telstra cable network is much better designed (a little more expensive though)
[05:41] <amjjawad> yeah, heard that too
[05:41] <darkxst> speedtest is not very accurate
[05:41] <amjjawad> yes but it is way more than the 8Mbps I had before I come here
[05:41] <amjjawad> and with only 8Mbps, I was super fine
[05:42] <darkxst> optus cable is way overloaded
[05:42] <darkxst> and due the design its almost impossible for them to upgrade it
[05:42] <amjjawad> Oh
[05:43] <amjjawad> Well, they're giving me hard time
[05:43] <amjjawad> specially at night
[05:43] <amjjawad> I feel like the whole city is sharing my internet
[05:43] <amjjawad> SO slow
[05:43] <darkxst> that sounds exactly like congestion!!! I would switch to bigpond cable if its available there
[05:43] <amjjawad> yes
[05:44] <darkxst> I had that for 10 years
[05:44] <amjjawad> it feels like there are 10 million users are using it
[05:44] <amjjawad> I had fiber optic before I come here
[05:44] <amjjawad> 8Mbps but super crazy fast
[05:44] <darkxst> once they upgraded the network to 100Mbps, I was getting 12-14MBps
[05:44] <amjjawad> I don't mind to get less speed but I need more stable line
[05:45] <amjjawad> a line when I open google.com, I can see and get the page :( not wait ...
[05:45] <darkxst> there is probably nothing optus can do
[05:45] <darkxst> their network is like a daisy-chain of stringline telephones!
[05:46] <amjjawad> hm
[05:46] <amjjawad> the whole infrastructure must be changed
[05:46] <darkxst> they only built it to chase down telstra cable
[05:46] <darkxst> amjjawad, wont happen, NBN is taking over it
[05:46] <amjjawad> I see
[05:46] <darkxst> not sure what they will do with a useless network though
[05:46] <amjjawad> I heard and read about it
[05:47] <amjjawad> trash it maybe
[05:47] <amjjawad> I still feel super bad when I saw someone is trashing an old PC the other day
[05:47] <darkxst> maybe they just wanted it for the customers (or Turnbull is more clueless that I thought)
[05:47] <amjjawad> but NBN will take more years to come
[05:47] <amjjawad> or being fully implemented
[05:48] <darkxst> it may bever come
[05:48] <darkxst> never
[05:48] <amjjawad> hahahah
[05:48] <amjjawad> damn
[05:48] <amjjawad> that's bad :D
[05:48] <amjjawad> should I run? :P
[05:48] <darkxst> telstra/bigpond cable if you can
[05:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, thanks for the pictures, that looked great :D well done
[05:48] <amjjawad> bigpond is a company? or a type of connection?
[05:48] <darkxst> bigpond is part of telstra
[05:49] <amjjawad> I see
[05:49] <darkxst> https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband#service-qualifier
[05:50] <darkxst> the only problem I ever had with their cable was the crippled upload speeds ;( 2.4 Mbps
[05:50] <amjjawad> same here
[05:51] <amjjawad> my upload is 1Mbps
[05:51] <darkxst> oh and when our cable got cut, that was a problem ;(
[05:52] <darkxst> like the black cables that feed it, literally cut right though, and the lady on the phone insisted that I needed to reboot the modem
[05:53] <amjjawad> hahaha
[05:53] <amjjawad> tell me about that
[05:53] <amjjawad> that's why I don't like to call
[05:53] <darkxst> however telstra have awesome customer service if you go via twitter/FB
[05:53] <darkxst> Aussie teams handle that
[05:53] <darkxst> where as some call centres are still OS
[05:54] <amjjawad> I have experience with call centers
[05:54] <amjjawad> so far, for 10 years, I haven't seen any good call center like the one I used to be in
[05:54] <amjjawad> clients were refusing to talk to anyone except me
[05:54] <darkxst> telstra has some good call centers in Aus
[05:55] <amjjawad> I have a certificate for best call quality
[05:55] <darkxst> and also some bad (probably sub-contracted ones)
[05:55] <amjjawad> that's why they charge more
[05:55] <darkxst> I think the good ones, are run by telstra
[05:56] <amjjawad> I'll check the link you sent, thanks and who knows? maybe I switch
[05:56] <darkxst> and they aren't renewing any contracts for OS ones, but guess the contracts are still running
[05:56] <amjjawad> Optus were fast to reply me on twitter and g+
[05:56] <darkxst> amjjawad, its the best internet available in Aus, unless you are one of the few thousand that can get fibre
[05:56] <darkxst> via NBN
[05:56] <amjjawad> by the way, I needed to ask you something: if a user wishes to have a super simple server at his/her home, is there any kind of permission for that?
[05:57] <darkxst> amjjawad, that is fine, no permission required
[05:57] <darkxst> however bigpond cable (and probably optus) only have dynamic IP's
[05:58] <darkxst> so you need to use dyndns or similar
[05:58] <darkxst> and actually I have moved all my server stuff into the cloud, its cheaper than running a 2nd machine!
[05:58] <amjjawad> I see
[05:58] <amjjawad> cheaper in what exactly?
[05:59] <amjjawad> but, IIRC, servers need static IP, correct?
[05:59] <darkxst> depends what you are doing
[06:00] <darkxst> https://www.binarylane.com.au/
[06:00] <darkxst> is what I use currently
[06:00] <darkxst> but things like email/dns absolutely need static ip
[06:01] <darkxst> web servers and things like that are fine on dynamic ip with suitable resolution service
[06:03] <amjjawad> I see
[06:03] <amjjawad> it is a basic file and maybe web server
[06:06] <amjjawad> I have 2 very old machines (desktop) and I'm thinking instead of breathing dust to get them to server with being a server and take that as a chance to learn more about servers .. so, will go for the most basic servers to learn and use that for my daily usage
[06:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, that will cost more in power than a simple binarylane vps would
[06:08] <amjjawad> Really?
[06:08] <amjjawad> so a higher bill
[06:09] <amjjawad> hmm
[06:09] <darkxst> I pay $15 p/m
[06:09] <amjjawad> + you need to trust them
[06:09] <darkxst> not had a problem with them
[06:10] <darkxst> and servers are in Aus, so no horrible latency
[06:10] <amjjawad> for me, I just want to learn
[06:10] <amjjawad> no urgent need
[06:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, either way still easier and cheaper!
[06:11] <darkxst> you can install ubuntu server image in about 2 mins
[06:11] <amjjawad> on a cloud?
[06:11] <darkxst> yes its a vps
[06:11] <amjjawad> damn, I have a server already O_o what is wrong with me hehe
[06:11] <amjjawad> oh wait, that is Kibo's server
[06:12] <darkxst> US/Eu servers are horrible from here, if you just want to play
[06:13] <darkxst> often up to 0.5 sec latency
[06:13] <darkxst> try typing in a ssh shell with that ;)
[06:13] <darkxst> anyway gtg go to the shops be back in a bit
[06:17] <amjjawad> tyt
[14:35] <LinDol> hi all