[00:00] I suppose noone had similar issues or has any ideas of what to try? [00:08] Let me add that the installation from same medium (USB stick) on a netbook works flawlessly (slowly but steadily). And the only part of documentation with troubleshooting post-installation of ubuntu-gnome points to a different topic (wrong link). [00:16] As I thought, no help here. Oh well, back to googling then... [02:48] darkxst, hi :) [02:48] amjjawad, hey [02:49] my bad, I forgot to ask :( what happened to your flat? [02:49] getting there, moving in friday [02:50] though not completely done yet [02:50] so, you didn't move yet? [02:50] no [02:50] power only got connected yesterday [02:51] Oh [02:51] must be hard :( I should know as I moved so many times in a year [02:55] amjjawad, building the thing has been hard, moving will be easy [02:56] building? [02:56] you're building your new place? O_o [02:58] yes [02:58] Oh O_o [02:59] that must be really hard :( [02:59] is that cheaper than renting? [03:01] well yes, because my work is my rent, I sms'd you some pics [03:01] do you have Whatsapp? [03:10] and I didn't get any sms yet [03:25] amjjawad, no whatsapp [03:31] darkxst, got it :D [03:31] are you building yourself? [03:33] amjjawad, yes I have done everything [03:33] well except power and plumbing [03:33] WOW [03:33] so building is cheaper [03:33] good to know [03:43] amjjawad, depends if you have cheap labour! tradies aren't cheap [03:53] Does anyone else get completely locked out of gnome-shell from time to time on 14.10? [03:54] Quite often for me (every couple days or so), I'll try to wake the screen only to have the lock screen refuse to unlock after taking my password, or just a black screen with a working mouse cursor [03:56] I'll kill gnome-shell from a different tty which restores my access to running programs (the ones that are at the top of the window stack, at least), but then running "gnome-shell --replace" just brings back the problem state. I'm generally forced to start up a different wm to continue my work [03:58] BHSPiMonkey, I don't know what is causing your problem [03:58] but if you do 'metacity --replace' in the tty [03:58] ? [03:58] and then 'gnome-shell --repalce' back in your xsession [03:58] it will work [03:59] metacity isn't distributed with ubuntu-gnome 14.10 [03:59] install it! [03:59] BHSPiMonkey, i.e you can't launch gnome-shell from a different tty/VT [04:02] Metacity, metacity was the old gnome2 window manager [04:02] but sure we discussed that before! [04:02] darkxst: Yes, that's where my nick comes from. ;) [04:02] darkxst: I tested your theory, but it makes no difference [04:03] though its obsolete now! maybe you should rename to mutter ;) [04:03] I am able to successfully start most any other wm (openbox and metacity with --replace both work), but when I try to 'gnome-shell --replace' again I lose window decorations and everything is non-interactive [04:04] BHSPiMonkey, you are starting gnome-shell from within X session in gnome-terminal or similar? [04:04] ^(re-starting) [04:04] Unfortunately, when gnome gets into this state, I don't know of any way to unfuck it without restarting gdm [04:04] darkxst: yes, and/or from a tty with DISPLAY=:0 set [04:04] I just told you how [04:05] darkxst: I've tried cycling to another wm and back. I even tried it with metacity as you suggested a minute ago. No difference [04:05] BHSPiMonkey, no you can't do it from a tty, it won't pick up the auth channel to gdm [04:05] Well I just did it within gnome-terminal and the result was the same [04:05] if the lock screen takes your password but fails to authenitcate it show [04:05] s/show/should [04:06] At this moment, I'm not experiencing the lock screen issue [04:06] what is the problem then? [04:06] What happened this evening was: using GNOME, screen turned off (possibly idle), tried to wake computer, black screen with working mouse cursor came on [04:07] BHSPiMonkey, any crash logs [04:07] Couldn't see anything but the mouse, cycled to tty1 and back, no effect. Went to tty1, killed gnome-shell, back to tty7, could see my windows again (but with no decorations obviously) [04:08] Tried restarting gnome-shell a number of different ways, but each time I do, I can see my programs but everything is frozen/non-interactive and I have to kill it again [04:08] logs? [04:08] a black screen probably means gnome-shell crashed [04:09] (though it should usualy respawn when the happens) [04:12] darkxst: http://pastie.org/private/naflwjxragpmdr1hgyjzq [04:14] That syslog output appears constantly though, even during normal use [04:18] Notably, when the screen was black, I could hear the volume indicator sound effects when hitting my volume keys [04:19] So GNOME was still processing input [04:36] BHSPiMonkey, ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log [04:38] BHSPiMonkey, if you realy want to restart gnome-shell from a tty you need to use second snippet from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R_giJsdN1mEJ:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au [04:38] (it won't work when screen is locked though) [05:39] darkxst, Optus is giving me hard time :( [05:39] amjjawad, mobile? switch to telstra prepaid ;) [05:39] so slow internet and not sure why [05:39] No, internet [05:39] or adsl? [05:40] I'm using Vodaphone [05:40] I have cable [05:40] amjjawad, oh that is the problem optus cable network is a trash can [05:40] Ohhhhh [05:40] :'( [05:40] on speedtest.net, I see it is more than 50Mbps [05:40] but when I use it, it is crap [05:41] telstra cable network is much better designed (a little more expensive though) [05:41] yeah, heard that too [05:41] speedtest is not very accurate [05:41] yes but it is way more than the 8Mbps I had before I come here [05:41] and with only 8Mbps, I was super fine [05:42] optus cable is way overloaded [05:42] and due the design its almost impossible for them to upgrade it [05:42] Oh [05:43] Well, they're giving me hard time [05:43] specially at night [05:43] I feel like the whole city is sharing my internet [05:43] SO slow [05:43] that sounds exactly like congestion!!! I would switch to bigpond cable if its available there [05:43] yes [05:44] I had that for 10 years [05:44] it feels like there are 10 million users are using it [05:44] I had fiber optic before I come here [05:44] 8Mbps but super crazy fast [05:44] once they upgraded the network to 100Mbps, I was getting 12-14MBps [05:44] I don't mind to get less speed but I need more stable line [05:45] a line when I open google.com, I can see and get the page :( not wait ... [05:45] there is probably nothing optus can do [05:45] their network is like a daisy-chain of stringline telephones! [05:46] hm [05:46] the whole infrastructure must be changed [05:46] they only built it to chase down telstra cable [05:46] amjjawad, wont happen, NBN is taking over it [05:46] I see [05:46] not sure what they will do with a useless network though [05:46] I heard and read about it [05:47] trash it maybe [05:47] I still feel super bad when I saw someone is trashing an old PC the other day [05:47] maybe they just wanted it for the customers (or Turnbull is more clueless that I thought) [05:47] but NBN will take more years to come [05:47] or being fully implemented [05:48] it may bever come [05:48] never [05:48] hahahah [05:48] damn [05:48] that's bad :D [05:48] should I run? :P [05:48] telstra/bigpond cable if you can [05:48] darkxst, thanks for the pictures, that looked great :D well done [05:48] bigpond is a company? or a type of connection? [05:48] bigpond is part of telstra [05:49] I see [05:49] https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband#service-qualifier [05:50] the only problem I ever had with their cable was the crippled upload speeds ;( 2.4 Mbps [05:50] same here [05:51] my upload is 1Mbps [05:51] oh and when our cable got cut, that was a problem ;( [05:52] like the black cables that feed it, literally cut right though, and the lady on the phone insisted that I needed to reboot the modem [05:53] hahaha [05:53] tell me about that [05:53] that's why I don't like to call [05:53] however telstra have awesome customer service if you go via twitter/FB [05:53] Aussie teams handle that [05:53] where as some call centres are still OS [05:54] I have experience with call centers [05:54] so far, for 10 years, I haven't seen any good call center like the one I used to be in [05:54] clients were refusing to talk to anyone except me [05:54] telstra has some good call centers in Aus [05:55] I have a certificate for best call quality [05:55] and also some bad (probably sub-contracted ones) [05:55] that's why they charge more [05:55] I think the good ones, are run by telstra [05:56] I'll check the link you sent, thanks and who knows? maybe I switch [05:56] and they aren't renewing any contracts for OS ones, but guess the contracts are still running [05:56] Optus were fast to reply me on twitter and g+ [05:56] amjjawad, its the best internet available in Aus, unless you are one of the few thousand that can get fibre [05:56] via NBN [05:56] by the way, I needed to ask you something: if a user wishes to have a super simple server at his/her home, is there any kind of permission for that? [05:57] amjjawad, that is fine, no permission required [05:57] however bigpond cable (and probably optus) only have dynamic IP's [05:58] so you need to use dyndns or similar [05:58] and actually I have moved all my server stuff into the cloud, its cheaper than running a 2nd machine! [05:58] I see [05:58] cheaper in what exactly? [05:59] but, IIRC, servers need static IP, correct? [05:59] depends what you are doing [06:00] https://www.binarylane.com.au/ [06:00] is what I use currently [06:00] but things like email/dns absolutely need static ip [06:01] web servers and things like that are fine on dynamic ip with suitable resolution service [06:03] I see [06:03] it is a basic file and maybe web server [06:06] I have 2 very old machines (desktop) and I'm thinking instead of breathing dust to get them to server with being a server and take that as a chance to learn more about servers .. so, will go for the most basic servers to learn and use that for my daily usage [06:08] amjjawad, that will cost more in power than a simple binarylane vps would [06:08] Really? [06:08] so a higher bill [06:09] hmm [06:09] I pay $15 p/m [06:09] + you need to trust them [06:09] not had a problem with them [06:10] and servers are in Aus, so no horrible latency [06:10] for me, I just want to learn [06:10] no urgent need [06:10] amjjawad, either way still easier and cheaper! [06:11] you can install ubuntu server image in about 2 mins [06:11] on a cloud? [06:11] yes its a vps [06:11] damn, I have a server already O_o what is wrong with me hehe [06:11] oh wait, that is Kibo's server [06:12] US/Eu servers are horrible from here, if you just want to play [06:13] often up to 0.5 sec latency [06:13] try typing in a ssh shell with that ;) [06:13] anyway gtg go to the shops be back in a bit [06:17] tyt [14:35] hi all