[00:08] <mapps> hm
[00:08] <mapps> quite a few eps behind on the flash now
[00:09] <mapps> grmpf
[01:33] <mapps> ;]
[02:52] <mapps> 2 eps left of flash
[03:25]  * zmoylan-pi puts on father ted
[03:49] <mapps> ;]
[03:49] <mapps> im thinkingof watching either life after beth or guardians of the galaxy next
[04:53]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what superduper features we can expect from windows 10
[05:05] <lemap> hm win10]
[05:05] <lemap> win8 sucks enough...some reason my cursor just gets stuck randomly...everythung else will be working fine
[05:08] <zmoylan-pi> it used to be odd numbers of windows were the good ones but 2 even numbers in a row will throw that off
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:25] <Myrtti> you know, it would be great if on Amazon Marketplace shops it would say in cat sized letters which country the goods are shipped from
[08:26] <Myrtti> Business Name: ULTRA TOP, Business Address: Leicester. Ships from: HONG DAMNIT KONG
[08:56] <diddledan> morning
[08:56] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[08:56] <knightwise> how are you man
[08:56] <diddledan> awake
[08:56] <diddledan> :-(
[08:56] <diddledan> :-p
[08:57]  * knightwise has been playing around with crouton on the chromebook 
[08:57] <knightwise> a vain effort to get audio working
[08:59] <knightwise> although ... mumble seems to behave no
[08:59] <knightwise> w
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[09:10] <davmor2> popey: ubrick scope is fun
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hugging Day! :-D
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> during flu season... what genius thought that one up? :-)
[09:32] <knightwise> JamesTait: hugging day ?
[09:32] <knightwise> Why don't I work in a modeling agency or something
[09:33] <JamesTait> Probably someone in the Southern hemisphere, zmoylan-pi. ;)
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> a face that looked like it was on fire and someone put it out with a shovel knightwise? :-P
[09:33] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: you flatter me
[09:34] <knightwise> maybe I have the body of a swimsuit model ?
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> missed a word... steam shovel
[09:34] <JamesTait> I'm home alone, knightwise. Apart from the cats. I could hug them.
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> hugging cats, isn't that an extreme sport?
[09:34] <JamesTait> But it could make tomorrow awkward: Answer Your Cat's Questions Day.
[09:35] <diddledan> knightwise, I've got the body of a swimsuit model. it is just hidden behind a bearish exteriour
[09:36] <knightwise> diddledan: grizly bear or pooh-bear
[09:36] <diddledan> knightwise, either?
[09:36] <diddledan> :-p
[09:38]  * DJones hands diddledan Borat's mankini
[09:39]  * DJones hands the rest of the channel some eye bleach
[09:39]  * knightwise runs away screaming
[09:39] <diddledan> teehee
[09:39]  * knightwise pokes eyes out with old rusty ISA-cards
[09:40]  * zmoylan-pi passes around forks or chopsticks for channel to use to poke their eyes out hygenically
[09:41]  * knightwise stops licking used toilet seats to say 'thank you'
[09:42] <DJones> A couple fo years back, we were at a family news eve party & my wifes cousin turned up at the door (from the pub) dressed in one of those, I've never heard female aged relatives scream so much
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> wait till the year he forgets to wear it?
[09:42]  * JamesTait shudders
[09:43] <davmor2> man JamesTait went with hug day so it sounds like people like him, I mean how does /me throws hugs at JamesTait sound the slightest bit scary :D  /me throws bears at JamesTait to hug him
[09:44] <JamesTait> davmor2, I was tempted by Squirrel Appreciation Day.
[09:44] <mapps> hm
[09:44] <mapps> nadal gonna be out of the aus o already
[09:44]  * zmoylan-pi continues plans to raise a squirrel army
[09:44] <mapps> O_o
[09:44]  * davmor2 coats JamesTait and acorns and throws squirrels at him
[09:45]  * zmoylan-pi stuffs JamesTait in barrel and tops it off with angry squirrels before nailing on lid
[09:46]  * DJones sets the Animal Liberation Front onto zmoylan-pi 
[09:47]  * zmoylan-pi prepares a second barrel for alf.  gets the rottweilers ready to top of barrel
[09:48]  * JamesTait wonders who alf is.
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> animal liberation front
[09:50]  * JamesTait throws a shift key at zmoylan-pi. ;)
[09:50] <DJones> There's only one ALF
[09:50] <DJones> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgmtXvRPhPbzO_zg1vDoCLBBceOxZcRLio2RxxqLsL8IBJx02a
[09:50]  * zmoylan-pi is shifty enough >_>
[09:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:50] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: hows the weather over there ?
[09:51] <zmoylan-pi> snow receding so no time for you to be travelling as no transport would be cancelled :-)
[09:52] <czajkowski> I may have broken my curse of travelling to .ie I managed to get there this christmas with no delays!
[09:52] <czajkowski> none!
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> it's a trap luring you into making bolder plans...
[09:53] <diddledan> I've seen people typing using the capslock key to get sentence case - i.e. the initial cap of a sentence
[09:53] <diddledan> *capslock, a, capslock, rest-of-sentence*
[09:53] <JamesTait> diddledan, my eldest son is one such person. :-/
[09:54] <diddledan> I wonder if they do ALF as *capslock, a, capslock, capslock, l, capslock, capslock, f, capslock*
[09:55] <diddledan> that would mess with my head
[09:55] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: no more travel plans for the future for a while, bought a house so planning the big move
[09:56]  * czajkowski firmly cements her roots in Surrey 
[10:00]  * zmoylan-pi would love to see neighbours faces when they see chickens been brought in... :-P
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> my uncle who kept pigeons AND chickens got a few looks when he moved
[10:05] <czajkowski> yeah...
[10:05] <czajkowski> shall move them in under the cover of night :)
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> and let the dawn introduce them to a whole new experience :-D
[10:05] <czajkowski> they're mostly ok tbh, there are the odd mornings when they're super noisy when they lay but not so much in the winter time
[10:05] <czajkowski> we only have 6 :)
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> great burgalar alarm, at least for my uncle
[10:08] <czajkowski> Bash nmakes more noise
[10:08] <czajkowski> :/
[10:08] <Laney> czajkowski: congrats!
[10:08] <czajkowski> Laney: thanks :)
[10:08] <Laney> are you renting now?
[10:08] <czajkowski> been a busy few months
[10:08] <czajkowski> yup
[10:09] <Laney> fun fun
[10:09] <czajkowski> but we've just bought in Godalming
[10:09] <Laney> we just bought too
[10:09] <czajkowski> so hoping to move in March
[10:09] <czajkowski> fingers crossed
[10:09] <czajkowski> and at some point plan a wedding :)
[10:09] <Laney> need to get a man in to do $jobs, but I keep putting it off
[10:09] <Laney> oh yeah that old thing :P
[10:10] <czajkowski> Laney: aye we have a good few jobs to do, but thankfully Jons stepdad is a builder who does house renovations
[10:10] <czajkowski> :D
[10:11] <Laney> convenient or what!
[10:11] <czajkowski> does anyone use evolution and has calendar working nicely set up for exchange mail ?
[10:11] <czajkowski> Laney: that was another reason to picking the house, we knew if we got it we could get stuff done
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> irish person with english builders... seems wrong somehow :-)
[10:11] <czajkowski> for starters the entire house needs painting inside, an do that in a week once we hire one of his crew fo rht eweek
[10:11] <czajkowski> and then do the place up bit by bit
[10:12] <Laney> nod
[10:12] <Laney> I need to figure out the green deal shenanigans to get the last single glazed windows replaced
[10:12] <Laney> which includes the one in this office
[10:12]  * Laney shivers
[10:13] <czajkowski> yes all the windows need double glazing
[10:13] <czajkowski> :(
[10:13] <czajkowski> cannot wait to set up my office there
[10:13] <Laney> look into this green deal home improvement fund
[10:13] <czajkowski> living on pinterest to get some ideas
[10:13] <czajkowski> and houzz
[10:13] <czajkowski> Laney: link?
[10:13] <Laney> you can get 1.5K ish grant for energy efficiency stuff
[10:13] <Laney> https://www.gov.uk/green-deal-energy-saving-measures/get-money-back-from-the-green-deal-home-improvement-fund
[10:15] <Laney> and you can use the EPC which you already have when buying the house instead of paying for a new assessment
[10:29] <knightwise> silly question , what if i would like to build a simple text menu in the command line to launch command line apps
[10:29] <knightwise> like press 1 to launch irssi , 2 to launch wordgrinder etc.
[10:29] <knightwise> are there any simple ways to do that ?
[10:30] <czajkowski> Laney: nice
[10:30] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:31] <Laney> need to get off my bum and find out who to call
[10:35] <diplo> knightwise, can do it with python etc building on ncurses
[10:35] <diplo> I started playing with something myself for work a while ago
[10:36] <popey> knightwise: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/code-project-build-ncurses-ui-python
[10:36]  * knightwise is taking a lok
[10:36] <diplo> heh was just about to link to that  :)
[10:37] <knightwise> looks like something I can start with
[11:29] <Laney> snow's really coming down here
[11:29] <popey> ooh
[11:29] <popey> #uksnow
[11:30] <popey> http://uksnowmap.com/
[11:30] <popey> none here
[11:32] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:32] <knightwise> Belgium has sunny skies
[11:32] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[11:33] <Laney> easing off already
[11:33] <Laney> boo
[11:33] <MooDoo> look like but constant here
[11:33] <MooDoo> light not like
[11:35] <MooDoo> oooo quite heavy now
[11:37] <Laney> looks like MooDoo has a 5 minute snow lag on me ;-)
[11:38]  * awilkins draws up the blind to do a snowcheck
[11:39] <awilkins> Snow status zero
[11:39] <bashrc> status: snowing
[11:40] <bashrc> lunchtime could be amusing
[11:41] <awilkins> Kickstarter hits $1.6M in less than 24 hours...
[11:41] <awilkins> For a card game.
[11:41] <awilkins> The power of a solid following on the web.
[11:42] <awilkins> At least they aren't going all "Star Citizen" and offering SUPER POWERED KITTEN CARDS for $2,500 apiece.
[11:43] <knightwise> *sigh*
[11:43] <knightwise> getting a little tired of this cyber-begging
[11:43] <popey> cyber begging?
[11:45] <bashrc> kickstarter is ok, but it's not something which could form a sustainable business model
[11:46] <bashrc> status: not snowing
[11:46] <knightwise> true. But all the patreon campains , this and that campains. I understand its a business model
[11:46] <popey> trending towards 24M USD http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/
[11:47] <popey> knightwise: the other option being?
[11:47] <bashrc> I think patreon is a more sustainable thing, because it's like an ongoing subscription
[11:47] <bashrc> rather than just a one-off event
[11:47] <popey> I mean, If you make video or other content and want to get paid (i.e. it be the sole source of income) what's your option?
[11:47] <popey> Adverts? No good unless you have millions of followers like Yogscast or MKBHD
[11:48] <popey> patreon is neat in that you can pick and choose what content you want to pay for and how much.
[11:48] <knightwise> popey: don't know really ..
[11:48] <awilkins> Patreon is OK for ongoing content (like journalism) but how do you get something like Star Citizen or Elite funded like that?
[11:49] <popey> you and I have the luxury of having a job which pays, and the content creation is a sideline.
[11:49] <awilkins> "Hey guys, we wrote 1,000 lines of C++ today! *thrills*"
[11:49] <popey> thats what kickstarter is for
[11:49] <awilkins> Exactly
[11:49] <popey> see also that librem laptop
[11:49] <MooDoo> patreon works well, I sponsor and pay per video for a max amount
[11:49] <popey> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop
[11:49] <popey> 98%
[11:49] <knightwise> popey: i agree with you on that
[11:49] <popey> they're going to hit their target
[11:49] <popey> which is awesome for them.
[11:50] <awilkins> Ooh, is that a really nice shiny metal unibody construction?
[11:50] <knightwise> it IS a cool cardgame
[11:51] <awilkins> Maybe kickstarters should have an upper limit
[11:52] <awilkins> Like "The thing we are going to do will cost $10,000 to develop. Upper limit will be $40,000, because how much can you really polish a shiny diamond?"
[11:52]  * awilkins is now snow-positive
[11:53] <awilkins> OOh, 4k display on that Purism laptop
[11:56] <awilkins> £1,500 for a laptop that high end... but I bet the VAT in customs applies
[11:57] <awilkins> £1800 is pretty good
[11:57] <awilkins> That's with 16GB of RAM and the stupid-HD screen
[11:58] <knightwise> a 4K on a laotop ?
[12:08] <awilkins> 3840x2160
[12:08] <awilkins> Ok, it's an 8k
[12:08] <awilkins> If the k means "thousand thousand pixels"
[12:27] <bashrc> ok, they've added a uk keyboard option, so I think I'll try to get a librem laptop
[12:27] <bashrc> my troubles with starting my existing laptop (from cold) are ongoing
[16:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:17] <bigcalm> Hi intrbiz
[16:18] <intrbiz> bigcalm: hello
[18:09]  * bigcalm heads off towards the LUG
[18:45] <awilkins_> Why can't rsync have a "this is clearly going much more slowly than it would take to transfer the rest of the file in boring old normal mode"
[18:45] <awilkins_> fallback mode
[18:46] <awilkins_> Watching it thrash CPU on the source box and transfer data at 8kB/s
[18:46] <awilkins_> On a 100Mb/s network segment
[21:16] <x86bit> Hi
[21:16] <x86bit> I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network
[21:33] <x86bit>  I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network
[22:41] <ChunkzZ> anyone here have virgin media as their ISP?
[22:43] <Hemlock> Im on sky but I know a little about virgin
[22:44] <ChunkzZ> I need a new wireless router. I'm using a dlink 615 with my superhub (from virgin) but it keeps disconnecting etc on different devices so need a new wireless router. can you recommend any?
[22:45] <ChunkzZ> I was looking at this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291151529053
[22:47] <ChunkzZ> will that work with virgin? or do i need something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Netgear-WNDR3800-N600-Premium-WiFi-Wireless-N-Gigabit-Cable-Broadband-Router-/311213508015?pt=UK_Computing_Wireless_Routers&hash=item4875c545af
[22:47] <popey> is your superhub in modem only mode?
[22:47] <popey> (if not, you should consider it)
[22:48] <ChunkzZ> yeah it's in modem mode
[22:48] <popey> I use a netgear wndr3700
[22:48] <popey> been rock solid.
[22:48] <popey> I put dd-wrt on mine
[22:48] <ChunkzZ> you with virgin?
[22:49] <popey> yes
[22:49] <Hemlock> Lucky you guys can swap out your routers
[22:49] <Hemlock> Sky only let you use their shitty boxes
[22:50] <popey> yeah, so i hear
[22:50] <ChunkzZ> so I can use this? Netgear WNDR3800 N600 Premium WiFi Wireless-N Gigabit Cable Broadband Router
[22:50] <popey> my vm actually went down an hour ago
[22:50] <popey> only for a few mins
[22:50] <popey> which is quite rare here
[22:50] <ChunkzZ> the d/c's is driving my family mad
[22:50] <popey> what exactly happens?
[22:50] <ChunkzZ> on ipads and android it just disconnects
[22:51] <popey> what, the wifi?
[22:51] <ChunkzZ> yeah
[22:51] <popey> how many neighbours also have wifi?
[22:51] <ChunkzZ> a lot lol
[22:51] <popey> there's a nice android app called wifi analyzer
[22:51] <popey> which lets you see what your neighbours have
[22:51] <popey> and see what channel they're on
[22:51] <popey> I moved my ones to another channel away from theirs
[22:52] <shauno> I like to 'encourage' devices to use 5ghz where they can too
[22:52] <shauno> (there seems to be a whole lot less contention there)
[22:52] <ChunkzZ> my dlink 615 only supports 2.4
[22:53] <popey> the 3800 is the newer version of my 3700
[22:53] <popey> should be fine
[22:53] <popey> dual band too, so does 2.4 and 5
[22:53] <shauno> well, it depends how many of your devices do 5 too, else it's a pretty useless suggestion.  but where usable, it's worth trying.  (and where not usable, easily ignored :)
[22:55] <popey> i fiddled the firmware on mine to use channels above what the neighbours use :)
[22:55] <popey> thanks to MartijnVdS
[23:00] <shauno> I guess he ain't kidding
[23:03] <ali1234> anyone ever used these lithium ion AA batteries in a project?
[23:06] <ali1234> you should be able to run a raspberry pi a+ for about 8 hours on two "AA" batteries with them
[23:10] <ChunkzZ> popey, just checked wifi analyzer and I was running on the same channel as my next door neighbours. changed it to 3 which no one else is running and it seems fine. could that of been causing it?
[23:10] <popey> it doesnt help
[23:10] <ChunkzZ> saying that, I shall go ahead and buy the router one up from yours :) still, that'll do nicely with 2.4 and 5 :)
[23:10] <popey> problem is the channels overlap
[23:10] <popey> as you see in the display in wifi analyzer
[23:10] <popey> yeah, its a nice router
[23:13] <ChunkzZ> I'll defo order it tomorrow. thanks! also, my dad is saying it's not disconnecting now.
[23:13] <ChunkzZ> his ipad would just randomly disconnect lol
[23:13] <ChunkzZ> damn neighbours
[23:21] <popey> heh
[23:21] <popey> Glad we could help!
[23:23] <ChunkzZ> :) you did, I'm grateful. now it's bed time................................................