| kulelu88 | EvilDMP: Hey there. Did your pycon go well? | 00:05 |
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| kulelu88 | They've been talking about Ruby, Rails, Node, JS, but silently, Python dominates the software market just like Java and C# | 00:06 |
| Kilos | and its only konversation here in my mind, great expectations the happy kind | 04:40 |
| Kilos | morning nlsthzn inetpro captine bduk1 ambo_ nuvolari octoquad Private_User SilverCode Squirm and others as well | 04:41 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 04:54 |
| mazal | More oom | 04:57 |
| Private_User | morning Kilos | 05:03 |
| Kilos | hi Xethron | 05:24 |
| bduk | Morning everyone | 05:28 |
| Kilos | bduk die lam begin wei, net wankelrig | 05:42 |
| bduk | ek is bly Kilos | 05:44 |
| Kilos | dankie ek ook | 05:44 |
| Kilos | moes net soek vir haar vanoggend | 05:45 |
| bduk | Ish Kilos didn't know you were that ugly that even your sheep hide from you | 06:16 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 06:16 |
| nuvolari | oh hi oom Kilos! | 06:19 |
| nuvolari | hi bduk, mazal, Private_User | 06:20 |
| Kilos | nuvolari waar is jou testimonials? huh | 06:20 |
| Kilos | niemand lief die vlieg en ekke | 06:20 |
| nuvolari | hi oom, hierdie is 'n family channel! | 06:21 |
| nuvolari | oh | 06:21 |
| nuvolari | :P | 06:21 |
| nuvolari | die week is deurmekaar oom :-/ | 06:21 |
| nuvolari | wanneer gaan oom-hulle aansoek doen? | 06:21 |
| Kilos | ja man lyk my dinge word net erger | 06:21 |
| Kilos | na die meeting op die 27ste wat jy stoel | 06:22 |
| Kilos | ons soek eers nog support | 06:22 |
| Kilos | morning superfly all good there? | 06:23 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 06:23 |
| superfly | yes. all good. | 06:23 |
| Kilos | great | 06:24 |
| superfly | well, apart from my phone line at home going dead, which I *think* was telkom cutting me off because I didn't pay them by next Monay. | 06:24 |
| superfly | *Monday | 06:24 |
| Kilos | eish | 06:24 |
| Kilos | you also need a secretary | 06:25 |
| Kilos | ai! and now they charge penalty as well | 06:28 |
| Kilos | or is it only power that charges that | 06:28 |
| superfly | is anyone else having issues with the Ubuntu wiki? | 06:33 |
| Kilos | only at times | 06:33 |
| Kilos | working here im on your and my pages and the membership page | 06:34 |
| Kilos | reload was quick now | 06:35 |
| superfly | Yeah, it seems to be working now. | 06:35 |
| Kilos | i had to go edit by you to see how you did things but didnt change anything | 06:35 |
| Kilos | like making blocks around contact info. the pro helped me | 06:36 |
| Kilos | i need a new head to remember all this stuff | 06:37 |
| mazal | superfly everything was working fine from my side , didn't have a problem | 06:39 |
| Kilos | i see one can also apply for membership with the irc council | 06:39 |
| Kilos | ya mazal it has glitches every now and again | 06:39 |
| superfly | It looks good, Kilos | 06:41 |
| superfly | I'll come write a testimonial for you tonight or tomorrow night | 06:41 |
| Kilos | no rush we have time still ty. can you see any more i need to do there? | 06:42 |
| Kilos | we seem to be battling to get anyone else involved | 06:42 |
| Kilos | and the global jam coming up as well, but no one has time | 06:43 |
| superfly | also no place to do it | 06:44 |
| Kilos | only online seems to be our only option | 06:44 |
| superfly | and it's very tech-orientated | 06:55 |
| superfly | which excludes almost everyone here | 06:55 |
| superfly | Kilos: are you editing your page? | 06:56 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:58 |
| superfly | hi inetpro | 06:58 |
| * inetpro started a page last night | 06:59 | |
| inetpro | still not 100% convinced that I should even do it | 06:59 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 07:00 |
| inetpro | still need to think about what I put there | 07:00 |
| Kilos | nope superfly but i just closed it | 07:00 |
| Kilos | yay inetpro | 07:01 |
| Kilos | inetpro do it | 07:01 |
| Kilos | dont think just do | 07:01 |
| inetpro | I don't contribute anything man | 07:01 |
| Kilos | you can put that you helped the domdonner from the beginning | 07:02 |
| superfly | inetpro: helping out in IRC is something | 07:02 |
| Kilos | you do man | 07:02 |
| Kilos | apply with me | 07:02 |
| Kilos | if they fail us we go irc council and try there and or reapply later | 07:03 |
| Kilos | you and the fly have been my bread and butter and jam for years | 07:03 |
| Kilos | and we can attend the jam together and learn from them | 07:04 |
| Kilos | ai! ek sukkel met my volk man | 07:05 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam%2FIrcCouncil | 07:07 |
| Kilos | but thats only if we dont pass this time | 07:07 |
| inetpro | we don't have to go all at the same time | 07:09 |
| Kilos | ya we will catch them in a good mood and its better we all stay awake late one night only | 07:10 |
| Kilos | we gotta support each other | 07:10 |
| inetpro | we gotta support others to follow the same process | 07:12 |
| Kilos | encourage is more what we must do i think | 07:12 |
| * inetpro would love to get that signed certificate from sabdfl | 07:13 | |
| Kilos | sabdfl? | 07:13 |
| inetpro | Maaz: sabdfl | 07:13 |
| Maaz | Mark Shuttleworth calls himself the "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life", or SABDFL, and the Ubuntu community often uses this name to refer to him | 07:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: that is his nickname on irc | 07:14 |
| Kilos | we look at that certificate after we are members now get going | 07:15 |
| Kilos | i editted your page, hehe | 07:15 |
| inetpro | ai! | 07:15 |
| inetpro | lol | 07:15 |
| inetpro | Kilos: Under construction | 07:16 |
| Kilos | i feel naughty today | 07:16 |
| Kilos | rofl | 07:16 |
| Kilos | ooo that was lekker | 07:16 |
| * inetpro has work to do | 07:16 | |
| inetpro | chat later | 07:17 |
| Kilos | a good laugh a day makes everyone happier | 07:17 |
| Kilos | i like this being able to edit wiki pages | 07:18 |
| superfly | hey Xethron | 07:30 |
| Kilos | thats better. just battling a bit to think of how to say things so an edit of my edit will be appreciated | 07:33 |
| Kilos | ai! that @sig@ didnt work | 07:35 |
| Kilos | oh my. ty superfly | 07:38 |
| mazal | Kilos: I think you must be logged in for that to work ? | 07:38 |
| mazal | And sig must be capital letters I think ? | 07:39 |
| Kilos | hmm... lemme try again. im sure my login is auto because i see the edit button immediately | 07:39 |
| Kilos | oh ya ty | 07:40 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:40 |
| Kilos | well spotted mazal ty | 07:41 |
| Kilos | using caps is an extra key to use so i often forget it | 07:43 |
| Xethron | Heya superfly :) | 07:48 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 07:54 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 07:56 |
| superfly | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 08:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hi fly | 08:28 |
| superfly | You still haven't put your three words on my wiki page :-P | 08:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | "I love you"? | 08:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no? a bit off topic maybe | 08:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lol | 08:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | what's the link again? | 08:30 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 08:36 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly | 08:37 |
| superfly | ThatGraemeGuy: it was, IIRC, "that guy? ugh!" | 08:37 |
| Kilos | hehehe | 08:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah lets stick with that | 08:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ok done | 08:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i lost count but i suspect it might be more than 3 words | 08:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ^^ superfly | 08:50 |
| superfly | Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it! | 08:51 |
| * superfly goes to look | 08:51 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mmm the @SIG@ didn't seem to work | 08:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh duh | 08:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i previewed | 08:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ok done for real this time :) | 08:52 |
| superfly | Let me reiterate: | 08:52 |
| superfly | Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it! | 08:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hehe, np | 08:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:53 |
| Kilos | hi gremble | 08:56 |
| Kilos | get more of your varsity buddies to join us man | 08:57 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you see, you are our backbone here | 08:58 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:58 |
| Kilos | julle maak my skaam | 08:59 |
| gremble | Hey Kilos | 08:59 |
| gremble | Hey inetpro | 08:59 |
| Kilos | 90% of the time im even off topic | 08:59 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ek stem met hom saam | 09:00 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:00 |
| Kilos | only thing in my favour is im not still under construction | 09:01 |
| inetpro | just keep doing it, you are the man! | 09:01 |
| Kilos | you forget this is my home | 09:04 |
| inetpro | hehe, you even posted on my page? Thanks! | 09:04 |
| Kilos | yw | 09:04 |
| Kilos | every word is true, just might need checking | 09:05 |
| inetpro | hmm... now I have no choice | 09:05 |
| Kilos | yip | 09:06 |
| Kilos | 3 for membership application | 09:06 |
| Kilos | wooo | 09:06 |
| Kilos | ek eet kawe stam van namibia | 09:07 |
| Kilos | hulle groei op miershope daar | 09:07 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 09:09 |
| Vince-0 | hi | 09:12 |
| Kilos | some of the young ones were looking for lug support last night | 09:13 |
| Kilos | gremble heres a lug man | 09:13 |
| Kilos | an active lug | 09:13 |
| mazal | Do you guys think SA will get the Ubuntu phone ? | 09:13 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | o_O | 09:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i didn't even realise it was still a thing | 09:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | thought that idea died | 09:14 |
| mazal | It did ? Ag nee | 09:14 |
| Kilos | ya they even offered one for testing | 09:14 |
| Kilos | that would be a phone i could use | 09:15 |
| mazal | I always said that will be the day I finally buy a smartphone | 09:15 |
| Kilos | these android things are hard work | 09:15 |
| mazal | Wish I kept last weeks news letter , I'm sure there was something about it in there | 09:16 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i don't think i'd buy one | 09:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | smart devices are more about the app ecosystem than anything | 09:20 |
| superfly | mazal: if we have more local Ubuntu members (which is why we're applying), then Canonical is willing to give us one | 09:21 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn why so quiet? | 09:31 |
| Kilos | work? | 09:31 |
| Kilos | ahabs only work when it rains | 09:31 |
| Kilos | EvilDMP do you monitor us from your mobile device as well? | 09:32 |
| EvilDMP | Kilos: no | 09:33 |
| Kilos | 2 pcs? | 09:33 |
| EvilDMP | But I have a bouncer on my server so it looks like I'm eternally present | 09:33 |
| Kilos | 2 of you here | 09:33 |
| EvilDMP | I have no idea why that happens | 09:33 |
| Kilos | one with a tail | 09:33 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:33 |
| Kilos | did you have any joy with that project? | 09:34 |
| EvilDMP | Kilos: Python Namibia? We didn't find anyone to help us out with an Ubuntu installation party, but most other things are falling into place | 09:35 |
| Kilos | did you try the namibia ubuntu peeps? | 09:36 |
| EvilDMP | We have a good draft programme ready: http://python-namibia.org/programme/ | 09:36 |
| EvilDMP | Yes | 09:36 |
| EvilDMP | <silence> | 09:36 |
| Kilos | eish | 09:36 |
| Kilos | actually we are the only official loco in africa i think | 09:37 |
| Kilos | how much time have you got left | 09:37 |
| EvilDMP | and a nice write-up in the University press release here | 09:37 |
| gremble | The problem is more about actually getting there I think | 09:37 |
| superfly | Python Namibia, nice! | 09:37 |
| EvilDMP | 10 days! | 09:37 |
| Kilos | whew not much hey. maybe they dont have python peeps in their ubuntu crowd | 09:38 |
| EvilDMP | we'll manage | 09:40 |
| Kilos | superfly do you know anyone with the time to go there | 09:40 |
| Kilos | maybe do it online | 09:40 |
| EvilDMP | of course Python users are also all invited to http://2015.djangocon.eu, which I'm also busy with | 09:40 |
| superfly | Kilos: to PyNam? No | 09:40 |
| Kilos | shame they are struggling | 09:41 |
| EvilDMP | would be nice to join up the continents like that | 09:41 |
| * superfly prefers to stay away from Django | 09:41 | |
| Kilos | good luck EvilDMP nice to see you stayed by the friendlish ubuntu channel | 09:43 |
| Kilos | friendliest | 09:43 |
| EvilDMP | Kilos: I shall let you know at least how it went, and maybe if it all works out as planned the following year there'll be another opportunity! | 09:44 |
| Kilos | cool ty | 09:44 |
| superfly | You know what would be cool, is if we could get in touch with the unofficial African LoCos and just maintain those links. | 09:47 |
| Kilos | yeah | 09:47 |
| Kilos | like that guy near andrew | 09:48 |
| Kilos | he only comes here when he got probs though hehe | 09:48 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen somaunn | 09:49 |
| Maaz | Kilos: somaunn was last seen 1 month, 14 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-07 02:22:56 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-12-12 14:28:12 PST | 09:49 |
| Kilos | i should get these peeps email addys so i can nag them | 09:49 |
| Kilos | much easier to stay off irc than to stop reading your mail | 10:05 |
| Kilos | only the pro has his mail box in file 13 | 10:06 |
| inetpro | easy to ignore mails | 10:06 |
| Kilos | most peeps are too nosy | 10:07 |
| inetpro | when you get too many of them it's impossible to read them all | 10:07 |
| gremble | My email is dev-null@grump.xyz. I promise that I'll read it | 10:07 |
| Kilos | ya you have to be selective on what mails you get | 10:07 |
| Kilos | better to have a couple or few addies for different things | 10:07 |
| Kilos | lemme add it gremble | 10:08 |
| gremble | That was a joke | 10:08 |
| Kilos | grrrr | 10:08 |
| gremble | /dev/null is where files go to die | 10:08 |
| Kilos | oh my | 10:08 |
| gremble | :P | 10:08 |
| mazal | is the great oblivion :) | 10:08 |
| gremble | It is where I save important things like to-do lists and birthday reminders | 10:09 |
| Kilos | oh i have yours gremble | 10:09 |
| Kilos | are you the only maths guiy in your class that uses linux | 10:10 |
| gremble | I don't know | 10:11 |
| Kilos | maths peeps are supposed to be cleverer | 10:11 |
| gremble | The classes are generally fairly large | 10:11 |
| gremble | Not with computers, I have found | 10:11 |
| gremble | A lot of them fail the introduction to programming class | 10:11 |
| Kilos | put a note up on the door saying Kilos says join #ubuntu-za | 10:11 |
| mazal | ..and use Kubuntu | 10:12 |
| gremble | I'll go do that | 10:12 |
| gremble | ArchLinux | 10:12 |
| Kilos | we have a channel for learning | 10:12 |
| Kilos | any linux we got them all | 10:12 |
| Kilos | i think Trixar_za does arch too | 10:13 |
| Kilos | used to be a slitaz man | 10:13 |
| Kilos | #linux-studies | 10:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ai! | 10:20 |
| Kilos | watg nou? | 10:21 |
| Kilos | wat ook | 10:21 |
| inetpro | you keep punting the studies channel but there's nothing happening there | 10:21 |
| * inetpro feeling his old grumpy self again | 10:21 | |
| Kilos | hehe ya but if it gets punted enough it might grow | 10:22 |
| Kilos | not so? | 10:22 |
| Kilos | then you got more work | 10:22 |
| inetpro | uh | 10:22 |
| Kilos | did i not say they must first join here old man? | 10:24 |
| Kilos | ai! ek sukkel darem | 10:24 |
| Kilos | selective readers | 10:25 |
| mazal | Kilos , I changed my feed reader also now to K's default reader | 10:30 |
| mazal | That also looks better than what I used before | 10:31 |
| Kilos | cool you getting there | 10:31 |
| Kilos | everything on kde works better | 10:31 |
| mazal | Using Akregator now , previously used liferea | 10:31 |
| Kilos | only bad thing i think is kmail | 10:31 |
| mazal | Mail and web I still stay with Thunderbird and Chromium | 10:32 |
| Kilos | you read them online? | 10:32 |
| mazal | What , my mail ? | 10:32 |
| Kilos | ya | 10:32 |
| mazal | Nope , Thunderbird | 10:32 |
| Kilos | oh | 10:33 |
| Kilos | i didnt like thunderbird so use evolution | 10:33 |
| mazal | I used evolution for a long time many moons ago , then switched to thundebird | 10:34 |
| mazal | Can't even remember what the reason was. I'm happy with thunderbird | 10:34 |
| Kilos | what i dont like about it is that it hasnt got its own backup utility like evo | 10:34 |
| mazal | Well I backup the complete home folder anyway , so that is not an issue | 10:35 |
| Kilos | evo backup remembers all my mail stuff | 10:35 |
| Kilos | ya but with home backed up you cant use the same thing on different falvours | 10:35 |
| Kilos | i tried a home backup of unity once onto e new kde install | 10:36 |
| Kilos | that was a disaster | 10:36 |
| mazal | You can , when I re-installed my pc with K I simply put back the .thunderbird folder. Everything there. And it was unity before | 10:36 |
| mazal | It's when you put back EVERYTHING in home from another distro that the trouble starts | 10:37 |
| Kilos | ya lol | 10:37 |
| mazal | That I did once , and never again. Now , even on same distro , there is only a few folder in home that I put back | 10:37 |
| Kilos | i havent had probs with home backup to same distro | 10:38 |
| mazal | The only drawback I found in thunderbird at the start was the fact that it doesn't have a calendar , but that is easily added with the lightning add-on | 10:38 |
| mazal | Kilos: Is evolution still supported and updates frequently ? | 10:41 |
| Kilos | yes its in the repos | 10:41 |
| mazal | I must maybe look at it again one day. When I had issues with it was long ago , even before I started using ubuntu , was in my Red Hat days. | 10:41 |
| Kilos | shame | 10:42 |
| Kilos | whew mozamb ique seriously flooded | 11:02 |
| Kilos | 1 metre of rain | 11:02 |
| Kilos | we need that | 11:02 |
| Kilos | zambezia province | 11:03 |
| charl | good afternoon | 11:06 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 11:06 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 11:06 | |
| charl | hi Kilos | 11:06 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 11:07 |
| Kilos | are you also known as charlvm | 11:07 |
| Kilos | or was it vn | 11:07 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 11:07 |
| charl | nope | 11:07 |
| charl | well my surname is van niekerk | 11:07 |
| charl | so you could shorten it like that | 11:07 |
| Kilos | thats why i thought it was you | 11:07 |
| Kilos | im trying to find the link | 11:08 |
| Kilos | http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/member.php/9546-kilos | 11:08 |
| charl | looking | 11:08 |
| charl | ?? | 11:09 |
| Kilos | the one follower in there is charlvn | 11:10 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:10 |
| charl | ah | 11:10 |
| charl | i see yes | 11:10 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 11:10 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 11:10 |
| Maaz | charl: No problem | 11:10 |
| charl | Kilos: is that your account on some forum? | 11:10 |
| Kilos | nope | 11:11 |
| charl | ah ok | 11:11 |
| Kilos | i cant do that stuff he does | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | what? type and click submit? | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :P | 11:11 |
| charl | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 11:11 |
| charl | how are you doing | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | good thanks, you? :) | 11:13 |
| charl | i'm good | 11:14 |
| charl | busy looking at ubuntu core and snappy | 11:14 |
| charl | it fills in nicely with docker | 11:15 |
| charl | they are running it on the beagleboard as well | 11:17 |
| charl | very interesting | 11:17 |
| charl | i would prefer something standard like ubuntu rather than raspbian on the pi | 11:17 |
| charl | beaglebone is more expensive than the raspberry though | 11:18 |
| inetpro | Kilos: with gmail you really don't need local backups of your mail | 11:29 |
| charl | inetpro: why not? | 11:30 |
| Kilos | i have it because i just get new mails inetpro | 11:30 |
| Kilos | and the backup is mainly to remeber all my accounts | 11:30 |
| inetpro | but you can easily store mail in separate local folders inside thunderbird if you want that | 11:30 |
| Kilos | i have too many mails at gmail to go hunting | 11:31 |
| inetpro | charl: it's all available and fully searchable online | 11:31 |
| Kilos | thats even more thinking man | 11:31 |
| charl | inetpro: and you trust google to keep it that way? | 11:31 |
| * charl has offline backups of mail, irrespective of provider | 11:32 | |
| Kilos | keep what? | 11:32 |
| inetpro | they have a lot to loose if they mess things up | 11:32 |
| inetpro | charl: yes I have my reservations but Google owns me | 11:33 |
| charl | ah :D | 11:33 |
| charl | all your base ... :P | 11:33 |
| * charl does not trust anything that does not run on his own hardware | 11:34 | |
| inetpro | Kilos: if you backup your /home folder, thunderbird is backed up as part of that automagically | 11:35 |
| inetpro | at the office I have a local thunderbird for best performance | 11:37 |
| Kilos | lets first get past the membership before thinking about more stuff | 11:37 |
| inetpro | plus lightning to handle meeting requests and calendaring | 11:38 |
| Kilos | go finish your page so we can add you in the mail for testimonials | 11:39 |
| inetpro | not sure whether it is true still but evolution used to be very bloated and slow | 11:40 |
| Kilos | it is only a bit slow on a good pc, but thats only when opening it | 11:40 |
| Kilos | otherwise i dont even know its there on its own workspace until a new mail arrives | 11:41 |
| Kilos | just add in the intro that you are old and often grumpy | 11:41 |
| * mazal agrees with charl | 11:42 | |
| * Kilos hides | 11:42 | |
| inetpro | ai! | 11:42 |
| Kilos | haha | 11:42 |
| mazal | Talking gmail , I had a strange happening yesterday | 11:42 |
| Kilos | charl you may go do a testimonial for me | 11:43 |
| Kilos | what mazal ? | 11:43 |
| mazal | A mail that was in thunderbird didn't show online there | 11:43 |
| mazal | It was missing online | 11:43 |
| Kilos | oi | 11:43 |
| Kilos | i just have to sometimes tell evo that you guys mails arent really junk | 11:44 |
| inetpro | mazal: missing in the inbox perhaps, what if you looked at All Mail? | 11:44 |
| mazal | The new mail came in , didn't read it , closed my apps and started backups , remembered about that mail , opened web to go read it , missing | 11:44 |
| mazal | All others was there , except that one. Any idea why that happens ? | 11:45 |
| Kilos | junk folder? | 11:45 |
| Kilos | spam? | 11:45 |
| mazal | It never happened before with any other message | 11:45 |
| inetpro | mazal: look at the "All Mail" folder | 11:46 |
| Kilos | something triggers funny things | 11:46 |
| Kilos | as in how can ubuntu mails end up in spam? | 11:46 |
| mazal | Will check that next time inetpro , but why just this once , random glitch ? | 11:46 |
| inetpro | it's probably still there | 11:47 |
| mazal | It wasn't in there Kilos , when I opened my thunderbird again there it was in inbox as it were | 11:47 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:48 |
| inetpro | all depends on your settings | 11:49 |
| inetpro | and possibly filters | 11:49 |
| mazal | Another thing I don't understand : Why when I delete stuff in inbox does it stay in all mail ? and 2. Why if I dlete it in all mail in thunderbird does it stay online in all mail and don't delete there as well ? | 11:50 |
| mazal | I frequently have to go to gmail web interface to go and clean all mail | 11:50 |
| inetpro | you can change it the way you prefer it | 11:50 |
| mazal | At gmail side or thunderbird side ? | 11:51 |
| inetpro | mazal: why clean it if you can just keep it | 11:52 |
| mazal | I don't like clutter | 11:52 |
| mazal | Even all the send items go and pile up there | 11:52 |
| inetpro | just keep a clean inbox | 11:52 |
| mazal | Maybe I must just unsubscribe that folder in thunderbird then I won't see it :) | 11:52 |
| mazal | How goes the saying " What you don't see won't bother you " | 11:53 |
| inetpro | I have often had to find old mail and after many years I have still only used 28% of available space | 11:54 |
| mazal | Will go unsubscribe that folder as soon as I can open my thunderbird again , then I can forget about it | 11:55 |
| inetpro | but like charl says, if you are concerned about your privacy you should not be using gmail at all | 11:58 |
| inetpro | mazal: but I also still prefer pop over imap | 11:59 |
| Kilos | ya i use pop as well | 11:59 |
| inetpro | don't have to do it my way | 12:00 |
| Kilos | imap drove me mad | 12:00 |
| mazal | Only reason I don't do pop is cos I need the mail on 3 different pc's | 12:00 |
| mazal | You had it at first that it don't delete from server , but then I had to remember to go do it manually once a week. And that remember part is a problem with me. My ram is old | 12:01 |
| mazal | s/you/me | 12:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it makes me sad that pop3 isn't dead yet :'-( | 12:02 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | along with ftp | 12:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | utterly ridiculous relics of an age long past | 12:02 |
| inetpro | imap requires omnipresent Internet connectivity | 12:06 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | wut o_O | 12:06 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | what mail client are you using that doesn't support caching your imap account? | 12:07 |
| inetpro | has it changed? | 12:07 |
| * inetpro hasn't used imap for years | 12:07 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mail client keeps a local cache of imap account | 12:09 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well it does unless you're using a dumb mail client anyway | 12:09 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but meh, gmail ftw | 12:09 |
| inetpro | I tried it long ago and was never happy with the performance of imap vs pop3 on thunderbird | 12:10 |
| mazal | I can't complain that mine is slow | 12:10 |
| inetpro | oh and I have always been happy to have my email client out of my way not acting like IM | 12:14 |
| inetpro | emails coming in once every 10 minutes is good enough for me | 12:14 |
| inetpro | should actually make that 30 minutes | 12:14 |
| inetpro | btw, I see kubuntu devs are looking for alpha testers | 12:18 |
| Kilos | what diffs does the time make if you ignore mails anyway | 12:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | don't you work in govt? | 12:18 |
| inetpro | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-January/009163.html | 12:20 |
| inetpro | ai! | 12:21 |
| Kilos | wat ai! jy nou weer? | 12:23 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen magespawn | 12:23 |
| Maaz | Kilos: magespawn was last seen 16 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-20 12:02:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-20 12:02:24 PST | 12:23 |
| inetpro | ThatGraemeGuy: you prefer dealing with every email instantaneously? | 12:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | when I'm at work and customers are paying a load of money every month for the best service in the industry? yes, I do funny enough | 12:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not dealing with on the spot, but it has to be looked at and slotted in for attention | 12:26 |
| inetpro | email was designed as a store and forward technology, I say there's space for email as well as for IM | 12:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | meh | 12:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | my new year's resolution is to not waste my time on pointless debates | 12:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | use what you want, done :) | 12:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: he's being tough on me now | 12:40 |
| Kilos | lol ya | 12:40 |
| inetpro | I guess it's a pointless debate because it's not about to change any time soon | 12:41 |
| inetpro | but I honestly feel, too many people out there expect email to be like IM these days | 12:42 |
| mazal | wow , even printer install is better on K | 12:44 |
| Kilos | do kde guy just want someone to test and report bugs? | 12:45 |
| Kilos | mazal gaan jy bad vanaand? | 12:45 |
| mazal | Obviously why ? | 12:45 |
| inetpro | Kilos: follow the links | 12:45 |
| Kilos | was jou ore mooi, i told you everything is better | 12:45 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:45 |
| * Kilos ducks again | 12:46 | |
| mazal | hehehe | 12:46 |
| mazal | Not only did the printer install easier , but I have readouts I didn't have in unity | 12:46 |
| Kilos | cool | 12:47 |
| mazal | For this specific printer I had to go do fine tuning before it worked , on K works out of the box | 12:47 |
| Kilos | the kubuntu team seem to put that extra bit of effort in | 12:47 |
| mazal | I would have though they use the same driver | 12:47 |
| Kilos | they arent developing mobile apps as well | 12:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | heh | 12:48 |
| Kilos | so spend all time on kubuntu | 12:48 |
| mazal | Well Kilos, I am pretty much finished setting up and testing everything that I need on this pc , and I must admit what I see so far is way better than unity | 12:50 |
| Kilos | hot again today | 12:50 |
| mazal | Very happy with it | 12:50 |
| Kilos | the ct guys are cooking as well | 12:50 |
| Kilos | yeah mazal kde rocks | 12:50 |
| mazal | Home time , bye everyone , have a nice evening | 12:52 |
| Kilos | cheers | 12:52 |
| Kilos | you too | 12:52 |
| * Kilos waits for bduk to leave as well | 12:52 | |
| Kilos | he forgot its home time looks like | 12:53 |
| bduk | No my wife lock me out so think i sleep here tonight | 12:54 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:54 |
| Kilos | becuase you made her look for sheep disease that isnt there | 12:54 |
| bduk | No not me | 12:55 |
| Kilos | tell her i say thank you very much | 12:55 |
| bduk | i will | 12:59 |
| Kilos | wb gremble | 14:50 |
| * Kilos hides | 15:37 | |
| Kilos | and waits for ai! | 15:37 |
| gremble | ai? | 15:38 |
| * nlsthzn just got home from work *yawn* | 15:39 | |
| Kilos | aw have a nap nlsthzn | 15:42 |
| nlsthzn | nah food then beer :p | 15:47 |
| Kilos | lol you naughty | 15:47 |
| Kilos | beer makes you fat belly | 15:47 |
| Kilos | oh ya nlsthzn whats the chances of testimonials | 15:49 |
| Kilos | gotta get yours | 15:49 |
| Kilos | i want that membership now so i can think about something else | 15:50 |
| Kilos | hi Tonberry_ | 15:56 |
| gremble | lpt don't get tabart in your eyes | 16:21 |
| gremble | D: | 16:21 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:24 |
| nlsthzn | all in good time uncle Kilos ... anything worth doing is worth doing slowly :p | 16:26 |
| Kilos | get a bottle of citronella oil, make a small hole in the lid and insert string there down to the bottom with a couple of loops. then light the string at the top | 16:26 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:26 |
| Kilos | wb nlsthzn | 16:32 |
| nlsthzn | thanks :) | 16:33 |
| * Kilos hides | 17:56 | |
| Kilos | evening superfly internet fixed | 18:11 |
| superfly | Nope. On my phone | 18:13 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:13 |
| superfly | Apparently it's an area fault | 18:13 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:13 |
| inetpro | superfly: how does the following sound? | 18:25 |
| inetpro | Join us in signing up more South Africans for Official Ubuntu Membership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 18:25 |
| inetpro | somehow doesn't sound correct | 18:25 |
| inetpro | want to send a tweet or three | 18:25 |
| inetpro | good evening btw | 18:25 |
| inetpro | and then follow up with: "Official Ubuntu Membership means recognition of significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu or the Ubuntu community" | 18:26 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 18:31 |
| inetpro | ok too late to change now... done | 18:38 |
| Kilos | thats fine just point them here as well | 18:39 |
| Kilos | we are basically doing this for #ubuntu-za arent we | 18:39 |
| inetpro | why? | 18:40 |
| Kilos | why what? | 18:40 |
| inetpro | 21/01 20:39:34 <Kilos> we are basically doing this for #ubuntu-za arent we | 18:41 |
| captine | evening all | 18:41 |
| Kilos | oh that, well why else are we doing it | 18:41 |
| inetpro | hello captine | 18:41 |
| Kilos | hi captine | 18:41 |
| superfly | inetpro: it reflects well on the LoCo, and it means that we have a possibility of getting an Ubuntu Phone prototype in our hands | 18:41 |
| inetpro | thank you superfly | 18:42 |
| inetpro | :-) | 18:42 |
| Kilos | where is our loco? | 18:43 |
| Kilos | here isnt it? | 18:44 |
| inetpro | Kilos: in south africa | 18:45 |
| inetpro | mailing list is part of it | 18:45 |
| inetpro | website is part of it | 18:46 |
| Kilos | ya man but here and the list is our only contact with each other | 18:46 |
| inetpro | twitter is part of it | 18:46 |
| inetpro | g+ and facebook is part of it | 18:46 |
| Kilos | eish the tweet place | 18:46 |
| inetpro | can't force everyone in here | 18:46 |
| Kilos | well g+ is you guys domain | 18:47 |
| Kilos | and fb | 18:47 |
| captine | i think g+ only gets used for the meeting calendar items? or am I missing something | 18:47 |
| Kilos | the lug guys have hangouts there | 18:47 |
| Kilos | funny how we dont attract the lug guys | 18:48 |
| Kilos | dbnlug is strong but only one comes here | 18:48 |
| Kilos | oh and | 18:49 |
| Kilos | um | 18:49 |
| Kilos | smileyborg | 18:49 |
| inetpro | captine: some peeps have a tendency to stick around only on specific platforms | 18:50 |
| captine | yip. for me, IRC is a no no at work, but checking google plus is ok. | 18:51 |
| inetpro | all I'm saying is that we should try not to cut them out of the loop | 18:51 |
| captine | always a risk that having lots of options for comms that are not active ends up causing more challenges than having a few active channels | 18:51 |
| inetpro | obviously we can't have meetings on each platform, just won't work | 18:52 |
| Kilos | we arent inetpro , its just with the membership things thats irc only | 18:52 |
| Kilos | so peeps that would like to support us have no other choices | 18:53 |
| Kilos | wb nlsthzn | 18:55 |
| inetpro | wb nlsthzn | 18:55 |
| nlsthzn | thanks... unity not as stable as gnome shell with wine and demanding games >.< | 18:55 |
| captine | ah. we talking about the meetings? I was just making a gen comment. Meetings, I agree, should be limited to IRC... When the internet is good enough, one can have IRC mixed with hangouts | 18:56 |
| captine | similar to ubuntuonair.com | 18:56 |
| nlsthzn | hangouts uses lots of data... something not ideal for ZA land | 18:56 |
| nlsthzn | my 2c | 18:56 |
| Kilos | i will look at g+ again, but ate data if i remember right | 18:57 |
| Kilos | go nlsthzn | 18:57 |
| nlsthzn | where do I need to go> | 18:57 |
| nlsthzn | ? | 18:57 |
| Kilos | carry on with your 2c man | 18:58 |
| Kilos | sjoe ek sukkel vandag | 18:58 |
| nlsthzn | I already game it :p | 19:00 |
| nlsthzn | too much data for ZA land :p | 19:00 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:00 |
| captine | nlsthzn, agree | 19:02 |
| captine | hence it would be good to use when our internet is good enough and accessible enough | 19:02 |
| Kilos | whew i will be too old to see the keyboard by then | 19:03 |
| captine | If there are things that require downloads, I don't mind helping out (download distros, try help with google plus etc). Currently I have plenty bandwidth (until the taxman changes rules and forces me to save cash... ) | 19:04 |
| captine | Kilos, might be the case for all of us... internet needs electricity.... lol | 19:04 |
| Kilos | haha | 19:04 |
| inetpro | nlsthzn: where do you want to go? | 19:05 |
| Kilos | actually if you have cash you can get solar panels , batteries and an inverter | 19:05 |
| Kilos | ty captine | 19:06 |
| captine | true... not enough roof space on my house | 19:06 |
| captine | Kilos, ? | 19:07 |
| Kilos | you are brad hey? | 19:07 |
| captine | correct | 19:07 |
| Kilos | then ty | 19:07 |
| captine | ok. np. | 19:07 |
| Kilos | ty =thank you | 19:07 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:07 |
| Kilos | ive had a good day with lots of laughs | 19:07 |
| captine | so i missed the global jam meeting tonight, but listened to mose of it | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | I want to already go to another DE... not even been on unity for 48 hours >>< | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | >.< | 19:08 |
| captine | anyone here listen to it? | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | grrrr | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | cool, glad someone read the mail :p | 19:08 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn retire on kde man | 19:08 |
| captine | nlsthzn, not having used many distros, I love unity | 19:08 |
| * nlsthzn has used everything... | 19:08 | |
| nlsthzn | twice... | 19:08 |
| captine | although, would use gnome on antegeros or any other distro | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | in the last week | 19:08 |
| nlsthzn | :'( | 19:09 |
| Kilos | ya but use something that works all the time man | 19:09 |
| captine | tried kde once... not a big fan... may use ubuntu mate on a old laptop if unity is too laggy | 19:09 |
| nlsthzn | I bring KDE to its knees and make it beg for mercy... | 19:09 |
| Kilos | you didnt give kde a good chance | 19:09 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:09 |
| * nlsthzn goes and uses wine again for pain and suffering... bbl | 19:09 | |
| captine | ubuntu 15.04 gnome edition is meant to come with a pretty recent version | 19:09 |
| Kilos | wine killed my 10.10 so i havent even tried it again | 19:10 |
| captine | i use "PlayonLinux" for my wine frontend.. not good enough for straigh wine | 19:10 |
| captine | so... maybe i am confused, but do we have a complete list of our communication channels, their "purpose" if necessary and a champion for each (may be same person). | 19:11 |
| captine | my 2 colleagues that I have got onto Ubuntu are highly unlikely to join an IRC channel.. but might subscribe to a google + or something like that | 19:11 |
| bduk | good evening | 19:11 |
| Kilos | the pro and fly do them all | 19:11 |
| Kilos | hi bduk | 19:12 |
| captine | hi bduk | 19:12 |
| Kilos | time is the killer for family peeps captine | 19:12 |
| captine | for sure | 19:13 |
| captine | I got second one on the way | 19:13 |
| captine | and struggling with the first in terms of time | 19:13 |
| captine | lol | 19:13 |
| Kilos | haha just now youll also be typing one handed | 19:13 |
| captine | yip | 19:13 |
| captine | just got the google + meeting invite for next tues... | 19:14 |
| bduk | dont complain enjoy it it,s a privilige | 19:14 |
| Kilos | is that after month end? | 19:14 |
| captine | bduk, not complaining... | 19:14 |
| Kilos | aw no | 19:14 |
| captine | Kilos, ? after month end? | 19:15 |
| bduk | good captine | 19:15 |
| Kilos | im stretching data bundle so i put next one in on the first | 19:15 |
| captine | ah. | 19:16 |
| captine | i still have 100gig free for the month in day time, and 990gig for after hours... worked out even if downloading non-stop, it is impossible to use all the night time data... hence they dont offer the night time package on the 20mbps adsl | 19:18 |
| captine | lol | 19:18 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:19 |
| Kilos | i try use a 2+1 for 2 months | 19:19 |
| captine | wont survive... | 19:19 |
| captine | average 170 per month | 19:19 |
| Kilos | haha | 19:20 |
| Kilos | gig? | 19:20 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 19:20 |
| Kilos | thats enough for a year for me | 19:20 |
| Kilos | i dont download movies and them things | 19:21 |
| Kilos | irc pidgin email and some browsing | 19:21 |
| captine | yip. we watch a lot of youtube... not tv so internet is our thing | 19:24 |
| captine | wife watching a documentary as we speak and I am streaming some radio | 19:24 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 19:24 |
| captine | but internet is a bit choppy tonight | 19:24 |
| Kilos | that g+ invite was for here | 19:29 |
| captine | yip | 19:30 |
| captine | for meeting on irc next tues | 19:30 |
| Kilos | ya | 19:30 |
| Kilos | the pro has been busy | 19:30 |
| captine | so the new website you are all working on... is that ubuntu-za.org (I know it is not live yet i think, but is that the URL?) | 19:32 |
| superfly | captine: it'll be ubuntu-za.org | 19:33 |
| captine | cool | 19:33 |
| superfly | captine: I've uploaded my latest version to ubuntu-za.snyman.info | 19:33 |
| superfly | Kilos: I did see your e-mail, btw | 19:33 |
| captine | so superfly, are we planning for that to be the main place for all info and meeting notes etc etc etc? or we using the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ site as well | 19:34 |
| superfly | Kilos: I just haven't had the chance to reply with my edits | 19:34 |
| Kilos | oh my, what email? | 19:34 |
| superfly | captine: it's going to be a very simple site, with links to places like the wiki | 19:34 |
| captine | awesome. looks really good. | 19:35 |
| captine | like the embedded IRC | 19:35 |
| inetpro | good night | 19:44 |
| Kilos | night inetpro sleep tight | 19:44 |
| captine | night | 19:45 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:47 |
| gremble | Cheers | 19:47 |
| charl | have a good night al | 19:48 |
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