[00:05] EvilDMP: Hey there. Did your pycon go well? [00:06] They've been talking about Ruby, Rails, Node, JS, but silently, Python dominates the software market just like Java and C# [04:40] and its only konversation here in my mind, great expectations the happy kind [04:41] morning nlsthzn inetpro captine bduk1 ambo_ nuvolari octoquad Private_User SilverCode Squirm and others as well [04:54] hi mazal [04:57] More oom [05:03] morning Kilos [05:24] hi Xethron [05:28] Morning everyone [05:42] bduk die lam begin wei, net wankelrig [05:44] ek is bly Kilos [05:44] dankie ek ook [05:45] moes net soek vir haar vanoggend [06:16] Ish Kilos didn't know you were that ugly that even your sheep hide from you [06:16] hahaha [06:19] oh hi oom Kilos! [06:20] hi bduk, mazal, Private_User [06:20] nuvolari waar is jou testimonials? huh [06:20] niemand lief die vlieg en ekke [06:21] hi oom, hierdie is 'n family channel! [06:21] oh [06:21] :P [06:21] die week is deurmekaar oom :-/ [06:21] wanneer gaan oom-hulle aansoek doen? [06:21] ja man lyk my dinge word net erger [06:22] na die meeting op die 27ste wat jy stoel [06:22] ons soek eers nog support [06:23] morning superfly all good there? [06:23] hi Kilos [06:23] yes. all good. [06:24] great [06:24] well, apart from my phone line at home going dead, which I *think* was telkom cutting me off because I didn't pay them by next Monay. [06:24] *Monday [06:24] eish [06:25] you also need a secretary [06:28] ai! and now they charge penalty as well [06:28] or is it only power that charges that [06:33] is anyone else having issues with the Ubuntu wiki? [06:33] only at times [06:34] working here im on your and my pages and the membership page [06:35] reload was quick now [06:35] Yeah, it seems to be working now. [06:35] i had to go edit by you to see how you did things but didnt change anything [06:36] like making blocks around contact info. the pro helped me [06:37] i need a new head to remember all this stuff [06:39] superfly everything was working fine from my side , didn't have a problem [06:39] i see one can also apply for membership with the irc council [06:39] ya mazal it has glitches every now and again [06:41] It looks good, Kilos [06:41] I'll come write a testimonial for you tonight or tomorrow night [06:42] no rush we have time still ty. can you see any more i need to do there? [06:42] we seem to be battling to get anyone else involved [06:43] and the global jam coming up as well, but no one has time [06:44] also no place to do it [06:44] only online seems to be our only option [06:55] and it's very tech-orientated [06:55] which excludes almost everyone here [06:56] Kilos: are you editing your page? [06:58] good mornings [06:58] hi inetpro [06:59] * inetpro started a page last night [06:59] still not 100% convinced that I should even do it [07:00] hmm... [07:00] still need to think about what I put there [07:00] nope superfly but i just closed it [07:01] yay inetpro [07:01] inetpro do it [07:01] dont think just do [07:01] I don't contribute anything man [07:02] you can put that you helped the domdonner from the beginning [07:02] inetpro: helping out in IRC is something [07:02] you do man [07:02] apply with me [07:03] if they fail us we go irc council and try there and or reapply later [07:03] you and the fly have been my bread and butter and jam for years [07:04] and we can attend the jam together and learn from them [07:05] ai! ek sukkel met my volk man [07:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam%2FIrcCouncil [07:07] but thats only if we dont pass this time [07:09] we don't have to go all at the same time [07:10] ya we will catch them in a good mood and its better we all stay awake late one night only [07:10] we gotta support each other [07:12] we gotta support others to follow the same process [07:12] encourage is more what we must do i think [07:13] * inetpro would love to get that signed certificate from sabdfl [07:13] sabdfl? [07:13] Maaz: sabdfl [07:13] Mark Shuttleworth calls himself the "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life", or SABDFL, and the Ubuntu community often uses this name to refer to him [07:14] lol [07:14] Kilos: that is his nickname on irc [07:15] we look at that certificate after we are members now get going [07:15] i editted your page, hehe [07:15] ai! [07:15] lol [07:16] Kilos: Under construction [07:16] i feel naughty today [07:16] rofl [07:16] ooo that was lekker [07:16] * inetpro has work to do [07:17] chat later [07:17] a good laugh a day makes everyone happier [07:18] i like this being able to edit wiki pages [07:30] hey Xethron [07:33] thats better. just battling a bit to think of how to say things so an edit of my edit will be appreciated [07:35] ai! that @sig@ didnt work [07:38] oh my. ty superfly [07:38] Kilos: I think you must be logged in for that to work ? [07:39] And sig must be capital letters I think ? [07:39] hmm... lemme try again. im sure my login is auto because i see the edit button immediately [07:40] oh ya ty [07:40] ai! [07:41] well spotted mazal ty [07:43] using caps is an extra key to use so i often forget it [07:48] Heya superfly :) [07:54] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:56] 'lo [08:28] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:28] hi fly [08:28] You still haven't put your three words on my wiki page :-P [08:28] "I love you"? [08:29] no? a bit off topic maybe [08:29] lol [08:30] what's the link again? [08:36] hahaha [08:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly [08:37] ThatGraemeGuy: it was, IIRC, "that guy? ugh!" [08:37] hehehe [08:37] yeah lets stick with that [08:50] ok done [08:50] i lost count but i suspect it might be more than 3 words [08:50] ^^ superfly [08:51] Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it! [08:51] * superfly goes to look [08:51] mmm the @SIG@ didn't seem to work [08:51] oh duh [08:51] i previewed [08:52] ok done for real this time :) [08:52] Let me reiterate: [08:52] Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it! [08:53] hehe, np [08:53] lol [08:56] hi gremble [08:57] get more of your varsity buddies to join us man [08:58] Kilos: you see, you are our backbone here [08:58] ai! [08:59] julle maak my skaam [08:59] Hey Kilos [08:59] Hey inetpro [08:59] 90% of the time im even off topic [09:00] Kilos: ek stem met hom saam [09:00] ai! [09:01] only thing in my favour is im not still under construction [09:01] just keep doing it, you are the man! [09:04] you forget this is my home [09:04] hehe, you even posted on my page? Thanks! [09:04] yw [09:05] every word is true, just might need checking [09:05] hmm... now I have no choice [09:06] yip [09:06] 3 for membership application [09:06] wooo [09:07] ek eet kawe stam van namibia [09:07] hulle groei op miershope daar [09:09] hi Vince-0 [09:12] hi [09:13] some of the young ones were looking for lug support last night [09:13] gremble heres a lug man [09:13] an active lug [09:13] Do you guys think SA will get the Ubuntu phone ? [09:14] o_O [09:14] i didn't even realise it was still a thing [09:14] thought that idea died [09:14] It did ? Ag nee [09:14] ya they even offered one for testing [09:15] that would be a phone i could use [09:15] I always said that will be the day I finally buy a smartphone [09:15] these android things are hard work [09:16] Wish I kept last weeks news letter , I'm sure there was something about it in there [09:19] i don't think i'd buy one [09:20] smart devices are more about the app ecosystem than anything [09:21] mazal: if we have more local Ubuntu members (which is why we're applying), then Canonical is willing to give us one [09:31] nlsthzn why so quiet? [09:31] work? [09:31] ahabs only work when it rains [09:32] EvilDMP do you monitor us from your mobile device as well? [09:33] Kilos: no [09:33] 2 pcs? [09:33] But I have a bouncer on my server so it looks like I'm eternally present [09:33] 2 of you here [09:33] I have no idea why that happens [09:33] one with a tail [09:33] hehe [09:34] did you have any joy with that project? [09:35] Kilos: Python Namibia? We didn't find anyone to help us out with an Ubuntu installation party, but most other things are falling into place [09:36] did you try the namibia ubuntu peeps? [09:36] We have a good draft programme ready: http://python-namibia.org/programme/ [09:36] Yes [09:36] [09:36] eish [09:37] actually we are the only official loco in africa i think [09:37] how much time have you got left [09:37] and a nice write-up in the University press release here [09:37] The problem is more about actually getting there I think [09:37] Python Namibia, nice! [09:37] 10 days! [09:38] whew not much hey. maybe they dont have python peeps in their ubuntu crowd [09:40] we'll manage [09:40] superfly do you know anyone with the time to go there [09:40] maybe do it online [09:40] of course Python users are also all invited to http://2015.djangocon.eu, which I'm also busy with [09:40] Kilos: to PyNam? No [09:41] shame they are struggling [09:41] would be nice to join up the continents like that [09:41] * superfly prefers to stay away from Django [09:43] good luck EvilDMP nice to see you stayed by the friendlish ubuntu channel [09:43] friendliest [09:44] Kilos: I shall let you know at least how it went, and maybe if it all works out as planned the following year there'll be another opportunity! [09:44] cool ty [09:47] You know what would be cool, is if we could get in touch with the unofficial African LoCos and just maintain those links. [09:47] yeah [09:48] like that guy near andrew [09:48] he only comes here when he got probs though hehe [09:49] Maaz seen somaunn [09:49] Kilos: somaunn was last seen 1 month, 14 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-07 02:22:56 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-12-12 14:28:12 PST [09:49] i should get these peeps email addys so i can nag them [10:05] much easier to stay off irc than to stop reading your mail [10:06] only the pro has his mail box in file 13 [10:06] easy to ignore mails [10:07] most peeps are too nosy [10:07] when you get too many of them it's impossible to read them all [10:07] My email is dev-null@grump.xyz. I promise that I'll read it [10:07] ya you have to be selective on what mails you get [10:07] better to have a couple or few addies for different things [10:08] lemme add it gremble [10:08] That was a joke [10:08] grrrr [10:08] /dev/null is where files go to die [10:08] oh my [10:08] :P [10:08] is the great oblivion :) [10:09] It is where I save important things like to-do lists and birthday reminders [10:09] oh i have yours gremble [10:10] are you the only maths guiy in your class that uses linux [10:11] I don't know [10:11] maths peeps are supposed to be cleverer [10:11] The classes are generally fairly large [10:11] Not with computers, I have found [10:11] A lot of them fail the introduction to programming class [10:11] put a note up on the door saying Kilos says join #ubuntu-za [10:12] ..and use Kubuntu [10:12] I'll go do that [10:12] ArchLinux [10:12] we have a channel for learning [10:12] any linux we got them all [10:13] i think Trixar_za does arch too [10:13] used to be a slitaz man [10:14] #linux-studies [10:20] Kilos: ai! [10:21] watg nou? [10:21] wat ook [10:21] you keep punting the studies channel but there's nothing happening there [10:21] * inetpro feeling his old grumpy self again [10:22] hehe ya but if it gets punted enough it might grow [10:22] not so? [10:22] then you got more work [10:22] uh [10:24] did i not say they must first join here old man? [10:24] ai! ek sukkel darem [10:25] selective readers [10:30] Kilos , I changed my feed reader also now to K's default reader [10:31] That also looks better than what I used before [10:31] cool you getting there [10:31] everything on kde works better [10:31] Using Akregator now , previously used liferea [10:31] only bad thing i think is kmail [10:32] Mail and web I still stay with Thunderbird and Chromium [10:32] you read them online? [10:32] What , my mail ? [10:32] ya [10:32] Nope , Thunderbird [10:33] oh [10:33] i didnt like thunderbird so use evolution [10:34] I used evolution for a long time many moons ago , then switched to thundebird [10:34] Can't even remember what the reason was. I'm happy with thunderbird [10:34] what i dont like about it is that it hasnt got its own backup utility like evo [10:35] Well I backup the complete home folder anyway , so that is not an issue [10:35] evo backup remembers all my mail stuff [10:35] ya but with home backed up you cant use the same thing on different falvours [10:36] i tried a home backup of unity once onto e new kde install [10:36] that was a disaster [10:36] You can , when I re-installed my pc with K I simply put back the .thunderbird folder. Everything there. And it was unity before [10:37] It's when you put back EVERYTHING in home from another distro that the trouble starts [10:37] ya lol [10:37] That I did once , and never again. Now , even on same distro , there is only a few folder in home that I put back [10:38] i havent had probs with home backup to same distro [10:38] The only drawback I found in thunderbird at the start was the fact that it doesn't have a calendar , but that is easily added with the lightning add-on [10:41] Kilos: Is evolution still supported and updates frequently ? [10:41] yes its in the repos [10:41] I must maybe look at it again one day. When I had issues with it was long ago , even before I started using ubuntu , was in my Red Hat days. [10:42] shame [11:02] whew mozamb ique seriously flooded [11:02] 1 metre of rain [11:02] we need that [11:03] zambezia province [11:06] good afternoon [11:06] Maaz: coffee on [11:06] * Maaz washes some mugs [11:06] hi Kilos [11:07] hi charl [11:07] are you also known as charlvm [11:07] or was it vn [11:07] hmm... [11:07] nope [11:07] well my surname is van niekerk [11:07] so you could shorten it like that [11:07] thats why i thought it was you [11:08] im trying to find the link [11:08] http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/member.php/9546-kilos [11:08] looking [11:09] ?? [11:10] the one follower in there is charlvn [11:10] hehe [11:10] ah [11:10] i see yes [11:10] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:10] Maaz: thanks [11:10] charl: No problem [11:10] Kilos: is that your account on some forum? [11:11] nope [11:11] ah ok [11:11] i cant do that stuff he does [11:11] what? type and click submit? [11:11] :P [11:11] hi ThatGraemeGuy [11:11] how are you doing [11:13] good thanks, you? :) [11:14] i'm good [11:14] busy looking at ubuntu core and snappy [11:15] it fills in nicely with docker [11:17] they are running it on the beagleboard as well [11:17] very interesting [11:17] i would prefer something standard like ubuntu rather than raspbian on the pi [11:18] beaglebone is more expensive than the raspberry though [11:29] Kilos: with gmail you really don't need local backups of your mail [11:30] inetpro: why not? [11:30] i have it because i just get new mails inetpro [11:30] and the backup is mainly to remeber all my accounts [11:30] but you can easily store mail in separate local folders inside thunderbird if you want that [11:31] i have too many mails at gmail to go hunting [11:31] charl: it's all available and fully searchable online [11:31] thats even more thinking man [11:31] inetpro: and you trust google to keep it that way? [11:32] * charl has offline backups of mail, irrespective of provider [11:32] keep what? [11:32] they have a lot to loose if they mess things up [11:33] charl: yes I have my reservations but Google owns me [11:33] ah :D [11:33] all your base ... :P [11:34] * charl does not trust anything that does not run on his own hardware [11:35] Kilos: if you backup your /home folder, thunderbird is backed up as part of that automagically [11:37] at the office I have a local thunderbird for best performance [11:37] lets first get past the membership before thinking about more stuff [11:38] plus lightning to handle meeting requests and calendaring [11:39] go finish your page so we can add you in the mail for testimonials [11:40] not sure whether it is true still but evolution used to be very bloated and slow [11:40] it is only a bit slow on a good pc, but thats only when opening it [11:41] otherwise i dont even know its there on its own workspace until a new mail arrives [11:41] just add in the intro that you are old and often grumpy [11:42] * mazal agrees with charl [11:42] * Kilos hides [11:42] ai! [11:42] haha [11:42] Talking gmail , I had a strange happening yesterday [11:43] charl you may go do a testimonial for me [11:43] what mazal ? [11:43] A mail that was in thunderbird didn't show online there [11:43] It was missing online [11:43] oi [11:44] i just have to sometimes tell evo that you guys mails arent really junk [11:44] mazal: missing in the inbox perhaps, what if you looked at All Mail? [11:44] The new mail came in , didn't read it , closed my apps and started backups , remembered about that mail , opened web to go read it , missing [11:45] All others was there , except that one. Any idea why that happens ? [11:45] junk folder? [11:45] spam? [11:45] It never happened before with any other message [11:46] mazal: look at the "All Mail" folder [11:46] something triggers funny things [11:46] as in how can ubuntu mails end up in spam? [11:46] Will check that next time inetpro , but why just this once , random glitch ? [11:47] it's probably still there [11:47] It wasn't in there Kilos , when I opened my thunderbird again there it was in inbox as it were [11:48] ai! [11:49] all depends on your settings [11:49] and possibly filters [11:50] Another thing I don't understand : Why when I delete stuff in inbox does it stay in all mail ? and 2. Why if I dlete it in all mail in thunderbird does it stay online in all mail and don't delete there as well ? [11:50] I frequently have to go to gmail web interface to go and clean all mail [11:50] you can change it the way you prefer it [11:51] At gmail side or thunderbird side ? [11:52] mazal: why clean it if you can just keep it [11:52] I don't like clutter [11:52] Even all the send items go and pile up there [11:52] just keep a clean inbox [11:52] Maybe I must just unsubscribe that folder in thunderbird then I won't see it :) [11:53] How goes the saying " What you don't see won't bother you " [11:54] I have often had to find old mail and after many years I have still only used 28% of available space [11:55] Will go unsubscribe that folder as soon as I can open my thunderbird again , then I can forget about it [11:58] but like charl says, if you are concerned about your privacy you should not be using gmail at all [11:59] mazal: but I also still prefer pop over imap [11:59] ya i use pop as well [12:00] don't have to do it my way [12:00]