[00:05] <kulelu88> EvilDMP: Hey there. Did your pycon go well?
[00:06] <kulelu88> They've been talking about Ruby, Rails, Node, JS, but silently, Python dominates the software market just like Java and C#
[04:40] <Kilos> and its only konversation here in my mind, great expectations the happy kind
[04:41] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  inetpro  captine  bduk1  ambo_  nuvolari  octoquad  Private_User  SilverCode  Squirm  and others as well
[04:54] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[04:57] <mazal> More oom
[05:03] <Private_User> morning Kilos
[05:24] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[05:28] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:42] <Kilos> bduk  die lam begin wei, net wankelrig
[05:44] <bduk> ek is bly Kilos 
[05:44] <Kilos> dankie ek ook
[05:45] <Kilos> moes net soek vir haar vanoggend
[06:16] <bduk> Ish Kilos didn't know you were that ugly that even your sheep hide from you
[06:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:19] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos!
[06:20] <nuvolari> hi bduk, mazal, Private_User 
[06:20] <Kilos> nuvolari  waar is jou testimonials? huh
[06:20] <Kilos> niemand lief die vlieg en ekke
[06:21] <nuvolari> hi oom, hierdie is 'n family channel!
[06:21] <nuvolari> oh
[06:21] <nuvolari> :P
[06:21] <nuvolari> die week is deurmekaar oom :-/
[06:21] <nuvolari> wanneer gaan oom-hulle aansoek doen?
[06:21] <Kilos> ja man lyk my dinge word net erger
[06:22] <Kilos> na die meeting op die 27ste wat jy stoel
[06:22] <Kilos> ons soek eers nog support
[06:23] <Kilos> morning superfly  all good there?
[06:23] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:23] <superfly> yes. all good.
[06:24] <Kilos> great
[06:24] <superfly> well, apart from my phone line at home going dead, which I *think* was telkom cutting me off because I didn't pay them by next Monay.
[06:24] <superfly> *Monday
[06:24] <Kilos> eish
[06:25] <Kilos> you also need a secretary
[06:28] <Kilos> ai! and now they charge penalty as well
[06:28] <Kilos> or is it only power that charges that
[06:33] <superfly> is anyone else having issues with the Ubuntu wiki?
[06:33] <Kilos> only at times
[06:34] <Kilos> working here im on your and my pages and the membership page
[06:35] <Kilos> reload was quick now
[06:35] <superfly> Yeah, it seems to be working now.
[06:35] <Kilos> i had to go edit by you to see how you did things but didnt change anything
[06:36] <Kilos> like making blocks around contact info. the pro helped me
[06:37] <Kilos> i need a new head to remember all this stuff
[06:39] <mazal> superfly everything was working fine from my side , didn't have a problem
[06:39] <Kilos> i see one can also apply for membership with the irc council
[06:39] <Kilos> ya mazal  it has glitches every now and again
[06:41] <superfly> It looks good, Kilos
[06:41] <superfly> I'll come write a testimonial for you tonight or tomorrow night
[06:42] <Kilos> no rush we have time still ty. can you see any more i need to do there?
[06:42] <Kilos> we seem to be battling to get anyone else involved
[06:43] <Kilos> and the global jam coming up as well, but no one has time
[06:44] <superfly> also no place to do it
[06:44] <Kilos> only online seems to be our only option
[06:55] <superfly> and it's very tech-orientated
[06:55] <superfly> which excludes almost everyone here
[06:56] <superfly> Kilos: are you editing your page?
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <superfly> hi inetpro
[06:59]  * inetpro started a page last night 
[06:59] <inetpro> still not 100% convinced that I should even do it
[07:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:00] <inetpro> still need to think about what I put there
[07:00] <Kilos> nope superfly  but i just closed it
[07:01] <Kilos> yay inetpro  
[07:01] <Kilos> inetpro  do it
[07:01] <Kilos> dont think just do
[07:01] <inetpro> I don't contribute anything man
[07:02] <Kilos> you can put that you helped the domdonner from the beginning
[07:02] <superfly> inetpro: helping out in IRC is something
[07:02] <Kilos> you do man
[07:02] <Kilos> apply with me
[07:03] <Kilos> if they fail us we go irc council and try there and or reapply later
[07:03] <Kilos> you and the fly have been my bread and butter and jam for years
[07:04] <Kilos> and we can attend the jam together and learn from them
[07:05] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk man
[07:07] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam%2FIrcCouncil
[07:07] <Kilos> but thats only if we dont pass this time
[07:09] <inetpro> we don't have to go all at the same time
[07:10] <Kilos> ya we will catch them in a good mood and its better we all stay awake late one night only
[07:10] <Kilos> we gotta support each other
[07:12] <inetpro> we gotta support others to follow the same process 
[07:12] <Kilos> encourage is more what we must do i think
[07:13]  * inetpro would love to get that signed certificate from sabdfl
[07:13] <Kilos> sabdfl?
[07:13] <inetpro> Maaz: sabdfl
[07:13] <Maaz> Mark Shuttleworth calls himself the "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life", or SABDFL, and the Ubuntu community often uses this name to refer to him
[07:14] <Kilos> lol
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: that is his nickname on irc
[07:15] <Kilos> we look at that certificate after we are members now get going
[07:15] <Kilos> i editted your page, hehe
[07:15] <inetpro> ai!
[07:15] <inetpro> lol
[07:16] <inetpro> Kilos: Under construction 
[07:16] <Kilos> i feel naughty today
[07:16] <Kilos> rofl
[07:16] <Kilos> ooo that was lekker
[07:16]  * inetpro has work to do
[07:17] <inetpro> chat later
[07:17] <Kilos> a good laugh a day makes everyone happier
[07:18] <Kilos> i like this being able to edit wiki pages
[07:30] <superfly> hey Xethron
[07:33] <Kilos> thats better. just battling a bit to think of how to say things so an edit of my edit will be appreciated
[07:35] <Kilos> ai! that @sig@ didnt work
[07:38] <Kilos> oh my. ty superfly  
[07:38] <mazal> Kilos: I think you must be logged in for that to work ?
[07:39] <mazal> And sig must be capital letters I think ?
[07:39] <Kilos> hmm... lemme try again. im sure my login is auto because i see the edit button immediately
[07:40] <Kilos> oh ya ty
[07:40] <Kilos> ai! 
[07:41] <Kilos> well spotted mazal  ty
[07:43] <Kilos> using caps is an extra key to use so i often forget it
[07:48] <Xethron> Heya superfly :)
[07:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:28] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[08:28] <superfly> You still haven't put your three words on my wiki page :-P
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> "I love you"?
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no? a bit off topic maybe
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's the link again?
[08:36] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:37] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly
[08:37] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: it was, IIRC, "that guy? ugh!"
[08:37] <Kilos> hehehe
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah lets stick with that
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok done
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> i lost count but i suspect it might be more than 3 words
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ^^ superfly 
[08:51] <superfly> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it!
[08:51]  * superfly goes to look
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm the @SIG@ didn't seem to work
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh duh
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i previewed
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok done for real this time :)
[08:52] <superfly> Let me reiterate:
[08:52] <superfly> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, I appreciate it!
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe, np
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:56] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[08:57] <Kilos> get more of your varsity buddies to join us man
[08:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, you are our backbone here
[08:58] <Kilos> ai!
[08:59] <Kilos> julle maak my skaam
[08:59] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[08:59] <gremble> Hey inetpro 
[08:59] <Kilos> 90% of the time im even off topic
[09:00] <inetpro> Kilos: ek stem met hom saam
[09:00] <Kilos> ai!
[09:01] <Kilos> only thing in my favour is im not still under construction
[09:01] <inetpro> just keep doing it, you are the man!
[09:04] <Kilos> you forget this is my home
[09:04] <inetpro> hehe, you even posted on my page? Thanks!
[09:04] <Kilos> yw
[09:05] <Kilos> every word is true, just might need checking 
[09:05] <inetpro> hmm... now I have no choice
[09:06] <Kilos> yip
[09:06] <Kilos> 3 for membership application
[09:06] <Kilos> wooo
[09:07] <Kilos> ek eet kawe stam van namibia
[09:07] <Kilos> hulle groei op miershope daar
[09:09] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[09:12] <Vince-0> hi
[09:13] <Kilos> some of the young ones were looking for lug support last night
[09:13] <Kilos> gremble  heres a lug man
[09:13] <Kilos> an active lug
[09:13] <mazal> Do you guys think SA will get the Ubuntu phone ?
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> i didn't even realise it was still a thing
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> thought that idea died
[09:14] <mazal> It did ? Ag nee
[09:14] <Kilos> ya they even offered one for testing
[09:15] <Kilos> that would be a phone i could use
[09:15] <mazal> I always said that will be the day I finally buy a smartphone
[09:15] <Kilos> these android things are hard work
[09:16] <mazal> Wish I kept last weeks news letter , I'm sure there was something about it in there
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't think i'd buy one
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> smart devices are more about the app ecosystem than anything
[09:21] <superfly> mazal: if we have more local Ubuntu members (which is why we're applying), then Canonical is willing to give us one
[09:31] <Kilos> nlsthzn  why so quiet?
[09:31] <Kilos> work?
[09:31] <Kilos> ahabs only work when it rains
[09:32] <Kilos> EvilDMP  do you monitor us from your mobile device as well?
[09:33] <EvilDMP> Kilos: no
[09:33] <Kilos> 2 pcs?
[09:33] <EvilDMP> But I have a bouncer on my server so it looks like I'm eternally present
[09:33] <Kilos> 2 of you here
[09:33] <EvilDMP> I have no idea why that happens
[09:33] <Kilos> one with a tail
[09:33] <Kilos> hehe
[09:34] <Kilos> did you have any joy with that project?
[09:35] <EvilDMP> Kilos: Python Namibia? We didn't find anyone to help us out with an Ubuntu installation party, but most other things are falling into place
[09:36] <Kilos> did you try the namibia ubuntu peeps?
[09:36] <EvilDMP> We have a good draft programme ready:  http://python-namibia.org/programme/
[09:36] <EvilDMP> Yes
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[09:36] <Kilos> eish
[09:37] <Kilos> actually we are the only official loco in africa i think
[09:37] <Kilos> how much time have you got left
[09:37] <EvilDMP> and a nice write-up in the University press release here
[09:37] <gremble> The problem is more about actually getting there I think
[09:37] <superfly> Python Namibia, nice!
[09:37] <EvilDMP> 10 days!
[09:38] <Kilos> whew not much hey. maybe they dont have python peeps in their ubuntu crowd
[09:40] <EvilDMP> we'll manage
[09:40] <Kilos> superfly  do you know anyone with the time to go there
[09:40] <Kilos> maybe do it online
[09:40] <EvilDMP> of course Python users are also all invited to http://2015.djangocon.eu, which I'm also busy with
[09:40] <superfly> Kilos: to PyNam? No
[09:41] <Kilos> shame they are struggling
[09:41] <EvilDMP> would be nice to join up the continents like that
[09:41]  * superfly prefers to stay away from Django
[09:43] <Kilos> good luck EvilDMP  nice to see you stayed by the friendlish ubuntu channel
[09:43] <Kilos> friendliest
[09:44] <EvilDMP> Kilos: I shall let you know at least how it went, and maybe if it all works out as planned the following year there'll be another opportunity!
[09:44] <Kilos> cool ty
[09:47] <superfly> You know what would be cool, is if we could get in touch with the unofficial African LoCos and just maintain those links.
[09:47] <Kilos> yeah
[09:48] <Kilos> like that guy near andrew
[09:48] <Kilos> he only comes here when he got probs though hehe
[09:49] <Kilos> Maaz  seen somaunn
[09:49] <Maaz> Kilos: somaunn was last seen 1 month, 14 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-07 02:22:56 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-12-12 14:28:12 PST
[09:49] <Kilos> i should get these peeps email addys so i can nag them
[10:05] <Kilos> much easier to stay off irc than to stop reading your mail
[10:06] <Kilos> only the pro has his mail box in file 13
[10:06] <inetpro> easy to ignore mails
[10:07] <Kilos> most peeps are too nosy
[10:07] <inetpro> when you get too many of them it's impossible to read them all
[10:07] <gremble> My email is dev-null@grump.xyz. I promise that I'll read it
[10:07] <Kilos> ya you have to be selective on what mails you get
[10:07] <Kilos> better to have a couple or few addies for different things
[10:08] <Kilos> lemme add it gremble  
[10:08] <gremble> That was a joke
[10:08] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:08] <gremble> /dev/null is where files go to die
[10:08] <Kilos> oh my
[10:08] <gremble> :P
[10:08] <mazal> is the great oblivion :)
[10:09] <gremble> It is where I save important things like to-do lists and birthday reminders
[10:09] <Kilos> oh i have yours gremble  
[10:10] <Kilos> are you the only maths guiy in your class that uses linux
[10:11] <gremble> I don't know
[10:11] <Kilos> maths peeps are supposed to be cleverer
[10:11] <gremble> The classes are generally fairly large
[10:11] <gremble> Not with computers, I have found
[10:11] <gremble> A lot of them fail the introduction to programming class
[10:11] <Kilos> put a note up on the door saying Kilos says join #ubuntu-za
[10:12] <mazal> ..and use Kubuntu
[10:12] <gremble> I'll go do that
[10:12] <gremble> ArchLinux
[10:12] <Kilos> we have a channel for learning
[10:12] <Kilos> any linux we got them all
[10:13] <Kilos> i think Trixar_za  does arch too
[10:13] <Kilos> used to be a slitaz man
[10:14] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[10:20] <inetpro> Kilos: ai! 
[10:21] <Kilos> watg nou?
[10:21] <Kilos> wat ook
[10:21] <inetpro> you keep punting the studies channel but there's nothing happening there
[10:21]  * inetpro feeling his old grumpy self again
[10:22] <Kilos> hehe ya but if it gets punted enough it might grow
[10:22] <Kilos> not so?
[10:22] <Kilos> then you got more work
[10:22] <inetpro> uh
[10:24] <Kilos> did i not say they must first join here old man?
[10:24] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[10:25] <Kilos> selective readers
[10:30] <mazal> Kilos , I changed my feed reader also now to K's default reader
[10:31] <mazal> That also looks better than what I used before
[10:31] <Kilos> cool you getting there
[10:31] <Kilos> everything on kde works better
[10:31] <mazal> Using Akregator now , previously used liferea
[10:31] <Kilos> only bad thing i think is kmail
[10:32] <mazal> Mail and web I still stay with Thunderbird and Chromium
[10:32] <Kilos> you read them online?
[10:32] <mazal> What , my mail ?
[10:32] <Kilos> ya
[10:32] <mazal> Nope , Thunderbird
[10:33] <Kilos> oh
[10:33] <Kilos> i didnt like thunderbird so use evolution
[10:34] <mazal> I used evolution for a long time many moons ago , then switched to thundebird
[10:34] <mazal> Can't even remember what the reason was. I'm happy with thunderbird
[10:34] <Kilos> what i dont like about it is that it hasnt got its own backup utility like evo
[10:35] <mazal> Well I backup the complete home folder anyway , so that is not an issue
[10:35] <Kilos> evo backup remembers all my mail stuff
[10:35] <Kilos> ya but with home backed up you cant use the same thing on different falvours
[10:36] <Kilos> i tried a home backup of unity once onto e new kde install
[10:36] <Kilos> that was a disaster
[10:36] <mazal> You can , when I re-installed my pc with K I simply put back the .thunderbird folder. Everything there. And it was unity before
[10:37] <mazal> It's when you put back EVERYTHING in home from another distro that the trouble starts
[10:37] <Kilos> ya lol
[10:37] <mazal> That I did once , and never again. Now , even on same distro , there is only a few folder in home that I put back
[10:38] <Kilos> i havent had probs with home backup to same distro
[10:38] <mazal> The only drawback I found in thunderbird at the start was the fact that it doesn't have a calendar , but that is easily added with the lightning add-on
[10:41] <mazal> Kilos: Is evolution still supported and updates frequently ?
[10:41] <Kilos> yes its in the repos
[10:41] <mazal> I must maybe look at it again one day. When I had issues with it was long ago , even before I started using ubuntu , was in my Red Hat days.
[10:42] <Kilos> shame
[11:02] <Kilos> whew mozamb ique seriously flooded
[11:02] <Kilos> 1 metre of rain
[11:02] <Kilos> we need that
[11:03] <Kilos> zambezia province
[11:06] <charl> good afternoon
[11:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:06]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:06] <charl> hi Kilos
[11:07] <Kilos> hi charl  
[11:07] <Kilos> are you also known as charlvm
[11:07] <Kilos> or was it vn
[11:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:07] <charl> nope
[11:07] <charl> well my surname is van niekerk
[11:07] <charl> so you could shorten it like that
[11:07] <Kilos> thats why i thought it was you
[11:08] <Kilos> im trying to find the link
[11:08] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/member.php/9546-kilos
[11:08] <charl> looking
[11:09] <charl> ??
[11:10] <Kilos> the one follower in there is charlvn
[11:10] <Kilos> hehe
[11:10] <charl> ah
[11:10] <charl> i see yes
[11:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:10] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:10] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[11:10] <charl> Kilos: is that your account on some forum?
[11:11] <Kilos> nope
[11:11] <charl> ah ok
[11:11] <Kilos> i cant do that stuff he does
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> what? type and click submit?
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[11:11] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:11] <charl> how are you doing
[11:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> good thanks, you? :)
[11:14] <charl> i'm good
[11:14] <charl> busy looking at ubuntu core and snappy
[11:15] <charl> it fills in nicely with docker
[11:17] <charl> they are running it on the beagleboard as well
[11:17] <charl> very interesting
[11:17] <charl> i would prefer something standard like ubuntu rather than raspbian on the pi
[11:18] <charl> beaglebone is more expensive than the raspberry though
[11:29] <inetpro> Kilos: with gmail you really don't need local backups of your mail
[11:30] <charl> inetpro: why not?
[11:30] <Kilos> i have it because i just get new mails inetpro  
[11:30] <Kilos> and the backup is mainly to remeber all my accounts
[11:30] <inetpro> but you can easily store mail in separate local folders inside thunderbird if you want that
[11:31] <Kilos> i have too many mails at gmail to go hunting
[11:31] <inetpro> charl: it's all available and fully searchable online
[11:31] <Kilos> thats even more thinking man
[11:31] <charl> inetpro: and you trust google to keep it that way?
[11:32]  * charl has offline backups of mail, irrespective of provider
[11:32] <Kilos> keep what?
[11:32] <inetpro> they have a lot to loose if they mess things up
[11:33] <inetpro> charl: yes I have my reservations but Google owns me
[11:33] <charl> ah :D
[11:33] <charl> all your base ... :P
[11:34]  * charl does not trust anything that does not run on his own hardware
[11:35] <inetpro> Kilos: if you backup your /home folder, thunderbird is backed up as part of that automagically
[11:37] <inetpro> at the office I have a local thunderbird for best performance 
[11:37] <Kilos> lets first get past the membership before thinking about more stuff
[11:38] <inetpro> plus lightning to handle meeting requests and calendaring 
[11:39] <Kilos> go finish your page so we can add you in the mail for testimonials
[11:40] <inetpro> not sure whether it is true still but evolution used to be very bloated and slow
[11:40] <Kilos> it is only a bit slow on a good pc, but thats only when opening it
[11:41] <Kilos> otherwise i dont even know its there on its own workspace until a new mail arrives
[11:41] <Kilos> just add in the intro that you are old and often grumpy
[11:42]  * mazal agrees with charl
[11:42]  * Kilos hides
[11:42] <inetpro> ai!
[11:42] <Kilos> haha
[11:42] <mazal> Talking gmail , I had a strange happening yesterday
[11:43] <Kilos> charl  you may go do a testimonial for me
[11:43] <Kilos> what mazal  ?
[11:43] <mazal> A mail that was in thunderbird didn't show online there
[11:43] <mazal> It was missing online
[11:43] <Kilos> oi
[11:44] <Kilos> i just have to sometimes tell evo that you guys mails arent really junk
[11:44] <inetpro> mazal: missing in the inbox perhaps, what if you looked at All Mail?
[11:44] <mazal> The new mail came in , didn't read it , closed my apps and started backups , remembered about that mail , opened web to go read it , missing
[11:45] <mazal> All others was there , except that one. Any idea why that happens ?
[11:45] <Kilos> junk folder?
[11:45] <Kilos> spam?
[11:45] <mazal> It never happened before with any other message
[11:46] <inetpro> mazal: look at the "All Mail" folder
[11:46] <Kilos> something triggers funny things
[11:46] <Kilos> as in how can ubuntu mails end up in spam?
[11:46] <mazal> Will check that next time inetpro , but why just this once , random glitch ?
[11:47] <inetpro> it's probably still there
[11:47] <mazal> It wasn't in there Kilos , when I opened my thunderbird again there it was in inbox as it were
[11:48] <Kilos> ai!
[11:49] <inetpro> all depends on your settings 
[11:49] <inetpro> and possibly filters
[11:50] <mazal> Another thing I don't understand : Why when I delete stuff in inbox does it stay in all mail ? and 2. Why if I dlete it in all mail in thunderbird does it stay online in all mail and don't delete there as well ?
[11:50] <mazal> I frequently have to go to gmail web interface to go and clean all mail
[11:50] <inetpro> you can change it the way you prefer it
[11:51] <mazal> At gmail side or thunderbird side ?
[11:52] <inetpro> mazal: why clean it if you can just keep it
[11:52] <mazal> I don't like clutter
[11:52] <mazal> Even all the send items go and pile up there
[11:52] <inetpro> just keep a clean inbox
[11:52] <mazal> Maybe I must just unsubscribe that folder in thunderbird then I won't see it :)
[11:53] <mazal> How goes the saying " What you don't see won't bother you "
[11:54] <inetpro> I have often had to find old mail and after many years I have still only used 28% of available space
[11:55] <mazal> Will go unsubscribe that folder as soon as I can open my thunderbird again , then I can forget about it
[11:58] <inetpro> but like charl says, if you are concerned about your privacy you should not be using gmail at all
[11:59] <inetpro> mazal: but I also still prefer pop over imap
[11:59] <Kilos> ya i use pop as well
[12:00] <inetpro> don't have to do it my way
[12:00] <Kilos> imap drove me mad
[12:00] <mazal> Only reason I don't do pop is cos I need the mail on 3 different pc's
[12:01] <mazal> You had it at first that it don't delete from server , but then I had to remember to go do it manually once a week. And that remember part is a problem with me. My ram is old
[12:01] <mazal> s/you/me
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> it makes me sad that pop3 isn't dead yet :'-(
[12:02] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> along with ftp
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> utterly ridiculous relics of an age long past
[12:06] <inetpro> imap requires omnipresent Internet connectivity 
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> wut o_O
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> what mail client are you using that doesn't support caching your imap account?
[12:07] <inetpro> has it changed?
[12:07]  * inetpro hasn't used imap for years
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> mail client keeps a local cache of imap account
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> well it does unless you're using a dumb mail client anyway
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> but meh, gmail ftw
[12:10] <inetpro> I tried it long ago and was never happy with the performance of imap vs pop3 on thunderbird
[12:10] <mazal> I can't complain that mine is slow
[12:14] <inetpro> oh and I have always been happy to have my email client out of my way not acting like IM 
[12:14] <inetpro> emails coming in once every 10 minutes is good enough for me
[12:14] <inetpro> should actually make that 30 minutes
[12:18] <inetpro> btw, I see kubuntu devs are looking for alpha testers
[12:18] <Kilos> what diffs does the time make if you ignore mails anyway
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't you work in govt?
[12:20] <inetpro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-January/009163.html
[12:21] <inetpro> ai!
[12:23] <Kilos> wat ai! jy nou weer?
[12:23] <Kilos> Maaz  seen magespawn
[12:23] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 16 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-20 12:02:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-20 12:02:24 PST
[12:24] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: you prefer dealing with every email instantaneously?
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> when I'm at work and customers are paying a load of money every month for the best service in the industry? yes, I do funny enough
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> not dealing with on the spot, but it has to be looked at and slotted in for attention
[12:27] <inetpro> email was designed as a store and forward technology, I say there's space for email as well as for IM
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> my new year's resolution is to not waste my time on pointless debates
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> use what you want, done :)
[12:40] <inetpro> Kilos: he's being tough on me now
[12:40] <Kilos> lol ya
[12:41] <inetpro> I guess it's a pointless debate because it's not about to change any time soon 
[12:42] <inetpro> but I honestly feel, too many people out there expect email to be like IM these days
[12:44] <mazal> wow , even printer install is better on K
[12:45] <Kilos> do kde guy just want someone to test and report bugs?
[12:45] <Kilos> mazal  gaan jy bad vanaand?
[12:45] <mazal> Obviously why ?
[12:45] <inetpro> Kilos: follow the links
[12:45] <Kilos> was jou ore mooi, i told you everything is better
[12:45] <Kilos> hehe
[12:46]  * Kilos ducks again
[12:46] <mazal> hehehe
[12:46] <mazal> Not only did the printer install easier , but I have readouts I didn't have in unity
[12:47] <Kilos> cool
[12:47] <mazal> For this specific printer I had to go do fine tuning before it worked , on K works out of the box
[12:47] <Kilos> the kubuntu team seem to put that extra bit of effort in
[12:47] <mazal> I would have though they use the same driver
[12:48] <Kilos> they arent developing mobile apps as well
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[12:48] <Kilos> so spend all time on kubuntu
[12:50] <mazal> Well Kilos, I am pretty much finished setting up and testing everything that I need on this pc , and I must admit what I see so far is way better than unity
[12:50] <Kilos> hot again today
[12:50] <mazal> Very happy with it
[12:50] <Kilos> the ct guys are cooking as well
[12:50] <Kilos> yeah mazal  kde rocks
[12:52] <mazal> Home time , bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:52] <Kilos> cheers
[12:52] <Kilos> you too
[12:52]  * Kilos waits for bduk  to leave as well
[12:53] <Kilos> he forgot its home time looks like
[12:54] <bduk> No my wife lock me out so think i sleep here tonight
[12:54] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <Kilos> becuase you made her look for sheep disease that isnt there
[12:55] <bduk> No not me
[12:55] <Kilos> tell her i say thank you very much
[12:59] <bduk> i will
[14:50] <Kilos> wb gremble  
[15:37]  * Kilos hides
[15:37] <Kilos> and waits for ai!
[15:38] <gremble> ai?
[15:39]  * nlsthzn just got home from work *yawn*
[15:42] <Kilos> aw have a nap nlsthzn  
[15:47] <nlsthzn> nah food then beer :p
[15:47] <Kilos> lol you naughty
[15:47] <Kilos> beer makes you fat belly
[15:49] <Kilos> oh ya nlsthzn  whats the chances of testimonials
[15:49] <Kilos> gotta get yours
[15:50] <Kilos> i want that membership now so i can think about something else
[15:56] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[16:21] <gremble> lpt don't get tabart in your eyes
[16:21] <gremble> D:
[16:24] <Kilos> eish
[16:26] <nlsthzn> all in good time uncle Kilos ... anything worth doing is worth doing slowly :p
[16:26] <Kilos> get a bottle of citronella oil, make a small hole in the lid and insert string there down to the bottom with a couple of loops. then light the string at the top
[16:26] <Kilos> haha
[16:32] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn  
[16:33] <nlsthzn> thanks :)
[17:56]  * Kilos hides
[18:11] <Kilos> evening superfly  internet fixed
[18:13] <superfly> Nope. On my phone 
[18:13] <Kilos> eish
[18:13] <superfly> Apparently it's an area fault 
[18:13] <Kilos> oh my
[18:25] <inetpro> superfly: how does the following sound?
[18:25] <inetpro> Join us in signing up more South Africans for Official Ubuntu Membership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[18:25] <inetpro> somehow doesn't sound correct
[18:25] <inetpro> want to send a tweet or three
[18:25] <inetpro> good evening btw
[18:26] <inetpro> and then follow up with: "Official Ubuntu Membership means recognition of significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu or the Ubuntu community"
[18:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:38] <inetpro> ok too late to change now... done
[18:39] <Kilos> thats fine just point them here as well
[18:39] <Kilos> we are basically doing this for #ubuntu-za arent we
[18:40] <inetpro> why?
[18:40] <Kilos> why what?
[18:41] <inetpro> 21/01 20:39:34 <Kilos> we are basically doing this for #ubuntu-za arent we
[18:41] <captine> evening all
[18:41] <Kilos> oh that, well why else are we doing it
[18:41] <inetpro> hello captine
[18:41] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:41] <superfly> inetpro: it reflects well on the LoCo, and it means that we have a possibility of getting an Ubuntu Phone prototype in our hands
[18:42] <inetpro> thank you superfly
[18:42] <inetpro> :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> where is our loco?
[18:44] <Kilos> here isnt it?
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: in south africa
[18:45] <inetpro> mailing list is part of it
[18:46] <inetpro> website is part of it
[18:46] <Kilos> ya man but here and the list is our only contact with each other
[18:46] <inetpro> twitter is part of it
[18:46] <inetpro> g+ and facebook is part of it
[18:46] <Kilos> eish the tweet place
[18:46] <inetpro> can't force everyone in here
[18:47] <Kilos> well g+ is you guys domain
[18:47] <Kilos> and fb
[18:47] <captine> i think g+ only gets used for the meeting calendar items?  or am I missing something
[18:47] <Kilos> the lug guys have hangouts there
[18:48] <Kilos> funny how we dont attract the lug guys
[18:48] <Kilos> dbnlug is strong but only one comes here
[18:49] <Kilos> oh and 
[18:49] <Kilos> um
[18:49] <Kilos> smileyborg
[18:50] <inetpro> captine: some peeps have a tendency to stick around only on specific platforms
[18:51] <captine> yip.  for me, IRC is a no no at work, but checking google plus is ok. 
[18:51] <inetpro> all I'm saying is that we should try not to cut them out of the loop
[18:51] <captine> always a risk that having lots of options for comms that are not active ends up causing more challenges than having a few active channels
[18:52] <inetpro> obviously we can't have meetings on each platform, just won't work
[18:52] <Kilos> we arent inetpro  , its just with the membership things thats irc only
[18:53] <Kilos> so peeps that would like to support us have no other choices
[18:55] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn  
[18:55] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[18:55] <nlsthzn> thanks... unity not as stable as gnome shell with wine and demanding games >.<
[18:56] <captine> ah.  we talking about the meetings?  I was just making a gen comment.  Meetings, I agree, should be limited to IRC...  When the internet is good enough, one can have IRC mixed with hangouts
[18:56] <captine> similar to ubuntuonair.com
[18:56] <nlsthzn> hangouts uses lots of data... something not ideal for ZA land
[18:56] <nlsthzn> my 2c 
[18:57] <Kilos> i will look at g+ again, but ate data if i remember right
[18:57] <Kilos> go nlsthzn  
[18:57] <nlsthzn> where do I need to go>
[18:57] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:58] <Kilos> carry on with your 2c man
[18:58] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel vandag
[19:00] <nlsthzn> I already game it :p
[19:00] <nlsthzn> too much data for ZA land :p
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <captine> nlsthzn, agree
[19:02] <captine> hence it would be good to use when our internet is good enough and accessible enough
[19:03] <Kilos> whew i will be too old to see the keyboard by then
[19:04] <captine> If there are things that require downloads, I don't mind helping out (download distros, try help with google plus etc).  Currently I have plenty bandwidth (until the taxman changes rules and forces me to save cash... )
[19:04] <captine> Kilos, might be the case for all of us... internet needs electricity.... lol
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:05] <inetpro> nlsthzn: where do you want to go?
[19:05] <Kilos> actually if you have cash you can get solar panels , batteries and an inverter
[19:06] <Kilos> ty captine  
[19:06] <captine> true... not enough roof space on my house
[19:07] <captine> Kilos, ?
[19:07] <Kilos> you are brad hey?
[19:07] <captine> correct
[19:07] <Kilos> then ty
[19:07] <captine> ok.  np.
[19:07] <Kilos> ty =thank you
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <Kilos> ive had a good day with lots of laughs
[19:08] <captine> so i missed the global jam meeting tonight, but listened to mose of it
[19:08] <nlsthzn> I want to already go to another DE... not even been on unity for 48 hours >><
[19:08] <nlsthzn> >.<
[19:08] <captine> anyone here listen to it?
[19:08] <nlsthzn> grrrr
[19:08] <nlsthzn> cool, glad someone read the mail :p
[19:08] <Kilos> nlsthzn  retire on kde man
[19:08] <captine> nlsthzn, not having used many distros, I love unity
[19:08]  * nlsthzn has used everything...
[19:08] <nlsthzn> twice...
[19:08] <captine> although, would use gnome on antegeros or any other distro
[19:08] <nlsthzn> in the last week
[19:09] <nlsthzn> :'(
[19:09] <Kilos> ya but use something that works all the time man
[19:09] <captine> tried kde once... not a big fan... may use ubuntu mate on a old laptop if unity is too laggy
[19:09] <nlsthzn> I bring KDE to its knees and make it beg for mercy...
[19:09] <Kilos> you didnt give kde a good chance
[19:09] <Kilos> oh my
[19:09]  * nlsthzn goes and uses wine again for pain and suffering... bbl
[19:09] <captine> ubuntu 15.04 gnome edition is meant to come with a pretty recent version
[19:10] <Kilos> wine killed my 10.10 so i havent even tried it again
[19:10] <captine> i use "PlayonLinux" for my wine frontend.. not good enough for straigh wine
[19:11] <captine> so... maybe i am confused, but do we have a complete list of our communication channels, their "purpose" if necessary and a champion for each (may be same person).
[19:11] <captine> my 2 colleagues that I have got onto Ubuntu are highly unlikely to join an IRC channel.. but might subscribe to a google + or something like that
[19:11] <bduk> good evening
[19:11] <Kilos> the pro and fly do them all
[19:12] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[19:12] <captine> hi bduk 
[19:12] <Kilos> time is the killer for family peeps captine  
[19:13] <captine> for sure
[19:13] <captine> I got second one on the way
[19:13] <captine> and struggling with the first in terms of time
[19:13] <captine> lol
[19:13] <Kilos> haha just now youll also be typing one handed
[19:13] <captine> yip
[19:14] <captine> just got the google + meeting invite for next tues...
[19:14] <bduk> dont complain enjoy it it,s a privilige
[19:14] <Kilos> is that after month end?
[19:14] <captine> bduk, not complaining...
[19:14] <Kilos> aw no
[19:15] <captine> Kilos, ?  after month end?
[19:15] <bduk> good captine
[19:15] <Kilos> im stretching data bundle so i put next one in on the first
[19:16] <captine> ah.
[19:18] <captine> i still have 100gig free for the month in day time, and 990gig for after hours... worked out even if downloading non-stop, it is impossible to use all the night time data...  hence they dont offer the night time package on the 20mbps adsl
[19:18] <captine> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> hehe
[19:19] <Kilos> i try use a 2+1 for 2 months
[19:19] <captine> wont survive...
[19:19] <captine> average 170 per month
[19:20] <Kilos> haha
[19:20] <Kilos> gig?
[19:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:20] <Kilos> thats enough for a year for me
[19:21] <Kilos> i dont download movies and them things
[19:21] <Kilos> irc pidgin email and some browsing
[19:24] <captine> yip.  we watch a lot  of youtube... not tv so internet is our thing
[19:24] <captine> wife watching a documentary as we speak and I am streaming some radio
[19:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:24] <captine> but internet is a bit choppy tonight
[19:29] <Kilos> that g+ invite was for here
[19:30] <captine> yip
[19:30] <captine> for meeting on irc next tues
[19:30] <Kilos> ya
[19:30] <Kilos> the pro has been busy
[19:32] <captine> so the new website you are all working on... is that ubuntu-za.org (I know it is not live yet i think, but is that the URL?)
[19:33] <superfly> captine: it'll be ubuntu-za.org
[19:33] <captine> cool
[19:33] <superfly> captine: I've uploaded my latest version to ubuntu-za.snyman.info
[19:33] <superfly> Kilos: I did see your e-mail, btw
[19:34] <captine> so superfly, are we planning for that to be the main place for all info and meeting notes etc etc etc?  or we using the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ site as well
[19:34] <superfly> Kilos: I just haven't had the chance to reply with my edits
[19:34] <Kilos> oh my, what email?
[19:34] <superfly> captine: it's going to be a very simple site, with links to places like the wiki
[19:35] <captine> awesome.  looks really good.
[19:35] <captine> like the embedded IRC
[19:44] <inetpro> good night
[19:44] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[19:45] <captine> night
[19:47] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:47] <gremble> Cheers
[19:48] <charl> have a good night al