[02:07] <manchicken_> I'm online and ready to test.
[02:21] <manchicken_> Doing the vivid upgrade now.
[04:48] <valorie> manchicken: how did it go?
[04:48]  * valorie is holding off until I hear about a few successes
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[07:23] <soee> someone up ?
[07:24] <valorie> hi soee, how's it going?
[07:24] <soee> valorie: good morning, all fine thank you. I have a question
[07:25] <valorie> what's that?
[07:25] <soee> can't upgrade 14.10 to 15.04 A2 because of 2 packages authentication problem, here is some workaround https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1385271 (first answer)
[07:25] <soee> and i wonder if its fine to use it
[07:26] <valorie> that sounds a bit scary to me
[07:27] <valorie> but it looks like it has been happening for months
[07:28] <soee> here on my PC its utopic + Plasma 5.2 beta from next-staging so probably this might cause teh problems
[07:28] <valorie> could be, yeah
[07:28] <valorie> I've got utopic + plasma 5
[07:28] <soee> i could try ppa-purge to romve the packages etc. but probably upgrade will overwrite them anyway
[07:29] <valorie> but not staging
[07:29] <soee> valorie: yes but only with ppa-next
[07:29] <soee> yup
[07:29] <valorie> what happens if you purge the staging PPA?
[07:29] <soee> i did not tried, i do just the upgrade
[07:29] <soee> to vivid
[07:30] <valorie> I think I would try that first using ppa-purge
[07:30] <soee> to late :D
[07:30] <soee> downloading upgrades
[07:30] <valorie> ok
[07:31] <valorie> I want to upgrade too
[07:31] <valorie> I'm waiting until most people have success
[07:33] <soee> valorie: im on vivid like i dont know, 2 months now ?
[07:33] <soee> @my laptop
[07:33] <soee> and all works nice
[07:34] <valorie> so this is just an upgrade to alpha two?
[07:34] <soee> no no, here @work i have Utopic on my machine
[07:34] <valorie> got it
[08:18] <soee> downloading took ~ 5min but configuring will take ~ 1 hour :)
[08:33] <soee> have such message: Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[08:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:56] <soee> Riddell: ping
[08:58] <soee> or anybody else, how can i solve problem (after upgrade from Utopic to Vivid) that after login i have only error message that "Could not start ksm server" and im moved back to login screen
[09:08] <Riddell> hi soee 
[09:08] <Riddell> soee: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:08] <soee> Riddell: one secodn ill check
[09:10] <soee> Riddell: yes, is says it is in newest version
[09:10] <Riddell> lordievader: you have tests running? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds/87840/testcases
[09:11] <Riddell> soee: you have ksmserver as a command on your system?
[09:11] <lordievader> Riddell: Err, sort of. See my questions about the oem-config yesterday. Its gone.
[09:11] <soee> Riddell: yes cli autocmpleats such command
[09:11] <Riddell> lordievader: if it's gone then mark it as failed
[09:12] <lordievader> Riddell: But to what do I report a bug?
[09:12] <Riddell> lordievader: it's part of ubiquity
[09:12] <lordievader> Oke, will file a bug.
[09:13] <soee> Riddell: any idea how to fix it? 
[09:14] <Riddell> soee: I think you can fiddle around with starting X manually and then running startkde to see what happens, or you can declaire upgrade from utopic kubuntu-plasma5 broken and unsupported and reinstall
[09:14] <Riddell> soee: maybe not a great testing experience but if it all worked we wouldn't need testers :)
[09:16] <yofel> soee: anything interesting in ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log ?
[09:17] <soee> yofel: i have no such directory
[09:17] <yofel> o.O
[09:17] <soee> ~/.cache/upstart
[09:17] <yofel> why is that moving all the time -.-
[09:18] <yofel> soee: is ~/.xsession-errors from today? if yes look there
[09:18] <apachelogger> because silly
[09:18] <apachelogger> yofel: plasma5 has no upstart user session thing
[09:18] <yofel> ah right
[09:18] <yofel> and what happened to sitter :O
[09:18] <apachelogger> also mind you, we are supposed to move to systemd at *some* point
[09:18] <apachelogger> yofel: quassel happened
[09:18] <yofel> heh
[09:19]  * apachelogger fixes this once and for all
[09:19] <soee> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9816691/
[09:20] <yofel> o.O
[09:21] <soee> kdeinit5: (ksmserver /usr/bin/ksmserver) Pipe closed unexpectedlykdeinit5: Pipe closed unexpectedly: Resources temporary unavailable ?
[09:22] <yofel> looks like the problem, but I don't know what to do with that :S
[09:23] <yofel> sitter: I'm running systemd at home. At least wrt kde and system default stuff things work fine
[09:23] <soee> is there startup disc creator in plasma 5 ?
[09:24] <sitter> yofel: yeah, my point was there is no use in switching p5 to an upstart session as we'd then have to switch to systemd anyway
[09:24] <yofel> ah yeah, agreed
[09:25] <sitter> soee: your error sounds like a binary conflict
[09:25] <lordievader> Riddell: Filed a bug report and finished the testcases.
[09:25] <sitter> alas, I forgot how to find out which file causes the clash ^^
[09:25] <sitter> you could try to log into the recovery session and run ksmserver manualy maybe
[09:25] <yofel> anyone else unable to shutdown from plasma btw? Clicking on shutdown quits plasma, but that's all
[09:25] <soee> so im doomed 
[09:25] <soee> :)
[09:34] <Riddell> lordievader: lovely thanks
[09:49] <mparillo> Is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.
[09:49] <mparillo> structural_subscriber=&field.milestone:list=68119&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.
[09:49] <mparillo> used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search the correct bug list? If so, I will give https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/Kubuntu#Known_Problems some love
[09:49] <Riddell> that's a long url!
[09:50] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ → vivid milestoned bugs
[09:50] <Riddell> is the one I use
[09:50] <Riddell> which is any bug marked kubuntu and milstond for ubuntu-15.04
[09:50] <Riddell> of course there may well be bugs that aren't tagged or milestoned which should be
[09:53] <mparillo> Understood on tagging. Looks like the same list. I will update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/Kubuntu#Known_Problems In the meantime, has anybody copied a large selection from FF and had it crash FF when pasting to kate?
[09:55] <yofel> lets try that..
[09:55] <yofel> yup, crashes o.O
[10:01] <sitter> KCI-W :: W: libkwinxrenderutils5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkwinxrenderutils6
[10:01] <sitter> KCI-W :: W: libkwineffects5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkwineffects6
[10:01] <sitter> KCI-W :: W: libkwinglutils5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkwinglutils6
[10:01] <sitter> .........
[10:02] <mparillo> yofel: TY. Do you suspect that is a problem with FF or the klipboard? I do not think it is a problem with kate, because I used wget to get the page, and the pasted the same quantity from kate to kate.
[10:05] <yofel> I would blame firefox as that's what crashes. But just now plasmashell froze when I tried to open the klipboard too, so that seems kind of broken too
[10:05] <yofel> -too
[10:08] <mparillo> Riddell: Bug list updated. I see Daily bootable images for standard PCs/laptops/netbooks in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/Kubuntu#Feedback Plasama5 no longer has a separate netbook interface the way Plasma4 did. Want me to remove netbook?
[10:08] <mparillo> TY yofel. At least it is not me.
[10:10] <yofel> mparillo: right, remove netbook. That's obsolete
[10:10] <Riddell> mparillo: yes please
[10:11] <Riddell> sitter: he changed it in master only
[10:11] <Riddell> the soversion
[10:16] <sitter> Riddell: who?
[10:16] <sitter> what?
[10:16] <mparillo> Last question from last night. Is anybody running the latest version of Drop Box on Alpha2? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2257946&p=13212779#post13212779
[10:18] <Riddell> sitter: mgraesslin changed the soversion in kwin master
[10:18] <Riddell> mparillo: not I
[10:19] <mgraesslin> actually it's changed in 5.2 branch
[10:19] <sitter> Riddell: ah yeah, that doesn't change the fact that a) our packaging has bad wildcards b) no symbol tracking c) is now broken in unstable because of the bump
[10:19] <Riddell> oh is it?
[10:20] <sitter> mgraesslin: are you sure because KCI is not complaining about :O
[10:21] <mgraesslin> sitter: yes see http://commits.kde.org/kwin/6b0ae95b80bbe06a1da38299abb6f99c84181764
[10:21] <sitter> oh, nvm, it is actually complaining
[10:21] <mgraesslin> :-P
[10:21]  * sitter rebases in stable branch
[10:25] <sitter> shadeslayer: btw, should I ever get to the point where I can autodeploy tooling without it falling over on me I am going to capistrano it, reckon that might be useful to you as well?
[10:26] <sitter> actually I was playing with chef yesterday night, it does seem rather non-overheadish when used via chef-solo (which basically allows server-less cooking) so perhaps that would be something of use for the dci servers, plus apparently one can conveniently glue capistrano and chef together
[10:27]  * sitter also been playing with vagrant.... seemed a bit too much for now
[10:27] <sitter> it does have a nifty lxc plugin though, so who knows xD
[10:30] <soee> plasmashell does not start in 15.04 Alpha 2 when nbooting from USB
[10:38] <soee> ubuquity fails at selecting rgion and timezone
[10:40] <Riddell> sitter: um really? works for everyone else
[10:40] <Riddell> sorry that was to soee 
[10:42] <sitter> 10:33:50 E, [2015-01-22T10:33:50.315978 #364] ERROR -- : all is vain! live PPA is not installing! :'<
[10:43] <soee> Riddell: i plugged it in other usb port and started now
[10:43] <soee> can't install though with Polsih language because ubuquity fails as i said
[10:43] <soee> trying in english 
[10:44] <soee> seems to work with english
[10:48] <Riddell> soee: 
[10:49] <Riddell> soee: fooey sounds like a bug, please report and note it on iso tracker
[10:50] <soee> Riddell: also if i mark to install restricted extras it just stops on the same step if i click to go further
[10:50] <soee> but hey atleast i installed it in english version
[10:55] <yofel> soee: which step? It might be trying to install the nvidia driver in the background there (IIRC you had a nvidia gpu?)
[10:55] <yofel> which takes quite a while
[10:59] <Riddell> soee: 
[10:59] <Riddell> soee: installing extras worked for me, how's your internet connection?
[11:01] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit, how's the fosdem posters/stickers coming?
[11:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hello, yep I got them all back from the printers yesterday, 
[11:02] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I haven't opened then up yet, but the name badges look good,
[11:02] <Sick_Rimmit> I think things are looking organised at my end now
[11:06] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: 
[11:06] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: ooh?
[11:06] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: what posters did you get? what stickers?
[11:11] <lordievader> Sick_Rimmit: Pics or it didn't happen :P
[11:12] <Sick_Rimmit> lordievader: It was a blend of Riddell's suggestions, some mods on my artwork, a compromise
[11:12] <soee> Riddell: connection was fine, 80mbit
[11:12] <Sick_Rimmit> I don't have them on this PC, there on my home PC
[11:12] <lordievader> :(
[11:13] <Sick_Rimmit> I'll share some artwork with you guys later this evening 
[11:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I didn't get stickers, they were way too expensive from Vistaprint
[11:17] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: so posters only?
[11:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Posters and Namebadges
[11:18] <Riddell> oh cool
[11:18] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: what program did you use to make them?
[11:19] <Sick_Rimmit> GIMP, and Inkscape
[11:28] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you don't have any spare android phones we could demo do you?
[11:28] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Do you mean for KDE Connect ?
[11:30] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: nah was wanting to see if we could demo gcompris which is now in the google play shop
[11:31] <Sick_Rimmit> I have a Viewsonic 7 tablet, we could load gcompris onto providing the Android version is up to is, its 2.3 I believe
[11:35] <soee_> Riddell: ok so i had to reinstall system because of this ksmserver issue
[11:35] <soee_> im on Vivid now here at work and all seems to work fine :)
[11:45] <sitter> kubotu: newversion libgit2 0.22.1 new version needed for kdeframeworks ktextedit as well as kate
[11:45] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[11:45] <Riddell> I'v e
[11:45] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1413565
[11:46] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I've no idea if that'll work but worth a shot
[11:46] <Riddell> soee_: yay
[11:46] <Riddell> soee_: thanks for testing it
[11:46] <Riddell> sitter: yep, I think that was blocked on libgit gtk or something
[11:48] <sitter> Riddell: how can it be blocked? one presumes that is binary compatibile?
[11:49] <soee> i copied some settings from previous installation and now Chromium shows it  windows (like select fiel to upload) styled liek windows95 o.O
[11:49] <Riddell> soee: one presumes wrong
[11:49] <Riddell> libgit2-21 -> libgit2-22
[11:49] <soee> what :) ?
[11:49] <sitter> lol
[11:50] <Riddell> sitter: libgit2-glib needs a new release
[11:50] <sitter> 'hey look I use C like it's javascript, pretty radical, eh'
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <soee> what wa steh package name for gtk2 apps to use breeze and qtcurve ?
[12:13] <Riddell> gtk2-engines-qtcurve is qtcurve I guess
[12:14] <Riddell> but there is a todo item to sort that out
[12:14] <Riddell> there's even a review in reviewboard I think
[12:37]  * sitter managed to misplace his qml dependency linter
[12:38] <Riddell> did you look behind the fridge? if you lose something it's nearly always there
[12:39] <soee> Riddell: seems to work now when i installed this package, and set it in system settings, why we dont have it by deafult ?
[12:41] <Riddell> soee: as I say there's a todo item to look into it, I was hoping there would be a breeze gtk theme somewhere
[12:41] <soee> ah ok
[13:17] <soee> lovely, now after fresh install thsi PC is a speed monster
[13:51] <soee> lol, can someone explain this http://paste.ubuntu.com/9819479/ 
[13:51] <soee> they are some kind of deps ?
[13:52] <soee> also why thers no driver manager in system settings after fresh Vivid install ?
[13:58] <soee> it also isnt listed in menu
[13:58] <soee> but teh package kubuntu-driver-manager is marked as installed
[13:58] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah , I asked that question quite a while ago. I guess they thought it was rhetorical and didn't require an answer
[14:00] <soee> :-)
[14:01] <soee> BluesKaj: can i fiel a bug ?
[14:01] <soee> ill add myself as affected
[14:01] <soee> *can you
[14:02] <soee> well we can access it via: kcmshell4 kcm_driver_manager
[14:02] <soee> so maybe thers not port for *5
[14:02] <BluesKaj> don't think it's a bug 
[14:02] <soee> and system settings lists only those for *5
[14:07] <soee> Riddell: any thoughts ^
[14:08] <Riddell> soee: the kf5 port of kubuntu-driver-manager isn't in yet, it's waiting for the alpha2 freeze to lift
[14:08] <Riddell> if you're brave you can install it using -proposed
[14:09] <soee> Riddell: nah, i can live without it, just was curious as i had it on my laptop with Vivid and Plasma5 and not here after freesh install. Thank you for the info
[14:09] <soee> BluesKaj: ^
[14:11] <sgclark> morning
[14:11] <BluesKaj> soee, got it
[14:11] <soee> hiho sgclark
[14:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[14:15] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[14:49] <soee> should i disable teh extras repository for good, even now after installation ?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> soee, the extras reos will just 404 until packages are uploaded
[14:51] <BluesKaj> repos
[14:52] <soee> so just leave them as they are with 404 ?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> just comment it
[14:53] <BluesKaj> once the official release date arrives, then uncomment it
[14:59] <sitter> everytime I look at releaseme I go :O
[14:59] <sitter> so much fixme left
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl , some errands to do
[15:00] <sitter> Riddell: releaseme documentation nonsense almost fixed, at least my tests pass...
[15:00] <sitter> then again my tests might not cover all cases, this really needs some requirements pulled up, everyone does their own thing -.-
[15:04] <Riddell> too late to test with plasma today, the script is already running
[15:14] <Riddell> mparillo: alpha 2 is out!
[15:15] <Riddell> mparillo: since you're such a useful person how would you like to put a story on the website?
[15:25] <mparillo> Whoo-Hoo! The same news items we used to have?
[15:32] <Riddell> mparillo: copy and update the alpha 1 news item should work
[15:32] <Riddell> mparillo: /msg me for access
[15:33] <mparillo> I believe you sent them to me a couple of years ago.
[15:33] <Riddell> they won't have changed
[15:34] <mparillo> Need to use rekonq, which is not ported to KF5?
[15:38] <Riddell> mparillo: yep
[15:38] <Riddell> mparillo: or konqueror
[15:39] <mparillo> Now I get to test Muon-Discover!
[15:49] <shadeslayer> sitter: only if it can autodeploy to multiple servers
[15:50] <shadeslayer> sitter: actually
[15:50] <shadeslayer> sitter: doesn't really matter, my tooling gets updated with each job
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> are these instructions ok: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> sitter: what I really need is to some how allow privileged access to deploy scripts to places like /etc/schroot.d and what not
[15:58] <mparillo> Muon-Discover and rekonq work on Alpha-2. Anybody want to refresh: http://www.kubuntu.org/ ? I opmitted the tongue-twister, but I can re-add it if desired.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> would be really cool to have a secure way of doing that
[15:59] <shadeslayer> without giving a deploy user sudo access
[16:33] <mparillo> Riddell: I have been cloning your release announcement, and I noticed that Cloud was not listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/329/builds
[16:33] <Riddell> mparillo: which announcement?
[16:34] <Riddell> mparillo: could you add spaces between the paragraphs on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-alpha-2?
[16:35] <Riddell> mparillo: I think cloud is known to be broken this week in reporting to iso tracker, but it's fine otherwise
[16:39] <mparillo> Done. This announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-December/001119.html
[16:40] <mparillo> I was changing the 1s to 2s (carefully) and noticing that cloud did not go through QA, so wondering if that paragrah should be removed
[16:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it should include notification of vivid
[16:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: also utopic backports when they're done but not yet
[16:44] <mparillo> Since the cloud images actually do exist, I left them in (along with the woodchuck) at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9821715/
[16:46] <Riddell> mparillo: ooh sorry there's already been an e-mail sent out I think
[16:47] <Riddell> yep https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-January/001122.html
[16:47] <Riddell> it was just the web story that was needed
[16:47] <Riddell> hi RobertJDohnert 
[16:54] <Riddell> vgezer: have you seen bukai's latest website design?
[16:54] <Riddell> http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/
[16:54] <Riddell> we need to give him feedback so he can finish it off
[16:56] <mparillo> Walter Lapchynski left off the woodchucks
[16:58] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah we only have a quote for the alpha 1 announcement
[16:58] <Riddell> it's an unwritten rule
[16:58] <Riddell> mparillo: you can send out your e-mail to kubuntu devel if you like so it's not wasted effort :)
[17:04] <RobertJDohnert> Hi Ridell
[17:05] <mparillo> My pleasure (just Kubuntu only).
[17:10] <mparillo> ?
[17:10] <Riddell> mparillo: yep
[17:10]  * Riddell out
[18:03] <RobertJDohnert> Hey guys, where can I find the stable Plasma 5 builds for 14.04?
[18:57] <soee> Riddell: ping
[19:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi
[19:41] <soee> hiho Sick_Rimmit
[19:41] <BluesKaj_> hi Sick_Rimmit
[19:41]  * BluesKaj_ was dozing off
[19:41] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi folks, I'm just going to try a share some pics of the Posters for Fosdem
[19:42] <Sick_Rimmit> Give a few minutes
[19:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Try this
[19:54] <Sick_Rimmit> https://plus.google.com/u/0/108613855365757664723/posts/Ex9rCwCFfdS?pid=6107255134044141714&oid=108613855365757664723
[19:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Should be 3 images
[19:54] <Sick_Rimmit> 2 Posters, and 1 of Name Badges
[19:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry those badges are the wrong ones, they don;t have Kubuntu on them
[19:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha here we go
[19:58] <Sick_Rimmit> https://plus.google.com/u/0/108613855365757664723/posts/bur9VdJoyqL?pid=6107257158275304226&oid=108613855365757664723
[19:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Those are the correct name badges
[20:11] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: work fine, nice
[20:12] <Sick_Rimmit> soee:  :-)
[20:12] <soee> i will give free cookies and milk person, who sove the problem/bug with dubleclick on window decoration (mazimize does not work)
[20:30] <soee> someone on plasma5 ?
[20:36] <yofel> soee: hm?
[20:36] <soee> yofel: on previous installation i had new cursors variants for breeze but after fresh install they are gone - is that right ? also
[20:37] <soee> hovering window edge wont change cursor to resize icon - can you confirm ?
[20:39] <yofel> well, I can tell you that my cursors are messed up...
[20:39] <yofel> I can choose between breeze and breeze_snow for the cursors, but when I'm interacting with the window decoration then I get oxy-white cursors
[20:40] <soee> yofel: strange, bofoe fresh install i had other color varaints for breeze to 
[20:41] <soee> and now cursor does not chnage on window border
[20:41] <yofel> what's x-cursor-theme set for you?
[20:41] <yofel> *set to
[20:42] <soee> x-cursor-theme ?
[20:42] <yofel> $ update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme
[20:43] <soee> yofel: it says no alternatives for it
[20:44] <yofel> ah, considering that mine's set to oxy-white, I guess we can say that kwin_x11 uses that to select the cursor theme you get on the decoration o.O
[20:44] <soee> those alternatives ?
[20:45] <yofel> yeah, feel free to install oxygen-cursor-theme and see if you have a resize cursor then
[20:45] <yofel> I filed a bug that breeze doesn't support alternatives.
[20:45] <yofel> (although kwin shouldn't be using that either...)
[20:46] <soee> yofel: works now with teh oxygen 
[20:46] <yofel> whee... -.-
[20:46] <soee> but breeze has that cursor in own set, why oxygen is usd here ?
[20:47] <soee> yofel: also can you give link to bug ?
[20:47] <soee> i like to have them tracked (bugs i have here)
[20:48] <yofel> er, check the vivid milestoned list, it's on there
[20:48] <yofel> and for some reason kwin (or kdecoration?) seems to ignore the plasma cursor theme and uses the system one
[20:49] <yofel> which I guess would be another bug
[20:50] <soee> ok i added myself as affected to the bug you mentioned first
[20:51] <soee> you know what, when i was installing Vivid i changed theme to dark and imo its much better than light ;)
[20:51] <soee> it fits better the new wallpaper
[20:52] <soee> ah one more thing i wanted to mention you guys
[20:52] <soee> in ubiquity if we check on first screen to install restricted extras
[20:53] <soee> the installer freezez for a 3-5 minutes and we dont have no loader ot any info that  "that somethig's going on"
[20:54] <yofel> IIRC known issue
[20:54] <soee> im not sure what is happening in backgorund but we need there some loader or someting
[20:56] <yofel> dangit, where's the bug for what I'm thinking about
[20:56] <soee> :-) ?
[20:59] <yofel> soee: we do know that at that point the driver manager goes installing restricted drivers (e.g. to allow some wifi cards to function during the wifi setup step), but if you have large drivers (e.g. nvidia) that can take quite a while and there's no indication that anything is happening
[21:00] <yofel> IIRC we had a bug for that, but I can't find it
[21:00] <soee> nvidia but not propriety right ?
[21:00] <yofel> yes, the proprietary blob
[21:01] <soee> ok but its not installed 
[21:01] <soee> so why to download it
[21:02] <yofel> not sure, I haven't really looked at what's happening. All I remember that it's the driver manager doing something. And in the case I once looked at it was messing around with nvidia
[21:03] <soee> imo at this stage it should ignore gpu drivers, just use default one
[21:03] <soee> than if user wants he should be able to install them from drivers manager
[21:03] <yofel> right, maybe it's simply not checking *what* it installs, but just installs all recommended drivers in the hope that some of that is useful
[21:04] <soee> lol :D
[21:04] <yofel> well, I'm guessing here :P
[21:05] <soee>  whats more i dont undrstand why we have 340 recommended not newer for nvidia
[21:05] <soee> 343 for example
[21:05] <soee> or atleast such position in drivers manager
[21:05] <yofel> dunno, #ubuntu-x will know. I'm still on 331
[21:07] <keithzg> and "nvidia-current" is . . . 304? huh?
[21:07] <yofel> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall --package-list /run/ubuntu-drivers.autoinstall
[21:07] <yofel> is what I found in the ubiquity prepare code, whatever that does
[21:09] <soee> keithzg: but check nvidias site
[21:09] <soee> what new version are there
[21:10] <keithzg> soee: Yeah, I'm just confused that packages like nvidia-319 and nvidia-331 exist, yet nvidia-current points toward nvidia-304. That's quite a strange and different definition of "current" than I'm used to ;)
[21:16] <soee> !package poppler-utils
[21:16] <soee> !package poppler
[21:36] <allee> Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu I would suggest to directly open  'kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' with Alt-F2, instead of  open a konsole; then kdesudo editor ; then close konsole again.  
[21:40] <keithzg> allee: Couldn't it be done from just "kdesudo software-properties-kde" too? (Personally I'd do it all from the terminal, but software-properties-kde seems like the most user-friendly GUI way.)
[21:40] <allee> keithzg: mhmm, lemme try...
[21:45] <allee> keithzg: heh, heh, I had to lookup what is the 'verbose explantaion' of extras.  but then kdesudo software-properties-kde  works also.
[21:47]  * allee is obviously too command line centrtic
[21:56]  * keithzg knows the feeling!
[21:59] <yofel> command line is the one only universal linux language :P
[22:01] <keithzg> yofel: And then you try and use some standard utility like find in an Android shell and start swearing :P
[22:01] <yofel> heh
[22:21] <soee> ok small summary
[22:22] <soee> Kubuntu Vivid with Plasma 5 beta withou propriety nvidia drives (using intel card on optimus tch. machine) is smooth like baby skin :)
[22:22] <soee> plasmashell uses ~ 200 MB ram
[22:23] <soee> same experiance here at my laptop and erlier on my PC at work
[22:24] <soee> at work i moved from Utopic + Plasma 5 to fresh Vivid Alpha 2
[22:24] <soee> and the difference was so huge
[22:24] <soee> whole system works super smooth with dual monitor setup
[22:24] <soee> 2 virtal desktops etc.
[22:25] <soee> im scared how good this whole system will be with Plasma 5.3 or 5.4 :)
[22:36] <vgezer> hi Riddell
[22:36] <vgezer> sorry for late response
[22:37] <vgezer> Riddell: i just saw it. seems great, but I see so much design issues :/. is that normal? this is not a final one right?
[22:41] <RobertJDohnert> Hey do you guys know where I can find the latest Plasma 5 builds for 14.04?
[22:41] <soee> RobertJDohnert: there are such builds
[22:42] <RobertJDohnert> Thats what Im asking
[22:45] <soee> RobertJDohnert: sorry *there are not
[22:45] <soee> that what i wanted to write
[22:46] <RobertJDohnert> Well looks like I will have to compile myself
[23:07] <Quintasan> https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/plasma-5-2-the-quintissential-breakdown/
[23:07] <Quintasan> Tis' be a good read
[23:24] <RobertJDohnert> It is a good read
[23:25] <RobertJDohnert> But after what happened with 4, Im leary about moving to 5 for Black Lab Linux
[23:26] <RobertJDohnert> Thats the reason why we are testing, testing and testing some more and then when we wake up in the AM we test some more