[05:48] <Kilos> morning all
[05:53] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[05:55] <bduk> More Kilos  and others
[06:09] <gremble> Good morning
[06:10] <Kilos> morning gremble  
[06:27] <superfly> hi gremble and Kilos
[06:27] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[06:30] <superfly> welcome back, bduk
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31] <bduk> dam ekdom switch the power of fortunately i have a tab
[06:32] <Kilos> hows the family superfly  ?
[06:32] <Kilos> wow even govt power switched off
[06:33] <bduk> jip another waisted day eksdom doesnt care
[06:34] <Kilos> where are all those inmates gonna get pap from now
[06:34] <Kilos> box pap
[06:35] <superfly> Kilos: all good
[06:36] <bduk> dont know and dont care not my prob. Uncle Jan thought about that when he landed in the cape and install some boilers for us
[06:36] <Kilos> great
[06:36] <Kilos> haha
[06:45] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:46] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[06:48] <inetpro> hmm... 
[06:48] <inetpro> bduk: loadshedding?
[06:55] <bduk> inetpro i thought so but apparently they are servicing our substations
[06:55] <inetpro> ah
[07:29] <Kilos> someone (i think the fly) spoke about us linking up with other african countries the other night
[07:30] <Kilos> i have prepared a message to namibia admin guys, can someone please edit it for me
[07:30] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2paEt2Gfw
[07:31] <Kilos> or approve disapprove the idea
[07:32] <Kilos> haha that chased him
[07:33] <Kilos> wb gremble  
[07:53] <Kilos> or maybe give me a basic template to use
[08:06] <Kilos> plustwo  what are you breaking
[08:31] <charl> good morning
[08:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:31]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:31] <Kilos> hi charl  
[08:31] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:31] <charl> how are you this morning
[08:31] <Kilos> um
[08:31] <Kilos> dunno actually and you?
[08:31] <charl> i'm good !
[08:31] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:32] <Kilos> Maaz  with cremora
[08:32] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[08:32] <charl> Maaz: with rusks
[08:32] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard charl help yourself
[08:32] <charl> good, good
[08:32] <charl> brb
[08:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:35] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[08:35] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:37] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:37] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:37] <charl> Kilos: did you hear about the web version of whatsapp ?
[08:37] <charl> i can recall you asking to do pidgin whatsapp before
[08:37] <Kilos> nope charl  
[08:38] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:38] <charl> it only works in google chrome though
[08:38] <charl> even chromium seems not to be supported
[08:38] <charl> and you still need a mobile phone, also one that can scan a QR code
[08:38] <Kilos> i have the plugin for pidgin working but cant get whatsapp to send me my password to the fone first
[08:39] <Kilos> there is a way you ask for the code and they sms it to your fone but i cant get that to work
[08:40] <charl> ah
[08:40] <Kilos> all i need is that code then it will work in pidgin
[08:40] <charl> well if you have chrome and you can scan QR codes you could try it
[08:40] <Kilos> i have no idea how to scan but let me install chrome then we can look at it
[08:40] <charl> https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/web/28080003
[08:41] <Kilos> ty
[08:41] <charl> first read the faq to see if it will work for you before installing chrome though
[08:41] <charl> np
[08:43] <Kilos> whew
[08:45] <Kilos> haha i have probs getting the pc to even see the fone
[08:45] <Kilos> will wait for sis to come home and get her bb data cable
[08:47] <Kilos> im not impressed with the vodacom service with blackberry. sis has been offline for a month in this area, but it works everywhere else, even namibia
[08:48] <Kilos> im sure the prob is the tower/s in this area that arent activated with bb. but they keep telling her to take it to the shop for setting up.
[08:48] <Kilos> thats after like 10 times going through all the settings with them online
[08:48] <Kilos> swines
[08:50] <Kilos> 10 ks from here in any direction it works
[08:52] <charl> yeah it's similar here
[08:53] <charl> when i was in hospital three years ago i could only get gprs and barely
[08:53] <charl> and then a few KM further away it works perfectly
[08:53] <charl> just the hospital was in a blind spot
[08:53] <Kilos> if it wasnt for all the family having whatsapp id forget the idea
[08:53] <charl> i was offline for almost a week
[08:54] <Kilos> ya but we arent in a blind spot at all, her tablet goes online fine, its the bb>vodacom prob
[08:54] <charl> ah
[08:54] <Kilos> the bb shows gsm connection only
[08:55] <charl> whatsapp is a problem because it doesn't federate with any other xmpp service
[08:55] <charl> that's why i don't use it
[08:55] <Kilos> should show edge or 3g or something when it is connected
[08:55] <charl> it isn't suitable for use on the public internet because it doesn't comply to open standards and protocols
[08:55] <charl> proprietary applications are ok if they are only used inside a certain company though (imho)
[08:56] <Kilos> yeah , prob is about everyone has whatsapp. got look at places that sell second hand stuff and see they all give whatsapp as contact point
[08:56] <Kilos> grrr
[09:01] <Kilos> not places, peeps
[09:35] <Kilos> ai!
[09:58] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aThCr0PsyuA
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> insane
[11:39] <mazal> Afternoon all
[12:00] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[12:17] <Kilos> foget earlier slexy post. please check this one out http://slexy.org/view/s2uqc4PO0Q
[12:17] <Kilos> forget as well
[12:18] <Kilos> just see if its fine to approach other countries with this message ty
[12:51] <mazal> Lekker aand oom , cheers
[12:52] <Kilos> jy ook dankie seun
[12:52] <Kilos> ai!
[13:44] <gremble> I'm trying out weechat. So far it seems nice :P
[13:45] <gremble> Tor just doesn't want to play nice
[13:49] <Kilos> charl also likes the new weechat
[13:54] <Kilos> storm kom van die weste of noord weste inetpro  
[13:55] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[14:07]  * Kilos waits for power to die. lekker wind blowing
[14:09] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Too late for me already, looks like it's raining in city centre already
[14:11] <gremble> Raining here as well
[14:12] <gremble> I should convince my mother to make pancakes for dinner
[14:14] <Kilos> wonderful idea , pancakes when it rains
[14:14] <Kilos> that custom comes down many generations
[14:15] <Kilos> gremble  did you put up a notice?
[14:17] <gremble> A notice?
[14:18] <Kilos> cloud burst here atm
[14:19] <Kilos> sigh
[14:19] <Kilos> for peeps to join us
[14:20] <AlphaG> good day folks
[14:20] <Maaz> AlphaG: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell alphaG Just hang around if no one answers you immediately , sooner or later someone will get to see your message, and best of all if you have a problem then state it and hang for an answer" 5 months, 2 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes and 49 seconds ago
[14:21] <Kilos> hi AlphaG  
[14:21] <gremble> HAHA
[14:21] <gremble> I think he ended up fixing his problem
[14:21] <gremble> :P
[14:21] <Kilos> thats an old message
[14:21] <Kilos> how come you take 5 months to fix things AlphaG  ?
[14:22] <Kilos> you worse than me
[14:22] <AlphaG> huh??
[14:22] <gremble> Because he obviously didn't hang around
[14:22] <Kilos> lol
[14:22] <Kilos> i cant even remember what the problem was
[14:22] <AlphaG> what was that
[14:22] <Kilos> read the message above from Maaz  
[14:23] <Kilos> you were trying to do something or fix something
[14:23] <AlphaG> eish I can't remember.. I think I was at the lab installing 14.01
[14:24] <AlphaG> I'm still using ubuntu for home theatre awesome
[14:25] <AlphaG> can anyone assist me with a wifi problem.
[14:26] <AlphaG> my devices keeps saying ... obtaining ip adress... failed.. 
[14:31] <superfly> AlphaG: did you check what was in syslog?
[14:33] <AlphaG> no.. its the labs wifi.. labs closed then my mobile usually pics up wifi when in range. 
[14:34] <AlphaG> I haven't connectd my ubuntu laptop in 5 months to the wifi .. 
[14:35] <AlphaG> just want to know what could be causing this. . bc few days ago it was working.
[14:36] <AlphaG> usually connect just to update the install as I did last time..
[14:38] <Kilos> sjoe tower got a whack from that bright light but seems to have survived
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz  hello
[14:39] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[14:40] <AlphaG> maaz is slow
[14:41] <Kilos> my lag here shows 501ms
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[14:41] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[14:42] <Kilos> AlphaG  why didnt he answer you?
[14:42] <Kilos> ok what irc client are you using
[14:43] <Kilos> when you type a nick type the first 2 or 3 letters and hit tab it sorts the nick with caps and all
[15:32] <inetpro> Kilos: I see sunshine, is it over or is it coming again?
[15:32] <Kilos> over now inetpro  got 10 mm
[15:32] <inetpro> apparently we had hail at home
[15:34] <Kilos> ai!
[15:34] <AlphaG> kilos paste my question here plz
[15:34] <Kilos> ok
[15:35] <Kilos> I.partitioned. 500gb xternal.. into 3 parts ubuntu ext4 , pagefile and ntfs for windows access and data storage.
[15:35] <Kilos> oh wait
[15:35] <Kilos> 12.04 should upgrade directly to 14.04
[15:36] <Kilos> i think lets goes directly to lts
[15:36] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[15:36] <Kilos> lts to lts just upgrade?
[15:36] <AlphaG> will that disturb partitions and data?
[15:36] <Kilos> nope
[15:36] <Kilos> open update manager
[15:37] <Kilos> it should show what it will upgrade to
[15:37] <Kilos> near the top
[15:38] <AlphaG> does it not just update packages?
[15:38] <Kilos> nope it updates everything to the later release
[15:38] <Kilos> open update manager and look
[15:38] <Kilos> nothing happens till you tell it to
[15:38] <AlphaG> I can't now.. no wifi..
[15:39] <Kilos> ohy arent you here with it now?
[15:39] <AlphaG> no dude. I'm on via mobile.
[15:39] <Kilos> wait a while let me boot old pc with 12.04 on
[15:40] <AlphaG> webchat.freenode.net
[15:40] <Kilos> ok
[15:40] <Kilos> why did you stay away for 5 months?
[15:41] <AlphaG> don't I will check when I'm at the lab
[15:41] <Kilos> i nearly forgot about you
[15:41] <Kilos> its np 
[15:41] <AlphaG> yeah my laptops keyboard got busted... rain dropd 
[15:41] <Kilos> ouch
[15:42] <AlphaG> and its a schlep carrying a bluetooth keyboard to lab with external box etc
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Kilos> eish old pc booted to 14.04 too
[15:42] <AlphaG> and the lab was closed for holidays 
[15:43] <Kilos> alright 
[15:43] <Kilos> when you at the lap come here and well go through it
[15:43] <AlphaG> so ya.. and I'm probably the only one here who doesn't have adsl...
[15:43] <Kilos> no there are a few of us that use 3g
[15:44] <Kilos> all peeps in outline areas like plots and farms got no adsl
[15:44] <AlphaG> and asking u guys questions over a phone is pointless if I can't do anything on the ubuntu..
[15:44] <Kilos> get a pen and write down
[15:44] <Kilos> but anyway you can come here with fone from the lap too if you have to
[15:45] <AlphaG> my nearest adsl is at the ilab its at the mosq its free coz I assit there.. its for the community.
[15:45] <Kilos> oh wait i have 12.04 on a flash drive
[15:46] <Kilos> ok
[15:46] <AlphaG> I downloaded 14. iso I have it on the external here.
[15:47] <Kilos> good use it to make a bootable live flash
[15:47] <Kilos> use unetbootin
[15:48] <AlphaG> I don't wana mess with it n it ends up formatn the external... wich is why I asked if I can update it online safely
[15:48] <Kilos> you wont mess up anything, unetbootin is an app that makes lives flash drives
[15:49] <AlphaG> hmm
[15:49] <Kilos> but if you go no data cap then upgrading is fine
[15:49] <AlphaG> so take 14.04 create live flash
[15:49] <Kilos> yes
[15:50] <AlphaG> boot from the flash... 
[15:50] <AlphaG> install ubuntu...
[15:51] <Kilos> you point unetbootin to where the iso is and it will see your empty flash and make the flash a live install like a dvd
[15:51] <AlphaG> yeah I got that part.
[15:52] <Kilos> just hang here a while till the guys get home then well check about lts to lts upgrade
[15:54] <AlphaG> ok ill come again.. 
[15:55] <AlphaG> ubuntu is free..
[15:55] <Kilos> yah
[15:55] <AlphaG> why not create a free network for ubuntu
[15:55] <AlphaG> ubuntu internet
[15:55] <AlphaG> no data fees
[15:56] <Kilos> and connect with what 3g supplier
[15:56] <AlphaG> that will change my world
[15:56] <Kilos> yeah it would
[15:56] <AlphaG> a free access to ubuntu servers
[15:56] <AlphaG> and irc
[15:57] <AlphaG> for knowledge
[15:58] <Kilos> i think the logistics of that is out of everyones reach
[15:58] <AlphaG> not that I'm complaining about this .. but chatting over a blackberry on irc and then traveling and paying for data just to use free o.s is .....
[15:58] <Kilos> like who will pay telkom for using their cables
[15:58] <AlphaG> its not impossible if ubuntu is free all
[15:58] <Kilos> or voda or mtn for the 3g peeps
[15:59] <AlphaG> nevermind them
[15:59] <Kilos> the network providersa will all want payment
[15:59] <Kilos> nothing is free
[16:00] <Kilos> everything costs somewhere along the line
[16:01] <Kilos> even if checkers gave away groceries you would still pay for the petrol to get there and back
[16:01] <AlphaG> yes...
[16:02] <AlphaG> don't get me wrong...
[16:02] <Kilos> but if you can connect to one of the wugs then they help
[16:02] <AlphaG> I'm saying create ubuntunet
[16:04] <Kilos> that would be nice but who will pay for all the cabling etc
[16:05] <Kilos> you would have to use telkom existing cabling and they will charge
[16:09] <AlphaG> wifi. is free.
[16:09] <Kilos> lol the whole country hasnt got wifi
[16:10] <AlphaG> that's the idea
[16:10] <AlphaG> read my friends blog...
[16:10] <AlphaG> http://www.webaddict.co.za/2014/11/25/lantern-free-data-forever-space/
[16:10] <Kilos> if the whole country has wifi then the idea would be good ya
[16:14] <Kilos> yeah the idea is good
[16:15] <Kilos> but somewhwere someone has to pay
[16:16] <Kilos> signals dont go to satelites and back for free
[16:17] <AlphaG> there's always a way
[16:18] <Kilos> illegally only
[16:18] <AlphaG> the sun's rays travels to earth for free.
[16:18] <Kilos> life is all about money
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <AlphaG> withouth the sun... 
[16:19] <AlphaG> gtg will pop in again 
[16:19] <Kilos> ok 
[16:19] <Kilos> read this
[16:20] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126833/lts-to-lts-upgrade
[16:20] <AlphaG> thanx
[16:20] <Kilos> yw
[16:57] <magespawn> good evening
[16:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[16:57] <Kilos> you forgot me
[16:57] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:58] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos#preview
[16:58] <magespawn> indeed
[16:59] <Kilos> and the pro
[16:59] <magespawn> is he also going for ubuntu memebership?
[17:01] <magespawn> or do you mean he forgot you too?
[17:21] <Kilos> no man magespawn  he is applying with us
[17:21] <Kilos> oh sorry yes as well
[17:22] <Kilos> sometimes peeps sits and thinks and other times just sits
[17:22] <Kilos> he just sits atm, 
[17:22] <magespawn> indeed
[17:22] <Kilos> we need to get him thinking so he can finish his page
[17:23] <magespawn> i think he is really busy sometimes
[17:23] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> you think?
[17:23] <magespawn> ]and other times he has to sleep
[17:24] <Kilos> i think he is just always tired
[17:24] <magespawn> sometimes just not often 
[17:24] <Kilos> so tired he forgets to go sleep
[17:24] <Kilos> i think he games too much
[17:25] <magespawn> hmm i thought it was work and family
[17:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:26] <Kilos> well he is clever so, finding excuses will be easy
[17:26] <magespawn> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> evening superfly  did you see
[17:26] <Kilos> i hit major testimonials
[17:27] <magespawn> i saw the invite to the meeting
[17:27] <superfly> No. I still have no Internet at home 
[17:27] <Kilos> from g+
[17:27] <Kilos> eish superfly  that sucks
[17:27] <Kilos> back to 3g
[17:27] <Kilos> get 8ta
[17:28] <magespawn> hey superfly you still at work?
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly  can you see slexy posts on the fone?
[17:31] <superfly> magespawn: no, home. I'm using Quasseldroid
[17:32] <superfly> Kilos: maybe, but not right now, busy with kids 
[17:32] <Kilos> ok ty
[17:47] <Kilos> magespawn  look at this thing, you think its for real?
[17:48] <Kilos> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lantern-one-device-free-data-from-space-forever
[17:49] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[17:51] <superfly> Kilos: yes?
[17:52] <Kilos> superfly  http://slexy.org/view/s2uqc4PO0Q
[17:52] <Kilos> can i send like that
[17:53] <Kilos> to the namibia ubuntu peeps
[17:53] <Kilos> i think ill try link us to a few more countries if you guys agree
[17:54] <Kilos> looking at the map shows how bad we are doing in africa
[17:54] <superfly> Kilos: ya, that's fine, but just call us all community members
[17:54] <captine> evening all
[17:54] <Kilos> ok ty vm
[17:55] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:04] <magespawn> hi captine 
[18:05] <superfly> hi captine
[18:16] <Kilos> Symmetri1  ping
[18:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:21] <Kilos> magespawn  can you help?
[18:23] <magespawn> i will try Kilos 
[18:24] <Kilos> did you see graeme login now?
[18:24] <magespawn> yes
[18:24] <Kilos> twice?
[18:25] <magespawn> login and out and back in
[18:25] <Kilos> im sure the unaffiliated thing isnt supposed to show all that
[18:25] <magespawn> so yes
[18:25] <Kilos> watch if mine also does it please
[18:25] <magespawn> okay
[18:26] <Kilos> magespawn  and?
[18:26] <magespawn> 20:25 -!- Kilos (~miles@unaffiliated/kilos) quits [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
[18:26] <Kilos> is that all
[18:27] <magespawn> 20:26 -!- Kilos (~miles@unaffiliated/kilos) joins #ubuntu-za
[18:27] <Kilos> or also twice
[18:27] <magespawn> yup thats all
[18:27] <Kilos> cool ty
[18:27] <magespawn> not twice
[18:27] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  you want to sort it?
[18:28] <Kilos> i think it has something to do with adding your password in the clients info
[18:28] <magespawn> i think he must have logged out when it was not cloaked
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[18:28] <Kilos> yes thats what i mean
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not really sure what you're on about
[18:28] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:28] <Kilos> your first login shows you ip addy
[18:28] <magespawn> your first login was not cloaked
[18:28] <Kilos> then you cloak
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, makes no difference to me
[18:29] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: client info?
[18:30] <Kilos> where you enter channels to join and password
[18:30] <superfly> yes?
[18:30] <Kilos> there are 2 places to enter password
[18:31] <Kilos> if you put your password in both it cloaks you before the channels open
[18:31] <Kilos> i think thats it
[18:31] <Kilos> let me see
[18:31] <magespawn> might also depend on how you are connecting to the channel
[18:32] <superfly> I think it's to do with connecting to Freenode, not just the channel
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <Kilos> one time only
[18:33] <superfly> ooo
[18:33] <superfly> thanks for that Kilos, I didn't know that!
[18:34] <Kilos> yw
[18:34] <magespawn> learn something new every day
[18:34] <Kilos> some of the guys login twice
[18:35] <Kilos> i cant see it on konversation because each channel you add you have to enter your password
[18:35] <Kilos> on xchat and hexchat you get 2 places to enter passwords
[18:36] <Kilos> like whats the good of cloaking if it first shows your ip then changes hosts
[19:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:09] <inetpro> good evening
[19:09] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[19:10]  * inetpro trying to catch up 
[19:17] <Kilos> wow our only up to date mirror is neology
[19:20] <Kilos> haha inetpro  ons het van jou geskinner
[19:20] <Kilos> dit was basies om jou uit te lok
[19:20] <magespawn> i wonder why? network problems?
[19:20] <Kilos> looks like ubuntu zim is dead
[19:21] <inetpro> eish... ran out of bundle and we're not even close to the end of the month yet
[19:21] <Kilos> i dont know magespawn  , maybe bad settings or maintenance
[19:21] <Kilos> andrews one is up to date
[19:21] <magespawn> almost there inetpro 
[19:21] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  what you been doing
[19:22]  * inetpro now back on prepaid and trying to catch up again... you guys talk too much
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:22] <magespawn> sorry
[19:22] <Kilos> at least we are active
[19:25] <Kilos> ive mailed ubuntu namibia, will report if/when they reply
[19:26] <Kilos> maybe they want a german mail. i wonder who we can ask to compose it
[19:28] <inetpro> ok...
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: apart from chatting with family and having dinner I also installed the official version of Google Chrome and have now tried Whatsapp in the browser
[19:29] <inetpro> and it works, actually
[19:29] <Kilos> oh my i installed chrome just now too
[19:30] <Kilos> but i dont know how to tether this experia
[19:30] <inetpro> not sure how the data transverses between my phone and the browser but it works
[19:31] <Kilos> did you tether the fone?
[19:31] <inetpro> hate to say this but I'm happy that this is working
[19:32] <Kilos> lol i will be as well when i get it working then i can shelve the xperia
[19:32] <inetpro> finally we can start interacting with the masses directly on the PC... even if the solution sucks
[19:33] <magespawn> inetpro is the phone a hotspot?
[19:33] <inetpro> they should just make it work with any other browser as well
[19:33] <Kilos> oh you tehter the fone to scan for the code?
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[19:33] <Kilos> tether
[19:33] <magespawn> okay i am just confused now
[19:33] <inetpro> at this stage they are just both on the same wifi network
[19:33] <Kilos> magespawn  https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/web/28080003
[19:34] <inetpro> let me try putting the mobile on Vodacom data
[19:34] <magespawn> and the phone is the gatewat?
[19:34] <magespawn> gateway?
[19:34] <Kilos> no magespawn  
[19:34] <Kilos> read that link
[19:35] <inetpro> ok, I actually switched the data alltogether on the phone
[19:35] <Kilos> i think once you got it working you can put the fone off
[19:36] <inetpro> within seconds I get an orange notification that reads, "Phone not connected, blah blah, blah..."
[19:36] <Kilos> oh my
[19:36] <magespawn> maybe works something like airdroid
[19:36] <inetpro> so I connect the phone and a test message I typed to my wife while it was offline goes through
[19:37] <Kilos> if it wants the fone connected as well isnt it going to use data on both?
[19:37] <inetpro> so essentially I guess, the browser talks to Whatsapp in the cloud but notices a disconnect on the phone 
[19:38] <Kilos> ah
[19:38] <inetpro> because it has to stay in sync
[19:38] <inetpro> anything I chat on the PC also appears on the phone
[19:38] <Kilos> i think the pidgin way will be better
[19:39] <magespawn> so the pc part only works if the phone is online 
[19:39] <Kilos> then fone must has whatsapp disconnected
[19:39] <magespawn> double data maybe if they are both going out through the same internet connection
[19:39] <inetpro> magespawn: well the PC part works in the sense that I can still read the messages on the screen
[19:40] <inetpro> but messages will not deliver unless the phone is connected as well
[19:40] <magespawn> do you still recieve the message on the pc if the phones is disconnected?
[19:41] <inetpro> have not tested the scenarion but I doubt
[19:41] <inetpro> the double data will not bother me that much to be honest... text messages are small
[19:42] <Kilos> inetpro  dont you see my messages?
[19:42] <inetpro> the convenience of being able to stay focused on the desktop is long overdue
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: I do, but I ignore them :-)
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:43] <inetpro> sorry Kilos
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: to be honest, I thought I answered them
[19:44] <magespawn> i have a few users that all use whatsapp all going through the same connection, i can actually measure it when somebody posts a photo to one of the groups
[19:44] <Kilos> i asked does it scan the code for whatsapp
[19:44] <Kilos> i just need my code then ill get whatsapp in pidgin with the fone off
[19:44] <inetpro> oh, missed that
[19:45] <inetpro> you need an updated version of whatsapp on the phone
[19:45] <Kilos> its only been there about 5 months
[19:48] <inetpro> on the updated version of Whatsapp on your phone, go to Menu > WhatsApp Web
[19:48] <inetpro> and then, scan the QR Code on your computer
[19:49] <inetpro> Getting Started with WhatsApp Web http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/web/28080003
[19:49] <Kilos> ty
[19:50] <Kilos> this is hard work changing glasses all the time
[19:51] <gremble> Im using chromium and whatsapp web wants me to download chrome
[19:51] <gremble> haha
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Kilos> chrome is 40 something megs
[19:52] <Kilos> i had to put a new bundle
[19:52] <Kilos> sigh
[19:52] <gremble> Im nog going to download chrome
[19:52] <gremble> it is the same browser
[19:53] <Kilos> try make it see the whatsapp code
[19:55] <captine> whatsapp in the browser... interesting
[19:55] <superfly> Just use Telegram 
[19:55] <inetpro> Telegram is still much better!
[19:55] <gremble> but that is only for short messages stop
[19:56] <superfly> Hahaha,  nice one gremble 
[19:56] <gremble> I'm thinking about quitting mathematics and going into stand-up
[19:57] <Kilos> rofl
[19:57] <inetpro> with Telegram I can do a screenshot on my PC, press the copy button on KSnapshot and just paste on Telegram
[19:58]  * inetpro just had to test it after seeing Alistair Otter doing it on Linux
[19:58] <inetpro> and I think it will help Kilos a lot, if it works
[19:59] <Kilos> ya man ty. the android thing is hard work
[19:59] <inetpro> you can't change the masses over to Telegram overnight, they just follow whatever advertisers tell them to do
[20:01] <gremble> I'll advertise on facebook
[20:01] <gremble> :o
[20:01] <gremble> Im influential like that
[20:01] <inetpro> :-)
[20:01] <superfly> Bwahahaha 
[20:01] <gremble> you know, I have like 10 friends
[20:01] <Kilos> twit
[20:01] <gremble> that is nothing to balk at
[20:02] <gremble> Are you calling me a twit, Kilos ?
[20:02] <Kilos> me?
[20:02]  * Kilos looks around
[20:02] <superfly> Always 
[20:02] <gremble> No, not you, the other one
[20:03] <inetpro> ai!
[20:04] <gremble> I like that telegram uses googles material science UX
[20:05] <Kilos> imtoo stupid for this
[20:05] <Kilos> whatsapp shows nothing that opens a menu
[20:05] <gremble> Press the button with the stripes at the bottom
[20:06] <gremble> It may or may not look like an actual button
[20:06] <gremble> What kind of phone do you have?
[20:06] <Kilos> xperia mini pro
[20:07] <Kilos> it shows only chat and one thing on the right that opens contacts to choose one
[20:07] <Kilos> grrr
[20:08] <Kilos> also shows nothing at the bottom
[20:08] <gremble> Ok, you have three buttons at the bottom. the one on the right has three little stripes. That is your menu button for all of your apps
[20:08] <gremble> the left one is an arrow and the middle one a little house
[20:08] <Kilos> right one is arrow
[20:09] <Kilos> middle one one block
[20:09] <inetpro> and left?
[20:09] <Kilos> left one 4 little blocks
[20:09] <gremble> I have the phone in front of me right now. if you hold it up, the keyboard slides out to the left
[20:09] <gremble> Oh
[20:09] <gremble> I see that model here
[20:09] <Kilos> lol i always have it open thats why i said i see nothing at the bottom
[20:10] <gremble> The little blocks are the menu button
[20:10] <gremble> the square is the home button
[20:10] <gremble> (the buttons below them that they denote)
[20:10] <Kilos> the 4 little blocks opens a menu
[20:10] <inetpro> ai!
[20:10] <gremble> Yes
[20:10] <gremble> I have no idea what you are trying to do though
[20:10] <gremble> :P
 on the updated version of Whatsapp on your phone, go to Menu > WhatsApp Web
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: did you upgrade your whassup?
[20:11] <Kilos> now to look for whatsapp web
[20:11] <Kilos> i dunno how man
[20:12] <inetpro> google play
[20:12] <Kilos> oh i have the playstore off
[20:12] <inetpro> no wonder
[20:13] <Kilos> tomorrow is better. too tired to keep changing glasses
[20:13] <Kilos> you gonna make me blinder
[20:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:17] <Kilos> eish now play now is upgrading
[20:18] <Kilos> could not contact the server please try later
[20:18] <Kilos> grrrr
[20:18] <Kilos> i go sleep
[20:18] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:18] <Kilos> ty for the inf and help
[20:38] <inetpro> good night
[20:39] <magespawn> good night all