[01:59] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader 
[03:46] <manchicken> So, is Konversation the preferred IRC client now?
[03:51] <valorie> it's always been my preferred client
[03:51] <valorie> the history of it is that at KDE4 time, it lagged behind Quassel
[03:51] <valorie> not by much, but enough that we chose Quassel
[03:51] <valorie> and we stuck with Quassel 'just because'
[03:52] <valorie> the devels have worked with us for it to be ready for KF5, and now Plasma 5
[03:52] <manchicken> This is all so sexy.
[03:52] <manchicken> I like it.
[03:52] <valorie> and it is the KDE IRC client
[03:52] <manchicken> I'm gonna run through this test case I've got up.
[03:52] <valorie> I need to run a backup before upgrading
[03:53] <manchicken> Backups are for wimps!
[03:53] <valorie> weeee, more testing is good
[03:53]  * valorie shakes her finger at manchicken
[03:53] <manchicken> hehe
[03:53] <valorie> it's all good until you need the backup and don't have it
[03:54] <manchicken> That's what a rescue disk is for ^_^
[03:54] <valorie> that's happened one too many times to me
[03:58] <manchicken> I've gotten far too good at that, actually.
[04:12] <manchicken> I guess KMail doesn't support gmail...
[04:16] <manchicken> IMAP with gmail is lame...
[04:17] <manchicken> I take it the missing icons is a known issue?
[04:21] <valorie> not sure
[04:21] <valorie> should be easy to find in bko if so
[04:27] <ScottK> manchicken: IMAP with Gmail works fine for me.
[04:28] <manchicken> ScottK: Unless you want contacts and calendars to sync, and you want to see labels.
[04:28] <ScottK> I have contacts and calendars.
[04:28] <ScottK> Labels not so much.
[04:28] <manchicken> ScottK: Which makes me sad... I like kmail, but I use labels extensively.
[04:28] <manchicken> Yeah, kmail treats labels like folders.
[04:28]  * ScottK has approximately never used the native Gmail U/I.
[04:28] <manchicken> I'm gonna go to bed, it's been a hard day.
[04:29] <ScottK> Good night.
[04:29] <manchicken> That sounds like a definitive maybe. heh
[04:29] <manchicken> Night all.
[07:06] <soee> good morning
[08:30] <soee> did someone else experianced problem with logout ? if we logout (Plasma 5 beta) we just see a black screen
[08:33] <Tm_T> soee: I have this, might not be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1384342
[08:35] <soee> Tm_T: here it seems like plasmashell quits totally or its 'coverd' by the login screen layer that is just a black screen
[08:35] <soee> we can see cursor and move it h\though
[08:36] <Tm_T> soee: ye, but no clicks having affect, right?
[08:36] <soee> nope
[08:37] <soee> shall i add myself as affected to this bug you posted link to Tm_T ?
[08:37] <Tm_T> soee: no unless you have related errors in your syslog
[08:38] <soee> Tm_T: ok ill wait for others to show up, and see if they can say more about it. I think someone mentioned this problem 1-2 days ago
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hello o/
[09:32] <soee> lordievader: hey, do you have Plasma 5 to test one thing ?
[09:32] <lordievader> soee: Yes.
[09:32] <soee> lordievader: does the logout wors fine for yo ?
[09:33] <soee> *you
[09:33] <soee> *works
[09:33] <lordievader> soee: Let me check.
[09:35] <lordievader> soee: Appart from being a very slow machine, yes.
[09:35] <soee> oh interesting, but you are on daily kubuntu-ci right ?
[09:36] <lordievader> soee: On a slightly outdated one, yes.
[09:37] <soee> ok thank yu
[09:37] <lordievader> soee: Err, is the ci-unstable ci-daily?
[09:38] <soee> daily, weekly and live i think
[09:38] <soee> this one is live https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[09:38] <soee> there is also daily and weekly
[09:39] <lordievader> soee: This is the one I have: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[09:39] <soee> ok so live
[09:43] <sitter> you really want to use daily, live blows up a lot
[09:44] <lordievader> The times I've updated it remained stable, guess I have a lucky charm or something ;)
[09:44] <sitter> but I suppose since you hadn't complained it's fine for you :P
[09:44] <sitter> yah, it actually depends a lot on when and how often one updates
[09:45] <lordievader> But anyhow, it is a machine specifically purposed for testing so I'm okay with it breaking.
[09:56] <_Groo_> good morning all
[09:56] <lordievader> o/
[10:01] <_Groo_> what ppa has 14.12 apps for utopic? ninjas and backports doesnt
[10:01] <_Groo_> hi lordievader 
[10:01] <lordievader> _Groo_: How are you doing?
[10:01] <_Groo_> fine as usual :)
[10:12] <yofel> _Groo_: next-staging, it's still being tested
[10:12] <yofel> use on your own risk
[10:13] <_Groo_> as usual yofel, as usual :)
[10:13] <_Groo_> im gonna upgrade it on top of ci
[10:14] <soee> _Groo_: do not use :)
[10:14] <_Groo_> soee: why?
[10:14] <sitter> ci is ahead of staging
[10:14] <soee> Terminal crashes a lot
[10:14] <sitter> you have to ppa-purge ci and then use staging
[10:15] <sitter> otherwise you'll get a weird mix
[10:15] <soee> probably no way to upgrade to Vivid later
[10:15] <_Groo_> sitter: ill wait for a merge then
[10:15] <sitter> what merge? CI is alraedy what is in staging
[10:15] <sitter> well, ahead of what is in staging
[10:15] <soee> _Groo_: my suggestion -> use Vivid already :)
[10:16] <_Groo_> soee: i will once beta x or rc1 gets out
[10:16] <_Groo_> i have other stuff beyond kubuntu
[10:16] <soee> _Groo_: ok, i using it hre at home on my laptop and at work on my PC, super smooth :)
[10:17]  * soee this new keyboard is crapp
[10:17] <_Groo_> soee: its not that, i maintain the graphics ppa, and im on utopic
[10:17] <_Groo_> soee: i need to stay on utopic for a little longer
[10:17] <soee> _Groo_: ah nice :-)
[10:17] <soee> yofel, Riddell did someone of you mentioned last days about logout not working in Vivid P5b ?
[10:18] <Riddell> not I
[10:18] <soee> hmm, im sure someone on this channel
[10:19] <yofel> I did
[10:19] <soee> yofel: ok, i can confirm this
[10:19] <yofel> plasma quits, and that's it. I have to poweroff from yakuake which is still running at that point
[10:20] <soee> yofel: lordievader mentioned thatit works for hom on kubuntu-ci so i wonder if it is fixed in newer packages version
[10:21] <yofel> could be, I'll try to check in my VM tomorrow
[10:25] <soee> someone wants to test one bug ? :
[10:27] <soee> by default we have one activity, lets add some widgets on screen (2-3) and remove them, now lets create new activity and switch to it ; we see only black screen and we have to start plasmashell manually, now when we have it working, switch back to main activity ; we have black screen so lets start plasmashell manually - ok its up but widgets removed before are on the desktop :O
[11:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm impressed by your memory and archive research skills on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-January/038617.html :)
[11:07] <Riddell> there's only 1 contribution from the community council on that thread which is just about dismissing the issue, how typical
[11:13] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: I haven't had any issue with Activity switching, neem usimg it for 2 months..
[11:13] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Do you have a bug number for this one ?
[11:16] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: i did not report it yet, need some confirmaton. Also are you on fresh install or upgraded from utopic for example ?
[11:16] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Fresh install, of the first RC Tech Preview
[11:17] <soee> than i have to be cursed ;)
[11:17] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: oh RC Tech Preview ?
[11:21] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Yes, although its had some updates
[11:41] <soee> hihi https://plus.google.com/116673244531612714380/posts/JVfFyY8BncV?pid=6107491831013687490&oid=116673244531612714380 :D
[11:42] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-15-04-Alpha-2-Is-the-Most-Exciting-Release-in-a-Long-Time-Screenshot-Tour-470968.shtml
[11:48] <sitter> Riddell: qapt transition appears to only be blocked by the unrelated testfail in software-props now
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:54] <Riddell> sitter: hmm so my syntax for forceing it didn't work..
[11:54] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hi soee, Riddell
[11:57] <sitter> Riddell: possibly, or the excuses page is out of date
[12:00] <soee> is it intended that Unsupported updates are checked by default in Vivid ?
[12:02] <sitter> they are being checked for a couple of releases already
[12:02] <sitter> they don't get installed though
[12:06] <Riddell> waa my e-mail is broken
[12:06] <Riddell> my domain name has disappeared and I don't know why
[12:09] <soee> sitter: so wht it is there, if something isin't used it should be gone or in that case unselected immo
[12:11] <Riddell> soee: hey nice softpedia article :)
[12:13] <soee> thats not mine
[12:14] <soee> but good to hear from others they like it
[12:15] <soee> though im more impressed by the guy who did fe pages review ;)
[12:15] <soee> https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/plasma-5-2-the-quintissential-breakdown/
[12:18] <Riddell> soee: fancy writing a kubuntu  wire blog post with those two articles? :)
[12:18] <sitter> soee: talk to canonical :P
[12:18] <sitter> the thing is
[12:19] <sitter> you *can* use it
[12:19] <sitter> the idea is that the package manager offers you newer versions but doesn't install them by default
[12:20] <sitter> Riddell: 
[12:20] <sitter> Technical details of permanent failure:
[12:20] <sitter> DNS Error: Address resolution of jriddell.org. failed: Domain name not found
[12:20] <soee> Riddell: writing blog post is something i never did :) maybe in some future not now 
[12:21] <Riddell> sitter: waa
[12:22] <BluesKaj> there seems to be some dns problems, some users can't access their respective  country repos
[12:23] <sitter> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/pbbzwt0v0
[12:25] <sitter> Riddell: are you handling the qt patchery?
[12:28] <soee> ok one a bit confusing thing:
[12:30]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=207
[12:30] <soee> if we go muon and pick some package to install etc. it opens dialog for toot password but before this dialog shows up, there is notification showed for aout 0.5 second so we can't even read it, and its not availabel to heck in panel notification stack. i captured t on a screen though and its policykit1-kde infor that the ation needs authentication etc.
[12:30] <Riddell> sitter: I can add it to the backport packages, I don't know how to add it to vivid packages
[12:31] <soee> what is te purpos of notification that can't be read because it is gone just after is shows
[12:31] <Riddell> mitya57: how do I add a patch to qt vivid packages?
[12:34] <sitter> Riddell: I think we only care about backport really
[12:34] <sitter> since vivid is supposed to get .1 anyway
[12:41] <Riddell> sitter: ok I'll do that
[12:41] <sitter> cheers
[12:54] <sgclark> morning
[12:56] <soee> hiho sgclark
[13:00] <Riddell> hi sgclark, how's the KDE CI doing?
[13:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I was getting tired of "But Qt ... " in that discussion.
[13:00] <ScottK> It did take a bit of research.
[13:00] <mitya57> Riddell, push it to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtfoo-opensource-src_532 (create the branch if it doesn't exist)
[13:01] <mitya57> where foo is the component name, of course
[13:02] <sgclark> Riddell: fighting with a piece of code, but otherwise well.
[13:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: ksyslog is broken
[13:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: KDEInit could not launch '':
[13:36] <_Groo_> Could not open library '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_'.
[13:36] <_Groo_> Cannot load library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_: (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[13:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: nice hu?
[13:36] <Riddell> _Groo_: ksystemlog works for me
[13:36] <Riddell> but of course that doesn't make you wrong
[13:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you using ci?
[13:37] <Riddell> nope
[13:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: so.. its broken in ci
[13:38] <_Groo_> ohhhh nice, its not the binary
[13:38] <_Groo_> if i run it via command line it works
[13:38] <_Groo_> try to run it via alt-f2
[13:38] <_Groo_> and see if it breaks
[13:38] <_Groo_> might be a broken qml or .desktop file
[13:41] <mitya57> Riddell, btw is that a qtbase patch?
[13:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: did it work?
[13:42] <Riddell> mitya57: it is but I'm only going to put into our backports for now
[13:42] <Riddell> _Groo_: I see your problem
[13:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah, so its there
[13:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: broken .desktop perhaps?
[13:43] <mitya57> ok
[13:46] <Riddell> _Groo_: nah it's something to do with the libkdeinit library
[13:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: upstream?
[13:46] <Riddell> _Groo_: nope, packaging issue
[13:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: i blame Riddell 
[13:47] <Riddell> dolphin works ok so I guess it's not a general problem
[13:47] <_Groo_> dolphin is kde5
[13:47] <_Groo_> kde4
[13:47] <_Groo_> stupid keyboard
[13:47] <_Groo_> ksyslog is still 4.11?
[13:49] <Riddell> ksystemlog uses kdelibs4 and is part of kde applications 14.12
[13:49] <Riddell> dolphin uses kdelibs4 and is part of kde applications 14.12 too
[13:49] <_Groo_> im using ci, so my kde4 is 14.11 i believe
[13:49] <_Groo_> dolphin                                                     4:4.14.1-0ubuntu1
[13:50] <Riddell> 4.11 :)
[13:53] <mitya57> 4.14 :)
[13:53]  * _Groo_ is confused with all this stupid versions
[13:54] <Riddell> they just keep on changing these numbers
[13:56]  * _Groo_ misses the times when kde was one and wholly with one number version to rule them all
[13:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: i found the problem
[13:57] <Riddell> oh?
[13:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: you updated yesterday ci with two lib6 whatever
[13:57] <_Groo_> damn memory
[14:00] <Riddell> grumpy support request du jour https://paste.kde.org/p9sigoqyi
[14:30]  * Riddell out for the day
[14:38] <BluesKaj> must be fri day afternoon :)
[14:42] <soee> i just realised that i never used dragon player :)
[14:42] <soee> vlc could be default
[14:49] <sitter> brrm
[14:49] <sitter> Riddell: you forgot the other patch ^^
[17:39] <manchicken> So, I like the new plasma 5.
[21:38] <valorie> Riddell: about http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=207 you remark he's running Utopic, but it is Vivid
[23:43] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[23:49] <valorie> hi ah
[23:49] <valorie> pff