[00:35] <diddledan> interesting - tesco/talktalk's blinkbox does ultraviolet now
[00:35] <diddledan> might be worth switching my purchasing habbit to them rather than googleplaydoh
[00:36] <diddledan> specifically because it will mean I have the same library for titles I may get physically as gifts e.g.
[00:37] <shauno> I have no idea what that means
[00:38] <mapps> same
[00:38] <diddledan> blinkbox, ultraviolet or googleplaydoh?
[00:38] <mapps> ;]
[00:38] <shauno> yes
[00:38] <daftykins> when you buy a film on BD/DVD ultraviolet is the streaming service attached
[00:38] <daftykins> so you get both one or two physical copies plus x number of streams
[00:39] <diddledan> blinkbox: blinkbox.com; ultraviolet: uvvu.com; googleplaydoh: play.google.com
[00:45] <mapps> hmm
[00:45] <mapps> stupid thunderbird
[00:45] <mapps> maybe i should giveup with using an email app
[00:48] <daftykins> heh
[00:48] <daftykins> that is a bit 90s
[00:48] <daftykins> :>
[00:48] <shauno> aye.  away to mutt with ya
[00:53] <mapps> yea
[00:54] <mapps> i just like it
[00:54] <mapps> but every time it decides to download ALL emails no matter what i do
[00:54] <mapps> like emails from years back:D
[00:55] <diddledan> mapps, I hear that. with an 8GB email archive it takes a while for thunderbird to sync when I set it up anew
[00:57] <daftykins> i upgraded office version on the boss' old laptop before i left, yesterday
[00:57] <daftykins> it's gonna pull down his 19GB worth of email :P
[00:57] <daftykins> and that's only the stuff we leave on the hosted setup.
[00:58] <diddledan> ooooooooooooohhhhh: simon "scotty" pegg is going to co-write the next startrek!
[00:59] <daftykins> he keeps showing up in films that don't seem like they should be comedies, giving them a comedic vibe
[00:59] <diddledan> I love his scotty
[01:00] <daftykins> not seen either of those new films
[01:00] <diddledan> I loved "paul" too
[01:00] <diddledan> paul is an awesome movie
[01:13] <mapps]> diddledan did you want it to dl them all?
[01:14] <mapps]> :)
[01:23] <shauno> diddledan:
[01:23] <shauno> how to remove wp plugin without removing its data?
[01:23] <diddledan> shauno, just delete it
[01:23] <diddledan> shauno, don't deactivate it first
[01:26] <shauno> I think I just broke someone else's site :)
[01:26] <diddledan> \o/
[01:26] <daftykins> \o/
[01:30] <shauno> I have no idea what that was, I think I'm just going to leave it alone and see if anyone notices
[01:35] <daftykins> sounds like a fine approach to me
[01:35] <shauno> well, I tend to update all her stuff whenever I'm in the area, because she avoids any button she doesn't understand
[01:36] <shauno> so I updated jetpack, and it disappeared.  so I tried to reinstall it, but it said it was already installed.  and then it was installed but wouldn't activate
[01:36] <shauno> I'm not entirely sure what happened next, but it appears to be back now?
[01:36] <daftykins> XD
[01:36] <daftykins> this firewall on my bigv.io still blocks wordpress cals
[01:37] <daftykins> *calls
[01:54] <mapps]> grmpf
[01:54] <mapps]> got to get the bus at 6;40am
[01:56] <shauno> then go to bed?
[01:56] <mapps]> i will in a bit
[01:56] <mapps]> :D
[01:56] <mapps]> tennis is on
[01:57] <daftykins> lol
[01:57] <shauno> ...
[01:57] <mapps]> lol why?:D
[01:58] <mapps]> 7gonna have to sleep in 2 shifts
[01:58] <mapps]> few hrs now few hours when i get back
[01:58] <mapps]> :)
[01:58] <shauno> well, personally, tennis doesn't rank highly on the list of reasons I'm not in bed, that's all
[01:58] <mapps]> oh
[01:59] <daftykins> +1
[01:59] <shauno> (it's right up there with cricket & golf on my list of "things I can't imagine people watching unless they're high")
[02:02] <mapps]> hm
[02:02] <shauno> it does seem like something a dog would happily watch, but a cat would squint at you and wonder what the punchline was
[07:31] <diddledan> hmm, I've only got 560GB of download in my sabnzb queue :-p
[07:31] <diddledan> I don't do illegal, obviously
[07:32] <diddledan> it's incrementing as we speak, because I went through my sickbeard listings and told it to research everything it had previously decided wasn't available
[07:33] <diddledan> up to 600GB
[07:35] <diddledan> luckily I still have 2.6 thousand spaces left
[07:35] <diddledan> "2685.90 GB Free Space"
[07:35] <diddledan> see, 2.6k-spaces
[08:11] <knightwise> mornin peeps
[08:37] <diddledan> morning knightwise
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> happy friday
[08:44] <popey> yo
[08:46]  * diddledan awaits the jamestait "what day is today?"
[08:46] <diddledan> corrolary - where is he?!
[08:47] <diddledan> tabcomplete can't find him so I'm assuming he d/c'd
[08:58] <Myrtti> he always does
[09:00] <arsenip_> happy friday :)
[09:01] <diddledan> I don't think disconnection should be allowed
[09:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:19] <diddledan> I wonder when MS will unleash the next build of windows10 (they said within the next week on wednesday)
[09:20] <diddledan> I'm getting antsy
[09:20] <diddledan> I want it NOW
[09:20] <bashrc> meh
[09:21] <diddledan> I'm an instant gratification nut
[09:21] <diddledan> as soon as it's announced I want it
[09:21] <popey> also "meh"
[09:21] <popey> my GameOS machine runs Windows 7.
[09:22] <popey> I'd be tempted to upgrade to Windows 10 if it didn't break everything on the machine, just for the free upgrade
[09:22] <diddledan> from what I can tell windows 10 will get delivered as a windows-update patch
[09:22] <diddledan> i.e. everyone who has windows update turned on will receive it
[09:22] <popey> i doubt that
[09:22] <ali1234> maybe for people who have windows 8
[09:23] <popey> I suspect you'll have to buy it at zero cost
[09:23] <diddledan> anyone who has 7sp1, 8 or 8.1
[09:23]  * bashrc refuses to support windows anymore
[09:23] <popey> quite the delta from 7 to 10
[09:23] <ali1234> if they upgrade 7, a very large number of companies will go absolutely ape shit
[09:24] <ali1234> we are talking "switch to ubuntu" levels of rage
[09:24] <bashrc> bonus
[09:26] <diddledan> the windows site says: "We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!*" with the smallprint stating: "*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP
[09:26] <diddledan> fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required."
[09:26] <popey> that doesnt mean they get it automagically
[09:26] <popey> it'll be optional
[09:26] <ali1234> right, it will just be a popup box that says "click here to download windows 10"
[09:26] <diddledan> fair enough - I probably just read too much into the requirement for windows update to be enabled
[09:27] <ali1234> the key word here is "offer"
[09:27] <diddledan> maybe they'll put it in the optional section which requires manual ticking of boxes
[09:27] <ali1234> i doubt windows is even capable of in-place upgrades like that
[09:27] <ali1234> you need install media
[09:28] <diddledan> windows 8 upgrades to 8.1 without a dvd
[09:28] <diddledan> and windows 7 upgrades to 8 with just a small application download which then does the rest
[09:28] <diddledan> i.e. no dvd again
[09:29] <ali1234> er, no it doesn't
[09:29] <diddledan> yes it does. I've done it
[09:29] <ali1234> that small application downloads the windows 8 ISO and then burns it to a disc
[09:29] <diddledan> nope
[09:29] <ali1234> then you install it like any other version of windows
[09:29] <ali1234> i've got a burned windows 8 disc here that i made using that procedure
[09:30] <diddledan> afair it was an in situ update without a dvd required
[09:30] <diddledan> you _can_ make a dvd, but it's not needed if you're doing a like-for-like upgrade
[09:31] <diddledan> i.e. updating 32bit 7 to 64bit 8 will require the dvd
[09:31] <diddledan> but 32 to 32 can be done within the booted os
[09:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> we can ship win10 to you on floppy...
[09:43] <popey> microdrives!
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> i was thinking 8" single side floppies
[09:45] <popey> i installed MSDOS 6.22 on a "modern" laptop the other day
[09:45] <popey> that was fun :)
[09:45] <popey> and fast!
[09:46] <diddledan> popey, I bet you didn't need any drivers, either
[09:47] <knightwise> morning peeps
[09:47] <diddledan> knightwise, you said that already
[09:47] <popey> well, no, but things dont work
[09:47] <popey> like sound
[09:47] <diddledan> popey, who needs audio?!
[09:48] <ali1234> this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPA_TpkzkA
[09:48] <knightwise> diddledan: you werent awake the first time
[09:48] <popey> to play games
[09:48] <popey> wanted to play some dos games
[09:48] <diddledan> dosbox ftw
[09:49]  * knightwise is still trying to get his retropi install working
[09:50] <diddledan> blindfold speedrun?!
[09:50] <popey> nah, i want to run on real hardware, not emulated
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> probably drivers in config.sys for uk keyboard
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> well... country
[09:53] <popey> that was all default right for me
[09:53] <popey> i used the DOS setup.exe
[09:53] <ali1234> wait, dos has a setup.exe?
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> so still set up drivers so
[09:53] <popey> yes
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> dos 4 onwards had a setup iirc
[09:54] <ali1234> i never knew that
[09:54] <popey> heh, DOS 4 was the Windows Me.
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> dos 3 when i started was just fdisk the drive, format the drive (assuming it was ide, could be very wierd otherwise) /s and copy over the floppy into directory called \dos
[09:55] <ali1234> DOS 4? I only has 6.22
[09:55] <popey> yeah, I started with 3.3
[09:55] <popey> or maybe 3.1
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> dos 4 was terrible, used too much memory, no one used it
[09:55] <ali1234> sys c:\ and then copy config.sys and autoexec.bat
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> only reason to use it was for partitions bigger than 32mb
[09:56] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/z5jwkis.jpg
[09:57] <popey> fun
[09:57] <popey> thats on a 32GB USB stick so I can use it on anyones PC :)
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> oh, kill the smartdrv, waste of memory :-)
[09:57] <popey> well it is now, yeah
[09:57] <popey> that was my default install
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> but at least it's /x to kill the write behind feature that annoyed everyone
[09:58] <popey> i liked the fact that its full screen, and not some odd window
[09:58] <popey> so things it can't do.. sound, network...
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> dos 6.22 can link to another computer with serial/paralled cable, primitive network :-)
[09:58] <ali1234> refering the text mode VGA as "fullscreen"
[09:59] <popey> hehe :)
[09:59] <ali1234> you sound like some hotshot 20 yr old node developer
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> i had been using laplink since dos 3 days so never used it.
[09:59] <popey> ahh, my three headed laplink cable
[10:00] <popey> that was closely guarded
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i wrote very rude labels and stuck them all over my one so no one would borrow it
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> my first social engineering :'-)
[10:01] <ali1234> laplink was... bad
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> laplink was excellent
[10:01] <popey> actually i wonder if the sound card in the thinkpad might just work
[10:01] <ali1234> luckily i was using an amiga at the time when it was popular
[10:01] <popey> need to find some dos game with audio
[10:01] <popey> JamesTait: slacker
[10:01] <bashrc> I think it was just a null modem cable
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> there is an external parallel sound card that might do it iirc
[10:01] <ali1234> ethernet was common by the time i was forced to switch to PC
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Handwriting Day! :-D
[10:02] <popey> \o/
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> we've already done happy friday JamesTait, friday trumps handwriting day :-)
[10:02] <popey> \o/ just found some old CDs I burned from 1998 with games on
[10:02] <bashrc> gosh
[10:02] <popey> haha, has loads of dos utilities
[10:03] <popey> like arj, rar200, pkarc
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> i think i might have a zip file on my phone with a backup of all my games from then...
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> commander keen...
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> mahjongg
[10:03] <popey> i put the cd in my windows pc, microsoft security essentials found a virus on it :)
[10:03] <popey> Joe:Win16/Stupid
[10:03] <popey> *Joke
[10:04] <bashrc> don't copy that floppy
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> unless you're the government...
[10:05] <popey> haha, there's a linux install guide from 1997 on it
[10:05] <awilkins> Ooh, null modem cables
[10:05] <awilkins> Used to string our Amigas together with those and play Populous 2
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one that warns about making your monitor explode getting x to work? :-)
[10:06] <diddledan> I went to college with a guy who had coax lan - I think it was ethernet, but it mighta been token I guess
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:07] <diddledan> allo
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> my first network was a novell network on ne2000 boards connected via coax
[10:07]  * bashrc didn't know anything about linux until 1999/2000
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> then we discovered cheap ne2000 clones... the original ne2000 boards cost as much as a cheap laptop now
[10:08] <bashrc> I had a coax lan. coax was unreliable
[10:08] <diddledan> I remember asking the college it guys about their server because it was showing a non-graphical terminal - I said something like "is that linux?" and they replied "no, it's a real netware server"
[10:09] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi++
[10:09] <diddledan> because netware > linux, right?
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> coax worked fine as long as the cable was kept away from people kicking it and the terminators/connectors were good. at work we'd have a cable problem every 2-3 months.
[10:09] <ali1234> coax was bad but it was still miles better than laplink
[10:09] <popey> at the time netware was better
[10:09] <ali1234> and netware 4 was much better than linux was at the time yes
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> netware software was a rock.  it just kept running
[10:09] <diddledan> this was circa 99/00
[10:10] <popey> oh i got out of netware in ~1996
[10:10] <bashrc> humidity could cause strange behavior of the coax networks
[10:10] <diddledan> so linux was about 6 years old. a regular bubby
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> there's a famous story of a novell netware server walled up for a couple of years accidently and still kept running.
[10:10] <ali1234> netware was probably still better than linux in 1999 but it was crippled due to using IPX not TCP/IP
[10:10] <popey> i think there are still fat ethernet cables laid at my local college that I put in 20 years ago.
[10:10] <JamesTait> GTA over IPX over coax made up far too much of my final year at uni.
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> they are kept to punish the bad pupils :-)
[10:11] <bashrc> a company I was at used netware until about 2003
[10:11] <popey> IPXSPX
[10:11] <popey> NETX
[10:11] <popey> IPODI!
[10:11] <popey> memories...
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget share.exe if you want file locking :-)
[10:11] <diddledan> netbeui?
[10:11] <diddledan> is that spelt right?
[10:11] <bashrc> something like that
[10:12] <awilkins> Ugh, had blocked all that horrible networking stuff from my mind
[10:12] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBIOS
[10:12] <awilkins> Hooray for TCP/IP
[10:13] <MooDoo> one of my first certification was for Novell Netware....
[10:13] <MooDoo> blast from the past
[10:15] <diddledan> crazy that MS still clings to netbios names
[10:15] <zmoylan-pi> my boss while at a wedding saw the hotels server sitting behind reception desk leaned over and downed their server while drunk for a giggle.
[10:16] <MooDoo> bit of a T**t then
[10:16] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, well you would, wouldn't you!
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> waking up the next morning at checkout he saw the technical staff frantically at the server wondering what was wrong.  he 'fixed' it for them and slunk out so embarrassed.
[10:17] <MooDoo> what a kn*b
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> drunk, very drunk...
[10:18] <JamesTait> My first job out of uni involved preparing for Y2K by migrating our Novell Netware 4 network to a Windows NT domain (to also integrate our small office network with the group network over ISDN).
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> but he'd tell that story to customers as to why they shouldn't put servers in publically accessible places so some good came of it
[10:18] <diddledan> o_O the gadget show website is reporting that the iwatch will have a battery life of 2.5hours
[10:18] <awilkins> Is that in Dick Tracy videophone mode?
[10:18] <JamesTait> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> 2.5 hours... does that count as battery life?
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> or a demo
[10:19] <knightwise>  so much for 'worlds most innovative company'
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> i see argos are now selling pebble
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> some people when they move house don't kid around... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-pnOmCMAA72mv.jpg:large
[10:23] <diplo> They seem to do that a fair bit in the states i think zmoylan-pi , there is a TV series about it
[10:23] <diplo> :)
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't it be cheaper to take a copy of the plans and you know just make a second copy?
[10:27] <diplo> But this is 'Merica!
[10:27] <diplo> :)
[10:27] <awilkins> You could even knock down the old house and call it a "teleport"
[10:27] <awilkins> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/22/2233248/researchers-moot-teleportation-via-destructive-3d-printing
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> you could leave the old house and call it a teleport accident...
[10:27] <awilkins> Anyone see that article about the Chinese buildings made with a ginormous 3D printer?
[10:28] <awilkins> They're kinda weird inside, look like the excretions of some giant termits
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> haven't we been using giant 3d printers since we started pouring concrete into moulds onsite?
[10:28] <awilkins> Moulds not the same
[10:29] <awilkins> http://rt.com/news/224423-china-3d-printer-house/
[10:30] <awilkins> Those blocks look quite light
[10:33] <diddledan> why do reporters insist on calling the material that 3d printers extrude "ink"?!
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> because reporters are dumb and their general audience dumber
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> they go for the cliche rather than educate these days it seems
[10:37] <awilkins> Also quite like the houses made of expanded polystyrene bricks like LEGO that you then fill with concrete
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> i liked the carlsberg bottle that was designed to be used as a housebrick when it was empty
[10:38] <diddledan> the other thing that annoys me about news reports is that the reporter usually insists on putting a pun or many into it
[10:38] <knightwise> wasnt that a heineken one
[10:38] <knightwise> I'm thinking of styrofoam bricks and wood when we do our home reno
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> could be some other booze, i don't drink sorry
[10:38] <knightwise> we have been thinking about putting in an addition
[10:38] <knightwise> extention i mean
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> heineken, yup http://inhabitat.com/heineken-wobo-the-brick-that-holds-beer/
[10:46] <diddledan> https://github.com/alex/what-happens-when
[10:52] <awilkins> That Heineken story makes my browser choke
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> some good would come from all the empty bottles
[10:54] <awilkins> Ugh, whatever it is on that page totally locks up Firefox
[10:54] <awilkins> This seems to be a trend I've noticed recently
[10:54] <awilkins> Newspaper websites do it too
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> works fine on my firefox, i use ghostery though so that might be stopping the nasty
[10:55] <awilkins> Closed all my Firefox windows. Process is still caning a CPI
[10:55] <awilkins> CPU
[10:55]  * awilkins kill -9s it
[10:55] <diddledan> awilkins, it might be a rogue flash ad
[10:56] <awilkins> Not the plugin hosting process (has a separate process name, no?)
[10:57] <diddledan> it might do
[10:57] <awilkins> The website of The Independent does something similar
[10:57] <awilkins> Page scrolls really slowly, eats CPU
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> newspapers do seem to be guilty of most addons sucking cpu at the same time
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's to punish us for not buying a paper copy
[10:58] <awilkins> Or possibly to mine BitCoin for Rupert Murdoch
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> or mine secrets for rupert murdoch, he got away with hacking once...
[10:59]  * awilkins wonders if there are any distributed mining things that work by farming workunits out to js in peoples browsers
[11:00] <awilkins> Of course there is : http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable
[11:00] <awilkins> Bitcoin mining plugin for WordPress
[11:01] <awilkins> The dude only wants a 19%  cut!
[11:01] <MooDoo> i'll install it to my WP sites, would me I get 0.000000000000001 of a BC in about 20 years
[11:02] <awilkins> There's a WP site at my old work that has about 100 plugins in it
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> tbh, i'd prefer my doddery relatives computers were mining bitcoins than sending spam
[11:02] <awilkins> Don't think they'd notice another one...
[11:02] <andrewebdev> I'm wondering, since the announcement of LXD I've not really seen much documentation and/or tutorials on it. Does anyone know where I can find docs on using it?
[11:03] <knightwise> p0p0k@t3ptl
[11:03] <knightwise> That is the name of a mountain in africa
[11:03] <awilkins> Nice coverup
[11:03] <awilkins> All we saw was
[11:03] <awilkins> ***********
[11:04] <knightwise> LOL
[11:04] <knightwise> nice one awilkins
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> dibs on his paypal :-P
[11:05] <awilkins> That bitcoin miner plugin thing seems to be a Java applet
[11:05] <awilkins> +1 for speed -1 for getting people to run it
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> if you sell it right you could need a 20 page list of instructions and some people would install it :-)
[11:10] <popey> hmm
[11:10] <awilkins> One that's pure js and has WebGL support : https://github.com/derjanb/hamiyoca
[11:10] <popey> seems my thinkpad doesn't want to be a soundblaster 16 or awe32
[11:11] <awilkins> AWE32 was a great card
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> don't thinkpads also have an awful awful modem pretending to be a sound card driver?
[11:11] <MooDoo> dma=1 irq=5 iirc :D
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> same irq as our network cards...
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> base 320h
[11:12] <popey> yeah, says it cant find the card
[11:12] <popey> unsurprisingly
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: is this for dosbox by anychance?
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> maybe some mad genius wrote a driver to make it think an ac'97 is a soundblaster in dos? :-)
[11:14] <popey> davmor2: no, real hardware
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: ah :)  try soundblaster pro
[11:15] <popey> not an option
[11:15] <knightwise> mpsyt :)
[11:16] <davmor2> popey: pc speaker
[11:16] <knightwise> Better then Spotify
[11:16] <popey> gravis, sb, sound man 16, pro audio spectrum, awe 32, soundscape, disney sound source, tandy sound source
[11:16] <popey> (duke 3d)
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> ad lib
[11:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:19] <diddledan> not for much longer
[11:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: hello
[11:22] <bigcalm> o/
[11:22] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30948123
[11:23] <MooDoo> google also released 3 zero days for apple osx too
[12:20] <knightwise> quick question
[12:20] <knightwise> suppose I ssh into a machine from the command line and would like to launch an app
[12:20] <knightwise> how do i put that in one command line command
[12:20] <knightwise> ssh me@server:command or ssh me@server / command ?
[12:25] <Laney> laney@iota:~$ ssh vivid.local echo hello knightwise from \$\(hostname\)
[12:25] <Laney> hello knightwise from vivid
[12:28] <awilkins> knightwise, GUI app?
[12:28] <awilkins> ssh -X user@server 'command line'
[12:33] <knightwise> commmand line app
[12:34] <knightwise> the error i'm getting wehn i do it your way is : "the term environment variable is unset"
[13:21] <mapps> back y'all
[13:21] <mapps> back in the sun
[13:21] <mapps> :D
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> natural light, get it off me!!
[13:34] <awilkins> knightwise, That sounds like an app-specific error
[13:34] <knightwise> mc ? doesnt strike me as an exotic app
[13:34] <mapps> ;]
[13:35] <awilkins> try  ssh user@server 'TERM=xterm mc'
[13:35] <awilkins> mc is ncurses
[13:35] <awilkins> since you're shelling straight in and just running it you're not starting a terminal on the server
[13:35] <awilkins> hence no TERM env var
[13:36] <awilkins> Since it can't predict terminal behaviour it's throwing a spaz
[13:36] <awilkins> set it to whatever your local term env says (gnome-terminal says xterm for me here)
[13:56] <knightwise> ha
[13:56] <knightwise> i"ll try
[13:56] <knightwise> IT WORKS :)
[15:43] <popey> ChunkzZ: has your internet connection improved since moving wifi channel?
[17:29] <Azelphur> muhahah, victory is mine, finally bypassed threes new tethering detection.
[17:31] <Azelphur> set up a SSH Server on the phone to socks proxy and am using tsocks for applications that don't support socks.
[17:46] <Myrtti> oh, they've got a tethering detection? bother.
[17:51] <Azelphur> Myrtti, yea, they always have, but up until the past couple months it had just been layer 7
[17:51] <Azelphur> Myrtti, now they are doing something new, I dunno what it is, at first I thought it was TTL but ping -t 65 doesn't get through.
[17:51] <Azelphur> whatever it is, it's clever I'll give themt hat
[17:55] <Azelphur> SO MANY FUCKING TUNNELS >.>
[17:55] <Myrtti> tsk.
[17:55] <Azelphur> just realised I typed ^ in ubuntu-uk and not my channel, sorry >.>
[17:55] <Azelphur> not the place for that.
[17:55] <Azelphur> on a train, tunnels keep disconnecting my internet, first world problems :(
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> but if you have no tunnels where would you run your trains?? :-)
[19:50] <shauno> bridges :)
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> nah, proper trains have tunnels
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> but surley - trains should be using clouds - everybody using clouds - why not trains? Let's see how clever you are nowcloud users! [hurumph]
[19:53]  * zmoylan-pi doesn't want to see a load bearing cloud as the weather might be nasty
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> lol
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> i mean in ireland we run rail lines across bogs and those are fun
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> ...& as to the phrase " proper trains have tunnels".. anybody told Euro Tunnel that?  they seem to prefer the M20
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> well if you build a rail line on a bog it eventually provides it's own tunnel as it sinks and closes over the train :-)
[20:00] <shauno> gotta admit, not so impressed with the trains in Ireland
[20:00] <shauno> I mean - they all go to dublin?  Who in their right mind ..
[20:00] <SuperEngineer> glug glug... "the expected arrival for dublin will be a bit late. We apologise for the delay"
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> I bog therefore I'm late
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> trains in ireland are ok, cheaper often to get a flight from one end of country to the other, and quicker.  but trains are still popular
[20:01] <diddledan> shauno, to be fair pretty much every train in england ends up at "bristol temple-meads"
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> there's a causeway in tipperary i think that seems to sink every 50-70 years.  eventually the next causeway will have been built on enough rubble to not sink
[20:02] <shauno> I'd quite like a line that heads south, so I can get to shannon instead of relying on dublin airport :/
[20:02] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it's a long way to tipperary
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> ooooooooohh no!
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> especially when you have to disembark, walk with luggage through a few feet of bog and then a few miles to next town to catch the linking bus
[20:03]  * SuperEngineer stops clock on waiting for that 1!
[20:03] <diddledan> yeah, that's every commuter's nightmare phrase: rail replacement service
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> well dublin airport is really just named dublin airport to confuse invading forces... :-P
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> it's so remote from dublin that ryan air flies into it and calls it dublin airport
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> Got stuck there once.. was using ticket from manager who got ill...
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> ...plane went
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> 2tech
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> 2.
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> i went to #business lounge ;)
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> ...free food... oh, & free booze
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> me likey Dublin airport :D
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> free booze... in ireland... i wonder what that costs them :-)
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> I wondered that at the time!
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> well... till the free booze kicked in
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> ..but then had another freebie & forgot about it!  ;D
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> My main gripe with Dublin airport... they fixed the darned plane - no fair!
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> no free booze or food on plane
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> [except a muffin - no comment]
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> a bran muffin... and then they charge to use the loo!  the fiends!!
[20:10] <shauno> I've spent so much time on ryanair, I was quite confused when Austrian fed us
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> definite lol
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, ^
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> Here's a good one; man from BT apparently arrived this morning, declared telegraph pole unsafe & cut all lines without warning anybody so he could remove the pole!
[20:15]  * SuperEngineer is back to using 3g dongle atm
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> irony would be if after he cut the wires the pole fell...
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> yup
[20:15] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, I believe if it's off for more than 4 hours you're allowed to claim compensation
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> correct
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> already underway
[20:16] <diddledan> well done :-)
[20:16] <ali1234> i just found the stupidest bug ever
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> [though not sure re 4 hourd bit - but no hope till Monday is out of any time limit!]
[20:17] <ali1234> how do i report bugs against the upgrade tool?
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> a stupid bug, that's a bit technocratist!
[20:18] <ali1234> it's really stupid though
[20:18] <ali1234> 1. install 13.10
[20:18] <ali1234> 2. upgrade to 14.04
[20:18] <ali1234> 3. enable partner repo
[20:18] <ali1234> 4. install skype
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> surely you mean a bug of impaired mentality :D
[20:18] <ali1234> it doesn't work, because you get the version for 13.10
[20:18] <ali1234> developer of impaired mentality perhaps, but the bug is just plain stupid
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> ok - agreed
[20:20] <SuperEngineer> why not just install 14.04 first?
[20:20] <ali1234> yes, let me just get in my time machine and do that
[20:21] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget the lotto numbers
[20:22] <SuperEngineer> still waiting for those lotto numbers... that time machine must have a faulty starter motor
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> you're waiting for someone to give you a delorean to install it
[20:23] <ali1234> it's funny how whenever i have to do anything computer related for anyone else i always hit a bug
[20:23] <ali1234> but i hardly ever do
[20:24] <zmoylan-pi> anytime i have to touch someones windows computer i usually have to wait a sizeable chunk of a gigabyte of updates to install
[20:26] <ali1234> bug 1414150
[21:56] <mapps> taken  eh
[21:57] <mapps> a 3rd one now..prob same as 1/2 no doubt
[22:12] <ali1234> what's a good OS image for raspberry pi that will work with 4GB card and allow me to test the audio and camera module?
[22:12] <ali1234> oh and wifi
[22:12] <brobostigon> raspbian
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> though a 4gb card is on the small side these days
[22:15] <brobostigon> yes, my both, runs on 16gb sd cards, and they got filled very quickly.
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> you think to yourself i'll only keep a tiny amount of data on them and the next thing you know you're connecting a 1tb drive... :-)
[22:16] <brobostigon> yep, :)
[22:18] <ali1234> well...
[22:19] <mapps> my pesky vpn isnt working grr
[22:19] <mapps> can connect but not access net..grmpf ive set ipforwarding on and the iptables rules
[22:22] <daftykins> diagnose it
[22:22] <daftykins> ping by IP, check routes...
[22:22] <daftykins> all the usual
[22:23] <mapps> yea going to
[22:23] <mapps> just a pain
[22:23] <mapps> especially because i forgot my charger for my big laptop LOL..double checked my bags before i left and somehow didnt consider charger
[22:23] <mapps> unpacked realised i dont have it so have to use my netbook for everything
[22:27] <daftykins> a fate worse than death
[22:28] <daftykins> mapps: hey the windows 10 image got updated - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=522102
[22:31] <mapps> wonder how diff it is
[22:31] <mapps> lets see
[22:33] <daftykins> well it's definitely different to the first image they put out :>
[22:35] <mapps> apparently ws like -7  in heathrow last night
[22:35] <mapps> did feel cold when i got there heh
[22:35] <daftykins> wowzer
[22:35] <mapps> mustve been -2 or so at 6am
[22:36] <mapps> tethered my phone to laptop and watched old GOAT
[22:37] <mapps> BUT he lost
[22:37] <mapps> :((
[22:37] <daftykins> no idea what that is
[22:38] <mapps> ROGER THE FEDERER
[22:38] <mapps> fed express
[22:38] <mapps> :D
[22:38] <mapps> old greatest of all time
[22:38] <mapps> he
[22:39] <daftykins> aah
[22:39] <daftykins> we have a mate that looks exactly like him
[22:39] <daftykins> when we see him, we ask how the ol' tennis is going
[22:40] <diddledan> does anyone in the uk here have win10 installed?
[22:40] <diddledan> seems cortana doesn't like me :-(
[22:40] <mapps> daftykins,  does i thought
[22:40] <daftykins> diddledan: i'll have it up in a VM shortly
[22:40] <daftykins> downloading right now
[22:40]  * daftykins goes back to making a sandwich
[22:40] <diddledan> daftykins, I'm getting cortana say that she's "unavailable to help in your location"
[22:41] <mapps> thought you already did
[22:41] <mapps> you deld old win10
[22:41] <daftykins> diddledan: did you download the UK ISO?
[22:42] <daftykins> mapps: yeah the old build doesn't update to the new
[22:42] <diddledan> daftykins, I upgraded in-place from an already installed 10
[22:42] <daftykins> meh i only have a VM with nothing on it, i'll just nuke it
[22:42] <daftykins> got on on my laptop here under vbox and one on the desktop with vmware ws
[22:45] <mapps> i almost lost £2500 on fed..my 3g saved me
[22:45] <mapps> lol
[22:45] <mapps> if i hadnt have been able to put the match on wouldnt have been able to switch:)
[22:48] <daftykins> or you could just not gamble :>
[22:50] <mapps> i was trading like a pro on betfair i prefer to say
[22:50] <mapps> :d
[22:50] <mapps> ;D
[22:50] <mapps> layed United at 1/5 for £1000 (200 quid risk) lay the short odds back the big odds1
[22:51] <mapps> fiinished 0-0..meanwhile my mug friend lost like 400 on it ..tsk
[22:55] <daftykins> o0
[22:56] <mapps> crazy how much yen is bet on stuff..5.8 million on the federer match 4.5 on united
[22:56] <mapps> imagine all that moey in 20 pound notes
[22:56] <mapps> :D
[22:56] <daftykins> haha
[22:57] <daftykins> my mate was working nuclear research in Tokyo, getting paid all in yen in cash. foreigners can't hold accounts or something he said, so he brings it all back to England
[22:57] <daftykins> next thing, the Japanese PM is doing some thing which drops the value so it's all worth way less, doh!
[22:57] <daftykins> ah i cannot cut this cathedral city cheddar for sandwiches without wanting a piece
[23:00] <mapps> lol
[23:00] <mapps> really
[23:00] <mapps> like suitcases full of cash
[23:00] <mapps> cant he get paid into a uk bank
[23:02] <diddledan> daftykins, cathedral city is nummy
[23:03] <ali1234> so anyway as i was saying
[23:03] <ali1234> i just want to test the hardware and i only hav a 4GB card
[23:04] <daftykins> mapps: i think the language barrier might've had something to do with his reluctance
[23:04] <mapps> heh
[23:05] <daftykins> gogo virtualbox, give me something other than a blank screen for win10 :P
[23:09] <ali1234> bringing a suitcase full of cash through customs tho...
[23:09] <ali1234> i can't imagine that being easy
[23:10] <daftykins> =]
[23:25] <mapps> 07827 668566wow
[23:25] <mapps> oops
[23:25] <mapps> wow android is diff to ios
[23:25] <mapps> i cant even figure out how to edit a contact
[23:25] <mapps> LOL
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> you're supposed to fire up chrome and log into google and change it there like a good little user :-)
[23:26] <mapps> what?!
[23:26] <mapps> you cant do it on the phone?!
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> you can but it can be annoying
[23:26] <mapps> yea
[23:27] <mapps> also its a PITA
[23:27] <mapps> if i ring a UK number it says call ended
[23:27] <mapps> have to add +44 to every contact
[23:27] <mapps> on my iphone if i call 079 xxx abroad it still works
[23:27] <daftykins> pfft it's easy
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't have to do that. i didn't when i used android phone
[23:27] <mapps> what about the second issue>
[23:27] <mapps> hmm
[23:27] <mapps> honestly 01483 47xxx call ended
[23:27] <daftykins> now that you travel a lot you should enter all numbers longhand
[23:28] <mapps> type +44 483 and it works
[23:28] <daftykins> that's quite funny, 01481 is the Guernsey area code
[23:28] <daftykins> :>
[23:28] <mapps> :D
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> i just stopped the contacts sync and used the sim for storing numbers
[23:28] <daftykins> i only needed to remember 5 digits to call home when i was a kid over at friends ;_;
[23:28] <mapps> id rather force it to just work and call uk numbers like normal
[23:29] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: negating the wonderful backup that is cloud data? tsk tsk
[23:29] <daftykins> i love not having to deal with that SIM junk anymore
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> if it's important it wouldn't be in the cloud for every one to see
[23:31] <diddledan> I love cloud sync
[23:31] <diddledan> I'd be lost without it
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> i liked sync on palm, i liked sync on psion, i don't like backing up personal data via internet.
[23:32] <diddledan> it just annoys me that each company needs their own silo
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> psion had vcf, palm talked with that
[23:32] <daftykins> i had a series 3c with PsiWin :>
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> simple, elegant, worked.  then wince came along and it all went wrong
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> psiwin, the most complex vb app i ever locked horns with :-)
[23:33] <daftykins> diddledan: ugh what have they done to WIndows Update =|
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> when it worked it was fantastic, when it didn't you'd swear a bit and get it working again
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> vb and serial communications were never 100%
[23:33] <diddledan> daftykins, ?
[23:33] <daftykins> in win10
[23:34] <diddledan> I can't say I've noticed any diff?
[23:34] <daftykins> it ran a metro'y app which brought up a huge settings cog to be the windows update app now
[23:35] <daftykins> seems to be joined with backup and restore
[23:35] <daftykins> *recovery
[23:35] <diddledan> it's part of the new control panel
[23:35] <diddledan> the settings app and control panel are almost the same thing (supposedly) now
[23:36] <diddledan> or rather more is done via the settings app than the evilness that is the win32 control panel
[23:37] <daftykins> ;]
[23:38] <daftykins> hmm WU is gone from the Control Panel, that's all i spy
[23:44] <mapps> vb
[23:44] <mapps> urgh