[00:35] interesting - tesco/talktalk's blinkbox does ultraviolet now [00:35] might be worth switching my purchasing habbit to them rather than googleplaydoh [00:36] specifically because it will mean I have the same library for titles I may get physically as gifts e.g. [00:37] I have no idea what that means [00:38] same [00:38] blinkbox, ultraviolet or googleplaydoh? [00:38] ;] [00:38] yes [00:38] when you buy a film on BD/DVD ultraviolet is the streaming service attached [00:38] so you get both one or two physical copies plus x number of streams [00:39] blinkbox: blinkbox.com; ultraviolet: uvvu.com; googleplaydoh: play.google.com === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:45] hmm [00:45] stupid thunderbird [00:45] maybe i should giveup with using an email app [00:48] heh [00:48] that is a bit 90s [00:48] :> [00:48] aye. away to mutt with ya [00:53] yea [00:54] i just like it [00:54] but every time it decides to download ALL emails no matter what i do [00:54] like emails from years back:D [00:55] mapps, I hear that. with an 8GB email archive it takes a while for thunderbird to sync when I set it up anew [00:57] i upgraded office version on the boss' old laptop before i left, yesterday [00:57] it's gonna pull down his 19GB worth of email :P [00:57] and that's only the stuff we leave on the hosted setup. [00:58] ooooooooooooohhhhh: simon "scotty" pegg is going to co-write the next startrek! [00:59] he keeps showing up in films that don't seem like they should be comedies, giving them a comedic vibe [00:59] I love his scotty [01:00] not seen either of those new films [01:00] I loved "paul" too [01:00] paul is an awesome movie [01:13] diddledan did you want it to dl them all? [01:14] :) [01:23] diddledan: [01:23] how to remove wp plugin without removing its data? [01:23] shauno, just delete it [01:23] shauno, don't deactivate it first [01:26] I think I just broke someone else's site :) [01:26] \o/ [01:26] \o/ [01:30] I have no idea what that was, I think I'm just going to leave it alone and see if anyone notices [01:35] sounds like a fine approach to me [01:35] well, I tend to update all her stuff whenever I'm in the area, because she avoids any button she doesn't understand [01:36] so I updated jetpack, and it disappeared. so I tried to reinstall it, but it said it was already installed. and then it was installed but wouldn't activate [01:36] I'm not entirely sure what happened next, but it appears to be back now? [01:36] XD [01:36] this firewall on my bigv.io still blocks wordpress cals [01:37] *calls [01:54] grmpf [01:54] got to get the bus at 6;40am [01:56] then go to bed? [01:56] i will in a bit [01:56] :D [01:56] tennis is on [01:57] lol [01:57] ... [01:57] lol why?:D [01:58] 7gonna have to sleep in 2 shifts [01:58] few hrs now few hours when i get back [01:58] :) [01:58] well, personally, tennis doesn't rank highly on the list of reasons I'm not in bed, that's all [01:58] oh [01:59] +1 [01:59] (it's right up there with cricket & golf on my list of "things I can't imagine people watching unless they're high") [02:02] hm [02:02] it does seem like something a dog would happily watch, but a cat would squint at you and wonder what the punchline was [07:31] hmm, I've only got 560GB of download in my sabnzb queue :-p [07:31] I don't do illegal, obviously [07:32] it's incrementing as we speak, because I went through my sickbeard listings and told it to research everything it had previously decided wasn't available [07:33] up to 600GB [07:35] luckily I still have 2.6 thousand spaces left [07:35] "2685.90 GB Free Space" [07:35] see, 2.6k-spaces [08:11] mornin peeps === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:37] morning knightwise [08:40] happy friday [08:44] yo [08:46] * diddledan awaits the jamestait "what day is today?" [08:46] corrolary - where is he?! [08:47] tabcomplete can't find him so I'm assuming he d/c'd [08:58] he always does [09:00] happy friday :) === arsenip_ is now known as arsenip [09:01] I don't think disconnection should be allowed [09:18] Morning all [09:19] I wonder when MS will unleash the next build of windows10 (they said within the next week on wednesday) [09:20] I'm getting antsy [09:20] I want it NOW [09:20] meh [09:21] I'm an instant gratification nut [09:21] as soon as it's announced I want it [09:21] also "meh" [09:21] my GameOS machine runs Windows 7. [09:22] I'd be tempted to upgrade to Windows 10 if it didn't break everything on the machine, just for the free upgrade [09:22] from what I can tell windows 10 will get delivered as a windows-update patch [09:22] i.e. everyone who has windows update turned on will receive it [09:22] i doubt that [09:22] maybe for people who have windows 8 [09:23] I suspect you'll have to buy it at zero cost [09:23] anyone who has 7sp1, 8 or 8.1 [09:23] * bashrc refuses to support windows anymore [09:23] quite the delta from 7 to 10 [09:23] if they upgrade 7, a very large number of companies will go absolutely ape shit [09:24] we are talking "switch to ubuntu" levels of rage [09:24] bonus [09:26] the windows site says: "We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!*" with the smallprint stating: "*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP [09:26] fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required." [09:26] that doesnt mean they get it automagically [09:26] it'll be optional [09:26] right, it will just be a popup box that says "click here to download windows 10" [09:26] fair enough - I probably just read too much into the requirement for windows update to be enabled [09:27] the key word here is "offer" [09:27] maybe they'll put it in the optional section which requires manual ticking of boxes [09:27] i doubt windows is even capable of in-place upgrades like that [09:27] you need install media [09:28] windows 8 upgrades to 8.1 without a dvd [09:28] and windows 7 upgrades to 8 with just a small application download which then does the rest [09:28] i.e. no dvd again [09:29] er, no it doesn't [09:29] yes it does. I've done it [09:29] that small application downloads the windows 8 ISO and then burns it to a disc [09:29] nope [09:29] then you install it like any other version of windows [09:29] i've got a burned windows 8 disc here that i made using that procedure [09:30] afair it was an in situ update without a dvd required [09:30] you _can_ make a dvd, but it's not needed if you're doing a like-for-like upgrade [09:31] i.e. updating 32bit 7 to 64bit 8 will require the dvd [09:31] but 32 to 32 can be done within the booted os === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:40] morning all [09:42] we can ship win10 to you on floppy... [09:43] microdrives! [09:43] i was thinking 8" single side floppies [09:45] i installed MSDOS 6.22 on a "modern" laptop the other day [09:45] that was fun :) [09:45] and fast! [09:46] popey, I bet you didn't need any drivers, either [09:47] morning peeps [09:47] knightwise, you said that already [09:47] well, no, but things dont work [09:47] like sound [09:47] popey, who needs audio?! [09:48] this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPA_TpkzkA [09:48] diddledan: you werent awake the first time [09:48] to play games [09:48] wanted to play some dos games [09:48] dosbox ftw [09:49] * knightwise is still trying to get his retropi install working [09:50] blindfold speedrun?! [09:50] nah, i want to run on real hardware, not emulated [09:52] probably drivers in config.sys for uk keyboard [09:52] well... country [09:53] that was all default right for me [09:53] i used the DOS setup.exe [09:53] wait, dos has a setup.exe? [09:53] so still set up drivers so [09:53] yes [09:53] dos 4 onwards had a setup iirc [09:54] i never knew that [09:54] heh, DOS 4 was the Windows Me. [09:55] dos 3 when i started was just fdisk the drive, format the drive (assuming it was ide, could be very wierd otherwise) /s and copy over the floppy into directory called \dos [09:55] DOS 4? I only has 6.22 [09:55] yeah, I started with 3.3 [09:55] or maybe 3.1 [09:55] dos 4 was terrible, used too much memory, no one used it [09:55] sys c:\ and then copy config.sys and autoexec.bat [09:56] only reason to use it was for partitions bigger than 32mb [09:56] http://i.imgur.com/z5jwkis.jpg [09:57] fun [09:57] thats on a 32GB USB stick so I can use it on anyones PC :) [09:57] oh, kill the smartdrv, waste of memory :-) [09:57] well it is now, yeah [09:57] that was my default install [09:57] but at least it's /x to kill the write behind feature that annoyed everyone [09:58] i liked the fact that its full screen, and not some odd window [09:58] so things it can't do.. sound, network... [09:58] dos 6.22 can link to another computer with serial/paralled cable, primitive network :-) [09:58] refering the text mode VGA as "fullscreen" [09:59] hehe :) [09:59] you sound like some hotshot 20 yr old node developer [09:59] i had been using laplink since dos 3 days so never used it. [09:59] ahh, my three headed laplink cable [10:00] that was closely guarded [10:00] yeah, i wrote very rude labels and stuck them all over my one so no one would borrow it [10:01] my first social engineering :'-) [10:01] laplink was... bad [10:01] laplink was excellent [10:01] actually i wonder if the sound card in the thinkpad might just work [10:01] luckily i was using an amiga at the time when it was popular [10:01] need to find some dos game with audio [10:01] JamesTait: slacker [10:01] I think it was just a null modem cable [10:01] there is an external parallel sound card that might do it iirc [10:01] ethernet was common by the time i was forced to switch to PC [10:02] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Handwriting Day! :-D [10:02] \o/ [10:02] we've already done happy friday JamesTait, friday trumps handwriting day :-) [10:02] \o/ just found some old CDs I burned from 1998 with games on [10:02] gosh [10:02] haha, has loads of dos utilities [10:03] like arj, rar200, pkarc [10:03] i think i might have a zip file on my phone with a backup of all my games from then... [10:03] commander keen... [10:03] mahjongg [10:03] i put the cd in my windows pc, microsoft security essentials found a virus on it :) [10:03] Joe:Win16/Stupid [10:03] *Joke [10:04] don't copy that floppy [10:04] unless you're the government... [10:05] haha, there's a linux install guide from 1997 on it [10:05] Ooh, null modem cables [10:05] Used to string our Amigas together with those and play Populous 2 [10:06] is that the one that warns about making your monitor explode getting x to work? :-) [10:06] I went to college with a guy who had coax lan - I think it was ethernet, but it mighta been token I guess [10:07] morning boys and girls. [10:07] allo [10:07] my first network was a novell network on ne2000 boards connected via coax [10:07] * bashrc didn't know anything about linux until 1999/2000 [10:08] then we discovered cheap ne2000 clones... the original ne2000 boards cost as much as a cheap laptop now [10:08] I had a coax lan. coax was unreliable [10:08] I remember asking the college it guys about their server because it was showing a non-graphical terminal - I said something like "is that linux?" and they replied "no, it's a real netware server" [10:09] zmoylan-pi++ [10:09] because netware > linux, right? [10:09] coax worked fine as long as the cable was kept away from people kicking it and the terminators/connectors were good. at work we'd have a cable problem every 2-3 months. [10:09] coax was bad but it was still miles better than laplink [10:09] at the time netware was better [10:09] and netware 4 was much better than linux was at the time yes [10:09] netware software was a rock. it just kept running [10:09] this was circa 99/00 [10:10] oh i got out of netware in ~1996 [10:10] humidity could cause strange behavior of the coax networks [10:10] so linux was about 6 years old. a regular bubby [10:10] there's a famous story of a novell netware server walled up for a couple of years accidently and still kept running. [10:10] netware was probably still better than linux in 1999 but it was crippled due to using IPX not TCP/IP [10:10] i think there are still fat ethernet cables laid at my local college that I put in 20 years ago. [10:10] GTA over IPX over coax made up far too much of my final year at uni. [10:10] they are kept to punish the bad pupils :-) [10:11] a company I was at used netware until about 2003 [10:11] IPXSPX [10:11] NETX [10:11] IPODI! [10:11] memories... [10:11] don't forget share.exe if you want file locking :-) [10:11] netbeui? [10:11] is that spelt right? [10:11] something like that [10:12] Ugh, had blocked all that horrible networking stuff from my mind [10:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBIOS [10:12] Hooray for TCP/IP [10:13] one of my first certification was for Novell Netware.... [10:13] blast from the past [10:15] crazy that MS still clings to netbios names [10:15] my boss while at a wedding saw the hotels server sitting behind reception desk leaned over and downed their server while drunk for a giggle. [10:16] bit of a T**t then [10:16] zmoylan-pi, well you would, wouldn't you! [10:16] waking up the next morning at checkout he saw the technical staff frantically at the server wondering what was wrong. he 'fixed' it for them and slunk out so embarrassed. [10:17] what a kn*b [10:17] drunk, very drunk... [10:18] My first job out of uni involved preparing for Y2K by migrating our Novell Netware 4 network to a Windows NT domain (to also integrate our small office network with the group network over ISDN). [10:18] but he'd tell that story to customers as to why they shouldn't put servers in publically accessible places so some good came of it [10:18] o_O the gadget show website is reporting that the iwatch will have a battery life of 2.5hours [10:18] Is that in Dick Tracy videophone mode? [10:18] Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? [10:18] 2.5 hours... does that count as battery life? [10:19] or a demo [10:19] so much for 'worlds most innovative company' [10:19] i see argos are now selling pebble [10:22] some people when they move house don't kid around... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-pnOmCMAA72mv.jpg:large [10:23] They seem to do that a fair bit in the states i think zmoylan-pi , there is a TV series about it [10:23] :) [10:24] wouldn't it be cheaper to take a copy of the plans and you know just make a second copy? [10:27] But this is 'Merica! [10:27] :) [10:27] You could even knock down the old house and call it a "teleport" [10:27] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/22/2233248/researchers-moot-teleportation-via-destructive-3d-printing [10:27] you could leave the old house and call it a teleport accident... [10:27] Anyone see that article about the Chinese buildings made with a ginormous 3D printer? [10:28] They're kinda weird inside, look like the excretions of some giant termits [10:28] haven't we been using giant 3d printers since we started pouring concrete into moulds onsite? [10:28] Moulds not the same [10:29] http://rt.com/news/224423-china-3d-printer-house/ [10:30] Those blocks look quite light [10:33] why do reporters insist on calling the material that 3d printers extrude "ink"?! [10:34] because reporters are dumb and their general audience dumber [10:34] they go for the cliche rather than educate these days it seems [10:37] Also quite like the houses made of expanded polystyrene bricks like LEGO that you then fill with concrete [10:38] i liked the carlsberg bottle that was designed to be used as a housebrick when it was empty [10:38] the other thing that annoys me about news reports is that the reporter usually insists on putting a pun or many into it [10:38] wasnt that a heineken one [10:38] I'm thinking of styrofoam bricks and wood when we do our home reno [10:38] could be some other booze, i don't drink sorry [10:38] we have been thinking about putting in an addition [10:38] extention i mean [10:39] heineken, yup http://inhabitat.com/heineken-wobo-the-brick-that-holds-beer/ [10:46] https://github.com/alex/what-happens-when === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:52] That Heineken story makes my browser choke [10:53] some good would come from all the empty bottles [10:54] Ugh, whatever it is on that page totally locks up Firefox [10:54] This seems to be a trend I've noticed recently [10:54] Newspaper websites do it too [10:54] works fine on my firefox, i use ghostery though so that might be stopping the nasty [10:55] Closed all my Firefox windows. Process is still caning a CPI [10:55] CPU [10:55] * awilkins kill -9s it [10:55] awilkins, it might be a rogue flash ad [10:56] Not the plugin hosting process (has a separate process name, no?) [10:57] it might do [10:57] The website of The Independent does something similar [10:57] Page scrolls really slowly, eats CPU [10:58] newspapers do seem to be guilty of most addons sucking cpu at the same time [10:58] i think it's to punish us for not buying a paper copy [10:58] Or possibly to mine BitCoin for Rupert Murdoch [10:59] or mine secrets for rupert murdoch, he got away with hacking once... [10:59] * awilkins wonders if there are any distributed mining things that work by farming workunits out to js in peoples browsers [11:00] Of course there is : http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable [11:00] Bitcoin mining plugin for WordPress [11:01] The dude only wants a 19% cut! [11:01] i'll install it to my WP sites, would me I get 0.000000000000001 of a BC in about 20 years [11:02] There's a WP site at my old work that has about 100 plugins in it [11:02] tbh, i'd prefer my doddery relatives computers were mining bitcoins than sending spam [11:02] Don't think they'd notice another one... [11:02] I'm wondering, since the announcement of LXD I've not really seen much documentation and/or tutorials on it. Does anyone know where I can find docs on using it? [11:03] p0p0k@t3ptl [11:03] That is the name of a mountain in africa [11:03] Nice coverup [11:03] All we saw was [11:03] *********** [11:04] LOL [11:04] nice one awilkins [11:04] dibs on his paypal :-P [11:05] That bitcoin miner plugin thing seems to be a Java applet [11:05] +1 for speed -1 for getting people to run it [11:06] if you sell it right you could need a 20 page list of instructions and some people would install it :-) [11:10] hmm [11:10] One that's pure js and has WebGL support : https://github.com/derjanb/hamiyoca [11:10] seems my thinkpad doesn't want to be a soundblaster 16 or awe32 [11:11] AWE32 was a great card [11:11] don't thinkpads also have an awful awful modem pretending to be a sound card driver? [11:11] dma=1 irq=5 iirc :D [11:11] same irq as our network cards... [11:12] base 320h [11:12] yeah, says it cant find the card [11:12] unsurprisingly [11:13] popey: is this for dosbox by anychance? [11:13] maybe some mad genius wrote a driver to make it think an ac'97 is a soundblaster in dos? :-) [11:14] davmor2: no, real hardware [11:15] popey: ah :) try soundblaster pro [11:15] not an option [11:15] mpsyt :) [11:16] popey: pc speaker [11:16] Better then Spotify [11:16] gravis, sb, sound man 16, pro audio spectrum, awe 32, soundscape, disney sound source, tandy sound source [11:16] (duke 3d) [11:16] ad lib [11:19] Good morning peeps :) [11:19] not for much longer [11:19] bigcalm: hello [11:22] o/ [11:22] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30948123 [11:23] google also released 3 zero days for apple osx too === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:20] quick question [12:20] suppose I ssh into a machine from the command line and would like to launch an app [12:20] how do i put that in one command line command [12:20] ssh me@server:command or ssh me@server / command ? [12:25] laney@iota:~$ ssh vivid.local echo hello knightwise from \$$hostname$ [12:25] hello knightwise from vivid === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:28] knightwise, GUI app? [12:28] ssh -X user@server 'command line' [12:33] commmand line app [12:34] the error i'm getting wehn i do it your way is : "the term environment variable is unset" === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:21] back y'all [13:21] back in the sun [13:21] :D [13:24] natural light, get it off me!! === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === zmoylan-pi is now known as ubuntu-fan01 [13:34] knightwise, That sounds like an app-specific error [13:34] mc ? doesnt strike me as an exotic app [13:34] ;] [13:35] try ssh user@server 'TERM=xterm mc' [13:35] mc is ncurses [13:35] since you're shelling straight in and just running it you're not starting a terminal on the server [13:35] hence no TERM env var [13:36] Since it can't predict terminal behaviour it's throwing a spaz [13:36] set it to whatever your local term env says (gnome-terminal says xterm for me here) === ubuntu-fan01 is now known as zmoylan-pi [13:56] ha [13:56] i"ll try [13:56] IT WORKS :) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:43] ChunkzZ: has your internet connection improved since moving wifi channel? [17:29] muhahah, victory is mine, finally bypassed threes new tethering detection. [17:31] set up a SSH Server on the phone to socks proxy and am using tsocks for applications that don't support socks. [17:46] oh, they've got a tethering detection? bother. [17:51] Myrtti, yea, they always have, but up until the past couple months it had just been layer 7 [17:51] Myrtti, now they are doing something new, I dunno what it is, at first I thought it was TTL but ping -t 65 doesn't get through. [17:51] whatever it is, it's clever I'll give themt hat [17:55] SO MANY FUCKING TUNNELS >.> [17:55] tsk. [17:55] just realised I typed ^ in ubuntu-uk and not my channel, sorry >.> [17:55] not the place for that. [17:55] on a train, tunnels keep disconnecting my internet, first world problems :( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [19:50] but if you have no tunnels where would you run your trains?? :-) [19:50] bridges :) [19:52] nah, proper trains have tunnels [19:53] but surley - trains should be using clouds - everybody using clouds - why not trains? Let's see how clever you are nowcloud users! [hurumph] [19:53] * zmoylan-pi doesn't want to see a load bearing cloud as the weather might be nasty [19:54] lol [19:54] i mean in ireland we run rail lines across bogs and those are fun [19:56] ...& as to the phrase " proper trains have tunnels".. anybody told Euro Tunnel that? they seem to prefer the M20 [19:56] well if you build a rail line on a bog it eventually provides it's own tunnel as it sinks and closes over the train :-) [20:00] gotta admit, not so impressed with the trains in Ireland [20:00]