[02:40] <nhaines> The only thing that makes me angrier than systemd is when people call it "System D".
[02:41] <DonkeyHotei> in text, you mean?
[02:41] <nhaines> Yes.
[04:19] <MarkDude> Google + Apple +systemd = Skynet
[04:20] <MarkDude> Systemd can do EVERYTHING. Not joking, it can download pics from Internets too
[04:21] <MarkDude> A few years from now- Im gonna be a Systemd Ambassador. Folks will be going to Systemd-bucon
[04:22] <MarkDude> Our only form of individuality will be our choice of containers
[04:40] <MarkDude> Only outlaws will have init
[06:05] <ianorlin> MarkDude: give me the ability to shapesift or it can't do everything
[06:06] <DonkeyHotei> fight sarcasm with sarcasm, i guess
[17:15] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, only a touch of sarcasm. d does replace sooo much. Many FOSS folks are ready to endorse other ways to init, if they will work, and get adopted
[17:16] <MarkDude> Quite a few from the part of Linux this started in. Splits are gonna happen. Eventually tho- d will allow shapeshifting when combined with hololens XD
[17:47] <philipballew> pleia2, Did the guy from San Diego ever email you again? I emailed him two days ago about his macbook and he has not responded.
[17:47] <philipballew> Maybe I'll email him personally, as I just responded to the list.
[17:49] <pleia2> philipballew: he's not subscribed to the list, so you do want to include him on the Cc
[17:49] <philipballew> pleia2, alright, I see.
[17:49] <pleia2> (sorry, didn't realize he wasn't included on your mail until now)
[17:49] <philipballew> pleia2, I'll just email him personally I guess maybe.
[17:50]  * pleia2 nods
[17:50] <philipballew> I usually have no problem fixing a touchpad, but it is a macbook, so it might be a struggle...
[17:51] <pleia2> I know there are linux tools for the old PPC macs to handle touchpads, but honestly I've never used a mac from this decade with linux
[17:53] <philipballew> Me either, i would sell it and buy a old dell or something if I was him.
[17:53] <philipballew> Craigslist if filled with them here.
[17:53] <pleia2> a lot of people really like mac hardware
[17:54] <pleia2> I never quite got the fascination myself, but it is what it is :)
[17:54] <philipballew> pleia2, yeah, I mean it is nice hardware I guess. It seems that if you are not using osx, then the point of a mac does not seem worth it as much.
[17:55] <pleia2> I dunno, most mac folks go on about how awesome applecare is, I've never had to get my laptops repaired in the first 4 years, why would you want a laptop that needs such a thing?
[17:55] <pleia2> doesn't seem so great to me
[17:56] <pleia2> oh, and my laptops have always been horrible cheap things, until recently
[17:56] <philipballew> The only time I had to get a laptop fixed was when I crashed on my bike and Dell came right out three days later and installed a new screen.
[17:56] <philipballew> With apple you have to go to the apple store
[17:57] <philipballew> but they do have good customer care for sure
[17:57] <philipballew> Macs are more durable though than some other brands
[18:23] <blitz> pleia2 I think you've just been a statistical outlier then
[18:25] <pleia2> when philip mentioned durability I did realize that in spite of traveling so much, I'm quite gentle with my hardware, so maybe that's it :)