[05:45] hi captine ambo_ gremble Squirm nuvolari octoquad and others [05:46] oh my and inetpro as well too [05:58] Hello Kilos [06:00] www.voidlinux.eu :o [06:00] That looks pretty cool [06:07] what gui will it use or is everything cli based? [06:28] oh hi omo Kilos [06:28] er [06:28] *oom [06:28] oh hi gremble [06:29] lol [06:35] lo [06:36] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:44] morning Kilos, gremble, nuvolari, ThatGraemeGuy [06:45] hi superfly [06:45] rev telkom [06:46] they seem to give better service to mobile peeps [06:46] hi fly === Symmetri1 is now known as Symmetria [07:02] Kilos: it can use whatever gui you would like it to use [07:02] It is initially installed with no GUI though [07:03] ah [07:07] ya'll needs SASL authentication [07:07] and the same to you [07:07] peeps always vloek me [07:07] sigh [07:08] I authenticate with SASl [07:08] SASL* [07:08] SASL? [07:08] hehe [07:08] Maaz: google sasl [07:08] ThatGraemeGuy: "Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) - Wikipedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer :: "SASL: Simple Authentication and Security Layer - Andrew Systems ..." http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/ :: "Connecting with SASL - Freenode" https://freenode.net/sasl/ :: "RFC 4422 - Simple Authentication and Security [07:08] Layer (SASL)" https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4422 :: "Postfix SASL Howto" http://www.postfix.… [07:08] tada! [07:09] you think i got my email addy for a joke [07:09] ty ThatGraemeGuy [07:10] when i first started with internet use, the lady that helped me suggested it, because i knew so little [07:11] That's not very nice of her [07:11] ya but so true [07:11] i was totally doff [07:12] good mornings [07:12] but i could fix her bmws auto gearbox [07:12] hello my pro [07:13] so the 2days work on the car payed for the months teaching on xp [07:13] oh and hi Kilos as well :-) [07:14] lo pro [07:14] hehe so cheeky [07:16] inetpro if i have no reply from the namibia ubuntu team within a week will you germanise the mail for us? [07:17] uh, why? [07:17] i looked at the zim ubuntu peeps but their emails are even dead [07:18] well they maybe like you and dont understand english [07:18] * Kilos ducks [07:18] Actually, I think Afrikaans is more widely spread in Namibia than English [07:20] i didnt think of that. ill wait and see then try again [07:21] maybe i should join their group first [07:21] but now back to whatsapp on fone [07:21] grrr [07:22] i even have the user guide hehe [07:25] hi Xethron [07:36] hmm... i woke up [07:36] xperia will never find the playstore without a gmail account [07:37] i turned it off because i dont need mails here and on fone grrr [07:42] You can turn of emails [07:42] off* [07:42] great ill look for thaat ty gremble [08:00] good morinng [08:00] *morning [08:00] Maaz: coffee on [08:00] * Maaz washes some mugs [08:03] hi c ha [08:03] ai! [08:03] charl too [08:04] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:14] Maaz: danke [08:14] Bitteschön [08:14] Morning everyone [08:14] hi mazal [08:17] hi mazal, Kilos [09:35] i turned it off because i dont need mails here and on fone grrr [09:35] You can turn of emails [09:35] o_O [09:35] this is probably the third time you've gone down this road [09:36] settings/accounts/google account/uncheck gmail [09:36] ty [09:39] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:39] 'lo :) [09:39] The road less travelled has to be travelled over and over and over and over and ... [09:40] for sure [10:03] Hello [10:04] Happy New year bros !! [10:07] You're only almost a month late [10:07] Well done [10:07] :P [10:07] hi arnaudmez same for you ty [10:07] hi Kilos [10:07] hi gremble [10:08] you not supposed to be away so long [10:08] French countries celebrate it until they get tired and i'm living in a french country [10:08] you supposed to be here daily [10:08] So i will keep it until i get bored of this HNY thing [10:09] ok maybe you are the guy i need [10:09] where are you again? [10:10] im trying to get as amny countries in africa linked so we can grow the ubuntu community in africa [10:10] as many [10:11] I'm in Congo Brazzaville [10:11] That's interresting Kilos [10:11] Explain the topo [10:11] thats just what i want [10:12] well if you look at the ubuntu map. africa is sadly behind other continents [10:12] link ? [10:12] eish now ive lost that link [10:13] im looking [10:13] Maaz google ubuntu map [10:13] Kilos: "Maps — Ubuntu Apps Directory" https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/maps/ :: "Ubuntu - OpenStreetMap Wiki" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu :: "Open Street Map Installation Tutorial (Ubuntu 12.04) - SlideShare" http://www.slideshare.net/MarcHuang1/osm-installation-en :: "osm-gps-map package : Ubuntu - Launchpad" [10:13] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/osm-gps-map :: "GMapCatcher, An Offline Google and OpenStreet ... - Ubuntu Vibes" h… [10:13] ai! [10:15] gremble can you see last nights link to slexy.org from me please [10:15] konversation grays out old stuff [10:16] http://slexy.org/view/s2uqc4PO0Q [10:16] Thanks Kilos [10:16] having a look just now [10:16] This one? [10:16] lemme see ty [10:17] arnaudmez http://people.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil/ubuntumembers-map.html [10:17] okay I see better now [10:18] Kilos: what do we need to do for this to get fixed [10:18] arnaudmez that slexy link is what i want to send to all the ubuntu groups all over [10:18] at least for the Congo my country [10:18] let me see [10:18] i need to know if there is an ubuntu community there [10:19] who are the admin guys and their contact info or you can be the contact if you like [10:19] maybe even build an official Loco there [10:20] put me as a contact please [10:20] principal Admin and contact [10:21] right can you mail me all your info to msdomdonner@gmail.com [10:22] and also help me find other ubuntu contacts in surrounding countries [10:23] Symmetria you can help too [10:25] ai they got worse net than we do [10:27] Kilos: who ? [10:27] arnaudmez_ who what? [10:27] im lost [10:27] lol [10:28] Kilos: email me atn arnaud.mezenga@syn73.com with details you want me to fill in and I will proceed right now [10:28] cool ty [10:31] actually arnaudmez greate a wiki page for yourself as well [10:31] create [10:32] okay, wiki page ... please direct me ... what will be the best wiki site to use ? [10:32] sec [10:33] here is mine [10:33] Good morning to you, I am from South Africa and we were discussing linking up the various African countries the other night. [10:33] We use irc > freenode > #ubuntu-za and mailing list ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com to stay in contact, and grow ubuntu in this manner. We have 2 members on the ubuntu-dev team and another python programmer who has a package in the repos. On our irc channel we are also available for online help to any linux users anywhere. We have members on other linux distributions as well, such as, archlinux, redhat and some others. We also have members in the [10:33] Netherlands Belguim the UK and other countries. please feel free to join us and maybe have a contact person on our irc channel. If you look at this map you will see Africa is sadly lagging behind. [10:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil/ubuntumembers-map.html [10:33] Lets get together and grow Ubuntu Africa. [10:33] Hoping to hear from you soon. [10:33] Miles Sharpe [10:33] Kilos on IRC [10:33] ai [10:33] sorry guys [10:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos#preview [10:33] got mixed up with left and right clicks [10:34] you need a launchpad account [10:36] https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount [10:44] hmm... [10:45] lauchpad account you said [10:45] will proceed this evening with that [10:45] but first I've replied to you [10:45] yip you need that to create a wiki page [10:45] cool [10:45] and i will keep those links [10:46] than you [10:46] thank you too [10:46] whew typing getting worse [10:46] no problemo [10:49] im trying to get contact info for somaunn as well so if you know him chase him here please [10:50] oh sorry arnaudmez did you need help with something? [10:50] Somaunn+arnaudmez=the same person [10:51] oh my goodness thats lekker [10:53] get all your ubuntu peeps to get launchpad accounts [10:53] actually all your linux users is good too [10:56] Kan die dag nie maar klaarkom nie [10:56] hahaha [10:56] Erger as 'n Maandag vandag [10:57] dit begin nou eers interesant word man [10:57] Ek begin nou daai gaaivol punt bereik [10:58] ai! [10:58] drink koffie [10:58] Maaz coffee on [10:58] * Maaz washes some mugs [10:58] Virusse en id10t's heel dag lank [10:59] Maaz with rusks [10:59] There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard Kilos help yourself [10:59] you have to educate you internet users better [10:59] En stupid Win [10:59] ty Kilos [11:00] cool arnaudmez [11:02] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [11:02] mazal: what I did, install VMware > Put windows there [11:03] Maaz ty [11:03] You are welcome Kilos [11:03] My PC runs Fed21 full time [11:03] I can't arnaudmez [11:03] mazal: why [11:03] Is not a personal choice , it's forced unto us as it's the work's OS of choice [11:03] So we are stuck with the junk [11:04] mazal: One thing i've learned for years now!!! Never put your life into work stuffs (laptops, phones, etc.) [11:04] there is always a choice to make [11:04] Unfortunately this one is not ours to make [11:05] ask them for you to use you laptop (personal) just setup a VM there ... [11:05] No you don't understand , is not just me , we are managing a network of over 300 pc's [11:05] tell them, they will save money doing that and if they want you will provide them with that full system image the day you the fight against them .... :D [11:05] We are the maintainers , hence why we are the once stuck with all the issues [11:05] arnaudmez they have many pcs to maintain , and all of them have to be on win [11:06] ah im slow again [11:06] Kilos, mazal: that's an electronic nightmare [11:06] yeah [11:06] Indeed [11:07] you also cannot tell a government what to do, they have to learn the hard way [11:07] And then once everything falls apart they blame someone else [11:07] Seker oom Jan se skuld [11:08] lol [11:08] Dis hy wat al die virusse saam hom hier aangebring het !! [11:09] But on a non-work related matter. Virtual OS is something I must still learn someday [11:10] I don't need it , but just for my own knowledge. Have never tried a virtual OS inside another one [11:13] its actuallt quite lekker [11:13] actually [11:13] just slower [11:13] mazal: this is for you https://www.virtualbox.org/ [11:13] mazal: this one too www.vmware.com [11:14] there is a faster one than virtualbox [11:14] I'm working as a support team member and i'm doing config of POS's throught my Vmachine and it's working just like a dream [11:19] I'll ask you again one day when I get the time to learn it :) [11:21] hehe [11:21] i need to ask for what it is called as well [11:31] faster VM manager than vbox ? [11:31] yeah [11:32] inetpro is using it and ThatGraemeGuy i think [11:32] eh [11:32] the fast virtual machine ThatGraemeGuy [11:33] uuuuuuhhhhh [11:33] * ThatGraemeGuy confused [11:33] should be http://virt-manager.org/ if i'm not wrong ... someone to correct me [11:34] oh for kvm stuffs [11:34] faster than virtualbox [11:34] we use proxmox [11:34] ya thats it [11:34] but virt-manager is probably the same deal [11:34] they are all just tools for managing VMs based on KVM [11:35] ty [11:35] proxmox ??? never eared about [11:35] KVM is what does the real work and thats the same whether you are using proxmox, virt-manager, virsh or any of a few dozen others [11:36] https://www.proxmox.com/proxmox-ve [11:41] i hear good things of ovirt [11:41] i have never been a big fan of proxmox [11:42] okay guys i got it [11:42] proxmox is a paravirt solution [11:42] virtualbox isn't bad for desktop virtualisation though even though it's not entirely open source [11:42] i honestly haven't used a significant variety of the KVM management tools to have any sort of meaningful opinion [11:42] vmware is faster but vmware is entirely proprietary [11:42] it's actually depends on what you want to achieve [11:43] virtualbox is the default vagrant provider as well but there is a vagrant kvm provider too [11:43] charl: http://virt-manager.org/ is also a good thing it's integrate directly with KVM and do the Job [11:44] every person passing the RHCSA or RHCE cursus need to understand KVM by the use of virt-manager [11:44] problem is most images on the vagrant cloud are only "compiled" for virtualbox [11:44] arnaudmez: i know of it, i have used it back in 07/08 [11:44] one of the first versions of that i believe, can't recall [11:45] it was the first kvm gui tool afaik [11:46] i run here a combination of virtualbox and vmware but not happy with either [11:46] but those are the best supported so if you want to get things done without too much hassle ... [11:46] on the server i would definitely go for either xen source or for kvm [11:48] yeah, i understand that [11:48] that why i said "peoples who are passing RH cursus..." [11:49] ganeti used to be really cool [11:49] I'm now using vmware only and find it even better, still I need to understand their internal network principle [11:49] not sure if anyone still use that [11:50] vmware networking ... heh heh heh [11:50] i try to just run everything in bridge mode [11:50] maaz koffie on [11:50] mazal: Huh? [11:50] maaz kettle on [11:50] mazal: Excuse me? [11:50] Ag nee man [11:50] coffee on mazal [11:50] Ah [11:51] maaz koffie [11:51] Vra in engels man mazal [11:51] maaz coffee on [11:51] * Maaz puts the kettle on [11:51] yay !!!! [11:51] give Maaz a kick in the bottom bucket [11:51] Hi charl [11:51] Maaz: coffee please [11:51] charl: Righto [11:51] hi mazal :) [11:51] Shees I am struggling to keep my eyes open [11:51] All of sudden the moeg attacks me [11:52] nono it's friday [11:52] first it's beer o clock and then it's sleep time later [11:53] Dunno what's going on these days , have zero energy :P [11:54] maaz hurry up dude [11:54] mazal: *blink* [11:55] Coffee's ready for mazal and charl! [11:55] maaz dankie tog [11:55] mazal: Sorry... [11:56] maaz we are going to have to work on our communication [11:56] mazal: I already know stuff about we [11:56] oh boy [11:56] lol [11:58] Maaz: danke [11:58] Bitteschön [11:59] Maaz is all like "ich verstehe dein denglish nicht" [12:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUua8CcWLdg [12:01] My speakers don't work :( [12:02] Well , they work , but so soft I can't here anything really [12:13] bah [12:27] hi Private_User [12:34] hi Kilos [12:35] hmm... [12:35] Kilos: no longer part of ##ubuntu-za-social? [12:35] oh my [12:35] i forgot to add it when i had to install again [12:39] lol [12:39] so it turns out there are a couple of things that i don't understand [12:39] yeah we always forget the minor stuff after a reinstall [12:39] firstly, the obvious thing to do with a new version of *buntu is to try it in virtualbox [12:39] downloaded kubuntu vivid, open it in virtualbox, it's a display mess [12:40] downloaded lubuntu vivid, open it in virtualbox, display is also a mess [12:40] these are the small things that mean you either make it or you don't [12:40] no wonder so few people run ubuntu on a desktop [12:40] linux mint, on the other side, works perfectly (of course) [12:41] why, because mint is not made by The Evil Linux Enpire (TM) [12:43] I'm off. Have a nice weekend everyone. Be safe and God bless [12:43] you too lad [12:43] behave [12:43] oi [12:45] lubuntu and kubuntu both fail but guess what... kylin works perfectly [12:45] debian ftw [12:46] * ThatGraemeGuy hides [12:46] indeed ThatGraemeGuy [12:46] apparently we should just sell ourselves over to the chinese because we are now unable to produce quality products in the west [12:46] charl: not bad at least something worx [12:47] the default wallpaper choice is also much better in kylin [12:47] someone can advise here ? i'm looking for a screen recorder software [12:47] arnaudmez: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/ [12:48] ty ThatGraemeGuy [12:48] it is also useless to run unity inside vmware due to the graphical effects [12:48] np [12:49] you would think somebody would have been intelligent enough to detect the lack of gpu and simply turn all that crap off automatically [12:49] ah will you look at that, ubuntu vivid gnome 3 works perfectly [12:49] its' open source, get coding [12:50] there we go, gnome 3 ftw [12:50] forget about unity and kubuntu [12:50] and lubuntu for that matter [12:50] ThatGraemeGuy: i have never worked on a linux desktop in my life [12:50] programmed i mean [12:51] then why are you cluttering up our channel with your ranting if you aren't willing to be part of the solution? :) [12:51] rofl [12:52] lol [12:52] ThatGraemeGuy: because i am playing the average user, and the average user is not a programmer :) [12:52] so that's a very simple answer [12:52] if you are going to tell the average user "go fix the problem yourself" you will very fast have no users left [12:54] statistically the average user is probably using windows 7 actually [12:54] and utterly unaware of everything you ranted about [12:55] well then it's time to change that... [12:55] but change starts by getting the basics right [12:55] yes yes [12:55] i should rephrase "the average linux user" not the average user, valid point though [12:55] you do realise you are not the first one to go down this road? :) [12:55] true, true [12:56] but you see, my point is basically this: i have friends/colleagues/other people i know [12:56] they (mostly) use windows [12:56] in my mind one of the greatest challenges in the world of open source is the ease with which people go off to reinvent the wheel [12:56] i'm the *only* real linux desktop user in the office [12:56] i tell them to go try it, this is their experience, and they move back to windows [12:56] there was a time you used KDE or GNOME, or a light window manager like (flux|open)box, or whatnot [12:56] the fragmentation is getting worse, not better [12:57] very true that [12:57] for example people ask me "which desktop should i try" and i honestly don't know what to answer [12:58] ai! [12:58] some people like unity, some people like gnome, some people like kde, some people like mate, cinnamon, lxde, xfce, i3, enlightenment etc etc [12:58] so what do you end up recommending *shrug* [12:58] point them to a lts thats stable already [13:04] new peeps should never go to a new release unless they know where to go for help [13:07] also true Kilos === help is now known as Guest7907 [13:32] hi Guest7907 [13:32] wassup mage [13:32] hi Kilos it is magespawn [13:32] whats broken [13:32] nickserv is telling magespawn is already in use [13:32] hold a sec [13:33] brb [13:34] wb magespawn [13:34] ty [13:34] not sure what happened ther [13:34] there [13:34] lol [13:35] help is actually a good nick for noobs with probs === arnaudmez is now known as arnaudmez_ [14:07] camstudio=crap > recordmydesktop=good [14:09] hi magespawn [14:11] hi charl [15:12] hmm... [15:14] early storm decided my pc needs a rest [16:09] hi Tonberry_ [16:09] hi [16:42] good evening [16:44]