[03:01] <mikodo> Is it 22:00 UTC yet?  :)
[03:02] <Unit193> It's 22:00 EST...
[03:02] <mikodo> oops, Jan 23/15
[03:03] <Unit193> Heh, if you're looking for th meeting, yes that's not today.
[03:03] <mikodo> Unit193, No I was just being dumb
[03:05] <mikodo> I've IT coming in to the house from my IP, at the meeting time. I hope I can still be here as it happens, if not, it wil be the logs again for me.
[03:05] <Unit193> Ouch, that'd make it pretty hard to be online.
[03:06] <mikodo> we'll see ...
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> knome, ping
[12:14] <knome> slickymasterWork, pong
[12:15] <slickymasterWork> knome, regarding the new chapter -> "Key stores and password managers. It is worth having a good password for those services, since they allow you to avoid typing many other passwords!"
[12:16] <knome> yes?
[12:16] <slickymasterWork> I think it should be Keystores, not Key stores
[12:16] <knome> mmh, i think both are just as fine
[12:16] <slickymasterWork> they're two distinct concpets
[12:16] <knome> it's a store with keys, so, a key store
[12:16] <slickymasterWork> you do?
[12:16] <knome> yeah... i don't see much different
[12:17] <knome> *difference
[12:17] <knome> maybe check with a native english speaker
[12:17] <slickymasterWork> elfy ^^
[12:17] <Unit193> Keystores implies it's the specific name to something, key store is a place to store keys.
[12:18] <slickymasterWork> that's my reading also Unit193 
[12:18] <knome> do we need a specific name there?
[12:19] <Unit193> No.
[12:19] <knome> yeah
[12:19] <Unit193> You want a descriptive term.
[12:20] <slickymasterWork> my reasoning is that people tend to associate the later (key stores) to a physical object and the former (keystores) to software
[12:20] <knome> i think you might be overthinking
[12:20] <slickymasterWork> but if you guys think I'm complicating things, I'll leave it to rest
[12:20] <slickymasterWork> ok :P
[12:20] <knome> it will be obvious for the reader what it is about
[12:20] <knome> there's a lot of context for it anyway
[12:21] <slickymasterWork> oki doke
[12:21] <knome> if they insist on understanding wrong... then they probably will find other things to nag about if we change this ;)
[12:26] <Unit193> But the good English person to ping wouldn't be on yet.
[12:27] <slickymasterWork> who might that good person be Unit193?
[12:28] <elfy> that'd be ali1234 
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[12:33] <Unit193> I'd have said the website lead.
[12:35] <knome> i'm the website lead
[12:35] <knome> so maybe you mean the marketing lead
[12:36] <Unit193> Thought you might be, mail and all..  Yeah, that's it.
[19:51] <pleia2> meeting in just under 10 minutes
[19:53] <elfy> forgot about that one - I'll be dashing off asap today :)
[19:55] <slickymaster> yeah, I'm not sure also if I'll be able to make it through the entire meeting
[19:55] <pleia2> I suspect it won't be that long
[19:55] <slickymaster> it's my mother birthday, today
[19:55] <pleia2> ah yes, you had mentioned that
[19:55] <slickymaster> :)
[19:56] <slickymaster> 74, it's quite a beautiful age
[19:56] <pleia2> :D
[19:57] <slickymaster> we'llhave to be in the restaurant in about an hour. I'm just waiting for my brother
[20:00] <pleia2> alright, let's get this rolling
[20:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 23 20:00:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:00] <pleia2> who all is here? :)
[20:00] <slickymaster> o/
[20:00] <elfy> I is I is
[20:00] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[20:00] <pleia2> #done pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways
[20:00] <pleia2> and published!
[20:00] <pleia2> #done pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo
[20:01] <pleia2> #done knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content
[20:01] <pleia2> #done pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org
[20:01] <elfy> busy bee
[20:01] <pleia2> that's everything from last meeting
[20:01] <pleia2> #topic Team updates
[20:02] <elfy> #info QA nothing much to report 
[20:02] <pleia2> #info Published stickers+QA blog post and shared around social media: http://xubuntu.org/news/help-the-community-with-testing-and-win-xubuntu-stickers/
[20:02] <slickymaster> #done sidi to rewrite the security guide in the documentation
[20:02] <pleia2> elfy: tsk
[20:02] <slickymaster> sorry pleia2 for being late
[20:02] <pleia2> #info QA did a bunch of work with Ubuntu QA to clean up general QA documentation on the wiki
[20:02] <pleia2> :)
[20:02] <elfy> well ... 
[20:03] <elfy> that'll be going on for ages :)
[20:03] <pleia2> slickymaster: done or action?
[20:03]  * pleia2 hasn't kept up
[20:03] <slickymaster> #info the done pleia2 
[20:03] <slickymaster> bah
[20:03] <pleia2> haha
[20:03] <slickymaster> you caught in the middle of something
[20:03] <elfy> #undo 
[20:04] <pleia2> #undo
[20:04] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[20:04] <elfy> cept pleia2 keeps chair to herself - greedy like
[20:04] <pleia2> #chair elfy 
[20:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy pleia2
[20:04] <elfy> lol
[20:04] <slickymaster> #info the Keeping your computer safe chpater of the documentation has been completely rewritten
[20:04] <pleia2> elfy: that's what you get!
[20:04] <slickymaster> thanks for that sidi 
[20:04] <pleia2> awesome
[20:04] <elfy> got to dash now ... 
[20:05] <slickymaster> hf elfy 
[20:05] <elfy> jk :)
[20:05] <pleia2> any other updates?
[20:06] <slickymaster> nothing from me
[20:06] <elfy> not here
[20:06] <pleia2> alright, worth talking about games and office applications at this meeting?
[20:07] <elfy> not really - but then again 
[20:07] <pleia2> might bump to next meeting if the interested parties aren't around
[20:07] <elfy> if the next one or next or next doesn't have people we just as well not talk about anything ever ;)
[20:07] <pleia2> well, they have to come to a meeting eventually :)
[20:07] <slickymaster> we won't be taking any decisions, just the three of us, so I think it would be better to postpone it to the next one
[20:08] <elfy> yea - but then others will be missing instead
[20:08] <elfy> I'd rather just motion to take them to the mailing list tbh
[20:08] <slickymaster> well, faiw I'm +1 on dropping the games
[20:08] <pleia2> #topic Remove games from default install
[20:08] <pleia2> I have no opinion here
[20:09] <slickymaster> +1 from me on dropping them
[20:09] <pleia2> elfy: seems reasonable to rm from meeting agenda and take it to the list
[20:09] <pleia2> who wants to do that?
[20:09] <elfy> I brought it up - but wasn't actually completely serious about that, but would +1 that
[20:09] <elfy> I can
[20:09] <pleia2> #action elfy to mail list about removing games from default install
[20:09] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to mail list about removing games from default install
[20:09] <pleia2> thank you :)
[20:09] <elfy> ta 
[20:09] <slickymaster> I was elfy, when you firts mentioned it elfy 
[20:09] <pleia2> #topic Start long-term discussion regarding current office applications
[20:09] <slickymaster> * first
[20:09] <pleia2> suppose we should start somewhere :)
[20:09] <elfy> this was me again :D
[20:10] <pleia2> I love libreoffice
[20:10] <elfy> given what abiword is doing currently ... 
[20:10] <pleia2> social media tells me that lots of people install it
[20:10] <elfy> really think we should just bite this bullet 
[20:10] <pleia2> what is abiword doing?
[20:10] <elfy> but again - needs to go to mailing list - and probably needs a bit more discussion than games is likely to get
[20:11] <elfy> not working properly unless you happen to have the mouse in the right place the first time
[20:11] <elfy> that's just crazy 
[20:11] <pleia2> ugh
[20:11] <elfy> bug 1395323
[20:11] <pleia2> that would be funny if it wasn't awful
[20:11] <elfy> comment #8 If AbiWord launches in an unmaximized window and the mouse pointer is located outside of that window, the bug behavior happens.
[20:12] <pleia2> x_x
[20:12] <elfy> otherwise you can spacebar to open a new one :)
[20:12] <elfy> I managed about 50 before I got bored
[20:12] <elfy> can someone mail list about that one then :)
[20:12] <pleia2> I suppose I can
[20:13] <elfy> or slickymaster :)
[20:13] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to mail list to kick off discussion about default office applications
[20:13] <slickymaster> what?
[20:13] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to mail list to kick off discussion about default office applications
[20:13] <pleia2> I just need to send one email, the rest of you can fight about it ;)
[20:13] <elfy> heh
[20:13] <slickymaster> sorry guys, my brother just arrived and I have to go
[20:13] <elfy> have a good evening slickymaster :)
[20:13] <pleia2> slickymaster: have fun!
[20:13] <slickymaster> thanks
[20:13] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow
[20:14] <pleia2> elfy: ok, since you and I already know about Community Q&A thing, I really will skip that one
[20:14] <elfy> yep :)
[20:14] <pleia2> #topic Finalise User identifies as poll option
[20:14] <pleia2> #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as
[20:14] <elfy> and we both know about this too :D
[20:14] <pleia2> well, ftr at a meeting, I'm fine with your proposal at the end of the pad as is
[20:15] <elfy> I'll mail the list - then lets wrap that up by next meeting - then get that gone 
[20:15] <pleia2> ok
[20:15] <elfy> #action Elfy to mail list re user poll
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: Elfy to mail list re user poll
[20:15] <pleia2> #topic Discussion
[20:16] <pleia2> anything else?
[20:16]  * elfy looks behind him ... 
[20:16] <elfy> nope
[20:16] <pleia2> ok great, let's see who gets to do the next meeting...
[20:16] <elfy> guess who ...
[20:16] <pleia2> elfy!
[20:16] <elfy> #action Elfy to setup next meeting
[20:16] <meetingology> ACTION: Elfy to setup next meeting
[20:16] <pleia2> #action elfy to schedule next meeting
[20:16] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to schedule next meeting
[20:16] <pleia2> #undo
[20:16] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:17] <elfy> ha ha 
[20:17] <pleia2> I was so excited
[20:17] <pleia2> hehe
[20:17] <pleia2> alright, thanks elfy 
[20:17] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[20:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jan 23 20:17:14 2015 UTC.  
[20:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-23-20.00.moin.txt
[20:17] <elfy> okey doke - thanks pleia2 :)
[20:17]  * pleia2 does wiki things
[20:17] <elfy> have a good weekend 
[20:17] <elfy> pleia2: one more for you - do you want something on a pad or? for usb options to burn with? 
[20:18] <pleia2> hm?
[20:19] <elfy> bluesabre: if you're about over the weekend - I'm happy to schedule the next one at a time to suit you - but it'll need to be a Friday
[20:19] <elfy> pleia2: for your global jam thingy - though I would be trying to be about at some point of it in here
[20:20] <pleia2> do you mean a pad describing the options, or for us to report issues, or..?
[20:20] <elfy> options so you know what works :)
[20:21] <pleia2> that would be good
[20:21] <elfy> ok - well I'll keep a watch on the relevant bug as well - but there will be something for you to reference if necessary :)
[20:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:22] <elfy> welcome of course :)
[20:22] <elfy> well I have to run now 
[20:22] <pleia2> neat, nicknames according to meetbot are case sensisive
[20:23] <pleia2> Elfy != elfy
[20:23] <elfy> oh ... 
[20:23] <elfy> not needing to schedule then - it's in the minutes \o/ 
[20:24] <pleia2> lol
[20:27] <elfy> ok - well I'm off now - about over the weekend :)
[20:27] <elfy> have a good one if I don't see you 
[20:41] <brainwash> bluesabre: I am not sure if you follow the xfpm lp report, so please read http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-January/027255.html
[20:59] <knome> ooops.
[20:59] <knome> well wasn't a chance
[21:00] <Unit193> Missed the meeting too. \o/
[21:00] <Unit193> :P
[21:01] <Unit193> knome: So the answer is, run xfpm as root, yes.
[21:02] <knome> to what question?
[22:33] <bluesabre> meeting missed
[22:33] <bluesabre> :(
[22:35] <Unit193> ^
[22:35]  * Unit193 puts on the cone of shame.
[22:38] <bluesabre> elfy: it'd have to be before 1300 or after 2200 UTC
[22:40] <Unit193> (http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/07/23/1248402537-cone-1.jpg that would be that, btw.)
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:42] <knome> to be fair, most of us missed the meeting today
[22:42] <bluesabre> cones of shame for us all
[22:42] <knome> peanuts for me