| electricprism | anyone using ubuntu phone on verizon here | 06:00 |
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| electricprism | well i guess thats probably irellevent due to SIM | 06:00 |
| electricprism | are there any reccomended videos that outline what the process is for installing ubuntu outside vmware | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | !devices | electricprism | 06:14 |
| ubot5 | electricprism: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 06:14 |
| electricprism | @lotuspsychje: Looks like my Galaxy Nexus is depreciated, well thanks for the link anyways | 06:16 |
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| D0k|2 | Hi all! | 14:11 |
| D0k|2 | what about porting note2? | 14:12 |
| popey | D0k|2: the porting guide is being re-written and will be available soon. | 14:14 |
| D0k|2 | popey: that will be full guide? | 14:15 |
| popey | I haven't seen it yet | 14:15 |
| popey | but I believe so. | 14:15 |
| popey | I would expect some expertise needed to do it though | 14:16 |
| D0k|2 | popey: new gide already on ubuntu site | 14:20 |
| D0k|2 | guide* | 14:20 |
| D0k|2 | trying to install ubuntu on note 2, but stopped on preparing desktop stage. Can anybody help me? | 14:27 |
| popey | D0k|2: where is this guide? | 14:29 |
| D0k|2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DeprecatedPorting | 14:35 |
| D0k|2 | popey: there being some changes | 14:36 |
| ogra_ | that even points to an unused android git tree | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | we stopped supporting cyanogenmod a while ago | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | (about a year ago i think) | 14:38 |
| D0k|2 | great news!!!! when I download git 15 Gb( | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | well, there is a reason this thing is called *deprecated* porting guide :) | 14:40 |
| D0k|2 | ogra_: then, what loader using ubuntu? | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | the phablet tree we use today is plain AOSP | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | and based on 4.4 | 14:41 |
| D0k|2 | ogra_: how bild it? detalized guide how to install? | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | no | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | thats the issue :) we dont have a recent porting guide | 14:47 |
| ogra_ | but the old one was so wrong that it was moved to deprecated at least | 14:47 |
| ogra_ | probably you can find some info on the xda forums | 14:47 |
| ogra_ | i think there is a community team that wants to work on a new guide ... but i'm not sure whom you need to contact for that | 14:48 |
| D0k|2 | but that was great way to develop on cyanogen, and then develop to custom loader. I expect that one | 14:54 |
| D0k|2 | probably android will newer be open. | 14:58 |
| D0k|2 | never* | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | mandel, any luck on that error signal from udm? | 15:06 |
| sergiusens | popey: who's rewriting the porting guide? | 15:20 |
| sergiusens | I'll be with rsalveti during the days of the global jam, maybe I can convince him to do 2 person jam to get it straighened up | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, getting the AOSP bits documented would be massively helpful people still use ancient CM trees with the totally broken quantal rootfses on xda ... | 15:26 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: why quantal? | 15:31 |
| sergiusens | I wish I knew more of what was going on in xda, but I find it difficult to use forums | 15:32 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, the old guide pointed to the quantal files | 15:39 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: ah, that is indeed bad | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | and there was never anything newer | 15:40 |
| D0k|2 | if it still based on android? then what ubuntu do??? walpapers and custom shell???(( | 15:43 |
| popey | sergiusens: david calle | 15:47 |
| popey | sergiusens: the plan (As I understand it) is to have it done before the jam. | 15:47 |
| popey | D0k|2: it's not "based on android" in the way you think. | 15:48 |
| popey | D0k|2: the Ubuntu phone doesn't ship with dalvik or any of the java classes which make android "Android". | 15:48 |
| popey | sergiusens: I understood David Calle was going to source info from you guys to build the guide. But I don't know. | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | D0k|2, it uses the android drivers to access the hardware ... all the rest is ubuntu | 15:52 |
| D0k|2 | popey: hey? it better be when you say it earlier. | 15:53 |
| ogra_ | to make the drivers work you need to run a certain minimal amount of android around them ... we do that inside an lxc container ... it gets access to graphics HW, sensors, gps and gsm modem | 15:53 |
| ogra_ | imagine it like a minimal device firmware to initialize the hardware ... | 15:54 |
| D0k|2 | I know about drivers. first time I tryed to install bubuntu on my phone, that was crashed boot. It was about closed drivers/ | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | this is what the android bit is for | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | the driver binaries need to be in the device tarball that you build from the android tree | 15:57 |
| D0k|2 | Anybody develop free drivers on it? | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | you cant ... | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | free drivers are an illusion on today's mobile devices if you want to be remotely competitive.. | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | well, you by reverse engineering messages that go in and out of th driver and guess what the driver does | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | s/you/you can/ | 15:59 |
| D0k|2 | that was i talk) | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | but thats trial and error and guessing ... which means that you will likely fry quite an amount of devices to find the right knobs | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | so it is not only immensely time consuming, but also very expensive ... and frustrating ... and in the end a matter of luck | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | (teh other option would be that the HW vendor publishes the HW details ... but they do not do that) | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | it is like the million monkeys that can write a novel if you give them infinite time ... | 16:02 |
| D0k|2 | I can overvrite it by simulate dev's on board's | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | how do you mean ? | 16:04 |
| D0k|2 | or making it on real dev by emulating reqest's to dev. I STILL NEED INSTALLED CLEAR UBUNTU ON NOTE2. | 16:05 |
| D0k|2 | or something *nix | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | what would these emulated bits do ? to make the hardware work you still need the binary driver and only android has these | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | there exists no phone OS today that works without android drivers, firefoxOS and sailfishOS use them too ... | 16:08 |
| D0k|2 | little monkeys will banry write the novel) | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu is the only of them that bans them into an lxc container though | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | so they taint the original ubuntu install to much | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | *so they dont | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | if you had a device with fully open drivers you could run the ubuntu rootfs without the lxc container on it ... | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | but such hardware does not exist | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | (in the phone world) | 16:09 |
| popey | barely exists in the PC world. | 16:10 |
| popey | even that librem fully free software laptop has a bit of binary in the firmware | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | well, looking at that opensource laptop thing on kickstarter shows that s/barely// | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | *snap* | 16:10 |
| popey | :) | 16:10 |
| pmcgowan | popey, whats in the new clock app? | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | two pointers :) | 16:11 |
| nik90 | pmcgowan: http://pad.ubuntu.com/kY99vztlmS | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | one is larger than the other | 16:11 |
| nik90 | pmcgowan: couple of bug fixes.. that's about it | 16:11 |
| popey | dammit, beat me to it :) | 16:12 |
| nik90 | popey: sry, clock is a proprietary word belonging to me :P | 16:12 |
| popey | haha | 16:12 |
| popey | yeah, you hilight on clock, i hilight on marmite | 16:12 |
| popey | each to their own. | 16:12 |
| nik90 | hehe | 16:12 |
| pmcgowan | thanks nik90 | 16:12 |
| nik90 | yw | 16:13 |
| popey | pmcgowan: given jibel +1'ed it I mailed dpm asking to upload to the store. | 16:13 |
| popey | (but don't know when that will happen). | 16:13 |
| pmcgowan | popey, very good | 16:13 |
| nik90 | popey: how do you name the pad like http://pad.ubuntu.com/WeatherRebootTasks ? | 16:15 |
| popey | you visit the page with that url, it asks you if you want to make the page | 16:15 |
| popey | e.g. visit http://pad.ubuntu.com/PopeyIsAwesome and you'll be promted to make the pad | 16:15 |
| popey | surprisingly that pad doesn't already exist. | 16:15 |
| popey | unfathomable. | 16:15 |
| nik90 | ah..I will try that next time | 16:15 |
| nik90 | not anymore..it exists | 16:16 |
| popey | \o/ | 16:16 |
| popey | Praise Thor! | 16:16 |
| popey | nik90: what version of ubuntu you running to get that nice automagic schroot update thing you posted? | 16:21 |
| nik90 | popey: 14.04 | 16:21 |
| popey | ! | 16:21 |
| popey | I'm on 14.10 and I don't get that. | 16:21 |
| davmor2 | marmite see if it's true | 16:22 |
| popey | shush you | 16:22 |
| nik90 | hmm, I have qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu 3.1.1+15.04.20150123-0ubuntu1~0trusty2 installed | 16:22 |
| popey | Installed: 3.1.1+14.10.20141020-0ubuntu1 | 16:22 |
| nik90 | popey: the update came yesterday nite | 16:22 |
| popey | wonder if 14.04 and 15.04 are supported only | 16:22 |
| popey | that would suck a bit. | 16:22 |
| nik90 | do you have ubuntu-sdk ppa? | 16:23 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: from the description here would you say if I hit skip in the wifi setup page that the wifi is not setup? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1363400 if so test fails :( but on a plus side it does wait till it has connected now :) | 16:24 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1363400 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[wizard] allows to "Continue" without connecting to network" [High,In progress] | 16:24 |
| popey | nik90: ah, looks like it was commented out by an upgrade. Good spot | 16:24 |
| nik90 | popey: ah, nice | 16:24 |
| popey | thanks! | 16:24 |
| nik90 | yw | 16:24 |
| popey | given I upgraded to utopic some time ago, I'm expecting quite a bit of change :) | 16:25 |
| popey | wheee, lots of new stuff.... | 16:25 |
| nik90 | :) | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | davmor2, did not follow you, if you hit skip it would not set up the wifi, unless you asked it to connect but didnt wait for the continue | 16:26 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: so if I click on my ap add my password but hit skip before the continue button appears should it not setup the wifi, that was how I read it in the bug description | 16:28 |
| pmcgowan | davmor2, did you hit connect in the pssword prompt | 16:31 |
| pmcgowan | if so then its too late and its just a race to get the button changed | 16:32 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: okay that's all I needed to know then, thanks | 16:32 |
| pmcgowan | davmor2, ok | 16:32 |
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