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electricprismanyone using ubuntu phone on verizon here06:00
electricprismwell i guess thats probably irellevent due to SIM06:00
electricprismare there any reccomended videos that outline what the process is for installing ubuntu outside vmware06:04
lotuspsychje!devices | electricprism06:14
ubot5electricprism: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices06:14
electricprism@lotuspsychje: Looks like my Galaxy Nexus is depreciated, well thanks for the link anyways06:16
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D0k|2Hi all!14:11
D0k|2what about porting note2?14:12
popeyD0k|2: the porting guide is being re-written and will be available soon.14:14
D0k|2popey: that will be full guide?14:15
popeyI haven't seen it yet14:15
popeybut I believe so.14:15
popeyI would expect some expertise needed to do it though14:16
D0k|2popey: new gide already on ubuntu site14:20
D0k|2guide*14:20
D0k|2trying to install ubuntu on note 2, but stopped on preparing desktop stage. Can anybody help me?14:27
popeyD0k|2: where is this guide?14:29
D0k|2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DeprecatedPorting14:35
D0k|2popey: there being some changes14:36
ogra_that even points to an unused android git tree14:38
ogra_we stopped supporting cyanogenmod a while ago14:38
ogra_(about a year ago i think)14:38
D0k|2great news!!!! when I download git 15 Gb(14:39
ogra_well, there is a reason this thing is called *deprecated* porting guide :)14:40
D0k|2ogra_: then, what loader using ubuntu?14:40
ogra_the phablet tree we use today is plain AOSP14:40
ogra_and based on 4.414:41
D0k|2ogra_: how bild it? detalized guide how to install?14:46
ogra_no14:46
ogra_thats the issue :) we dont have a recent porting guide14:47
ogra_but the old one was so wrong that it was moved to deprecated at least14:47
ogra_probably you can find some info on the xda forums14:47
ogra_i think there is a community team that wants to work on a new guide ... but i'm not sure whom you need to contact for that14:48
D0k|2but that was great way to develop on cyanogen, and then develop to custom loader. I expect that one14:54
D0k|2probably android will newer be open.14:58
D0k|2never*15:05
kenvandinemandel, any luck on that error signal from udm?15:06
sergiusenspopey: who's rewriting the porting guide?15:20
sergiusensI'll be with rsalveti during the days of the global jam, maybe I can convince him to do 2 person jam to get it straighened up15:21
ogra_sergiusens, getting the AOSP bits documented would be massively helpful people still use ancient CM trees with the totally broken quantal rootfses on xda ...15:26
sergiusensogra_: why quantal?15:31
sergiusensI wish I knew more of what was going on in xda, but I find it difficult to use forums15:32
ogra_sergiusens, the old guide pointed to the quantal files15:39
sergiusensogra_: ah, that is indeed bad15:40
ogra_and there was never anything newer15:40
D0k|2if it still based on android? then what ubuntu do??? walpapers and custom shell???((15:43
popeysergiusens: david calle15:47
popeysergiusens: the plan (As I understand it) is to have it done before the jam.15:47
popeyD0k|2: it's not "based on android" in the way you think.15:48
popeyD0k|2: the Ubuntu phone doesn't ship with dalvik or any of the java classes which make android "Android".15:48
popeysergiusens: I understood David Calle was going to source info from you guys to build the guide. But I don't know.15:49
ogra_D0k|2, it uses the android drivers to access the hardware ... all the rest is ubuntu15:52
D0k|2popey: hey? it better be when you say it earlier.15:53
ogra_to make the drivers work you need to run a certain minimal amount of android around them ... we do that inside an lxc container ... it gets access to graphics HW, sensors, gps and gsm modem15:53
ogra_imagine it like a minimal device firmware to initialize the hardware ...15:54
D0k|2I know about drivers. first time I tryed to install bubuntu on my phone, that was crashed boot. It was about closed drivers/15:56
ogra_this is what the android bit is for15:56
ogra_the driver binaries need to be in the device tarball that you build from the android tree15:57
D0k|2Anybody develop free drivers on it?15:58
ogra_you cant ...15:58
Stskeepsfree drivers are an illusion on today's mobile devices if you want to be remotely competitive..15:58
ogra_well, you by reverse engineering messages that go in and out of th driver and guess what the driver does15:59
ogra_s/you/you can/15:59
D0k|2that was i talk)15:59
ogra_but thats trial and error and guessing ... which means that you will likely fry quite an amount of devices to find the right knobs16:00
ogra_so it is not only immensely time consuming, but also very expensive ... and frustrating ... and in the end a matter of luck16:00
ogra_(teh other option would be that the HW vendor publishes the HW details ... but they do not do that)16:01
ogra_it is like the million monkeys that can write a novel if you give them infinite time ...16:02
D0k|2I can overvrite it by simulate dev's on board's16:03
ogra_how do you mean ?16:04
D0k|2or making it on real dev by emulating reqest's to dev. I STILL NEED INSTALLED CLEAR UBUNTU ON NOTE2.16:05
D0k|2or something *nix16:06
ogra_what would these emulated bits do ? to make the hardware work you still need the binary driver and only android has these16:07
ogra_there exists no phone OS today that works without android drivers, firefoxOS and sailfishOS use them too ...16:08
D0k|2little monkeys will banry write the novel)16:08
ogra_ubuntu is the only of them that bans them into an lxc container though16:08
ogra_so they taint the original ubuntu install to much16:08
ogra_*so they dont16:09
ogra_if you had a device with fully open drivers you could run the ubuntu rootfs without the lxc container on it ...16:09
ogra_but such hardware does not exist16:09
ogra_(in the phone world)16:09
popeybarely exists in the PC world.16:10
popeyeven that librem fully free software laptop has a bit of binary in the firmware16:10
ogra_well, looking at that opensource laptop thing on kickstarter shows that s/barely//16:10
ogra_heh16:10
ogra_*snap*16:10
popey:)16:10
pmcgowanpopey, whats in the new clock app?16:11
ogra_two pointers :)16:11
nik90pmcgowan: http://pad.ubuntu.com/kY99vztlmS16:11
ogra_one is larger than the other16:11
nik90pmcgowan: couple of bug fixes.. that's about it16:11
popeydammit, beat me to it :)16:12
nik90popey: sry, clock is a proprietary word belonging to me :P16:12
popeyhaha16:12
popeyyeah, you hilight on clock, i hilight on marmite16:12
popeyeach to their own.16:12
nik90hehe16:12
pmcgowanthanks nik9016:12
nik90yw16:13
popeypmcgowan: given jibel +1'ed it I mailed dpm asking to upload to the store.16:13
popey(but don't know when that will happen).16:13
pmcgowanpopey, very good16:13
nik90popey: how do you name the pad like http://pad.ubuntu.com/WeatherRebootTasks ?16:15
popeyyou visit the page with that url, it asks you if you want to make the page16:15
popeye.g. visit http://pad.ubuntu.com/PopeyIsAwesome and you'll be promted to make the pad16:15
popeysurprisingly that pad doesn't already exist.16:15
popeyunfathomable.16:15
nik90ah..I will try that next time16:15
nik90not anymore..it exists16:16
popey\o/16:16
popeyPraise Thor!16:16
popeynik90: what version of ubuntu you running to get that nice automagic schroot update thing you posted?16:21
nik90popey: 14.0416:21
popey!16:21
popeyI'm on 14.10 and I don't get that.16:21
davmor2marmite see if it's true16:22
popeyshush you16:22
nik90hmm, I have qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu 3.1.1+15.04.20150123-0ubuntu1~0trusty2 installed16:22
popey  Installed: 3.1.1+14.10.20141020-0ubuntu116:22
nik90popey: the update came yesterday nite16:22
popeywonder if 14.04 and 15.04 are supported only16:22
popeythat would suck a bit.16:22
nik90do you have ubuntu-sdk ppa?16:23
davmor2pmcgowan: from the description here would you say if I hit skip in the wifi setup page that the wifi is not setup?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1363400  if so test fails :(  but on a plus side it does wait till it has connected now :)16:24
ubot5Launchpad bug 1363400 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[wizard] allows to "Continue" without connecting to network" [High,In progress]16:24
popeynik90: ah, looks like it was commented out by an upgrade. Good spot16:24
nik90popey: ah, nice16:24
popeythanks!16:24
nik90yw16:24
popeygiven I upgraded to utopic some time ago, I'm expecting quite a bit of change :)16:25
popeywheee, lots of new stuff....16:25
nik90:)16:25
pmcgowandavmor2, did not follow you, if you hit skip it would not set up the wifi, unless you asked it to connect but didnt wait for the continue16:26
davmor2pmcgowan: so if I click on my ap add my password but hit skip before the continue button appears should it not setup the wifi,  that was how I read it in the bug description16:28
pmcgowandavmor2, did you hit connect in the pssword prompt16:31
pmcgowanif so then its too late and its just a race to get the button changed16:32
davmor2pmcgowan: okay that's all I needed to know then, thanks16:32
pmcgowandavmor2, ok16:32
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Majmunhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_ChWx1zn022:52

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