[06:00] <electricprism> anyone using ubuntu phone on verizon here
[06:00] <electricprism> well i guess thats probably irellevent due to SIM
[06:04] <electricprism> are there any reccomended videos that outline what the process is for installing ubuntu outside vmware
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !devices | electricprism
[06:16] <electricprism> @lotuspsychje: Looks like my Galaxy Nexus is depreciated, well thanks for the link anyways
[14:11] <D0k|2> Hi all!
[14:12] <D0k|2> what about porting note2?
[14:14] <popey> D0k|2: the porting guide is being re-written and will be available soon.
[14:15] <D0k|2> popey: that will be full guide?
[14:15] <popey> I haven't seen it yet
[14:15] <popey> but I believe so.
[14:16] <popey> I would expect some expertise needed to do it though
[14:20] <D0k|2> popey: new gide already on ubuntu site
[14:20] <D0k|2> guide*
[14:27] <D0k|2> trying to install ubuntu on note 2, but stopped on preparing desktop stage. Can anybody help me?
[14:29] <popey> D0k|2: where is this guide?
[14:35] <D0k|2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DeprecatedPorting
[14:36] <D0k|2> popey: there being some changes
[14:38] <ogra_> that even points to an unused android git tree
[14:38] <ogra_> we stopped supporting cyanogenmod a while ago
[14:38] <ogra_> (about a year ago i think)
[14:39] <D0k|2> great news!!!! when I download git 15 Gb(
[14:40] <ogra_> well, there is a reason this thing is called *deprecated* porting guide :)
[14:40] <D0k|2> ogra_: then, what loader using ubuntu?
[14:40] <ogra_> the phablet tree we use today is plain AOSP
[14:41] <ogra_> and based on 4.4
[14:46] <D0k|2> ogra_: how bild it? detalized guide how to install?
[14:46] <ogra_> no
[14:47] <ogra_> thats the issue :) we dont have a recent porting guide
[14:47] <ogra_> but the old one was so wrong that it was moved to deprecated at least
[14:47] <ogra_> probably you can find some info on the xda forums
[14:48] <ogra_> i think there is a community team that wants to work on a new guide ... but i'm not sure whom you need to contact for that
[14:54] <D0k|2> but that was great way to develop on cyanogen, and then develop to custom loader. I expect that one
[14:58] <D0k|2> probably android will newer be open.
[15:05] <D0k|2> never*
[15:06] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck on that error signal from udm?
[15:20] <sergiusens> popey: who's rewriting the porting guide?
[15:21] <sergiusens> I'll be with rsalveti during the days of the global jam, maybe I can convince him to do 2 person jam to get it straighened up
[15:26] <ogra_> sergiusens, getting the AOSP bits documented would be massively helpful people still use ancient CM trees with the totally broken quantal rootfses on xda ...
[15:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: why quantal?
[15:32] <sergiusens> I wish I knew more of what was going on in xda, but I find it difficult to use forums
[15:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, the old guide pointed to the quantal files
[15:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: ah, that is indeed bad
[15:40] <ogra_> and there was never anything newer
[15:43] <D0k|2> if it still based on android? then what ubuntu do??? walpapers and custom shell???((
[15:47] <popey> sergiusens: david calle
[15:47] <popey> sergiusens: the plan (As I understand it) is to have it done before the jam.
[15:48] <popey> D0k|2: it's not "based on android" in the way you think.
[15:48] <popey> D0k|2: the Ubuntu phone doesn't ship with dalvik or any of the java classes which make android "Android".
[15:49] <popey> sergiusens: I understood David Calle was going to source info from you guys to build the guide. But I don't know.
[15:52] <ogra_> D0k|2, it uses the android drivers to access the hardware ... all the rest is ubuntu
[15:53] <D0k|2> popey: hey? it better be when you say it earlier.
[15:53] <ogra_> to make the drivers work you need to run a certain minimal amount of android around them ... we do that inside an lxc container ... it gets access to graphics HW, sensors, gps and gsm modem
[15:54] <ogra_> imagine it like a minimal device firmware to initialize the hardware ...
[15:56] <D0k|2> I know about drivers. first time I tryed to install bubuntu on my phone, that was crashed boot. It was about closed drivers/
[15:56] <ogra_> this is what the android bit is for
[15:57] <ogra_> the driver binaries need to be in the device tarball that you build from the android tree
[15:58] <D0k|2> Anybody develop free drivers on it?
[15:58] <ogra_> you cant ...
[15:58] <Stskeeps> free drivers are an illusion on today's mobile devices if you want to be remotely competitive..
[15:59] <ogra_> well, you by reverse engineering messages that go in and out of th driver and guess what the driver does
[15:59] <ogra_> s/you/you can/
[15:59] <D0k|2> that was i talk)
[16:00] <ogra_> but thats trial and error and guessing ... which means that you will likely fry quite an amount of devices to find the right knobs
[16:00] <ogra_> so it is not only immensely time consuming, but also very expensive ... and frustrating ... and in the end a matter of luck
[16:01] <ogra_> (teh other option would be that the HW vendor publishes the HW details ... but they do not do that)
[16:02] <ogra_> it is like the million monkeys that can write a novel if you give them infinite time ...
[16:03] <D0k|2> I can overvrite it by simulate dev's on board's
[16:04] <ogra_> how do you mean ?
[16:05] <D0k|2> or making it on real dev by emulating reqest's to dev. I STILL NEED INSTALLED CLEAR UBUNTU ON NOTE2.
[16:06] <D0k|2> or something *nix
[16:07] <ogra_> what would these emulated bits do ? to make the hardware work you still need the binary driver and only android has these
[16:08] <ogra_> there exists no phone OS today that works without android drivers, firefoxOS and sailfishOS use them too ...
[16:08] <D0k|2> little monkeys will banry write the novel)
[16:08] <ogra_> ubuntu is the only of them that bans them into an lxc container though
[16:08] <ogra_> so they taint the original ubuntu install to much
[16:09] <ogra_> *so they dont
[16:09] <ogra_> if you had a device with fully open drivers you could run the ubuntu rootfs without the lxc container on it ...
[16:09] <ogra_> but such hardware does not exist
[16:09] <ogra_> (in the phone world)
[16:10] <popey> barely exists in the PC world.
[16:10] <popey> even that librem fully free software laptop has a bit of binary in the firmware
[16:10] <ogra_> well, looking at that opensource laptop thing on kickstarter shows that s/barely//
[16:10] <ogra_> heh
[16:10] <ogra_> *snap*
[16:10] <popey> :)
[16:11] <pmcgowan> popey, whats in the new clock app?
[16:11] <ogra_> two pointers :)
[16:11] <nik90> pmcgowan: http://pad.ubuntu.com/kY99vztlmS
[16:11] <ogra_> one is larger than the other
[16:11] <nik90> pmcgowan: couple of bug fixes.. that's about it
[16:12] <popey> dammit, beat me to it :)
[16:12] <nik90> popey: sry, clock is a proprietary word belonging to me :P
[16:12] <popey> haha
[16:12] <popey> yeah, you hilight on clock, i hilight on marmite
[16:12] <popey> each to their own.
[16:12] <nik90> hehe
[16:12] <pmcgowan> thanks nik90
[16:13] <nik90> yw
[16:13] <popey> pmcgowan: given jibel +1'ed it I mailed dpm asking to upload to the store.
[16:13] <popey> (but don't know when that will happen).
[16:13] <pmcgowan> popey, very good
[16:15] <nik90> popey: how do you name the pad like http://pad.ubuntu.com/WeatherRebootTasks ?
[16:15] <popey> you visit the page with that url, it asks you if you want to make the page
[16:15] <popey> e.g. visit http://pad.ubuntu.com/PopeyIsAwesome and you'll be promted to make the pad
[16:15] <popey> surprisingly that pad doesn't already exist.
[16:15] <popey> unfathomable.
[16:15] <nik90> ah..I will try that next time
[16:16] <nik90> not anymore..it exists
[16:16] <popey> \o/
[16:16] <popey> Praise Thor!
[16:21] <popey> nik90: what version of ubuntu you running to get that nice automagic schroot update thing you posted?
[16:21] <nik90> popey: 14.04
[16:21] <popey> !
[16:21] <popey> I'm on 14.10 and I don't get that.
[16:22] <davmor2> marmite see if it's true
[16:22] <popey> shush you
[16:22] <nik90> hmm, I have qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu 3.1.1+15.04.20150123-0ubuntu1~0trusty2 installed
[16:22] <popey>   Installed: 3.1.1+14.10.20141020-0ubuntu1
[16:22] <nik90> popey: the update came yesterday nite
[16:22] <popey> wonder if 14.04 and 15.04 are supported only
[16:22] <popey> that would suck a bit.
[16:23] <nik90> do you have ubuntu-sdk ppa?
[16:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: from the description here would you say if I hit skip in the wifi setup page that the wifi is not setup?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1363400  if so test fails :(  but on a plus side it does wait till it has connected now :)
[16:24] <popey> nik90: ah, looks like it was commented out by an upgrade. Good spot
[16:24] <nik90> popey: ah, nice
[16:24] <popey> thanks!
[16:24] <nik90> yw
[16:25] <popey> given I upgraded to utopic some time ago, I'm expecting quite a bit of change :)
[16:25] <popey> wheee, lots of new stuff....
[16:25] <nik90> :)
[16:26] <pmcgowan> davmor2, did not follow you, if you hit skip it would not set up the wifi, unless you asked it to connect but didnt wait for the continue
[16:28] <davmor2> pmcgowan: so if I click on my ap add my password but hit skip before the continue button appears should it not setup the wifi,  that was how I read it in the bug description
[16:31] <pmcgowan> davmor2, did you hit connect in the pssword prompt
[16:32] <pmcgowan> if so then its too late and its just a race to get the button changed
[16:32] <davmor2> pmcgowan: okay that's all I needed to know then, thanks
[16:32] <pmcgowan> davmor2, ok
[22:52] <Majmun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_ChWx1zn0