[17:18] <c74d3> Is Mir typically used with X and an X shim? Can it be used without those?
[17:19] <c74d3> (I know pretty much nothing about Mir, other than that it's an alternative to X and Wayland, and is apparently the only one of the three to offer release signatures or secure downloads.)
[17:36] <anpok> c74d3: there is Xmir
[17:39] <c74d3> Is Xmir required? I'd like to avoid X entirely.
[17:40] <anpok> Xmir is only needed to run X applications inside
[17:40] <anpok> gtk and qt have mir ports
[17:40] <anpok> so not for those
[17:40] <anpok> and sdl and glfw .. and many other libraires
[17:41] <anpok> as shell there is currently only unity8 in a useable state for tablet and phone form factors
[17:41] <c74d3> Oh, I didn't realize that those libraries could work directly with Mir. That sounds better than I expected.
[17:41] <anpok> a pc desktop with unity8 is currently being worked on
[17:42] <anpok> since mir is meant to provide window management bits, writing shells will be simple
[17:42] <anpok> it is not feature complete for what a desktop needs
[17:43] <anpok> but we are just adressing that, and with that we also add default implementations to the mir server library .. so writing your own shell will only require a few lines of code
[17:44] <anpok> http://youtu.be/MXHulRlq10s thats already old
[18:10] <c74d3> Thanks. What is a "shell" in this context? Is it like a window manager?
[18:15] <anpok> window manager and more
[18:15] <anpok> or depends on how those terms are defined ..
[18:17] <c74d3> I have used Unity (before Mir existed), but I know little about it and wouldn't know what was Unity and what was GTK/X/etc.
[18:18] <c74d3> I use X with i3 currently, so i3 is what I think of as a "window manager".
[18:18] <anpok> ah tiling ..
[18:19] <anpok> alan_g recently started a tiling window manager on mir
[18:19] <c74d3> I would recognize floating window managers too, though I don't use i3's floating mode.