=== tumbleweed_ is now known as tumbleweed === Symmetri1 is now known as Symmetria [05:11] good morning everyone [05:34] sigh [05:35] hi theblazehen why so quiet lately? [06:07] wb captine [06:27] hi Tonberry_ [06:28] hi [08:33] hi nlsthzn [08:34] uncle Kilos ... alo [08:37] wiki's updated... :) [08:44] oooh lemme see [08:46] * Kilos bows [08:46] ty nlsthzn lovely [08:47] nice to know peeps see me as more than a pest who always needs help [08:51] Morning [08:53] hi Squirm [08:53] pleasure uncle Kilos ... easy to write stuff when it is true [08:54] ai! [09:14] how can caltex tweet on our ubuntuza page if only the pro and i have the password grrr [09:14] and i had to change the password again because i couldnt get in [09:18] there are adverts injected into Twitter... [09:18] a way that they can make money >.< [09:37] Good morning [09:46] hi gremble [09:46] hows ya this fine morning [09:47] I am well thank you and yourself? [09:47] good also ty [10:05] gremble do you different groups in varsity mix ? [10:06] as in with the IT peeps and so on, or only if they are pretty females [10:15] I have some friends that do math, some that do BA and BSc. I work with the newspapaer. I don't have that many black or indian friends though :o [10:16] i just want python peeps [10:16] Oh, I don't know anyone that programs python [10:16] you forget we got a sick ibid [10:26] i wonder if i should approach the peeps on the python channel [10:27] Symmetria ping [11:13] bang i ask him to do some work [11:57] Kilos: why not learn yourself? [11:58] you should know bu now squirm learning stuff is hectic for mew [11:58] me too [11:58] You have time? [11:58] Should give it a bash :) [11:58] yes i have time but not ability to learn that kinda stuff [11:59] i tried byteofpython and vim [11:59] twice i think [11:59] tried learning html just the other day as well [11:59] I don't think you need vim [11:59] http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python.pdf [11:59] You could do pycharm instead [11:59] Kilos: don't use vim [11:59] gremble: gedit works well [11:59] byte of python tells you use vim [12:00] Ya don't use vim [12:00] Kilos: don'u use vim :P [12:00] oh [12:00] ya, I thought of gedit just after I sent the message [12:00] Anything with syntax highlighting [12:00] i only have kate and nao no gedit [12:00] nano [12:00] kate is also fine [12:00] probably good enough [12:01] nano and vim are cli editors, you don't need those [12:01] ya man but i cant remember [12:01] the only thing on the command line you really need to do is just run your application, `python myapp.py` [12:01] im sure byte of python said use vim in the course though [12:02] Kilos: maybe [12:02] They just being funny [12:02] probably [12:02] lol [12:02] I promise that it won't make a difference in the end [12:02] but anyway to mod ibid needs a python pro [12:02] I don't use vim for programming if I have access to GUI apps [12:02] Kilos: maybe [12:02] but you'll get ther :) [12:02] Haha I do :x [12:03] s/ther/there [12:03] tumbles said it a major task [12:03] gremble: haha. [12:03] I write everything in vim haha [12:03] * gremble goes to sit in the corner. [12:03] I'm being pushed to learn emacs [12:03] gremble: to each their own [12:03] Emacs is very nice [12:03] But I cbf to learn another editor [12:03] haha [12:03] I am not going to become programmer one day [12:03] it is, took me long enough to learn vim [12:04] yeah [12:04] and too much work atm Squirm [12:04] I use TextMate for my main programming on my Mac [12:04] Kilos: It's just for fun [12:04] I heard that textmate and xcode is very nice [12:04] eish [12:04] Imagine being able to say that you know how to program? [12:05] TextMate is very nice [12:05] i would love to be able to [12:05] Kilos: that's all you need ^^ [12:05] i spent 2 weeks learning html and all i remember is [12:05] Haha Squirm I try really hard to avoid saying that :P [12:06] Kilos: Remembering is a tiny bit of what it means to program [12:06] gremble: How so? [12:06] All of those things you can find in books [12:06] Squirm: because then people ask me to program things [12:06] oh right :P [12:06] ya man but if you dont remember you learn nothing [12:06] Kilos: I have to google things constantly [12:06] Kilos: It's a way of thinking [12:07] Problem solving [12:07] I have books in which I write down important pieces of code so that I don't have to remember them [12:07] i do as well i even googled stuff about moving python 2.7 to 3 [12:07] ^ that is the problem with ibid [12:07] I don't know python 3 [12:07] The libraries it was written with are mostly deprecated [12:07] all i noticed was some words left out of lines [12:09] but if tumbles says its major id be farting against thunder [12:19] afternoon superfly [12:22] but ive learned to edit wiki pages so there is an improvement [12:26] and i have to learn about strating locos so i can help new countries around us get going [12:26] starting [12:29] good afternoon [12:29] Maaz: coffee on [12:29] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [12:29] hi charl [12:29] brush up your python [12:30] we need ibid upgraded from 2.7 to 3 [12:30] hi Kilos [12:30] how are you this fine sunday [12:30] im ok ty and you? [12:31] charl brush up your python man [12:33] Coffee's ready for charl! [12:33] i'm good thanks [12:33] i know a lot of python Kilos i used to develop big systems in it [12:34] great [12:34] gremble you got the link for ibid source please [12:35] charl it needs to be made acceptable to python 3 to work on 14.04 and later [12:35] Kilos: why? i'm running 14.10 here with python 2.7.8 [12:36] try installing ibid [12:36] It is the libraries that go with ibid that are dead and deprecated [12:36] ibid is the software behind Maaz right ? [12:36] yip maaz [12:37] its in the repos [12:37] gremble: i take it the ibid software is not well maintained then [12:37] how many developers are actively maintaining it right now ? [12:37] none [12:37] It is not maintained at all charl [12:37] That is the problem [12:37] tumbles is too busy he was the main maintainer [12:37] well then the software is simply EOL unless somebody else wants to pick it up [12:37] there are many good python bots out there right now that are much better i'm sure [12:38] i personally use willie on some other irc channels [12:38] it's very good, i can vouch for it [12:38] thats why i asked you man [12:38] and it's also actively maintained [12:38] I tried to, but then got mashed by the problem [12:38] i could pick it up but i don't see any real reason to [12:38] my suggestion would be to migrate [12:38] we cant change our bot for another [12:38] we can add things like coffee etc very easily to another bot [12:38] Kilos: why ? [12:38] no man ibid is a must [12:39] why [12:39] um [12:39] :) [12:39] because [12:39] hehe [12:39] :D [12:39] we love ibid [12:39] ok i'll make you a deal [12:39] writen by our peeps [12:39] lets hear [12:39] i will jump in and help out, but first we move to a well maintained core, in other words, not ibid [12:39] something like willie or similar [12:39] we can investigate the options [12:40] then we migrate the missing functionality to willie [12:40] otherwise, i can pick up ibid, but then over 6 months i lost interest and then it's just unmaintained once again [12:40] for example [12:40] you gotta fight too many peeps to do that [12:40] That is a good plan that I could get behind [12:40] i will nag you daily [12:40] But it has to be python 3. It is been like 7 years now, we don't have to trudge in the past anymore [12:41] i'm not sure what the other ones run on but we can investigate that of course [12:41] Haha I don't even have python 2.7 on my system anymore [12:41] but i go by the principle that we need to stick to something that is used wider [12:41] Yes [12:41] because there are too many one-man projects out there [12:41] and like i said, right now i might have time, what about 6 months from now [12:41] and i also get busy with other things or whatever who knows [12:41] ibid has a channel on atrum [12:42] just make ibid python 3 friendly man [12:42] there will be more that will break over time Kilos [12:42] i have got energy to learn and teach a new boit [12:42] bot [12:42] an unmaintained piece of code is not something you want to keep runnin [12:43] well [12:43] Willie sounds quite cool actually [12:43] simply see ibid the same way as ubuntu 10.04 - almost EOL :) [12:43] it is Squirm i use it on other networks [12:43] maybe once the major hurdle is over the old maintaner will have time to keep things gooing [12:43] Kilos: Imagine your tracter's engine block has rusted. You could probably get it to go, but it will always break somewhere [12:43] It is better just to get a new engine [12:44] ai! [12:44] If we get Maaz a new engine, you won't even realise it is not an ibid anymore [12:45] ok lets hear what the fly and pro have to say about it [12:45] its not just coffee charl , maaz was written to do meetings minutes and all that stuff [12:46] Kilos: It's module could probably be adapted [12:46] you just dont want to learn python 3 [12:47] i have no idea how these things work Squirm [12:47] Learning python 3 is not equivalent to porting old software to python 3 [12:47] if we dont upgrade ibid well just have to keep him going on an old server [12:48] It would have to be mostly rewritten [12:48] ai! [12:49] yeah [12:50] when i contribute to open source projects i always try to plug into a broader community [12:50] firstly that means more people get the benefit out of your contributions [12:50] and secondly it's much more fun to work together on a project than on your own [12:50] Squirm QA is even missing off your server thing [12:50] and of course thirdly there is less change that the softwre will become unmaintained over time [12:51] well lets hear what pro and fly say [12:54] maybe some python peeps will write something that will do the job for us [12:54] Kilos: python peeps wrote willie [12:55] https://github.com/embolalia/willie/wiki [12:55] http://willie.dftba.net/ [13:00] sjoe [13:01] Do any of you know of a PDF reading application that allows you to make annotations and such on the document [13:01] Highlighting and note making and so forth [13:05] gremble: adobe does that [13:06] not sure on linux though [13:07] Okular is the only one that does that on linux [13:07] I'm installing it now [13:08] A lot of KDE dependencies.... [14:55] sjoe hot here now, no wind, hopefully building up somewhere for a good blow [15:02] Okular is pretty slick [15:02] Kilos: I have internet again [15:03] oh yay thats wonderful superfly [15:03] happy for you [15:04] charl gremble maybe we must put the willie ibid discussion in the agenda for tuesdays meeting [15:05] i just did a quick look at the willie site. would be better if they had a .deb [15:05] Kilos: this coming tuesday ? [15:06] yip 27th [15:06] dont you get reminders from g+ and lists [15:07] i think it will be a major job too to make willie same as maaz [15:07] lots of things it needs to be able to do [15:08] and it means i gotta start teaching from scratch [15:08] after years of training maaz [15:08] Maaz huh [15:08] Kilos: Huh? [15:08] Maaz shup [15:08] Shup yourself oh noisy one [15:14] hi Private_User [15:16] we gotta pip install it [15:18] ugh. anyone with huawei wireless router experience around? [15:18] the type that can take a SIM card [15:19] ai! [15:19] I had hoped to use an external antenna (outdoor) to improve the signal [15:19] it's using an SMA connector [15:19] but it doesn't sem to improver reception quality [15:19] Kilos: i don't use google+ and i don't belong to any mailing lists [15:19] *seem [15:19] you can buy them at radio shops nuvolari [15:20] then you put that in place of the connector on the external antenna [15:21] ok charl ill give another warning here tomorrow [15:21] Kilos: charl is basically living in the dark ages of social :P [15:21] oom kilos, I have an antenna [15:21] i got it in the mind now, no problem Kilos :D [15:21] Maaz announce Monthly meet tuesday night at 20.30 guys [15:21] Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meet tuesday night at 20.30 guys [15:21] nuvolari: just because i don't use g+ or mailing lists ? [15:22] :P [15:22] nuvolari has the antenna got the same connector as the router? [15:22] Kilos: yes [15:22] it's screwed in [15:22] so whats the prob then? [15:22] when I change the type from internal to external, it switches back to internal in the router software UI [15:23] you might need to set the router to use 3g not adsl [15:23] there is no ADSL involved [15:23] oh it can only do 3g [15:23] wow [15:23] nlsthzn: thanks for the testimonial :-) [15:24] Kilos: I have a DebConf meeting on Tuesday night as well. I'll be here for the first half of the meeting, and then I'll need to skidaddle [15:24] I'm not sure if it's an emission antenna, rather than a receiver (which is what I hoped it is) [15:25] ok superfly lets sort before hand what we discuss first then [15:25] nuvolari google the user manual or ud=ser guide for it [15:25] user [15:26] wow i dont know what happened there [15:31] superfly, my pleasure... all the best with the application!! [15:32] * superfly is about to take the plunge and put his name down for the 5th [15:32] can you put mine too superfly ? or is it an individual thing [15:32] Kilos: I can do [15:32] please do [15:32] ty [15:33] i wish pro was ready [15:33] inetpro make your page man [15:36] Kilos: gaan jy wakker wees om middernag? 22:00 UTC is midnight over here [15:37] ya superfly ek sal hier wees [15:37] cant miss that [15:37] i have to ping david and maia as well, they will try make the meet [15:38] hehe dunno where to ping them bu ya [15:38] but [15:40] 5th of february hey superfly ? [15:40] ja [15:40] oh my thats sommer now now [15:41] Next weekend I believe [15:41] \o/ [15:41] sjoe [15:41] iz working [15:41] * Kilos starts shaking [15:41] It's my birthday on the 26th of Feb. You guys better have a cake for me n stuff [15:41] are you ok oom Kilos? [15:41] working at midnight? [15:41] I'm BDaying tomorrow :D [15:41] ya ek bang die ding man' [15:42] congrats nuvolari in advance [15:42] it means more responsibility [15:43] and gremble [15:43] oh wait, that's in feb [15:43] sorry [15:43] whats BDaying [15:43] oh birthdaying [15:44] nuvolari when is bday? [15:48] Kilos: He said tomorrow [15:48] môre oom Kilos [15:48] :D [15:48] stokoud [15:48] * nuvolari het 'n kierie bestel [15:48] What, turning 24, 25? :P [15:48] by that standard I should be mummified [15:48] turing 28 [15:48] hahaha [15:48] Hahaha [15:49] ballyville here we come [15:49] then im what? [15:51] nuvolari jou lewe begin nou eers man [15:51] wb nlsthzn [15:52] :D [15:53] My family expects me to be happilly married with kids by then... I'm not even sure that I'll be done with studying then [15:53] haha [15:55] hehe [15:56] i got married at 25 [16:02] I got married at 27 [16:05] ya one must grow up with your kids i think [16:06] hi Kilos [16:06] and then you have a chance to see grandchildren [16:06] whats news Private_User [16:07] nothing much hey but how am I logging on now? Am I cloaked immediately or is it doing the same as Friday? [16:07] fine [16:07] cloaked [16:08] cool but I still think the connecting here where I am sitting now is not 100% [16:09] but I will check cause yesterday was extremely windy and so was Friday [16:09] are you far from where you normally were [16:09] like in the chicken house now [16:09] hehe [16:09] so now not so much so lets see although yesterday it was windy and connection was unstable here but when I went back to my usual spot in the house it was fine [16:10] lol [16:10] might be more trees between you and the tower where you are now [16:10] not far just a few steps and I can be backi in the house [16:10] lol [16:10] wow you okes keep chickens so close [16:10] or it could be that the main building is blocking [16:11] oh yes that could be [16:11] and 3g doesnt like buildings in the way [16:11] if it continues tomorrow then I will have to just go back and work inside the house [16:11] or even thick walls [16:12] just get a long extension usb cable [16:12] put your modem on the roof in a canned fruit bottle [16:13] maybe a bottle will get a bit hot in the sun [16:13] hmm... [16:13] oh there is a way [16:14] you get plastic pipe tpiece [16:14] yeah I was thinking that but no extension cable for usb [16:14] another way Kilos? [16:14] that will stop rain and allow air through to keep modem cool [16:15] ian bought a nice 5m extension the other day with built in booster [16:15] works kiff [16:16] but i think it was R99 [16:17] hmm... ok R99 not too bad with a signal booster you say? [16:18] yeah [16:18] added 1 bar to my signal here [16:18] then he took it sigh [16:19] lol [16:19] but mine must be close to full 5 bars, just hops between 4 and 5 [16:19] ok where did he buy it from? [16:20] cause I would prefer working from here since its quite [16:20] whew at a pc shop we took a chance and just walked into in town in pta, ill ask if he has the name [16:20] quiet [16:20] lol [16:20] yes and that as well [16:21] quiet [16:22] ok then I will just look around maybe I will something [16:22] *find something [16:22] for now lets see how it goes connection wise [16:22] have a good evening all [16:22] but if you just use a 5m extension it will reach top of roof anyway so signal should be good [16:22] hi char [16:23] oh bye [16:29] you know I am not understanding my signal says full signal and skype is connected, IRC is connected and even googletalk accounts but when I try a webpage its either extremely slow or web page cannot be display then when I ping request timed out and sometimes could not resolve host [16:29] every time you browse? [16:30] you think this 3G is still trying to find a path to the towers [16:30] lol [16:30] lol [16:30] most of the time in this spot [16:30] maybe you doing too much [16:30] at home when I moved the laptop back there everything worked 100% then when I brought it back then not so lekker again [16:31] must be signal [16:31] ian says that shops name is matrix [16:32] ah ok [16:32] thanks Kilos [16:32] yw [16:45] Private_User the booster is just a blob of some hidden stuff on the cable [16:46]