[02:38]  * ianorlin hopes the meeting anouncment wasn't forgotten
[02:39] <DonkeyHotei> it's not 7 yet and i'm still at berkeleylug so it's conceivable i may miss the meeting
[02:40] <DonkeyHotei> i will at least be very late to it
[02:41] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei ... there are worse places to be stuck.  It does at least have rather good food, and fairly reasonable prices, reasonable access to AC power, and quite good Wi-Fi.  I did a work from 'home' day there once, mostly there ... not all that bad (but noise, etc., can sometimes be rather distracting).
[02:41] <nhaines> I don't see any point in sending a meeting announcement via email 18 minutes before the regularly scheduled meeting, but feel free to do it!
[02:42] <nhaines> I'm going to have to set up Google Calender reminders or something for the future.
[02:42] <DonkeyHotei> the noise is literally making me sick by now
[02:43] <philipballew> what noise DonkeyHotei ?
[02:43] <MichaelPaoli> nhaines I believe it's also on: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles ... though there is also fair bit more on that (and I believe Lyz also has edit access on that calendar).
[02:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events]
[02:43] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: i already get those via berkeleylug's calendar
[02:45] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei It's actually SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events calendar - essentially supersedes and supeset of what was the BerkeleyLUG calendar ... though it's also viewable (embeded) on the BerkeleyLUG site.  The old BerkeleyLUG calendar still exists, but was updated quite a while ago to mostly just refer to the SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events calendar.
[02:46] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: well, now I have meeting reminders 4 days, 1 day, and 1 hour before.
[02:46] <MichaelPaoli> DonkeyHotei Yes, it can get *very* loud a Bobby G's ... particularly with sports goop on the big TV displays.  Good ear plugs can come in handy.
[02:47] <DonkeyHotei> people are watching tennis, football, and basketball atm
[02:48] <DonkeyHotei> !seen eps
[02:48] <Eureka> Factoid seen eps not found
[02:48] <darthrobot`> DonkeyHotei: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.
[02:48] <DonkeyHotei> ah well
[02:55] <nhaines> Okay, meeting in four minutes!
[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:00] <nhaines> Oh good, the wiki's down.
[03:01] <ianorlin> o/
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> i just saw it minutes ago
[03:01] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> there is one item on the agenda
[03:01] <darthrobot`> Meeting started Mon Jan 26 03:01:17 2015 UTC.  The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:01] <pleia2> o/
[03:01] <nhaines> #chair ianorlin elky_ nhaines
[03:01] <darthrobot`> Current chairs: elky_ ianorlin nhaines
[03:01] <nhaines> Hello everyone!  And welcome to the second Ubuntu California Meeting of 2015!
[03:02] <nhaines> The agenda for tonight's meeting is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January25
[03:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January25 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <nhaines> Before we begin, it's my sad duty to announce that one of our members, eps, passed away last week.
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> it's unclear when
[03:03] <nhaines> That he passed in his sleep will hopefully hold some small comfort to all of his friends, and it's obvious that he touched quite a few enthusiast communities, of which we were lucky enough to be one.
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> i had attempted to reach him by phone around the 5th-6th and he was already gone
[03:04] <nhaines> I've talked to the person organizing the memorial service and I'll be sure to post to the mailing list once details are available.
[03:05] <ianorlin> o/
[03:05] <pleia2> thanks nhaines
[03:05] <pleia2> it's quite a blow to our community, I'll miss him a lot
[03:06] <nhaines> It was mentioned that the memorial service has way more people intereted in attending than expected, so that's just one sign of how widely he was respected.
[03:06] <nhaines> #topic Ubuntu California website improvements
[03:07] <nhaines> First up on the agenda, pleia2 had some suggestions for our website.
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-01-25 05:42:31 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> no one can fill his shoes
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-01-25 05:46:54 PM PST] <pleia2> yeah, that's for sure
[03:07] <pleia2> right, so ian-weisser created this find-a-task tool for http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task/
[03:07] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Community | Find a Task]
[03:08] <pleia2> there's code up on github to make it work, but unfortunately that's not synced up to the community.ubuntu.com site, which sadly is manually updated through the wordpress interface
[03:08] <pleia2> so I'd proposed to possibly use the same one they do, but we can't
[03:09] <pleia2> we could use it to create one of our own though, with our own tasks, like suggesting people host an ubuntu hour or go to an event or sign up for our mailing list
[03:09] <nhaines> It's a pretty neat tool.  A user can use it to find areas of Ubuntu they might be interested in participating.
[03:09] <rww> o/
[03:09] <nhaines> I think it sounds like a great idea.
[03:09] <ianorlin> I like the idea of it
[03:09] <pleia2> just a thought, it's low maintenance and makes the site a bit more interesting
[03:10] <rww> Our cat escaped, we're a little late (we got him back, though he's whining now)
[03:10] <nhaines> rww: he once tasted freedom, and will never forget.
[03:10] <pleia2> hehe, cats
[03:10] <elky_> hi
[03:11] <nhaines> elky_: glad you and the bitey monster could make it.
[03:11] <elky_> he's been out before. he apparently got scared and sat out in the carpark confused as to what to do
[03:11] <pleia2> I don't have a lot of time in the next couple weeks (travel next weekend, Global Jam weekend after) so if someone else wants to toss up a more solid proposal for this with ideas please feel free
[03:11] <nhaines> Well, I don't see any reasons we shouldn't add the find-a-task tool to our website.
[03:11] <pleia2> otherwise I can get to it later in february
[03:11] <nhaines> pleia2: do we expect the community.ubuntu.com data to be added to github any time soon?
[03:11] <pleia2> https://github.com/ian-weisser/asknot
[03:11] <darthrobot`> Title: [ian-weisser/asknot · GitHub]
[03:11] <ianorlin> yeah this is nice but not exactly urgent
[03:11] <pleia2> nhaines: no, I had a ranty discussion about it earlier this week ;)
[03:12] <nhaines> Oh good!  :)  Please link me after the meeting if it's on a ML.  :)
[03:12] <pleia2> "they just maintain it through wordpress" "you can view the source code!"
[03:12] <nhaines> Ah, business as usual.
[03:12] <pleia2> yeah, it's an irc channel discussion, but I can dig it up later
[03:13] <nhaines> Great.  Maybe I can poke at people about it because it might be a good general tool for LoCos.
[03:13] <nhaines> Does anyone feel differently about adding this tool to our website?
[03:13] <elky_> it'll get better the more places it is used, so i don't have a problem with it
[03:13] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-January/000408.html has some info that should help folks add it to their own site
[03:13] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu community volunteer board [UPDATE 4]]
[03:14] <nhaines> Oh, that's super useful.  Perfect!
[03:14] <nhaines> Semi-related to this topic, does anyone know how the California forums are holding up?
[03:15] <elky_> on the ubuntu forums?
[03:15] <nhaines> Right.
[03:15] <elky_> no clue
[03:15] <pleia2> they're one of the few loco forums that still exist, mostly because we keep posting meeting minutes
[03:15] <rww> Mostly dead, pleia2 gets notified when there are updates, and meeting minutes still happen
[03:15] <pleia2> most loco forums were shut down, but ours was flagged as active
[03:15] <rww> (this came up recently)
[03:15] <nhaines> That's basically what I thought.
[03:15] <nhaines> pleia2: can you get traffic information for ubuntu-california.org?
[03:16] <elky_> sounds like us touching it is basically flogging a dead horse then
[03:16] <pleia2> nhaines: sure, action me to set up webalizer
[03:16] <DonkeyHotei> perhaps it was flagged as active _because_ of the minutes?
[03:16] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: yep
[03:17] <nhaines> #action pleia2 will set up webalizer and report on traffic numbers for ubuntu-california.org
[03:17] <darthrobot`> ACTION: pleia2 will set up webalizer and report on traffic numbers for ubuntu-california.org
[03:17] <nhaines> Thanks, pleia2.
[03:17] <pleia2> sure thing, should be able to get that done this week, pretty straight forward
[03:17] <nhaines> I'd like to consider closing the forums and maybe spinning up a Discourse instance we could point to through ubuntu-california.org.
[03:17] <DonkeyHotei> too bad we can't get traffic numbers for the launchpad pages
[03:17] <philipballew> +1 for Discourse
[03:17] <nhaines> The mailing list is just for advocacy, and should remain as such.
[03:18] <nhaines> But a Discourse forum could be for California Ubuntu users.
[03:18] <philipballew> The Facebook page is the best tool we have currently though.
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> well the ML also repeatedly gets people asking for help
[03:18] <philipballew> It is the best tool for marketing we have
[03:18] <nhaines> And that's a misuse of the mailing list.
[03:19] <nhaines> With Discorse, people who hate forums can subscribe in the form of a mailing list, and everyone else gets a really nice Web-2.0 dicussion platform.
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> it may be a misuse but it can't realistically be avoided
[03:19] <nhaines> So I think that's worth looking into.
[03:19] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: it can if we have a place for support requests.
[03:19] <pleia2> philipballew: I don't agree, most of our posts get single digit "views"
[03:19] <pleia2> facebook is one of our worst tools, twitter is much better, then probably G+ and our mailing list
[03:19] <ianorlin> Yeah I think mainly people just post minutes there not many read them
[03:20] <philipballew> pleia2, That is a valid point. Don't we have more subscribers there then twitter though?
[03:20] <philipballew> subscribers might be the wrong word here
[03:20] <nhaines> #action nhaines will email the mailing list about retiring the Ubuntu California forum and additionally considering a Discourse forum to replace it.
[03:20] <darthrobot`> ACTION: nhaines will email the mailing list about retiring the Ubuntu California forum and additionally considering a Discourse forum to replace it.
[03:20] <rww> subscribers doesn't matter if nobody reads it
[03:20] <pleia2> rww: ++
[03:20] <nhaines> rww: ++
[03:21] <ianorlin> rww++
[03:21] <philipballew> rww, Of course, but because we already have the subscribers we can easily get them to read it.
[03:21] <rww> I note that discourse is Ruby, so if we don't have any Ruby stuff set up on ubuntu-california.org yet you'd need to dive into that mess^W
[03:21] <nhaines> With the way Facebook works today, I'm not sure it'd be easy to improve that.
[03:21] <pleia2> unless you pay
[03:21] <pleia2> I'm always getting prompted to "boost" posts with $$$
[03:21] <elky_> rww: you could probably find somewhere offering ruby hosting for open source projects
[03:21] <nhaines> pleia2: yes, and that's a waste of money in my opinion.
[03:22] <pleia2> nhaines: agreed
[03:22] <pleia2> rww: I don't think nhaines was proposing we host our own discourse forum
[03:22] <rww> pleia2: okays. I misread, then
[03:22] <pleia2> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/local-teams
[03:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [Local Teams Topics - Ubuntu Discourse]
[03:22] <pleia2> they have a loco section
[03:22] <ianorlin> yes the pay for views is only good for facebook
[03:22] <nhaines> Well, first we decide if we want one.
[03:23] <elky_> i always hated the splintering of communities between fora
[03:23] <rww> Ah. I see Discourse's subforums are as discoverable as Ubuntu Forums.
[03:23] <philipballew> I think that its important to use our social media tools we have to market Ubuntu as much as we can. Not just try to cater towards the people who might be at this meeting or the people who care about Discourse.
[03:23] <nhaines> Discourse isn't social media.
[03:23] <pleia2> rww: yeah, you really have to be an existing user to understand it, but that's how it goes :)
[03:23] <pleia2> it's a way to reach discourse members, I'd say
[03:24] <rww> philipballew: That requires ongoing effort for each social medium, and traditionally some of them have not had that.
[03:24] <philipballew> Exactly, and shouldn't more time be put into spreading Ubuntu, and not just catering to people who already have their Ubuntu systems?
[03:24] <nhaines> If we think we could use a discussion forum, I would be willing to self host it, starting in probably April.
[03:24] <pleia2> right now, G+ is the only social media I get any help with (thanks rww)
[03:25] <rww> rww stopped doing G+ :P
[03:25] <pleia2> I'd be delighted if people came up with strategy and offered to help :)
[03:25] <pleia2> right, so I don't get any help right now
[03:25] <pleia2> :P
[03:25] <rww> Facebook has one post this month, three posts last month, nothing in November...
[03:25] <pleia2> yeah, I don't like facebook so I tend to do twitter and G+ and "oh facebook is loading slow I'll do it later"
[03:25] <pleia2> then, never
[03:26] <rww> Not saying we need to do better, saying we're perhaps spreading a bit thin. But I'm totally the wrong person to express an opinion about social networking.
[03:26] <elky_> how much of this stuff could be solved with a push service (posts to twitter, facebook, etc) and do these exist for g+ yet or are they still unable?
[03:26] <nhaines> Yeah, I don't use, like, or understand Facebook, so I'm thrilled if someone wants to take that on, but it's not going to be me.
[03:26]  * DonkeyHotei gets a thought that the most literal way to spread ubuntu is by introducing computer-less people to it
[03:26] <philipballew> I think if we posted more on the posts, showed cool news articles and all around marketing the community for potential people.
[03:26] <pleia2> elky_: I've tried several revisions of that (one stops working, hunt for another) but then I gave up
[03:26] <elky_> :(
[03:26] <rww> philipballew: who is "we" there
[03:27] <rww> elky_: G+ doesn't have a write API yet as far as I know
[03:27] <pleia2> G+ still lacks a useful API for such things, facebook pages or groups or whatever we have are horrible at x-posting to (it's easier for facebook user accounts)
[03:27] <elky_> rww: lol
[03:27] <philipballew> rww, If we need people to do social media, I am happy to post things to get people more involved or see.
[03:27] <nhaines> elky_: it's a design decision.
[03:27] <elky_> nhaines: it's still lol
[03:27] <philipballew> The Lug I am a part of has five or six posts a day and there are only about 50 or so of us on our Facebook page.
[03:28] <nhaines> elky_: yes, and annoying, but at least it's on purpose.  :)
[03:28] <philipballew> But we are a "group"
[03:28] <elky_> philipballew: is it actual topical stuff or a heap or re-shares of memes and other recycled material?
[03:29] <rww> Good, sounds like we need to get you added to social media accounts philipballew so that you can help out pleia2 and co with it.
[03:29] <elky_> i mean, is it original content or not?
[03:29] <philipballew> elky_, haha, I did not plan to post too many memes no.
[03:29] <elky_> philipballew: i'm asking about your 50 person group
[03:29] <ianorlin> I am not sure posting the same thing someone saw earlier will help that much
[03:29] <nhaines> philipballew: can you look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them so we can get people assigned to that?
[03:30] <philipballew> https://www.facebook.com/groups/gultij/10152965388721049/?ref=notif&notif_t=group_activity
[03:30] <darthrobot`> Title: [Redirecting...]
[03:30] <philipballew> thats the group I was talking about elky_
[03:30] <pleia2> on facebook ours is a page, we used to have a group too but it wasn't used so I think it was shut down (or just abandoned)
[03:30] <elky_> it wants me to log in to facebook, no thanks
[03:30] <rww> "You must log in to continue."
[03:30] <rww> lol facebook
[03:30] <elky_> can you answer my question yourself?
[03:30] <pleia2> nhaines: I think a proposal is a good idea
[03:30] <philipballew> nhaines, Yeah, I can do that, and probably by the next meeting easily come up with a paper on all to do.
[03:31] <pleia2> thanks philipballew!
[03:31] <nhaines> philipballew: that would be super.
[03:31] <nhaines> #action philipballew will look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them.
[03:31] <darthrobot`> ACTION: philipballew will look into how our social media groups are being used and come up with a plan to improve them.
[03:32]  * philipballew adds that to his tdl
[03:32] <nhaines> Okay.  So that's good news.  Thanks, philipballew.
[03:32] <nhaines> I guess I'll bring up Discourse on the mailing list, too.
[03:33] <rww> i guess we'll
[03:33]  * rww puts on sunglasses
[03:33] <rww> discourse about it there
[03:33] <nhaines> rww: should've been "discourse it there".  C+
[03:33] <nhaines> Does anyone else have any comments on our website or other online presence while we're on the topic?
[03:33] <rww> I can still read the website with JavaScript turned off so it is not Web 2.0 enough.
[03:34] <ianorlin> I don't have anything more on website
[03:34]  * DonkeyHotei gets a thought that the most literal way to spread ubuntu is by introducing computer-less people to it
[03:34] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: is that somehow related to our online services?
[03:34] <DonkeyHotei> it is to social media
[03:35] <elky_> is the rest of the discussion going to be SCaLE?
[03:35] <nhaines> elky_: mostly.
[03:35] <elky_> because we haven't eaten yet and dinner is half cooked :3
[03:35] <rww> can we do the non-SCaLE stuff first so we can stop paying attention :P
[03:35] <DonkeyHotei> scale wasn't actually on the agenda this time though
[03:35] <pleia2> the Ubuntu Global Jam in San Francisco is coming up in 2 weeks (earlier in the day from our next meting)
[03:35] <elky_> wasn't it?
[03:35] <elky_> i figured it would be
[03:35] <ianorlin> oops
[03:35] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/
[03:35] <nhaines> I think this is all the non-SCaLE stuff other than UGJ.  :P
[03:35] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:36] <pleia2> please RSVP, I think strangers are scared by the empty RSVP list
[03:36] <DonkeyHotei> doesn't mean nobody will show up
[03:36] <ianorlin> #topic ubuntu-global-jam
[03:36] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: it does mean that the event can't be planned appropriately.
[03:36] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: does make it hard to order enough food
[03:36]  * rww doubles the attendee list with elky's help
[03:37] <pleia2> thanks elky_ and rww :)
[03:37] <philipballew> Ubucon is going to be hella tight for sure
[03:37] <philipballew> just so you know
[03:37] <nhaines> I sent out emails to all North American LoCo teams last night regarding UGJ, so hopefully we start seeing more event popping up.
[03:37] <pleia2> nhaines: so did balloons
[03:37] <pleia2> 2 days ago
[03:38] <rww> which i got because lolidkwhy
[03:38] <pleia2> I was like "this looks familiar..."
[03:38] <rww> (probably loco-contacts@)
[03:38] <nhaines> pleia2: I hadn't heard from him and hadn't received anything so I went ahead and did it, so yay.
[03:38] <rww> if you didn't get it and i did, maybe his list is out of date
[03:38] <nhaines> So all NA LoCo teams are on notice.
[03:39] <pleia2> also, if anyone else in the state decides to do one: http://mhall119.com/2015/01/ubuntu-loco-team-global-jam-packs/
[03:39] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu LoCo Team Global Jam Packs | Michael Hall]
[03:39] <pleia2> I didn't request a pack, I have leftover pens + stickers from another event, and I had already put in a cash request to cover food (approved!)
[03:39] <nhaines> Canonical *really* wants LoCo teams to take advantage of that, so please do order *early* this week if you want one.  You don't even have to be an Ubuntu member for this.
[03:40] <nhaines> pleia2: I know your UGJ event will be successful, so I look forward to hearing about it so we can really push harder on that next cycle.  :)
[03:40]  * pleia2 will take many pictures!
[03:40] <nhaines> \o/
[03:41] <philipballew> nhaines, Me and the Ubuntu users here in San Diego are not programing wizards. What is the point for us to have a global jam then if we can not "jam " anything?
[03:41] <philipballew> or maybe pleia2 might know that answer?
[03:41] <elky_> you can report stuff without being a programmer
[03:41] <pleia2> we're doing manual testing, no programming remotely involved
[03:41] <elky_> you don't need to know how to program to know when a UI is confusing
[03:41] <nhaines> philipballew: I don't know anyone who programs during UGJ, usually it's bug triaging, Q&A testing, documentation jams... there are a lot of different ways to get together and work on Ubuntu.
[03:41] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam#Things_to_do
[03:41] <nhaines> Canonical's trying to convince teams to do Ubuntu App Dev schools...
[03:41] <darthrobot`> Title: [UbuntuGlobalJam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:42] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks, didn't have that at my fingertips.  :)
[03:42] <philipballew> nhaines, qa and bug triaging require a knowlege of code.
[03:42] <pleia2> we're doing it earlier this cycle, Documentation Team *always* needs help
[03:42] <pleia2> qa requires no knowledge of code
[03:42] <rww> philipballew: No they don't. But if you think they do, write documentation.
[03:42] <elky_> philipballew: no they don't
[03:42] <ianorlin> not always
[03:42] <nhaines> Bug triaging requires no knowledge of code.
[03:42] <philipballew> alright
[03:42] <elky_> philipballew: the last place i worked at, the project manager did bug triage
[03:42] <nhaines> Triaging starts with finding unverified bugs, reproducing them, and marking them "triaged" if they really exist, or invalid if you need more info.
[03:43] <elky_> ^
[03:43] <nhaines> SUPER easy, quick to do, and good low hanging fruit for new members.  Also SUPER useful for developers.
[03:43] <ianorlin> actually I think it is incomplete if need more info not invalid
[03:43] <ianorlin> invalid is when the bug doesn't exist
[03:43] <philipballew> ah, the last place I worked at bug triaging was attempting to fix the bugs.
[03:43] <nhaines> ianorlin: even better.
[03:43] <philipballew> Then I quit and got a job as a bus driver. It pays more.
[03:43] <pleia2> fixing is something else entirely :)
[03:43] <elky_> philipballew: your last place was misguided
[03:44] <pleia2> triage == stop bleeding until the surgeon can take a look
[03:44] <pleia2> anyone can apply pressure to the wound :)
[03:44] <nhaines> Okay, so now that we've established there's no excuse not to host a UGJ, everyone should think about doing so.  ;)
[03:44] <pleia2> and I might owe the world a blog post on this topic
[03:45] <pleia2> in my free time!
[03:45] <nhaines> pleia2: your blog posts are always jam-packed with information.  :)
[03:45] <pleia2> I try :)
[03:45] <philipballew> some locos do an online global jam, and if you can not host one in your area, that is always an option.
[03:45] <nhaines> #action pleia2 will write helpful things in her copious free time.
[03:45] <darthrobot`> ACTION: pleia2 will write helpful things in her copious free time.
[03:45] <pleia2> haha
[03:45] <elky_> lol
[03:45] <DonkeyHotei> …
[03:45] <elky_> ok what's left on the agenda?
[03:45] <nhaines> Okay, so lots of things to discuss on the list coming out of this meeting.  Let's move on.
[03:45] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:46] <nhaines> SCaLE's not listed, but it's coming up behind UGJ, and things are coming together nicely.
[03:46] <elky_> well ok i have an item
[03:46] <elky_> i have a 1" badge press
[03:46] <nhaines> Oh yeah.  Go for it, elky.
[03:46] <elky_> it is probably more useful elsewhere
[03:46] <elky_> where would be the best place?
[03:46] <rww> and she's been here 9 months and i've literally never seen it, so it's not like we'll miss it
[03:47] <elky_> he's seen the box. i'm pretty sure he's tripped over it.
[03:47] <elky_> rww: it's the one that's a4 size and breaks your toes
[03:47] <nhaines> Thus depriving everyone else in here of context for size.
[03:48] <ianorlin> what is a badge press?
[03:48] <rww> ianorlin: it makes badges
[03:48] <nhaines> Well, if no one's jumping at it, might be another good ML item.
[03:48] <elky_> ianorlin: it makes round buttons that have a pin on the back that you attach to things
[03:48] <nhaines> ianorlin: it crimps laminated lapel pins.
[03:48] <pleia2> cool
[03:48] <ianorlin> ah
[03:48] <elky_> http://www.ecplaza.net/trade-leads-seller/button-pin-press-machine-blank--4110187.html would be an example of a badge press
[03:48] <darthrobot`> Title: [Button Pin Press Machine, Blank Badge, Button Pin Set Manufacturer, Supplier & Exporter - ECPlaza]
[03:49] <rww> so you can make badges like "i have made significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu and all I got was this badge press"
[03:49] <philipballew> Can we get Mark Shuttleworth to work the booth nhaines ?
[03:49] <elky_> lolololol
[03:49] <rww> "and it cost me thousands of dollars in USCIS payments"
[03:49] <nhaines> philipballew: sure, I'll just call him up on the red line.
[03:49] <philipballew> Thats off nhaines, he gave me a green line?
[03:49] <nhaines> I think we have to use the aubergine line now.
[03:50] <nhaines> Okay, well, thanks muchly for the offer, and let's bring that to the mailing list I think.
[03:50] <philipballew> "Ubuntu  what can brown do for you"
[03:50] <pleia2> elky_: I have a tiiiiny home, but I'd be up for craft weekend of creating some team pins for things some day
[03:50] <DonkeyHotei> brown can deliver installation media
[03:50] <nhaines> pleia2: luckily they are tiny machines.  :)
[03:51] <elky_> pleia2: it's the kind of thing we could tack on to an installfest of sorts i think
[03:51] <rww> ubuntu global button jam
[03:51] <pleia2> elky_: even better
[03:51] <pleia2> hehe
[03:51] <philipballew> I installed ubuntu on this laptop off of my Fedora flash drive.
[03:51] <elky_> anyway we need to go do domestic things
[03:51] <pleia2> I wonder if gandi has a color printer we could use
[03:51] <pleia2> "I attened UGJ"
[03:51] <pleia2> except with the right spelling, else oof
[03:51] <elky_> hehe
[03:52] <pleia2> I need beer^Wfood soon too
[03:52] <nhaines> Okay, I'll let you two work that out.  :)
[03:52] <nhaines> I'd like to get this wrapped up by 8, as is my usual wont.
[03:52] <elky_> we could probably wrap now unless someone else has something
[03:52] <nhaines> SCaLE's looking good.  Canonical is providing Ubuntu polo shirts for all booth volunteers, assuming that's less than 11.
[03:53] <nhaines> Which means that if you're going to be at the booth you need to sign up immediately.
[03:53] <elky_> yay
[03:53] <pleia2> nice work
[03:54] <nhaines> Jorge Castro is also bringing an orange box and will be able to talk about Juju, MAAS, and presumably snappy Ubuntu Core, and José will also be around to discuss Juju and snappy Ubuntu Core.
[03:54] <ianorlin> 5 are signed up currently
[03:54] <elky_> nhaines: we might even send some badges your way ;)
[03:54] <nhaines> elky_: lol, that would be nice!
[03:54] <elky_> i think the magnets in the box are probably pretty useless by now, but we'll see
[03:54] <philipballew> also dont forget to attend Ubucon.
[03:54] <nhaines> pleia2: can you handle the conference pack for this?  It's about time for that now.
[03:55] <philipballew> Because it is gonna be hella tight for sure.
[03:55] <elky_> so you said.
[03:56] <nhaines> Ubucon is taking place on Friday, February 20th, and while we're not really involved much with that this year, we're going to be working together a lot more closely in the future.
[03:56] <philipballew> nhaines, Sometimes they dont send them out as quick when you do it online, so I always just called them.
[03:56] <philipballew> but we have time.
[03:57] <nhaines> mhall119 threatened to ship me SCALE things to drive in with, so I'm sure if we need to get expedition they'll be sympathetic.  But we still need to make the request. :)
[03:57] <philipballew> elky_, heck yeah I did!
[03:57] <philipballew>  :)
[03:57] <pleia2> nhaines: apply for scale conference pack now?
[03:57] <nhaines> pleia2: however conference packs are usually done.  You're the team contact.  :)  I'll PM you after the meeting.
[03:57] <pleia2> okie
[03:58] <elky_> ok i'm off guys, gotta make dinner
[03:58] <nhaines> Oh, I have the exhibitor pack for SCALE and we have a stunning booth, so this is the year to make things count.
[03:58] <pleia2> elky_: enjoy
[03:58] <nhaines> So I'm going to be working on some booth layout and will post more about it on the ML.
[03:58] <nhaines> And that's all I've got for now.
[03:59] <nhaines> Are there any other announcements before we end the meeting?
[04:00]  * ianorlin has nothing more 
[04:01] <nhaines> Me either.  Alrighty, I'd like to thank everyone for attending tonight!
[04:01] <nhaines> Let's get on the ML and continue being awesome.  :)
[04:01] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[04:01] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Jan 26 04:01:52 2015 UTC.
[04:01] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-01-26-03.01.moin.txt
[04:01] <ianorlin> #endmeeting
[04:04] <DonkeyHotei> curiously, the ip address at bobby g's matches a channel ban in #kubuntu
[04:08] <DonkeyHotei> actually, the offending ban is on *!*quassel@*.hfc.comcastbusiness.net
[04:16] <rww> That's... interestingly wide. I'll see if I can get it corrected.
[04:18] <rww> (in the meantime you can just change you ident, but yeah, that ban's a bit faily regardless)
[04:20] <DonkeyHotei> he changed it, in case you didn't see
[04:22] <rww> should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads up.
[18:56] <Telendrith> Good morning *s*
[18:57] <ianorlin> hi Telendrith
[18:59] <DonkeyHotei> hewwo
[19:00] <Telendrith> Hi, I'm sorta new to this community
[19:00] <pleia2> welcome Telendrith
[19:01] <Telendrith> oO
[19:01] <Telendrith> I've seen your name somewhere.
[19:02] <Telendrith> I think it was some perl documentation or something
[19:03] <pleia2> could be, I used to do a lot of Perl (I work as a sysadmin)
[19:03] <pleia2> mostly Python these days though
[19:05] <Telendrith> Ah, nice. Cool. I was trying to work on a perl irc bot in junction with a arduino anemometer (wind meter) and weather station, but my coding skills are about as good as my cooking, and I burn popcorn :/
[19:05] <Telendrith> I think I say your username when I was looking into that
[19:06] <DonkeyHotei> there are pretty mature perl bots in existence
[19:06] <DonkeyHotei> the main perl channel has one
[19:06] <pleia2> Telendrith: ah yes, I've written some perl scripts for irssi
[19:07] <pleia2> I'm sure they're all terrible, I'm not much of a programmer :)
[19:07] <ianorlin> last thing I really made was a bash script that told you the difference in your time from utc
[19:08] <pleia2> I'm a big fan of date -u
[19:08] <pleia2> but really I just have UTC time in my Xfce panel
[19:08] <ianorlin> yeah I use that in the script and send stuff to bc
[19:08] <DonkeyHotei> i find it regretful that i don't do all the coding i used to
[19:11] <Telendrith> That's actually funny, I never really thought about time as a variable when we're making the 6 weather stations.. 4 in CA, and two in TX and I never thought about the time difference :|
[19:12] <DonkeyHotei> wunderground.org is a great source of weather data for irc bots
[19:19] <blitz> lots of sites these days just return date-time in UTC and then minutes +/- from UTC for local time
[19:20] <blitz> well, that's atleast how threat metrix does it and I thought it was smart
[19:39] <rww> I have munin polling wunderground for outside temperatures, it works really well.
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> rww: using the api, or screen-scraping?
[19:40] <rww> DonkeyHotei: API
[19:40] <DonkeyHotei> the api is b0rked
[19:41] <rww> how so?
[19:42] <DonkeyHotei> it cannot poll weather stations *within* a zip code, just within a large area
[19:42] <rww> ah. doesn't really matter for the sort of thing i use it for, but that could be annoying indeed
[19:43] <rww> Meanwhile, for people interested in Ubuntu Phone stuff, here are the specs for the bq offering: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2015/01/26/ubuntu-phone-specs-2/
[19:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Phone Specs. « Full Circle Magazine]
[19:43] <DonkeyHotei> here is using the api: Weather for San Francisco, CA | Temperature: 56°F / 13°C; Humidity: 72%; Pressure: 30.05in / 101.7kPa; Conditions: Mostly cloudy; Wind: East, 5mph / 8kph; Updated: 47 mins, 9 secs ago | Forecast for Monday: Partly cloudy; High of 64°F / 18°C; Low of 52°F / 11°C | Forecast for Tuesday: Chance of rain; High of 61°F / 16°C; Low of 48°F / 9°C
[19:44] <DonkeyHotei> here is using screen-scraping: The current (wunderground) temperature in Westwood, San Francisco, California is 58.1°F (11:42 AM PST on January 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
[19:46] <DonkeyHotei> rww: what, no lte?
[19:46] <rww> As far as I can tell, it's inferior to the Nexus 5 in every way. I guess they're going the Firefox OS route.
[19:47] <rww> (which didn't work well for FxOS)
[19:48] <DonkeyHotei> i REALLY want a smartphone with a hardware dialpad
[23:03] <nhaines> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58497419.jpg
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[23:04] <pleia2> bwahaha
[23:05] <nhaines> So thanks to mhall119 for posting the image, and too bad for Jono for drawing my attention to it.  :)
[23:05] <nhaines> rww: you'd be surprised how well a phone OS can run without a java virtual machine under everything.
[23:11] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: but lte
[23:13] <nhaines> Not that big a deal in Europe.  HSPA+ is really fast and is everywhere.
[23:14] <DonkeyHotei> my phone has HSPA+ and it doesn't seem so
[23:15] <nhaines> Well the antenna must be pretty good to be reaching cell towers in Europe.
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> reaching the HSPA+ towers here (i've had it since before t-mo did lte)
[23:21] <nhaines> This phone launch has no regard for US cellular networking.  It's predicated on European service.
[23:22] <nhaines> It's not available for purchase in the US and will not work on US 3G or 4G frequencies, at last report.
[23:23] <philipballew> Can I buy a ubuntu phone in europe now?
[23:23] <rww> don't worry, nhaines will buy two (one for each hand) and just wifi them
[23:23] <nhaines> When they launch.
[23:23] <nhaines> rww: I can tether through my Nexus 5!
[23:23] <pleia2> they work on Edge :)
[23:24] <pleia2> you all and your fancy 3 and 4gs
[23:24] <nhaines> pleia2: nothing like a lowest common denominator.  :)
[23:24] <pleia2> hehe
[23:25] <DonkeyHotei> eps won a nokia N9 in nokia's raffle at i forgot what event (i think uds-q) and it was hspa+ too (i say was because everything he owned is getting thrown out)
[23:29] <philipballew> I have a burner phone.
[23:29] <philipballew> Might not be that cool, but it lasts
[23:29] <philipballew> me and eps always talked about how we had similar phones.
[23:34] <DonkeyHotei> my jaw just dropped when he won the raffle
[23:35] <philipballew> DonkeyHotei, I remember. I laughed.
[23:36] <philipballew> The man, The myth, The legend. May he live on in our hearts.
[23:38] <DonkeyHotei> emphasis on legend