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Kilosmorning all. hope you all have a good week05:52
bduk1Morning everyone05:55
Kiloshi bduk1  05:55
superflymorning Kilos, bduk106:30
superflyKilos: are you ready for next wednesday? :-P06:30
grembleGood morning06:33
superflyhi gremble06:33
grembleGood morning superfly. Doing well today?06:33
Kilosmorning gremble  superfly  06:34
superflygremble: pretty well thanks, and you?06:34
grembleYup. Trying to write a motivational letter for the Uni to let me change courses06:34
Kiloshmm.. i suppose so superfly  . i have no idea what else one must do06:34
grembleHey Kilos 06:34
grembleWhat are you trying to do>06:35
Kilossjoe gremble  what you want to change to06:35
Kilosim trying to apply for ubuntu membership06:35
grembleBSc Applied Mathematics. It is what I am studying, but my academic record still lists BSc Computer Science, so I just want to fix that.06:36
Kiloscomputer science will bring in more money when you go work isnt it?06:36
grembleComputer Science is software engineering here06:37
Kilosespecially in za we are short of good IT peeps06:37
grembleif I wanted to make money, I would go to Computer Engineering06:37
grembleCS != IT06:37
Kiloswell do that06:37
grembleCS is supposed to be mathematics06:37
superflygremble: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos06:37
Kilosyou need money for everything06:37
grembleNo, I like math, thank you06:37
Kilosmaths is good for trying to work out a budget when you dont earn enough06:38
grembleIronically, the maths that I do would be no good for working out the budget06:39
Kiloslol06:39
Kilosjust joking man06:39
grembleI know06:39
grembleStill true though, I could probably do a statistical analysis on my income :P06:40
grembleOr interpolate a differential equation to describe how little money I have :P06:40
Kiloshaha06:40
superflyI was terrible at maths in school06:41
Kilosits going to keep getting harder and harder to make ends meet06:41
superflyI nearly failed Std 906:41
Kilosya superfly   me too06:41
grembleLuckily for me we have even fewer applied mathematics people in SA than we have Engineers or IT people06:41
gremblesuperfly: most of my matric mark was 4006:41
grembleI got a 68 in the final exam06:41
Kilosi failed matric maths06:41
grembleHigh school math is not real mathematics. It is some horrid basterdisation to scare children06:42
Kilosgot about 40% iirc06:42
grembleI was in a fancy school where they arent allowed to give you low marks like that06:42
Kiloswhew 06:42
grembleMy grandfather left school at std 9 to go work. He taught himself mathematics in his past time and has been teaching mathematics since I can remember :P06:43
Kiloslast 2 years of high school were hard with all the pretties around at the same time06:44
Kiloswow06:44
superflygremble: I just steer clear of anything maths related, other than development06:44
superflybut, development != maths06:44
grembleNah, if you can learn a programming languge, you can learn math. It is the same, the notation is just really bad06:45
grembleIt is like they put an autistic in charge of the naming scheme in a C program. 06:45
grembleI think that is perhaps what makes it prohibitive06:46
grembleAnd the fact that people that are familiar with the notation like to tout it and go around pretending to be clever because they know the obscure notation06:46
grembleAnd that just makes everything worse06:46
Kilosi think thats part of the reason geeks are taunted at school06:49
Kiloseveryone else is jealous06:49
Kilosoo i blogged about geeks once06:49
grembleDid you say good things?06:52
Kilosim trying to find it06:52
inetproGood mornings everybody, hope all of you had a great weekend and you are ready to take on the new week!06:57
Kilosim sure spooks come fiddle here when im asleep06:57
Kiloshi inetpro  06:57
superflyinetpro: let's not talk about that, OK?07:01
gremblesuperfly: do you prefer to stay away from new weeks as well/07:02
gremble:P07:02
superflygremble: no, just today07:02
grembleWhy do you dislike today?07:02
inetprolol07:03
superflyJust personal issues.07:03
superflyWork == awesome. Other stuff != awesome07:03
Kilosai!07:04
grembleAww :/07:07
Kilosinetpro  when i find my blog again im giving it to you for safekeeping07:08
Kilosi have no idea where it is07:08
grembleOn the internet?07:09
Kilosno07:09
Kilosi deleted it then had it all saved somewhere 07:10
Kilosstarted rebuilding it and now dont know from where grr07:10
inetproeish superfly, that doesn't sound good, hope it can be sorted 07:11
superflyinetpro: nothing that a little R&R won't fix07:11
inetprocool07:11
superflyor, just taking it easy07:11
Kilosi go sort sheep wbb07:15
=== arnaudmez is now known as arnaudmez_
arnaudmez_Hi Guys07:49
arnaudmez_how are things this morning ?07:49
Kiloshi arnaudmez_  07:49
Kilosgood ty and you?07:50
arnaudmez_good too07:50
arnaudmez_just stuck and can't find a proper info regarding google map07:50
Kilosmao of where?07:51
Kilosmap07:51
arnaudmez_okay let me explain to you quickly07:51
arnaudmez_I'm currently working on project for what i need to do some map pointing on Google Map and have them printed on paper after07:52
Kilossjoe07:54
arnaudmez_in fact i will be walking around town and will have to map specific point (plus enter related infos: name, address, tel #, etc...) on google map > save it > print when there is need but at least have something that gives me geographical info of point i've visited 07:54
Kilosyou have lots of work ahead of you07:55
Kilosso where are you stuck?07:55
arnaudmez_first I want to understand this works with google product08:00
arnaudmez_it's google places or google map ?08:00
Kiloslets hear what others say i dont use googlemaps, it eats my data08:02
Kilosonce before i used it and you can zoom right to each house08:03
Kilosbut no idea how you would mark them08:03
Kiloslook at this http://www.google.com/mapmaker08:05
KilosMaaz  google how to make a local map08:08
MaazKilos: "Make Maps Online with Click2Map" http://www.click2map.com/ :: "Display local shops and services on a map with Click2Map" http://www.click2map.com/display_local_shops_and_services_on_a_map :: "Google Map Maker" http://www.google.com/mapmaker :: "Create and verify a local business on Google - Google My Business ..."08:08
Maazhttps://support.google.com/business/answer/2911778?hl=en :: "How to Draw a Street Map: 9 Steps - wikiHow" http://www.wikihow.com/Dra…08:08
arnaudmez_Kilos: thanks a lot08:20
Kilosyw08:20
arnaudmez_i've find something usefull withing the links you have sent08:20
Kilosim glad08:21
Squirmmornikng08:27
grembleGood mornin Squirm 08:27
Kiloshi Squirm  08:32
inetprohmm...09:07
inetproweek starting on a interesting note when you see a server log "optimization changed from TIME to SPACE"09:08
Kiloswhat does that mean inetpro  ?09:18
inetproKilos: partition running out of space on one of my FreeBSD servers09:19
Kilosah ty09:20
inetprotime to clean up09:20
Kilosyeah looks like09:20
inetproif we want better performance09:20
Kilosdisk full is an ugly message09:20
inetproWhen the partition gets close to full, FreeBSD automatically switches to "space optimization" which doesn't waste any space, but doesn't perform as well.09:21
inetprofirst time I've actually seen this, to be honest09:22
Kilossize of the drive?09:22
Kilosoh its only a partition thats near full09:23
inetproyep09:23
inetprolike 83%09:23
inetproso still safe09:23
Kiloshave you got space so you can resize it larger09:24
inetproja, no stress really... just thought the log entry was very interesting09:24
grembleOr delete all the crap :P09:24
inetprolike sci-fi09:24
Kiloslol09:24
Kiloshi drussell  you been a starnger hey09:49
Kilosstranger as well09:49
inetproai!10:03
inetprothere we go again... 10:03
Kiloswat nou?10:04
inetproKilos: @CityTshwane STAGE 1, Group 3AB are currently loadshedding until 12:30.Load shedding schedule:10:04
inetprohttp://www.tshwane.gov.za/Services/Electricity/Pages/LoadShedding.aspx10:04
Kiloseish10:04
ThatGraemeGuylo10:10
superflyhi ThatGraemeGuy10:10
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  10:10
drussellKilos: hey :o) 10:14
Kilosjust gonna reboot to see what it feels like 11:56
Kiloshmm...11:58
Kiloshmm... did we say hi nlsthzn  12:33
KilosMaaz  announce meeting tomorrow night at 20.3012:33
MaazAnnouncement from Kilos! meeting tomorrow night at 20.3012:33
Kilosscared him outa his pants12:51
Kilosso inetpro  what have i dont with my blog?13:23
Kilosmaybe a shift delete on the wrong folder13:23
Kiloswb arnaudmez_  did you win13:31
arnaudmez_Looking for a way to rename my laptop under linux13:31
arnaudmez_i've done sudo hostname new_name but nothing13:31
arnaudmez_still localhost13:31
arnaudmez_Kilos: yes, I did13:32
Kiloshmm...13:32
arnaudmez_got registered as google mapper and now proceding with test before everything goes live13:32
Kilostake a can of spray paint and grafiti the name change on your lappy13:32
Kiloswhat linux are you using on the laptop13:33
arnaudmez_fedora13:34
Kilosai113:34
KilosMaaz  google how to change your computer name on fedora13:35
MaazKilos: "How to Change Your Hostname (Computer Name) on Ubuntu Linux" http://www.howtogeek.com/197934/how-to-change-your-hostname-computer-name-on-ubuntu-linux/ :: "How to change the hostname of a Linux system - MDLog:/sysadmin" http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/07/how-to-change-the-hostname-of-a-linux-system/ :: "Linux change my hostname / computer system name -13:35
MaaznixCraft" http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-change-my-hostname-machine-name/ :: "Permanently Ch…13:35
Kiloslook at the cyberciti link13:37
Kilosseems easy enough13:37
=== SDCDev is now known as steb4s
=== steb4s is now known as Rynomster
Kiloshi Rynomster  14:06
Rynomsterhey Kilos14:07
Rynomsterhow are you?14:07
RynomsterGreetings from Port Elizabeth14:07
Kilosgood ty and you?14:07
Kilosty14:07
Kilosoh my there was someone here the other day looking for contacts down there14:07
arnaudmez_Kilos: worked like a charm14:13
arnaudmez_ty14:13
arnaudmez_you always14:13
arnaudmez_help14:13
Kilosyay arnaudmez_  glad you came right14:13
Kilosdont forget to get all the linux peeps there to get launchpad accounts hey14:13
arnaudmez_never forget about14:15
Kilosthen we can help you form a loco there14:16
Kilosubuntu one14:16
arnaudmez_cool14:16
Kilosyou just have to outgrow fedora14:16
Kiloshaha14:16
arnaudmez_fedora14:17
arnaudmez_i use for myself14:17
Kilosim teasing man14:17
Kilosyou can use what you like but not windows to have a loco14:18
Kiloswindows is ok to fix other peeps problems though14:18
arnaudmez_Maybe the day windows become OpenSource ...14:18
Kiloswho wants anything opensource that doesnt work14:19
Kilosor can be killed so easy with all the bad stuff on the internet14:19
arnaudmez_as i've read, they've developed another web browser than internet explorer and want to make internet explorer opensource and leave it to the community14:19
arnaudmez_is that right14:19
Kilosi dont know maybe they are trying to find someone to make it a decent browser at last14:20
Kilosi always used firefox14:20
Kilosbut on linux now i mainly use opera-developer14:21
arnaudmez_I've tried Chrome today and it looks faster and less memory consuming but still i have to give it few days before i can start beating the fox and ask him what he have to say14:21
Kilosi installed chrome here about a week ago to try something out but forgot now14:22
arnaudmez_give it another try but please first update 14:22
arnaudmez_we never know14:22
SquirmHello all14:24
arnaudmez_hi Squirm14:28
SquirmGot mysql replication to work15:22
SquirmAll automated with Ansible :P15:22
Squirmbooya15:22
Squirmnew territory to me ^^15:22
SquirmChat later all, home time, sort of15:26
grembleAnd the electricity has returned16:11
Kiloswhats the good of a stable connection if you got no power sigh16:26
Kilosso can one of you that can scroll back and find the link to tswane electricity load sheeding please16:30
Kilosfrom inetpro  around lunch time i think it was16:31
gremble http://www.tshwane.gov.za/Services/Electricity/Pages/LoadShedding.aspx16:35
grembleI'm so nice...16:35
Kilosthank you gremble  16:35
Kilosyou acvtually aint too bad16:36
Kiloshehe16:36
Kilosactually16:36
Kiloshi kulelu88  16:57
kulelu88Hi16:57
Symmetriaheh17:02
Symmetria18 of: HGST Deskstar NAS 3.5-Inch 6TB 7200RPM SATA III 128MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (0S03839)17:02
SymmetriaI just bought myself some disk space ;p17:02
Kilosi pinged you twice Symmetria  how come you didnt answer?17:03
Symmetriadidnt see it17:04
Symmetriaprobably went to bouncer when I wasnt attached17:04
Kilosah ok can you do some work there for us?17:04
Kiloswe need contacts for ubuntu groups in the surrounding countries please17:05
kulelu88linux user groups would be better.17:06
Kilosthat as well will be good17:06
Symmetriakilos #nairobilug 17:06
Symmetriabest place to get those details17:06
Symmetriasome of the UG guys are in there as well17:07
Kilosgood ty17:07
Kilosi go eat17:07
Kilosi wonder if i should join a lug before contacting lugs17:23
grembleYou are in a lug17:23
grembleWhat did you think this is?17:23
Kilosi mean official lug like glug and dbnlug17:24
grembleThis is fairly official. You spent quite a lot of time a couple of weeks ago to make it official17:24
Kiloslol17:24
grembleI'm not sure how much more official you want. Should we get a decree from the presidancy or something? 17:25
Kiloshmm...17:25
Kiloshot tonight here 17:26
gremble:P17:26
Kilos20/33°c they say17:26
grembleMine says 2917:26
Kilosmost likely arounf 2 or 3 am is about min17:27
Kilosya we 28°c in the passage17:27
Kilospoor pro will be melting again17:29
Kilosmaybe i need to be an official member of ubuntu-za to approach other lugs17:30
Kiloshehe17:30
kulelu88This used to be december weather. It's now moved to jan/feb17:31
grembleYou're already an official member of #ubuntu-za17:31
Kilosoh gremble  really?17:31
grembleYou just want to become an official member of the larger ubuntu community17:31
Kiloswow theres a luck17:31
* Kilos teasing17:32
grembleYou're just thinking of excuses not to go talk to other lug's17:32
Kilosneed a laugh for today17:32
Kilosive already left my message with namibia admin peeps17:32
Kilosi think they typical germans17:33
Kilosfulla17:33
* Kilos hides17:33
grembleYou better hide, I heard they have camps for people that joke17:36
superflykulelu88: where are you from? 17:42
Kiloshaha17:42
Kilosi will try them again in afrikaans and if they still dont answer ill have the task to inetpro  17:43
Kiloshe can jawohl them17:43
Kilosjahwol17:43
Kilossjoe ive forgotten17:43
stickyboyHey from Nairobi, ladies and gentlemen. :D17:46
Kiloshi stickyboy  17:46
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za17:46
stickyboyKilos: Thanks.17:47
inetprogood evening17:49
Kiloshi inetpro  17:51
Kiloswb captine17:51
Kilosinetpro  say hi to stickyboy  from nairobi17:52
Kiloshttps://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/plasma-5-2-the-quintissential-breakdown/17:53
inetprostickyboy: good evening17:53
inetproand welcome to #ubuntu-za17:53
Kilosbefore i die ill tie up all the lugs in africa17:53
inetprohmm...17:54
stickyboyKilos: Are there other LUGs in Africa?17:54
stickyboyKilos: btw, are you from JozyLUG?17:54
stickyboyThey tweet at us (@nairobilug) sometimes.17:54
inetproKilos, gremble: we are not a LUG!!!17:54
Kilosno stickyboy  they next door to us17:55
stickyboyAh, it's @jozilug.17:55
Kilosbut we have contacts with dbnlug and clug17:55
Kilosinetpro  tell him17:55
Kiloshehe17:55
stickyboyAh, ok.17:56
stickyboyKilos: Nice.  Yeah, #nairobilug is just a GNU/Linux agnostic LUG.17:56
stickyboyWe also have a hardcore FreeBSD user.17:56
Kilosand the guys in congo are busy growing17:56
stickyboyKilos: Sweet.  I totally wanna go to DRC.17:57
inetprostickyboy: nice to hear about you guys17:57
* stickyboy is going to Rwanda on Friday.17:57
stickyboyWe have an ex member of the Nairobi LUG in Kigali.17:57
stickyboyGotta see what's up in Kigali, maybe help him set up.17:57
Kilosstickyboy  get me contacts at all the places you visit please17:57
stickyboyWe have a website: http://nairobilug.or.ke/17:57
stickyboyIt's powered by Pelican and hosted on GitHub... we have democratic contribution process.17:58
stickyboyPretty sweet.17:58
stickyboyKilos: No problem.17:58
Kiloswe are rebuilding our website17:59
Kilosactually superfly  and inetpro  are17:59
inetproKilos: hopefully it will take another lifetime before you tie up all the lugs18:00
Kilosno man ill be too tired18:01
stickyboySpeaking of tired, I'm still at work.  I'm tired.18:01
Kiloswhew18:01
stickyboyCleaning up some metadata and re-importing to some repository.18:02
inetproKilos: please don't try too hard, otherwise you die too soon :-)18:03
Kiloshahaha only the good die young you know that i tried and failed18:04
grembleinetpro: what is the difference bettern a LUG and us?18:05
* Kilos listens carefully18:06
inetprogremble: Ever since the birth of computers, enthusiasts and fans around the world have collected together in garages, universities and pubs to talk about their interest, learn from each other and help promote their interest. Combine this with the huge popularity of Ubuntu, and you have the Ubuntu LoCo project.18:07
grembleSo we are a group of users that use linux, but we aren't a linux users group?18:08
inetproLoCos are around to help promote or support Ubuntu and build communities in specific areas18:08
grembleLoco I assume is something like Local Community?18:08
inetproyep, LoCos are not meant to replace existing LUGS, but instead to complement them18:09
Kiloswb captine  18:09
grembleBy virtue of assuming that collectives can be replaced?18:09
superflystickyboy: hey! I use pelican for my personal blog, but opted for Nikola for the Ubuntu za site that I'm hoping to launch soon 18:09
inetprogremble: Ubuntu LoCo Teams FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ18:10
superflyA LoCo is a subset of a LUG18:11
superflyIn essence 18:11
grembleYes yes. You keep referring me to what a LoCo is, and I understand that this channel is for the LoCo, but we are a LUG as well18:11
grembleSorry18:11
grembleOr an UUG18:11
gremblehaha18:11
grembleBut that looks ugly18:11
Kiloshehe18:12
stickyboysuperfly: Never heard of Nikola... and I thought I was a hipster.18:12
superflyThere you go 😉18:12
stickyboysuperfly: The Nairobi LUG's blog is all here: https://github.com/nairobilug/nairobilug.or.ke18:12
stickyboy21 forks. :)18:12
stickyboyw00t18:12
stickyboyMembers fork, write posts, and make pull requests.18:13
stickyboyPretty democratic and git is fun of course.18:13
captinethnx18:13
captinehi all18:13
superflystickyboy: I'm a bazaar fan, so our stuff is on Launchpad 18:14
superflyWe're! 18:15
superfly*wee! 18:15
superflyThere goes the power 18:15
inetprosuperfly: ai! I hope you had you phone charged up?18:15
inetproyour*18:16
superfly59%18:16
superflyShould be fine 18:16
Kilosai!18:17
stickyboyAight, y'all. I gots ta go.18:19
Squirmmeh18:19
Squirmsuperfly: ?18:19
Squirmmeh18:19
Squirmdamn load shedding18:19
Kiloshi Private_User  18:20
SquirmHey18:21
SquirmFully charged laptop, phone and internet18:21
SquirmI'm sorted :P18:21
Kilosay18:21
Squirmand VPN into work in case our UPS just doesn't make it18:21
Kilosyay too18:21
superflyHey Squirm 18:22
Squirm'lo superfly18:24
kulelu88You could call this an ubuntu fanboi group18:25
Private_Userhi Kilos18:25
kulelu88The african markets are too small, which is why the LUG should be important to us18:25
kulelu88Heck, once systemd is in ubuntu, I should be moving on18:26
Kilosyes they will link up with us, if i understood stickyboy  correctly18:26
grembleVoid linux18:26
gremblexD18:26
superflykulelu88: does it mean that much to you? 18:26
Kilosthat 2 out of 3 so far, getting there18:27
kulelu88superfly: I chose linux for the purposes of being a *little* more secure. That monolith called systemd doesn't feel secure to me18:27
kulelu88It's just how I feel. I wont bash systemd. 18:27
kulelu88It is useful18:27
grembleLess so than the monolith that is the kernel?18:28
superflyIn Cape Town,  CLUG typically steers clear of Ubuntu-ZA because they're mostly hardcore sysadmins who don't care much for newbies 18:28
kulelu88The cape is different. they get decent attendance for all events. 18:29
kulelu88gremble: The kernel is at least 20 years old now? I'll wait till systemd matures before coming back18:29
superflyNot really. GPUG seems to be having better attendance than ctpug 18:30
kulelu88Really?18:30
grembleWhat is a pug?18:30
Kiloshaha18:30
* Kilos listens too18:30
superflykulelu88: then I guess you're moving to FreeBSD? 18:30
grembleThe dog with the funny nose?18:30
kulelu88PHP/Perl/Python?18:30
superflyPython User Group18:31
kulelu88superfly: I'm looking at Devuan18:31
gremblesuperfly: there are some distro's that don't uses systemd18:31
Kilosaha18:31
gremblevoidlinux for example18:31
superflygremble: I know, I was being sarcastic 18:31
grembleOh18:31
grembleI clearly missed that18:31
kulelu88https://devuan.org/18:31
superflyHi magespawn 18:31
magespawngood evening all18:31
Kiloshi magespawn  hows you?18:32
superflykulelu88: I know them, I actually use debian at home 18:32
superflygremble: sorry, text doesn't convey sarcasm too well 😒18:33
superfly(and I can be incredibly sarcastic at times, which doesn't help) 18:34
magespawngood and you Kilos?18:34
magespawni have never really noticed it superfly18:34
kulelu88must not be easy to make many friends ehh superfly 18:34
magespawnmaybe try /sarcasm at the end18:34
Kilosgood ty magespawn  you need to go back to your shop again so we get more you time18:34
grembleThat takes away from the effect though18:35
gremblehaha18:35
magespawnif the shop paid then i would never have left18:35
magespawnor <sarcasm> if you prefer html tags, no need to close18:35
Kiloslol18:35
kulelu88magespawn: it's 2015, no  more <...> tags :P18:37
grembleMarkup, markdown, reStructured, we don't need no structured markup language18:37
superflyWe use JSON now 18:37
Kilossuperfly  can you explain please. will linking up peeps in africa mean irc contact and mail or something more involved18:38
grembleYou'll have to marry the chief's daughter18:38
superflygremble: +118:38
Kilosrofl18:38
Kilosok so getting them connected to here is good, then from here we nag them to form locos18:40
magespawnis systemd that bad18:40
magespawn?18:40
kulelu88to all you guys who lived through some parts of Apartheid. Was there ever loadshedding?18:40
magespawnjust reading that link18:40
superflyKilos: it totally depends on you. You're driving it. 18:40
Kilosoh my18:40
Kilosnever18:41
kulelu88oom Kilos, you could become the "legend" of Africa who united everyone behind *nix. But like every legend, the effort may outlive us all18:41
Kiloswell i hope it outlives me, i dont want to get that old18:41
superflymagespawn: not really, it's just that some folks feel strongly about it. 18:41
Kilosbut now ive found a way to get more peeps here and at 50 i can retire18:42
superflykulelu88: no. Loadshedding only started in 2005-ish18:42
Kilosthe pro said only when there are 50 peeps here18:42
kulelu88magespawn: I didn't really care what was under the hood until I learnt about how they pushed systemd in. They muscled their way in like dictators and bashed down people who opposed forcing systemd onto everyone without choice18:42
magespawnsuperfly bit like unity?18:43
kulelu88gremble could help with that. Tukkies students18:43
grembleWith what should I help?18:43
magespawnkulelu88: i see, so not really open and fair?18:43
kulelu88magespawn: That is probably why devuan exists now. Those redhat guys pushed everyone else out18:44
Kiloskulelu88  its because plans for future power staions and maintenance were shelved in 9418:44
magespawnalso because they kept expanding the national grid without thinking of ways to support it18:45
Kilosstations18:45
kulelu88some okes feel real hate for the ANC, especially on IOL, etc.18:45
Kilosbut anyway no politics rules here18:46
superflykulelu88: and the two power stations that were supposed to have been finished 5 years ago are still not finished 18:46
Kilossuperfly  you ready for tomorrow night18:46
Kilos?18:46
kulelu88the coal ones?18:46
Kilosyou wanted to kick buut i think18:46
superflykulelu88: yes18:46
superflyKilos: I don't have much time, I've got a DebConf meeting at 918:47
superflyBut I do want to 18:47
Kilosi think well let you start first them super after greetings18:47
kulelu88I can try sitting here for the meet, but I wont be very active18:47
Kilosill see if i can go add it to the agenda18:48
superflyKilos: you know, even you can contribute to the site 18:49
superflyKilos: even if you just write using slexy 18:49
superflykulelu88: please join us 18:49
Kilosi did didnt i18:49
Kilosi mailed you the post18:50
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127#preview18:50
Kiloswe can also rush the welcoming bit18:51
Kilosnuvolari  ping18:51
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  18:52
ThatGraemeGuylo18:52
superflyLook who the cat dragged in18:53
Kiloshehe18:53
superflyOops, did I say that out loud? 18:53
superflyHi ThatGraemeGuy! 18:53
Kilosrofl18:53
magespawnahh maybe, but where is the cat?18:53
kulelu88yeeouch18:53
ThatGraemeGuyi ate it18:55
superflykulelu88: I know ThatGraemeGuy 😉18:55
superflyHopefully he forgives me 18:55
ThatGraemeGuyI'l allow it...18:56
ThatGraemeGuy:P18:56
Kiloshehe superfly  you lucky man18:58
superflySjoe, that was a close shave 😝18:59
Kiloshehe18:59
Kiloshow you make that little smiley thats doesnt show me the text19:00
superflyTalking of shave, probably a good idea. The wife is not too fond of bristles19:01
Kilos😉19:01
Kiloshaha19:01
Kilosthey prick19:01
superflyKilos: I'm using SwiftKey on my android devices 19:01
superflyBy far the best keyboard I've used 19:02
Kilosit shows here on konversation but like a pencil drawing19:02
Kilosand doesnt give its code19:02
Kilosgrrr19:02
kulelu88you need 1 of these superfly: http://www.beards.org/images/displayimage.php?album=212&pos=-13114#top_display_media19:02
KilosMaaz  announce Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 sharp. dont be late please guys, the fly has to leave early19:03
MaazAnnouncement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 sharp. dont be late please guys, the fly has to leave early19:03
Squirm'lo19:04
superflykulelu88: dude. If I could grow that amount of facial hair, I totally would. 19:04
Squirmsuperfly: SwiftKey is cool, I use it. 19:04
Kiloslo Squirm  where be nuvolari  load shed?19:04
SquirmI have a beard19:04
SquirmMy girlfriend likes the beard :P19:04
kulelu88superfly: some guys can grow that in 2 months :D19:04
SquirmKilos: uhm, at the moment, Bloem19:05
Kilosaha and he is chairing the meet tomorrow night19:05
Kilosill have to mail rev him19:05
superflykulelu88: http://youtu.be/RmFnarFSj_U (language warning, though it's mostly clean) 19:07
kulelu88superfly: hahahaha19:11
kulelu88poor kid19:11
superflyFigured you might like it 19:13
kulelu88I was expecting major dislikes for it, but practically none :O19:16
inetprosuperfly: you getting old 19:17
* inetpro doing a bit of research 19:18
superflyinetpro: I've always been old. 19:18
grembleSince the beginning?19:19
inetprosuperfly joined #ubuntu-za on 05 Oct 200619:19
superflyYes. I love being the grumpy old man 19:19
inetprothat is almost 10 years ago19:20
inetprosuperfly: time to plan the big party for next next19:20
grembleQuite a long time ago indeed haha19:20
kulelu88superbenjamin flybutton19:20
inetpronext year*19:20
superflyinetpro: look for "who_da_fly" 19:20
inetprosame thing19:21
inetprosuperfly: you know anyone else around here who was in here before you?19:22
superflyI used that nick before I used superfly 19:22
superflyinetpro: vhata 19:23
inetprosuperfly: I guess you linked the account19:23
superflyYes 19:23
superflytumbleweed too19:23
superflyinetpro: ^19:24
inetprohmm... I see19:24
inetproand even cocooncrash_19:24
superflyYep 19:24
Kilosai! inetpro  have you seen, when something crashes by him who_da_fly remains19:24
Kiloslike hibana19:24
Kiloshavent19:24
superflyI should add that to my wiki page 19:25
Kilosi remember who da fly19:25
Kiloswas so hard to type19:25
Kilosyay for tab complete19:26
superflyThat was before you learnt about tab complete 19:26
Kiloslol ya whew i struggled19:26
Kilosive learned so much here19:26
inetprobut I see even Symmetria has been around for ever19:27
kulelu88Symmetria told us he has had IRC sex also :-?19:27
grembleHe used the irc to get laid19:28
grembleYes19:28
gremblehaha19:28
Kilos-ai! that was a short load shed19:30
superflyWe still have an hour to go 19:31
Kilos-ai!19:31
magespawngremble: isn't that what every one used to do back in the day?19:32
grembleI don't know, I usually just asked19:33
gremblewell19:33
Kilos-what did i miss?19:33
grembleI put my hand down her pants. If she didn't object it was on like something that is really on19:33
magespawnright then19:34
gremblehaha19:34
superflygremble: I think you're in the wrong channel 19:35
Kilos-sjoe19:35
kulelu88Is it true that they're putting up a casino next to menlyn mall?19:35
grembleI am?19:35
superflygremble: yeah, this is a channel about free software, not free sex... 19:36
magespawnman the network manger on windows should be dragged out the back into the ally and shot19:36
superflymagespawn: windows had a network manager? 19:37
superfly*has19:37
kulelu88On that note, there was some study saying 60% of sex-workers in SA are HIV+19:37
magespawnor whatever it is?19:37
grembleDammit19:37
grembleyears wasted19:37
grembleyears19:37
magespawnsuperfly whatever controls the connection19:38
superflymagespawn: I thought in windows it was bubblegum and prayer 19:38
Kilos-hahaha19:38
kulelu88wc bmg505 19:39
kulelu88new guy19:39
Kilos-nope19:39
magespawnno if there was prayer involved there might be a chance of it working19:39
Kilos-bmg505  you the leon from the list ?19:39
superflykulelu88: I thought you were the new guy? 19:39
kulelu88I've been lurking here for many months superfly 19:40
superflykulelu88: although you seem to fit right in 19:40
superfly"months" he says... That makes you a newbie 19:41
Kilos-lol19:41
kulelu88I need to setup my username on this machine19:41
inetprosuperfly: looking through the mailing list archives I see even SubOracle is one of our very early members here19:41
superflykulelu88: Kilos- has been around for so long he's become an institution 19:41
superflyinetpro: Yep, I think this might be where I met him. He designed the original Ubuntu-ZA logo 19:42
Kilos-haha they gave up hoping id go away19:42
inetproI remember that19:42
kulelu88oom should've become a sysadmin few years ago. Would be raking in 500k a year now19:43
Kilos-i didnt even know anything about pcs a few years ago19:43
inetprosad that we could not keep our wiki history19:44
superflykulelu88: I was looking at what salaries developers are looking for the other day, and I had to wonder how they could ask for almost twice my salary when they had less experience than me 19:44
kulelu88superfly: perhaps you're underpaid19:45
kulelu88With +5 years exp you should be clocking in +50k per month19:45
superflykulelu88: I doubt it 19:45
kulelu88CTC19:45
superflykulelu88: but having said that, I'll choose a lower salary and my current job than a higher salary at some stuffy corporate 19:46
Kilos-kulelu88  sysadmin not a lekker job, you start working when everyone else goes home19:46
Kilos-ask the pro19:46
kulelu88oom that's kwaai. No nagging HR people to ask you to come fix their Word issues19:47
Kilos-lol19:47
magespawnkulelu88: i was looking at that too, seems programmers are in short supply19:47
Kilos-only person ive tried to help with windows stuff is tara19:47
inetprohah, Kilos- you would like this one19:48
kulelu88Not PHP 'programmers' :P19:48
inetpro"After some mailing list activity, we got our first ever IRC meeting going on 7 December with 21 people attending!"19:48
Kilos-wow19:48
Kilos-when was that inetpro  ?19:48
magespawnkulelu88:  i saw an advert the other day for a COBOL post 19:49
inetprothat was posted on 2006/12/12 by morgs19:49
Kilos-2004 or 619:49
inetproKilos-: https://morgancollett.wordpress.com/2006/12/12/ubuntu-za-gets-going/19:49
Kilos-wow i wonder where morgs went19:49
kulelu88COBOL can only be a bank19:49
kulelu88AUstralia :P19:49
magespawnthink is was FNB19:49
Kilos-haha 19:50
Kilos-Most people are intimidated when it comes to using the Wiki – that’s something we as the WikiTeam must address by giving a good introduction and clear howto’s on the mailing list.19:50
grembleWhat is objective-c++?19:51
grembleIs that not the point of C++, to be objective?19:51
Kilos-even 6 months ago the wiki intimidated me19:51
Kilos-inetpro  there were 2 morgs19:52
kulelu88I think it's Obj-C19:52
kulelu88not obj-C++19:52
Kilos-i remeber then talking about who owned the nick19:52
inetproheh, and I was even at that first meeting19:53
inetprosuperfly: where were you?19:53
Kilos-kulelu88  what is your proper nick?19:53
kulelu88ek sal dit hier bring *soon*19:53
superflyinetpro: you asking me about something that happened almost 10 ago? 19:54
Kilos-ai!19:54
Kilos-soon is in 10 minutes19:54
inetprosee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2006-December/000410.html19:54
inetprothose are the minutes19:54
Kilos-inetpro  what are you doing?19:55
Kilos-superfly  support is needed19:56
inetproKilos-: refreshing my RAM19:56
Kilos-what about your wiki page19:56
inetproKilos-: what's that funny tail that you have there?19:56
Kilos-oh my19:56
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
superflyKilos: I must type long commands on my phone? 19:57
Kilosthat shows im not intimidated19:57
gremblekulelu88: clang manual refers to Objective-C++ as well as Objective-C19:57
inetproKilos: it will be written in due time19:57
Kilosno man19:57
Kilossuperfly  i mean support with giving the fly a push19:57
kulelu88I think obj-C/C++ was for Apple PCs19:57
Kilosthe dragging tail is for intimidated peeps19:58
Kilosnot the fly sorry superfly  i mean the pro19:58
superflyYes, you can write OS X apps in Objective - C19:58
inetprouh19:59
Kilosdue time is a weak excuse19:59
superflyBut you can also write Mac apps in C++ or Python 19:59
Squirmsuperfly: I tried to get Kilos into python last night19:59
Squirmnever worked19:59
superflySquirm: Kilos is scared of snakes. Not gonna work. 20:00
Kiloslol Squirm  the fly has tried as well20:00
Squirmsuperfly: fair enough - They are quite scary at times20:00
Kilosnow he hasnt got the time to explain everything20:00
SquirmKilos: that's what the internet is for20:00
SquirmI'll introduce you at some point20:00
superflySquirm: I have one, wanna come visit? 20:00
Kilosno no internet advice has killed my ubuntu a few times20:01
Squirmsuperfly: depends on the snake?20:01
gremblesuperfly: this is for free software, not free sex20:01
superflySquirm: it's harmless 20:01
Kiloslol@ gremble  20:01
superflygremble: are you only now catching up? 20:01
Squirmsuperfly: I'm not afraid of snakes, happy to hold them, unless they're aggresive :P20:02
grembleI'm busy haha20:02
superflySquirm not at all 20:02
superflyIt's a corn snake 20:02
KilosSquirm  when i was young i caught black mambas and sold them to the snake park in durbs20:02
Squirmok, that's all good then20:02
SquirmKilos: Nice - I think20:02
SquirmSo you're not afraid of snakes20:03
Kilosnow im too slow to even think of playing with snakes20:03
Squirmso you can now learn python20:03
Kilosnope not really20:03
Kilosthey are there to go under our heals20:03
superflyKilos: nope. 20:04
Kiloswhen i have africa connected then we can look at python again20:04
Kiloswithout vim20:04
Kiloswhat nope superfly  ?20:04
kulelu88First read some WordPress PHP code, then you will appreciate Python20:04
superflyKilos: you need to fall in love with Kate20:04
superflykulelu88: hahahahahahahaha20:04
superflyKilos: heels. Nope. 20:05
grembleI once read wordpress php. I don't think I've fully recovered20:05
Kilosoh ive used kate for basic things20:05
Kilosya we must stomp them20:05
superflyKilos: nope20:05
Kilosim sure the big book says so20:05
superflyNope20:06
Kiloshmm...20:06
superflyI'll explain in a pm20:06
Kilosok20:06
grembleAww, now we'll miss the explanation20:06
Kiloslol20:06
Squirmhttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/fibre/117332-best-fibre-to-the-home-deals-in-south-africa.html20:06
Squirminteresting20:07
magespawni don't even have copper to the home20:14
Kiloshehe join the family20:15
Squirmpower's back20:22
Squirmbeen 5 min now20:22
Squirm:)20:22
superflySquirm: glorious, isn't it? 20:23
Squirmsuperfly: well... I'm still sitting on my bed. So I can't say it's made any difference to my life right now. But I can't say the same for when my battery will die in 1.5 hours :P20:24
Kiloslol20:24
superflyHaha. Same here 20:24
Kilosits painful hey?20:24
Kilosthose 2 hours feel like a day20:25
Kilosim just about asleep here where i sit20:26
Kilosnight all you young uns. sleep tight. meeting tomorrow night20:33
SquirmStill haven't moved. Though I thinks it's time I get into bed myself. My alarm goes off at 8 tomorrow :/20:42
SquirmGNight20:43
magespawn7~good night all20:50
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