[05:52] <Kilos> morning all. hope you all have a good week
[05:55] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:55] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[06:30] <superfly> morning Kilos, bduk1
[06:30] <superfly> Kilos: are you ready for next wednesday? :-P
[06:33] <gremble> Good morning
[06:33] <superfly> hi gremble
[06:33] <gremble> Good morning superfly. Doing well today?
[06:34] <Kilos> morning gremble  superfly  
[06:34] <superfly> gremble: pretty well thanks, and you?
[06:34] <gremble> Yup. Trying to write a motivational letter for the Uni to let me change courses
[06:34] <Kilos> hmm.. i suppose so superfly  . i have no idea what else one must do
[06:34] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[06:35] <gremble> What are you trying to do>
[06:35] <Kilos> sjoe gremble  what you want to change to
[06:35] <Kilos> im trying to apply for ubuntu membership
[06:36] <gremble> BSc Applied Mathematics. It is what I am studying, but my academic record still lists BSc Computer Science, so I just want to fix that.
[06:36] <Kilos> computer science will bring in more money when you go work isnt it?
[06:37] <gremble> Computer Science is software engineering here
[06:37] <Kilos> especially in za we are short of good IT peeps
[06:37] <gremble> if I wanted to make money, I would go to Computer Engineering
[06:37] <gremble> CS != IT
[06:37] <Kilos> well do that
[06:37] <gremble> CS is supposed to be mathematics
[06:37] <superfly> gremble: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[06:37] <Kilos> you need money for everything
[06:37] <gremble> No, I like math, thank you
[06:38] <Kilos> maths is good for trying to work out a budget when you dont earn enough
[06:39] <gremble> Ironically, the maths that I do would be no good for working out the budget
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:39] <Kilos> just joking man
[06:39] <gremble> I know
[06:40] <gremble> Still true though, I could probably do a statistical analysis on my income :P
[06:40] <gremble> Or interpolate a differential equation to describe how little money I have :P
[06:40] <Kilos> haha
[06:41] <superfly> I was terrible at maths in school
[06:41] <Kilos> its going to keep getting harder and harder to make ends meet
[06:41] <superfly> I nearly failed Std 9
[06:41] <Kilos> ya superfly   me too
[06:41] <gremble> Luckily for me we have even fewer applied mathematics people in SA than we have Engineers or IT people
[06:41] <gremble> superfly: most of my matric mark was 40
[06:41] <gremble> I got a 68 in the final exam
[06:41] <Kilos> i failed matric maths
[06:42] <gremble> High school math is not real mathematics. It is some horrid basterdisation to scare children
[06:42] <Kilos> got about 40% iirc
[06:42] <gremble> I was in a fancy school where they arent allowed to give you low marks like that
[06:42] <Kilos> whew 
[06:43] <gremble> My grandfather left school at std 9 to go work. He taught himself mathematics in his past time and has been teaching mathematics since I can remember :P
[06:44] <Kilos> last 2 years of high school were hard with all the pretties around at the same time
[06:44] <Kilos> wow
[06:44] <superfly> gremble: I just steer clear of anything maths related, other than development
[06:44] <superfly> but, development != maths
[06:45] <gremble> Nah, if you can learn a programming languge, you can learn math. It is the same, the notation is just really bad
[06:45] <gremble> It is like they put an autistic in charge of the naming scheme in a C program. 
[06:46] <gremble> I think that is perhaps what makes it prohibitive
[06:46] <gremble> And the fact that people that are familiar with the notation like to tout it and go around pretending to be clever because they know the obscure notation
[06:46] <gremble> And that just makes everything worse
[06:49] <Kilos> i think thats part of the reason geeks are taunted at school
[06:49] <Kilos> everyone else is jealous
[06:49] <Kilos> oo i blogged about geeks once
[06:52] <gremble> Did you say good things?
[06:52] <Kilos> im trying to find it
[06:57] <inetpro> Good mornings everybody, hope all of you had a great weekend and you are ready to take on the new week!
[06:57] <Kilos> im sure spooks come fiddle here when im asleep
[06:57] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[07:01] <superfly> inetpro: let's not talk about that, OK?
[07:02] <gremble> superfly: do you prefer to stay away from new weeks as well/
[07:02] <gremble> :P
[07:02] <superfly> gremble: no, just today
[07:02] <gremble> Why do you dislike today?
[07:03] <inetpro> lol
[07:03] <superfly> Just personal issues.
[07:03] <superfly> Work == awesome. Other stuff != awesome
[07:04] <Kilos> ai!
[07:07] <gremble> Aww :/
[07:08] <Kilos> inetpro  when i find my blog again im giving it to you for safekeeping
[07:08] <Kilos> i have no idea where it is
[07:09] <gremble> On the internet?
[07:09] <Kilos> no
[07:10] <Kilos> i deleted it then had it all saved somewhere 
[07:10] <Kilos> started rebuilding it and now dont know from where grr
[07:11] <inetpro> eish superfly, that doesn't sound good, hope it can be sorted 
[07:11] <superfly> inetpro: nothing that a little R&R won't fix
[07:11] <inetpro> cool
[07:11] <superfly> or, just taking it easy
[07:15] <Kilos> i go sort sheep wbb
[07:49] <arnaudmez_> Hi Guys
[07:49] <arnaudmez_> how are things this morning ?
[07:49] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez_  
[07:50] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:50] <arnaudmez_> good too
[07:50] <arnaudmez_> just stuck and can't find a proper info regarding google map
[07:51] <Kilos> mao of where?
[07:51] <Kilos> map
[07:51] <arnaudmez_> okay let me explain to you quickly
[07:52] <arnaudmez_> I'm currently working on project for what i need to do some map pointing on Google Map and have them printed on paper after
[07:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:54] <arnaudmez_> in fact i will be walking around town and will have to map specific point (plus enter related infos: name, address, tel #, etc...) on google map > save it > print when there is need but at least have something that gives me geographical info of point i've visited 
[07:55] <Kilos> you have lots of work ahead of you
[07:55] <Kilos> so where are you stuck?
[08:00] <arnaudmez_> first I want to understand this works with google product
[08:00] <arnaudmez_> it's google places or google map ?
[08:02] <Kilos> lets hear what others say i dont use googlemaps, it eats my data
[08:03] <Kilos> once before i used it and you can zoom right to each house
[08:03] <Kilos> but no idea how you would mark them
[08:05] <Kilos> look at this http://www.google.com/mapmaker
[08:08] <Kilos> Maaz  google how to make a local map
[08:08] <Maaz> Kilos: "Make Maps Online with Click2Map" http://www.click2map.com/ :: "Display local shops and services on a map with Click2Map" http://www.click2map.com/display_local_shops_and_services_on_a_map :: "Google Map Maker" http://www.google.com/mapmaker :: "Create and verify a local business on Google - Google My Business ..."
[08:08] <Maaz> https://support.google.com/business/answer/2911778?hl=en :: "How to Draw a Street Map: 9 Steps - wikiHow" http://www.wikihow.com/Dra…
[08:20] <arnaudmez_> Kilos: thanks a lot
[08:20] <Kilos> yw
[08:20] <arnaudmez_> i've find something usefull withing the links you have sent
[08:21] <Kilos> im glad
[08:27] <Squirm> mornikng
[08:27] <gremble> Good mornin Squirm 
[08:32] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[09:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:08] <inetpro> week starting on a interesting note when you see a server log "optimization changed from TIME to SPACE"
[09:18] <Kilos> what does that mean inetpro  ?
[09:19] <inetpro> Kilos: partition running out of space on one of my FreeBSD servers
[09:20] <Kilos> ah ty
[09:20] <inetpro> time to clean up
[09:20] <Kilos> yeah looks like
[09:20] <inetpro> if we want better performance
[09:20] <Kilos> disk full is an ugly message
[09:21] <inetpro> When the partition gets close to full, FreeBSD automatically switches to "space optimization" which doesn't waste any space, but doesn't perform as well.
[09:22] <inetpro> first time I've actually seen this, to be honest
[09:22] <Kilos> size of the drive?
[09:23] <Kilos> oh its only a partition thats near full
[09:23] <inetpro> yep
[09:23] <inetpro> like 83%
[09:23] <inetpro> so still safe
[09:24] <Kilos> have you got space so you can resize it larger
[09:24] <inetpro> ja, no stress really... just thought the log entry was very interesting
[09:24] <gremble> Or delete all the crap :P
[09:24] <inetpro> like sci-fi
[09:24] <Kilos> lol
[09:49] <Kilos> hi drussell  you been a starnger hey
[09:49] <Kilos> stranger as well
[10:03] <inetpro> ai!
[10:03] <inetpro> there we go again... 
[10:04] <Kilos> wat nou?
[10:04] <inetpro> Kilos: @CityTshwane STAGE 1, Group 3AB are currently loadshedding until 12:30.Load shedding schedule:
[10:04] <inetpro> http://www.tshwane.gov.za/Services/Electricity/Pages/LoadShedding.aspx
[10:04] <Kilos> eish
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[10:10] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[10:10] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[10:14] <drussell> Kilos: hey :o) 
[11:56] <Kilos> just gonna reboot to see what it feels like 
[11:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:33] <Kilos> hmm... did we say hi nlsthzn  
[12:33] <Kilos> Maaz  announce meeting tomorrow night at 20.30
[12:33] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! meeting tomorrow night at 20.30
[12:51] <Kilos> scared him outa his pants
[13:23] <Kilos> so inetpro  what have i dont with my blog?
[13:23] <Kilos> maybe a shift delete on the wrong folder
[13:31] <Kilos> wb arnaudmez_  did you win
[13:31] <arnaudmez_> Looking for a way to rename my laptop under linux
[13:31] <arnaudmez_> i've done sudo hostname new_name but nothing
[13:31] <arnaudmez_> still localhost
[13:32] <arnaudmez_> Kilos: yes, I did
[13:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:32] <arnaudmez_> got registered as google mapper and now proceding with test before everything goes live
[13:32] <Kilos> take a can of spray paint and grafiti the name change on your lappy
[13:33] <Kilos> what linux are you using on the laptop
[13:34] <arnaudmez_> fedora
[13:34] <Kilos> ai1
[13:35] <Kilos> Maaz  google how to change your computer name on fedora
[13:35] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to Change Your Hostname (Computer Name) on Ubuntu Linux" http://www.howtogeek.com/197934/how-to-change-your-hostname-computer-name-on-ubuntu-linux/ :: "How to change the hostname of a Linux system - MDLog:/sysadmin" http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/07/how-to-change-the-hostname-of-a-linux-system/ :: "Linux change my hostname / computer system name -
[13:35] <Maaz> nixCraft" http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-change-my-hostname-machine-name/ :: "Permanently Ch…
[13:37] <Kilos> look at the cyberciti link
[13:37] <Kilos> seems easy enough
[14:06] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  
[14:07] <Rynomster> hey Kilos
[14:07] <Rynomster> how are you?
[14:07] <Rynomster> Greetings from Port Elizabeth
[14:07] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:07] <Kilos> ty
[14:07] <Kilos> oh my there was someone here the other day looking for contacts down there
[14:13] <arnaudmez_> Kilos: worked like a charm
[14:13] <arnaudmez_> ty
[14:13] <arnaudmez_> you always
[14:13] <arnaudmez_> help
[14:13] <Kilos> yay arnaudmez_  glad you came right
[14:13] <Kilos> dont forget to get all the linux peeps there to get launchpad accounts hey
[14:15] <arnaudmez_> never forget about
[14:16] <Kilos> then we can help you form a loco there
[14:16] <Kilos> ubuntu one
[14:16] <arnaudmez_> cool
[14:16] <Kilos> you just have to outgrow fedora
[14:16] <Kilos> haha
[14:17] <arnaudmez_> fedora
[14:17] <arnaudmez_> i use for myself
[14:17] <Kilos> im teasing man
[14:18] <Kilos> you can use what you like but not windows to have a loco
[14:18] <Kilos> windows is ok to fix other peeps problems though
[14:18] <arnaudmez_> Maybe the day windows become OpenSource ...
[14:19] <Kilos> who wants anything opensource that doesnt work
[14:19] <Kilos> or can be killed so easy with all the bad stuff on the internet
[14:19] <arnaudmez_> as i've read, they've developed another web browser than internet explorer and want to make internet explorer opensource and leave it to the community
[14:19] <arnaudmez_> is that right
[14:20] <Kilos> i dont know maybe they are trying to find someone to make it a decent browser at last
[14:20] <Kilos> i always used firefox
[14:21] <Kilos> but on linux now i mainly use opera-developer
[14:21] <arnaudmez_> I've tried Chrome today and it looks faster and less memory consuming but still i have to give it few days before i can start beating the fox and ask him what he have to say
[14:22] <Kilos> i installed chrome here about a week ago to try something out but forgot now
[14:22] <arnaudmez_> give it another try but please first update 
[14:22] <arnaudmez_> we never know
[14:24] <Squirm> Hello all
[14:28] <arnaudmez_> hi Squirm
[15:22] <Squirm> Got mysql replication to work
[15:22] <Squirm> All automated with Ansible :P
[15:22] <Squirm> booya
[15:22] <Squirm> new territory to me ^^
[15:26] <Squirm> Chat later all, home time, sort of
[16:11] <gremble> And the electricity has returned
[16:26] <Kilos> whats the good of a stable connection if you got no power sigh
[16:30] <Kilos> so can one of you that can scroll back and find the link to tswane electricity load sheeding please
[16:31] <Kilos> from inetpro  around lunch time i think it was
[16:35] <gremble>  http://www.tshwane.gov.za/Services/Electricity/Pages/LoadShedding.aspx
[16:35] <gremble> I'm so nice...
[16:35] <Kilos> thank you gremble  
[16:36] <Kilos> you acvtually aint too bad
[16:36] <Kilos> hehe
[16:36] <Kilos> actually
[16:57] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[16:57] <kulelu88> Hi
[17:02] <Symmetria> heh
[17:02] <Symmetria> 18 of: HGST Deskstar NAS 3.5-Inch 6TB 7200RPM SATA III 128MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (0S03839)
[17:02] <Symmetria> I just bought myself some disk space ;p
[17:03] <Kilos> i pinged you twice Symmetria  how come you didnt answer?
[17:04] <Symmetria> didnt see it
[17:04] <Symmetria> probably went to bouncer when I wasnt attached
[17:04] <Kilos> ah ok can you do some work there for us?
[17:05] <Kilos> we need contacts for ubuntu groups in the surrounding countries please
[17:06] <kulelu88> linux user groups would be better.
[17:06] <Kilos> that as well will be good
[17:06] <Symmetria> kilos #nairobilug 
[17:06] <Symmetria> best place to get those details
[17:07] <Symmetria> some of the UG guys are in there as well
[17:07] <Kilos> good ty
[17:07] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:23] <Kilos> i wonder if i should join a lug before contacting lugs
[17:23] <gremble> You are in a lug
[17:23] <gremble> What did you think this is?
[17:24] <Kilos> i mean official lug like glug and dbnlug
[17:24] <gremble> This is fairly official. You spent quite a lot of time a couple of weeks ago to make it official
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <gremble> I'm not sure how much more official you want. Should we get a decree from the presidancy or something? 
[17:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:26] <Kilos> hot tonight here 
[17:26] <gremble> :P
[17:26] <Kilos> 20/33°c they say
[17:26] <gremble> Mine says 29
[17:27] <Kilos> most likely arounf 2 or 3 am is about min
[17:27] <Kilos> ya we 28°c in the passage
[17:29] <Kilos> poor pro will be melting again
[17:30] <Kilos> maybe i need to be an official member of ubuntu-za to approach other lugs
[17:30] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <kulelu88> This used to be december weather. It's now moved to jan/feb
[17:31] <gremble> You're already an official member of #ubuntu-za
[17:31] <Kilos> oh gremble  really?
[17:31] <gremble> You just want to become an official member of the larger ubuntu community
[17:31] <Kilos> wow theres a luck
[17:32]  * Kilos teasing
[17:32] <gremble> You're just thinking of excuses not to go talk to other lug's
[17:32] <Kilos> need a laugh for today
[17:32] <Kilos> ive already left my message with namibia admin peeps
[17:33] <Kilos> i think they typical germans
[17:33] <Kilos> fulla
[17:33]  * Kilos hides
[17:36] <gremble> You better hide, I heard they have camps for people that joke
[17:42] <superfly> kulelu88: where are you from? 
[17:42] <Kilos> haha
[17:43] <Kilos> i will try them again in afrikaans and if they still dont answer ill have the task to inetpro  
[17:43] <Kilos> he can jawohl them
[17:43] <Kilos> jahwol
[17:43] <Kilos> sjoe ive forgotten
[17:46] <stickyboy> Hey from Nairobi, ladies and gentlemen. :D
[17:46] <Kilos> hi stickyboy  
[17:46] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:47] <stickyboy> Kilos: Thanks.
[17:49] <inetpro> good evening
[17:51] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[17:51] <Kilos> wb captine
[17:52] <Kilos> inetpro  say hi to stickyboy  from nairobi
[17:53] <Kilos> https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/plasma-5-2-the-quintissential-breakdown/
[17:53] <inetpro> stickyboy: good evening
[17:53] <inetpro> and welcome to #ubuntu-za
[17:53] <Kilos> before i die ill tie up all the lugs in africa
[17:54] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: Are there other LUGs in Africa?
[17:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: btw, are you from JozyLUG?
[17:54] <stickyboy> They tweet at us (@nairobilug) sometimes.
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos, gremble: we are not a LUG!!!
[17:55] <Kilos> no stickyboy  they next door to us
[17:55] <stickyboy> Ah, it's @jozilug.
[17:55] <Kilos> but we have contacts with dbnlug and clug
[17:55] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <stickyboy> Ah, ok.
[17:56] <stickyboy> Kilos: Nice.  Yeah, #nairobilug is just a GNU/Linux agnostic LUG.
[17:56] <stickyboy> We also have a hardcore FreeBSD user.
[17:56] <Kilos> and the guys in congo are busy growing
[17:57] <stickyboy> Kilos: Sweet.  I totally wanna go to DRC.
[17:57] <inetpro> stickyboy: nice to hear about you guys
[17:57]  * stickyboy is going to Rwanda on Friday.
[17:57] <stickyboy> We have an ex member of the Nairobi LUG in Kigali.
[17:57] <stickyboy> Gotta see what's up in Kigali, maybe help him set up.
[17:57] <Kilos> stickyboy  get me contacts at all the places you visit please
[17:57] <stickyboy> We have a website: http://nairobilug.or.ke/
[17:58] <stickyboy> It's powered by Pelican and hosted on GitHub... we have democratic contribution process.
[17:58] <stickyboy> Pretty sweet.
[17:58] <stickyboy> Kilos: No problem.
[17:59] <Kilos> we are rebuilding our website
[17:59] <Kilos> actually superfly  and inetpro  are
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: hopefully it will take another lifetime before you tie up all the lugs
[18:01] <Kilos> no man ill be too tired
[18:01] <stickyboy> Speaking of tired, I'm still at work.  I'm tired.
[18:01] <Kilos> whew
[18:02] <stickyboy> Cleaning up some metadata and re-importing to some repository.
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: please don't try too hard, otherwise you die too soon :-)
[18:04] <Kilos> hahaha only the good die young you know that i tried and failed
[18:05] <gremble> inetpro: what is the difference bettern a LUG and us?
[18:06]  * Kilos listens carefully
[18:07] <inetpro> gremble: Ever since the birth of computers, enthusiasts and fans around the world have collected together in garages, universities and pubs to talk about their interest, learn from each other and help promote their interest. Combine this with the huge popularity of Ubuntu, and you have the Ubuntu LoCo project.
[18:08] <gremble> So we are a group of users that use linux, but we aren't a linux users group?
[18:08] <inetpro> LoCos are around to help promote or support Ubuntu and build communities in specific areas
[18:08] <gremble> Loco I assume is something like Local Community?
[18:09] <inetpro> yep, LoCos are not meant to replace existing LUGS, but instead to complement them
[18:09] <Kilos> wb captine  
[18:09] <gremble> By virtue of assuming that collectives can be replaced?
[18:09] <superfly> stickyboy: hey! I use pelican for my personal blog, but opted for Nikola for the Ubuntu za site that I'm hoping to launch soon 
[18:10] <inetpro> gremble: Ubuntu LoCo Teams FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[18:11] <superfly> A LoCo is a subset of a LUG
[18:11] <superfly> In essence 
[18:11] <gremble> Yes yes. You keep referring me to what a LoCo is, and I understand that this channel is for the LoCo, but we are a LUG as well
[18:11] <gremble> Sorry
[18:11] <gremble> Or an UUG
[18:11] <gremble> haha
[18:11] <gremble> But that looks ugly
[18:12] <Kilos> hehe
[18:12] <stickyboy> superfly: Never heard of Nikola... and I thought I was a hipster.
[18:12] <superfly> There you go 😉
[18:12] <stickyboy> superfly: The Nairobi LUG's blog is all here: https://github.com/nairobilug/nairobilug.or.ke
[18:12] <stickyboy> 21 forks. :)
[18:12] <stickyboy> w00t
[18:13] <stickyboy> Members fork, write posts, and make pull requests.
[18:13] <stickyboy> Pretty democratic and git is fun of course.
[18:13] <captine> thnx
[18:13] <captine> hi all
[18:14] <superfly> stickyboy: I'm a bazaar fan, so our stuff is on Launchpad 
[18:15] <superfly> We're! 
[18:15] <superfly> *wee! 
[18:15] <superfly> There goes the power 
[18:15] <inetpro> superfly: ai! I hope you had you phone charged up?
[18:16] <inetpro> your*
[18:16] <superfly> 59%
[18:16] <superfly> Should be fine 
[18:17] <Kilos> ai!
[18:19] <stickyboy> Aight, y'all. I gots ta go.
[18:19] <Squirm> meh
[18:19] <Squirm> superfly: ?
[18:19] <Squirm> meh
[18:19] <Squirm> damn load shedding
[18:20] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[18:21] <Squirm> Hey
[18:21] <Squirm> Fully charged laptop, phone and internet
[18:21] <Squirm> I'm sorted :P
[18:21] <Kilos> ay
[18:21] <Squirm> and VPN into work in case our UPS just doesn't make it
[18:21] <Kilos> yay too
[18:22] <superfly> Hey Squirm 
[18:24] <Squirm> 'lo superfly
[18:25] <kulelu88> You could call this an ubuntu fanboi group
[18:25] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[18:25] <kulelu88> The african markets are too small, which is why the LUG should be important to us
[18:26] <kulelu88> Heck, once systemd is in ubuntu, I should be moving on
[18:26] <Kilos> yes they will link up with us, if i understood stickyboy  correctly
[18:26] <gremble> Void linux
[18:26] <gremble> xD
[18:26] <superfly> kulelu88: does it mean that much to you? 
[18:27] <Kilos> that 2 out of 3 so far, getting there
[18:27] <kulelu88> superfly: I chose linux for the purposes of being a *little* more secure. That monolith called systemd doesn't feel secure to me
[18:27] <kulelu88> It's just how I feel. I wont bash systemd. 
[18:27] <kulelu88> It is useful
[18:28] <gremble> Less so than the monolith that is the kernel?
[18:28] <superfly> In Cape Town,  CLUG typically steers clear of Ubuntu-ZA because they're mostly hardcore sysadmins who don't care much for newbies 
[18:29] <kulelu88> The cape is different. they get decent attendance for all events. 
[18:29] <kulelu88> gremble: The kernel is at least 20 years old now? I'll wait till systemd matures before coming back
[18:30] <superfly> Not really. GPUG seems to be having better attendance than ctpug 
[18:30] <kulelu88> Really?
[18:30] <gremble> What is a pug?
[18:30] <Kilos> haha
[18:30]  * Kilos listens too
[18:30] <superfly> kulelu88: then I guess you're moving to FreeBSD? 
[18:30] <gremble> The dog with the funny nose?
[18:30] <kulelu88> PHP/Perl/Python?
[18:31] <superfly> Python User Group
[18:31] <kulelu88> superfly: I'm looking at Devuan
[18:31] <gremble> superfly: there are some distro's that don't uses systemd
[18:31] <Kilos> aha
[18:31] <gremble> voidlinux for example
[18:31] <superfly> gremble: I know, I was being sarcastic 
[18:31] <gremble> Oh
[18:31] <gremble> I clearly missed that
[18:31] <kulelu88> https://devuan.org/
[18:31] <superfly> Hi magespawn 
[18:31] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn  hows you?
[18:32] <superfly> kulelu88: I know them, I actually use debian at home 
[18:33] <superfly> gremble: sorry, text doesn't convey sarcasm too well 😒
[18:34] <superfly> (and I can be incredibly sarcastic at times, which doesn't help) 
[18:34] <magespawn> good and you Kilos?
[18:34] <magespawn> i have never really noticed it superfly
[18:34] <kulelu88> must not be easy to make many friends ehh superfly 
[18:34] <magespawn> maybe try /sarcasm at the end
[18:34] <Kilos> good ty magespawn  you need to go back to your shop again so we get more you time
[18:35] <gremble> That takes away from the effect though
[18:35] <gremble> haha
[18:35] <magespawn> if the shop paid then i would never have left
[18:35] <magespawn> or <sarcasm> if you prefer html tags, no need to close
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <kulelu88> magespawn: it's 2015, no  more <...> tags :P
[18:37] <gremble> Markup, markdown, reStructured, we don't need no structured markup language
[18:37] <superfly> We use JSON now 
[18:38] <Kilos> superfly  can you explain please. will linking up peeps in africa mean irc contact and mail or something more involved
[18:38] <gremble> You'll have to marry the chief's daughter
[18:38] <superfly> gremble: +1
[18:38] <Kilos> rofl
[18:40] <Kilos> ok so getting them connected to here is good, then from here we nag them to form locos
[18:40] <magespawn> is systemd that bad
[18:40] <magespawn> ?
[18:40] <kulelu88> to all you guys who lived through some parts of Apartheid. Was there ever loadshedding?
[18:40] <magespawn> just reading that link
[18:40] <superfly> Kilos: it totally depends on you. You're driving it. 
[18:40] <Kilos> oh my
[18:41] <Kilos> never
[18:41] <kulelu88> oom Kilos, you could become the "legend" of Africa who united everyone behind *nix. But like every legend, the effort may outlive us all
[18:41] <Kilos> well i hope it outlives me, i dont want to get that old
[18:41] <superfly> magespawn: not really, it's just that some folks feel strongly about it. 
[18:42] <Kilos> but now ive found a way to get more peeps here and at 50 i can retire
[18:42] <superfly> kulelu88: no. Loadshedding only started in 2005-ish
[18:42] <Kilos> the pro said only when there are 50 peeps here
[18:42] <kulelu88> magespawn: I didn't really care what was under the hood until I learnt about how they pushed systemd in. They muscled their way in like dictators and bashed down people who opposed forcing systemd onto everyone without choice
[18:43] <magespawn> superfly bit like unity?
[18:43] <kulelu88> gremble could help with that. Tukkies students
[18:43] <gremble> With what should I help?
[18:43] <magespawn> kulelu88: i see, so not really open and fair?
[18:44] <kulelu88> magespawn: That is probably why devuan exists now. Those redhat guys pushed everyone else out
[18:44] <Kilos> kulelu88  its because plans for future power staions and maintenance were shelved in 94
[18:45] <magespawn> also because they kept expanding the national grid without thinking of ways to support it
[18:45] <Kilos> stations
[18:45] <kulelu88> some okes feel real hate for the ANC, especially on IOL, etc.
[18:46] <Kilos> but anyway no politics rules here
[18:46] <superfly> kulelu88: and the two power stations that were supposed to have been finished 5 years ago are still not finished 
[18:46] <Kilos> superfly  you ready for tomorrow night
[18:46] <Kilos> ?
[18:46] <kulelu88> the coal ones?
[18:46] <Kilos> you wanted to kick buut i think
[18:46] <superfly> kulelu88: yes
[18:47] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have much time, I've got a DebConf meeting at 9
[18:47] <superfly> But I do want to 
[18:47] <Kilos> i think well let you start first them super after greetings
[18:47] <kulelu88> I can try sitting here for the meet, but I wont be very active
[18:48] <Kilos> ill see if i can go add it to the agenda
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: you know, even you can contribute to the site 
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: even if you just write using slexy 
[18:49] <superfly> kulelu88: please join us 
[18:49] <Kilos> i did didnt i
[18:50] <Kilos> i mailed you the post
[18:50] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127#preview
[18:51] <Kilos> we can also rush the welcoming bit
[18:51] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[18:52] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:53] <superfly> Look who the cat dragged in
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:53] <superfly> Oops, did I say that out loud? 
[18:53] <superfly> Hi ThatGraemeGuy! 
[18:53] <Kilos> rofl
[18:53] <magespawn> ahh maybe, but where is the cat?
[18:53] <kulelu88> yeeouch
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i ate it
[18:55] <superfly> kulelu88: I know ThatGraemeGuy 😉
[18:55] <superfly> Hopefully he forgives me 
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'l allow it...
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe superfly  you lucky man
[18:59] <superfly> Sjoe, that was a close shave 😝
[18:59] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <Kilos> how you make that little smiley thats doesnt show me the text
[19:01] <superfly> Talking of shave, probably a good idea. The wife is not too fond of bristles
[19:01] <Kilos> 😉
[19:01] <Kilos> haha
[19:01] <Kilos> they prick
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: I'm using SwiftKey on my android devices 
[19:02] <superfly> By far the best keyboard I've used 
[19:02] <Kilos> it shows here on konversation but like a pencil drawing
[19:02] <Kilos> and doesnt give its code
[19:02] <Kilos> grrr
[19:02] <kulelu88> you need 1 of these superfly: http://www.beards.org/images/displayimage.php?album=212&pos=-13114#top_display_media
[19:03] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 sharp. dont be late please guys, the fly has to leave early
[19:03] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 sharp. dont be late please guys, the fly has to leave early
[19:04] <Squirm> 'lo
[19:04] <superfly> kulelu88: dude. If I could grow that amount of facial hair, I totally would. 
[19:04] <Squirm> superfly: SwiftKey is cool, I use it. 
[19:04] <Kilos> lo Squirm  where be nuvolari  load shed?
[19:04] <Squirm> I have a beard
[19:04] <Squirm> My girlfriend likes the beard :P
[19:04] <kulelu88> superfly: some guys can grow that in 2 months :D
[19:05] <Squirm> Kilos: uhm, at the moment, Bloem
[19:05] <Kilos> aha and he is chairing the meet tomorrow night
[19:05] <Kilos> ill have to mail rev him
[19:07] <superfly> kulelu88: http://youtu.be/RmFnarFSj_U (language warning, though it's mostly clean) 
[19:11] <kulelu88> superfly: hahahaha
[19:11] <kulelu88> poor kid
[19:13] <superfly> Figured you might like it 
[19:16] <kulelu88> I was expecting major dislikes for it, but practically none :O
[19:17] <inetpro> superfly: you getting old 
[19:18]  * inetpro doing a bit of research 
[19:18] <superfly> inetpro: I've always been old. 
[19:19] <gremble> Since the beginning?
[19:19] <inetpro> superfly joined #ubuntu-za on 05 Oct 2006
[19:19] <superfly> Yes. I love being the grumpy old man 
[19:20] <inetpro> that is almost 10 years ago
[19:20] <inetpro> superfly: time to plan the big party for next next
[19:20] <gremble> Quite a long time ago indeed haha
[19:20] <kulelu88> superbenjamin flybutton
[19:20] <inetpro> next year*
[19:20] <superfly> inetpro: look for "who_da_fly" 
[19:21] <inetpro> same thing
[19:22] <inetpro> superfly: you know anyone else around here who was in here before you?
[19:22] <superfly> I used that nick before I used superfly 
[19:23] <superfly> inetpro: vhata 
[19:23] <inetpro> superfly: I guess you linked the account
[19:23] <superfly> Yes 
[19:23] <superfly> tumbleweed too
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: ^
[19:24] <inetpro> hmm... I see
[19:24] <inetpro> and even cocooncrash_
[19:24] <superfly> Yep 
[19:24] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  have you seen, when something crashes by him who_da_fly remains
[19:24] <Kilos> like hibana
[19:24] <Kilos> havent
[19:25] <superfly> I should add that to my wiki page 
[19:25] <Kilos> i remember who da fly
[19:25] <Kilos> was so hard to type
[19:26] <Kilos> yay for tab complete
[19:26] <superfly> That was before you learnt about tab complete 
[19:26] <Kilos> lol ya whew i struggled
[19:26] <Kilos> ive learned so much here
[19:27] <inetpro> but I see even Symmetria has been around for ever
[19:27] <kulelu88> Symmetria told us he has had IRC sex also :-?
[19:28] <gremble> He used the irc to get laid
[19:28] <gremble> Yes
[19:28] <gremble> haha
[19:30] <Kilos-> ai! that was a short load shed
[19:31] <superfly> We still have an hour to go 
[19:31] <Kilos-> ai!
[19:32] <magespawn> gremble: isn't that what every one used to do back in the day?
[19:33] <gremble> I don't know, I usually just asked
[19:33] <gremble> well
[19:33] <Kilos-> what did i miss?
[19:33] <gremble> I put my hand down her pants. If she didn't object it was on like something that is really on
[19:34] <magespawn> right then
[19:34] <gremble> haha
[19:35] <superfly> gremble: I think you're in the wrong channel 
[19:35] <Kilos-> sjoe
[19:35] <kulelu88> Is it true that they're putting up a casino next to menlyn mall?
[19:35] <gremble> I am?
[19:36] <superfly> gremble: yeah, this is a channel about free software, not free sex... 
[19:36] <magespawn> man the network manger on windows should be dragged out the back into the ally and shot
[19:37] <superfly> magespawn: windows had a network manager? 
[19:37] <superfly> *has
[19:37] <kulelu88> On that note, there was some study saying 60% of sex-workers in SA are HIV+
[19:37] <magespawn> or whatever it is?
[19:37] <gremble> Dammit
[19:37] <gremble> years wasted
[19:37] <gremble> years
[19:38] <magespawn> superfly whatever controls the connection
[19:38] <superfly> magespawn: I thought in windows it was bubblegum and prayer 
[19:38] <Kilos-> hahaha
[19:39] <kulelu88> wc bmg505 
[19:39] <kulelu88> new guy
[19:39] <Kilos-> nope
[19:39] <magespawn> no if there was prayer involved there might be a chance of it working
[19:39] <Kilos-> bmg505  you the leon from the list ?
[19:39] <superfly> kulelu88: I thought you were the new guy? 
[19:40] <kulelu88> I've been lurking here for many months superfly 
[19:40] <superfly> kulelu88: although you seem to fit right in 
[19:41] <superfly> "months" he says... That makes you a newbie 
[19:41] <Kilos-> lol
[19:41] <kulelu88> I need to setup my username on this machine
[19:41] <inetpro> superfly: looking through the mailing list archives I see even SubOracle is one of our very early members here
[19:41] <superfly> kulelu88: Kilos- has been around for so long he's become an institution 
[19:42] <superfly> inetpro: Yep, I think this might be where I met him. He designed the original Ubuntu-ZA logo 
[19:42] <Kilos-> haha they gave up hoping id go away
[19:42] <inetpro> I remember that
[19:43] <kulelu88> oom should've become a sysadmin few years ago. Would be raking in 500k a year now
[19:43] <Kilos-> i didnt even know anything about pcs a few years ago
[19:44] <inetpro> sad that we could not keep our wiki history
[19:44] <superfly> kulelu88: I was looking at what salaries developers are looking for the other day, and I had to wonder how they could ask for almost twice my salary when they had less experience than me 
[19:45] <kulelu88> superfly: perhaps you're underpaid
[19:45] <kulelu88> With +5 years exp you should be clocking in +50k per month
[19:45] <superfly> kulelu88: I doubt it 
[19:45] <kulelu88> CTC
[19:46] <superfly> kulelu88: but having said that, I'll choose a lower salary and my current job than a higher salary at some stuffy corporate 
[19:46] <Kilos-> kulelu88  sysadmin not a lekker job, you start working when everyone else goes home
[19:46] <Kilos-> ask the pro
[19:47] <kulelu88> oom that's kwaai. No nagging HR people to ask you to come fix their Word issues
[19:47] <Kilos-> lol
[19:47] <magespawn> kulelu88: i was looking at that too, seems programmers are in short supply
[19:47] <Kilos-> only person ive tried to help with windows stuff is tara
[19:48] <inetpro> hah, Kilos- you would like this one
[19:48] <kulelu88> Not PHP 'programmers' :P
[19:48] <inetpro> "After some mailing list activity, we got our first ever IRC meeting going on 7 December with 21 people attending!"
[19:48] <Kilos-> wow
[19:48] <Kilos-> when was that inetpro  ?
[19:49] <magespawn> kulelu88:  i saw an advert the other day for a COBOL post 
[19:49] <inetpro> that was posted on 2006/12/12 by morgs
[19:49] <Kilos-> 2004 or 6
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos-: https://morgancollett.wordpress.com/2006/12/12/ubuntu-za-gets-going/
[19:49] <Kilos-> wow i wonder where morgs went
[19:49] <kulelu88> COBOL can only be a bank
[19:49] <kulelu88> AUstralia :P
[19:49] <magespawn> think is was FNB
[19:50] <Kilos-> haha 
[19:50] <Kilos-> Most people are intimidated when it comes to using the Wiki – that’s something we as the WikiTeam must address by giving a good introduction and clear howto’s on the mailing list.
[19:51] <gremble> What is objective-c++?
[19:51] <gremble> Is that not the point of C++, to be objective?
[19:51] <Kilos-> even 6 months ago the wiki intimidated me
[19:52] <Kilos-> inetpro  there were 2 morgs
[19:52] <kulelu88> I think it's Obj-C
[19:52] <kulelu88> not obj-C++
[19:52] <Kilos-> i remeber then talking about who owned the nick
[19:53] <inetpro> heh, and I was even at that first meeting
[19:53] <inetpro> superfly: where were you?
[19:53] <Kilos-> kulelu88  what is your proper nick?
[19:53] <kulelu88> ek sal dit hier bring *soon*
[19:54] <superfly> inetpro: you asking me about something that happened almost 10 ago? 
[19:54] <Kilos-> ai!
[19:54] <Kilos-> soon is in 10 minutes
[19:54] <inetpro> see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2006-December/000410.html
[19:54] <inetpro> those are the minutes
[19:55] <Kilos-> inetpro  what are you doing?
[19:56] <Kilos-> superfly  support is needed
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos-: refreshing my RAM
[19:56] <Kilos-> what about your wiki page
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos-: what's that funny tail that you have there?
[19:56] <Kilos-> oh my
[19:57] <superfly> Kilos: I must type long commands on my phone? 
[19:57] <Kilos> that shows im not intimidated
[19:57] <gremble> kulelu88: clang manual refers to Objective-C++ as well as Objective-C
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: it will be written in due time
[19:57] <Kilos> no man
[19:57] <Kilos> superfly  i mean support with giving the fly a push
[19:57] <kulelu88> I think obj-C/C++ was for Apple PCs
[19:58] <Kilos> the dragging tail is for intimidated peeps
[19:58] <Kilos> not the fly sorry superfly  i mean the pro
[19:58] <superfly> Yes, you can write OS X apps in Objective - C
[19:59] <inetpro> uh
[19:59] <Kilos> due time is a weak excuse
[19:59] <superfly> But you can also write Mac apps in C++ or Python 
[19:59] <Squirm> superfly: I tried to get Kilos into python last night
[19:59] <Squirm> never worked
[20:00] <superfly> Squirm: Kilos is scared of snakes. Not gonna work. 
[20:00] <Kilos> lol Squirm  the fly has tried as well
[20:00] <Squirm> superfly: fair enough - They are quite scary at times
[20:00] <Kilos> now he hasnt got the time to explain everything
[20:00] <Squirm> Kilos: that's what the internet is for
[20:00] <Squirm> I'll introduce you at some point
[20:00] <superfly> Squirm: I have one, wanna come visit? 
[20:01] <Kilos> no no internet advice has killed my ubuntu a few times
[20:01] <Squirm> superfly: depends on the snake?
[20:01] <gremble> superfly: this is for free software, not free sex
[20:01] <superfly> Squirm: it's harmless 
[20:01] <Kilos> lol@ gremble  
[20:01] <superfly> gremble: are you only now catching up? 
[20:02] <Squirm> superfly: I'm not afraid of snakes, happy to hold them, unless they're aggresive :P
[20:02] <gremble> I'm busy haha
[20:02] <superfly> Squirm not at all 
[20:02] <superfly> It's a corn snake 
[20:02] <Kilos> Squirm  when i was young i caught black mambas and sold them to the snake park in durbs
[20:02] <Squirm> ok, that's all good then
[20:02] <Squirm> Kilos: Nice - I think
[20:03] <Squirm> So you're not afraid of snakes
[20:03] <Kilos> now im too slow to even think of playing with snakes
[20:03] <Squirm> so you can now learn python
[20:03] <Kilos> nope not really
[20:03] <Kilos> they are there to go under our heals
[20:04] <superfly> Kilos: nope. 
[20:04] <Kilos> when i have africa connected then we can look at python again
[20:04] <Kilos> without vim
[20:04] <Kilos> what nope superfly  ?
[20:04] <kulelu88> First read some WordPress PHP code, then you will appreciate Python
[20:04] <superfly> Kilos: you need to fall in love with Kate
[20:04] <superfly> kulelu88: hahahahahahahaha
[20:05] <superfly> Kilos: heels. Nope. 
[20:05] <gremble> I once read wordpress php. I don't think I've fully recovered
[20:05] <Kilos> oh ive used kate for basic things
[20:05] <Kilos> ya we must stomp them
[20:05] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[20:05] <Kilos> im sure the big book says so
[20:06] <superfly> Nope
[20:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:06] <superfly> I'll explain in a pm
[20:06] <Kilos> ok
[20:06] <gremble> Aww, now we'll miss the explanation
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/fibre/117332-best-fibre-to-the-home-deals-in-south-africa.html
[20:07] <Squirm> interesting
[20:14] <magespawn> i don't even have copper to the home
[20:15] <Kilos> hehe join the family
[20:22] <Squirm> power's back
[20:22] <Squirm> been 5 min now
[20:22] <Squirm> :)
[20:23] <superfly> Squirm: glorious, isn't it? 
[20:24] <Squirm> superfly: well... I'm still sitting on my bed. So I can't say it's made any difference to my life right now. But I can't say the same for when my battery will die in 1.5 hours :P
[20:24] <Kilos> lol
[20:24] <superfly> Haha. Same here 
[20:24] <Kilos> its painful hey?
[20:25] <Kilos> those 2 hours feel like a day
[20:26] <Kilos> im just about asleep here where i sit
[20:33] <Kilos> night all you young uns. sleep tight. meeting tomorrow night
[20:42] <Squirm> Still haven't moved. Though I thinks it's time I get into bed myself. My alarm goes off at 8 tomorrow :/
[20:43] <Squirm> GNight
[20:50] <magespawn> 7~good night all
[22:33] <AlphaG> Greetings