[08:21] <elfy> have we done something with xdg-open or something - hexchat suddenly trying and failing to open urls in a new browser :(
[08:25] <Unit193> 2015-01-22
[08:26] <Unit193> What's the session log say?
[08:27] <elfy> which log?
[08:28] <Unit193> .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[08:30] <elfy> nothing useful - just a bunch of mousepad stuff
[08:31] <Unit193> OK.
[08:31] <elfy> 22nd sounds about right for it changing 
[08:35] <elfy> bbl
[10:44] <brainwash> elfy: use exo-open :)
[10:45] <brainwash> there's bug 1388922
[10:54] <brainwash> elfy: xdg-utils package has been updated. now the blanking timeout reset bug should be fixed. please test!
[11:03] <brainwash> Unit193: any idea how to make debian package a new xdg-utils build?
[11:04] <brainwash> it seems somewhat stupid to use the current ubuntu package and add all these upstream patches
[11:05] <brainwash> so, we need something fresh which could be synced from debian
[11:26] <bluesabre> elfy: did you get a chance to take abiword from -staging for a spin?  If you approve, I'll sync the updated package tonight
[11:46] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you review https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11293 please? this bug seems to break one of the iso test cases
[11:48] <bluesabre> that looks like a good patch
[11:49] <bluesabre> I'll merge that one in tonight, and add it to the package
[11:49] <brainwash> thanks :)
[11:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: good find, I'll also do that tonight
[11:51] <bluesabre> also, uploaded your screenshooter
[11:53] <bluesabre> glad I didn't have internet over the weekend to finish my blog post, seems we have plenty more new things landing in xfce-land
[12:44] <elfy> brainwash: that bug is old - this is new behaviour that'd turned up in the last few days - must have been caused by something 
[12:46] <elfy> bluesabre: appears to be ok here 
[12:46] <brainwash> elfy: old but still valid. for example, xdg-screensaver is not able to detect Xfce, so it falls back to "other DE"
[12:46] <elfy> right - your not understanding what I am saying
[12:46] <elfy> hexchat opened url's fine
[12:47] <elfy> something - that is NOT hexchat must have changed
[12:47] <brainwash> I understand what you are saying
[12:47] <elfy> then sending me looking at old info isn't helping 
[12:47] <brainwash> all of the sudden it stopped working
[12:47] <brainwash> but the linked bug is old
[12:51] <bluesabre> well, if we just updated the package, and the breakage is new, its an issue with the new package... so what changed that affects xfce and related component detection
[12:51] <elfy> if suddenly something stops working and there's been no change in that package - the bug is something that has turned up recently - not last November
[12:51] <elfy> and re parole setting screen blank, that appears sorted :)
[12:51] <bluesabre> brainwash: did we change something with "Other DE"?  Chances are there was something specific there that made things work a bit better. 
[12:52] <bluesabre> if you can't find anything, I'll try to find time to diff utopic and vivid versions and see if anything jumps out at me
[12:56] <elfy> url's from other things like tbird open properly 
[12:56] <elfy> just fyi
[12:57] <brainwash> disconnect
[12:58] <elfy> ?
[12:58] <elfy> though generally I feel like that - not sure it's going to help with this :)
[12:59] <elfy> this isn't something that's happened today - but daily for a few days - and I've been disconnected from here in between times
[12:59] <brainwash> I missed the previous message(s)
[12:59] <brainwash> before "just fyi"
[13:00] <elfy> not sure when I first noticed - possibly Friday, more likely Saturday
[13:01] <brainwash> the xdg-utils package was indeed updated, but no one touched the xdg-open part
[13:05] <brainwash> elfy: a simple test would be to execute xdg-open manually, like "xdg-open <url>"
[13:06] <elfy> well that works fine - didn't think it wouldn't 
[13:06] <elfy> as I said url's work from tbird - it's seemingly hexchat which is causing me a problem
[13:08] <brainwash> bug 1408156
[13:08] <elfy> brainwash: again - old 
[13:09] <brainwash> hmm yeah
[13:09] <elfy> if there's a bug from a day or two ago - then I'd be happy - but this has JUST started here - it was fine :)
[13:09] <brainwash> sadly there is none
[13:09] <elfy> anyway - bbl - just my cuppa break :)
[13:09] <brainwash> bye
[13:10] <elfy> brainwash: well I'm not sad so much as this has obviously been broken for me really recently - so should be able to track it down 
[13:10] <elfy> at least hopefully :D
[14:44] <brainwash> elfy: just tested it myself, clicking some URL in the chat window or passing it to /url just opens an empty firefox window
[14:45] <brainwash> however, it works fine when running the unity session
[14:45] <brainwash> and xdg-open is not involved at all
[16:09] <elfy> brainwash: so what is involved then - because it's obviously not just a hexchat issue
[16:10] <elfy> thanks for looking too :)
[16:15] <brainwash> elfy: not just?
[16:17] <brainwash> I'd assume that hexchat is doing something weird
[16:17] <elfy> yea - how can it be just hexchat - it was working fine previously and hexchat hasn't had an update 
[16:18] <brainwash> hexchat is our only hint
[16:18] <elfy> not quite :)
[16:19] <elfy> it was working fine last week is another one ;)
[16:19] <brainwash> ah, yeah
[16:19] <elfy> believe me I would have said something before :)
[16:19] <brainwash> did we change any environmental vars?
[16:19] <elfy> I'm constantly clicking links in this channel :D
[16:20] <brainwash> well.... apt does some logging
[16:20] <brainwash> you will have to check which packages have been updated
[16:20] <elfy> last changelog for hexchat in vivid - 16 Nov 
[16:21] <brainwash> yes, I mean what has been updated last week
[16:21] <elfy> yea - was just going for easier options first 
[16:21] <elfy> yep I realise that brainwash :)
[16:22] <brainwash> my test system runs several DEs, so it could take some time find any hints
[16:22] <brainwash> tons of packages are updated on a regular basis
[16:23] <elfy> I'll get some idea of what's been updated here last week first
[16:23] <brainwash> great :)
[16:23] <elfy> started this morning with what I did - just in case someone like Unit193 or bluesabre had an idea of a likely candidate
[16:48] <brainwash> elfy: exp-open <url>  just opens a firefox window too
[16:48] <brainwash> ^ exo-open
[16:48] <elfy> just started xchat - opens a url properly
[16:50] <brainwash> I changed my browser and it works now in hexchat and with exo-open
[16:50] <brainwash> did you update firefox to version 36 (-proposed)?
[16:50] <elfy> yea 
[16:50] <brainwash> same
[16:50] <elfy> I was just pondering that actually
[16:50] <brainwash> so something changed in firefox
[16:51] <elfy> I'll just purge that 
[16:52] <elfy> yep
[16:52] <elfy> that's the issue \o/
[16:53] <elfy> just came across it in the list I'm fiddling with :)
[16:58] <elfy> I just need to remember to not let it update that then in time
[16:58] <brainwash> what about filing a report?
[16:59] <elfy> because as soon as it's noticed that it's from proposed in vivid it'll get ignored 
[17:01] <elfy> got enough ignored bug reports for now :)
[17:02] <brainwash> I'd assume that this bug will affect every Xfce user once they update firefox to version 36
[17:03] <elfy> probably
[17:03] <brainwash> lets wait and see :D
[17:03] <elfy> :)
[17:03] <elfy> at least we know now it's not us :p
[17:04] <brainwash> not sure if I can recover my firefox bugzilla login details
[17:05] <brainwash> not sure, xdg-open works fine, but exo-open does not anymore
[17:05] <brainwash> maybe it has to be fixed in Xfce
[17:06] <brainwash> one of these rare cases which no one notices until it breaks
[17:09] <elfy> possible
[17:10] <elfy> not really sure what to report it against there tbh
[17:11] <brainwash> firefox + exo (+ hexchat)
[17:11] <brainwash> just add them all
[17:13] <elfy> to the comment?
[17:14] <brainwash> or do you mean reporting on mozilla's bug tracker?
[17:14] <elfy> not doing that :)
[17:14] <elfy> I'd have to make an account to do it 
[17:14] <brainwash> I was thinking about adding all these packages to the lp report
[17:14] <elfy> what LP report? 
[17:14] <brainwash> affects list
[17:15] <brainwash> the report which you gonna create :)
[17:15] <elfy> I already said I'm not going to create another LP report that'll get ignored ... 
[17:15] <elfy> I'd report one to xfce exo 
[17:16] <brainwash> yeah, sounds fine
[17:16] <brainwash> ideally someone should test with trusty + firefox 36
[17:17] <brainwash> but no one here runs trusty anymore... or?
[17:17] <elfy> if as you say it works in unity then frankly most of the time that's all anyone looking at LP cares about 
[17:17] <elfy> unless it's one of our things and someone here is dealing with it 
[17:17] <brainwash> I do care about Xfce reports on lp =S
[17:18] <elfy> we do generally - but as soon as it's got something else like ff then *they* don't 
[17:18] <brainwash> the mozilla guys are probably not monitoring lp anyway
[17:18] <elfy> you know exactly what I mean
[17:19] <brainwash> true
[17:19] <elfy> I had a bug with indicators - gets changed to pulseaudio - because apparently it wasn't running 
[17:19] <elfy> yes it was
[17:19] <elfy> obviously working fine in ubuntu - ignore that then
[17:20] <elfy> when I can be bothered I'll create ubuntu stick and see if I see the same
[17:20] <elfy> then critically fail and ubuntu test - people look at those :p
[17:21] <brainwash> the sad truth
[17:21] <elfy> so - ff36 isn't released to anything yet
[17:22] <brainwash> no, unless you use vivid-proposed or some ppa
[17:22] <elfy> it was working here in ff35 which I'd grabbed from proposed previously
[17:22] <elfy> then I saw 36 there and grabbed that one :)
[17:23] <brainwash> kinda strange, why do they skip 35...
[17:23] <brainwash> for -release
[17:23] <elfy> it was in proposed for vivid previous to last week
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> Evening.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> Anyone here who has a hand in lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings?
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> It works a treat in Ubuntu MATE and I'd like to include it.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg_> I understand it is not uploaded to universe yet.
[21:50] <flexiondotorg_> Do you need help with finding a sponsor for that or are there other reason why it has not yet been uploaded?
[21:50] <flexiondotorg_> ali1234, bluesabre ^^^^
[22:06] <slickymaster> knome, I think that the setence in line 242 of the guide-keeping-safe has to be rephrased
[22:06] <slickymaster> currently it reads: "Firewalls can be protect you against..."
[22:06] <slickymaster> that 'be' doesn't make sense and has to be removed
[22:14] <Unit193> Or add 'used', either way works.
[22:19] <slickymaster> damn it, I always forget to update the pot files
[22:20] <slickymaster> always end up pushing it twice, because of that :P
[22:44] <Unit193> elfy: xfce4-screenshooter in Ubuntu archives has imgur support now, in case you didn't know.
[23:05] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg_: currently lightdm-gtk-greeter and the related settings are getting some updates in preparation of 1.10/2.0
[23:06] <bluesabre> we were wanting to get it to debian and then ubuntu, but with debian in freeze, it would go directly to ubuntu
[23:06] <bluesabre> we hope to have it in universe this cycle
[23:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: If it doesn't exist in Debian already, then there's not really a problem.
[23:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, only a few Xfce applications had that autostart bit, so not sure what the deal is.  xfce4-settings, which builds fine, doesn't.
[23:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: do we have to ping someone who can accept xubu default settings into trusty-proposed?
[23:24] <brainwash> and what about utopic? is it first trusty, wait for verification, then utopic?