=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [08:21] have we done something with xdg-open or something - hexchat suddenly trying and failing to open urls in a new browser :( [08:25] 2015-01-22 [08:26] What's the session log say? [08:27] which log? [08:28] .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log [08:30] nothing useful - just a bunch of mousepad stuff [08:31] OK. [08:31] 22nd sounds about right for it changing [08:35] bbl [10:44] elfy: use exo-open :) [10:45] there's bug 1388922 [10:45] bug 1388922 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "xdg-open doesn't properly detect XFCE DE" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1388922 [10:54] elfy: xdg-utils package has been updated. now the blanking timeout reset bug should be fixed. please test! [11:03] Unit193: any idea how to make debian package a new xdg-utils build? [11:04] it seems somewhat stupid to use the current ubuntu package and add all these upstream patches [11:05] so, we need something fresh which could be synced from debian [11:26] elfy: did you get a chance to take abiword from -staging for a spin? If you approve, I'll sync the updated package tonight [11:46] bluesabre: can you review https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11293 please? this bug seems to break one of the iso test cases [11:46] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11293 in MIME-type editor "MIME type change incorrectly shows as Default" [Minor,New] [11:48] that looks like a good patch [11:49] I'll merge that one in tonight, and add it to the package [11:49] thanks :) [11:50] Unit193: good find, I'll also do that tonight [11:51] also, uploaded your screenshooter [11:53] glad I didn't have internet over the weekend to finish my blog post, seems we have plenty more new things landing in xfce-land [12:44] brainwash: that bug is old - this is new behaviour that'd turned up in the last few days - must have been caused by something [12:46] bluesabre: appears to be ok here [12:46] elfy: old but still valid. for example, xdg-screensaver is not able to detect Xfce, so it falls back to "other DE" [12:46] right - your not understanding what I am saying [12:46] hexchat opened url's fine [12:47] something - that is NOT hexchat must have changed [12:47] I understand what you are saying [12:47] then sending me looking at old info isn't helping [12:47] all of the sudden it stopped working [12:47] but the linked bug is old [12:51] well, if we just updated the package, and the breakage is new, its an issue with the new package... so what changed that affects xfce and related component detection [12:51] if suddenly something stops working and there's been no change in that package - the bug is something that has turned up recently - not last November [12:51] and re parole setting screen blank, that appears sorted :) [12:51] brainwash: did we change something with "Other DE"? Chances are there was something specific there that made things work a bit better. [12:52] if you can't find anything, I'll try to find time to diff utopic and vivid versions and see if anything jumps out at me [12:56] url's from other things like tbird open properly [12:56] just fyi [12:57] disconnect [12:58] ? [12:58] though generally I feel like that - not sure it's going to help with this :) [12:59] this isn't something that's happened today - but daily for a few days - and I've been disconnected from here in between times [12:59] I missed the previous message(s) [12:59] before "just fyi" [13:00] not sure when I first noticed - possibly Friday, more likely Saturday [13:01] the xdg-utils package was indeed updated, but no one touched the xdg-open part [13:05] elfy: a simple test would be to execute xdg-open manually, like "xdg-open " [13:06] well that works fine - didn't think it wouldn't [13:06] as I said url's work from tbird - it's seemingly hexchat which is causing me a problem [13:08] bug 1408156 [13:08] bug 1408156 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "links on chat contained on full quotes fail to open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408156 [13:08] brainwash: again - old [13:09] hmm yeah [13:09] if there's a bug from a day or two ago - then I'd be happy - but this has JUST started here - it was fine :) [13:09] sadly there is none [13:09] anyway - bbl - just my cuppa break :) [13:09] bye [13:10] brainwash: well I'm not sad so much as this has obviously been broken for me really recently - so should be able to track it down [13:10] at least hopefully :D === bob is now known as Guest72140 [14:44] elfy: just tested it myself, clicking some URL in the chat window or passing it to /url just opens an empty firefox window [14:45] however, it works fine when running the unity session [14:45] and xdg-open is not involved at all [16:09] brainwash: so what is involved then - because it's obviously not just a hexchat issue [16:10] thanks for looking too :) [16:15] elfy: not just? [16:17] I'd assume that hexchat is doing something weird [16:17] yea - how can it be just hexchat - it was working fine previously and hexchat hasn't had an update [16:18] hexchat is our only hint [16:18] not quite :) [16:19] it was working fine last week is another one ;) [16:19] ah, yeah [16:19] believe me I would have said something before :) [16:19] did we change any environmental vars? [16:19] I'm constantly clicking links in this channel :D [16:20] well.... apt does some logging [16:20] you will have to check which packages have been updated [16:20] last changelog for hexchat in vivid - 16 Nov [16:21] yes, I mean what has been updated last week [16:21] yea - was just going for easier options first [16:21] yep I realise that brainwash :) [16:22] my test system runs several DEs, so it could take some time find any hints [16:22] tons of packages are updated on a regular basis [16:23] I'll get some idea of what's been updated here last week first [16:23] great :) [16:23] started this morning with what I did - just in case someone like Unit193 or bluesabre had an idea of a likely candidate [16:48] elfy: exp-open just opens a firefox window too [16:48] ^ exo-open [16:48] just started xchat - opens a url properly [16:50] I changed my browser and it works now in hexchat and with exo-open [16:50] did you update firefox to version 36 (-proposed)? [16:50] yea [16:50] same [16:50] I was just pondering that actually [16:50] so something changed in firefox [16:51] I'll just purge that [16:52] yep [16:52] that's the issue \o/ [16:53] just came across it in the list I'm fiddling with :) [16:58] I just need to remember to not let it update that then in time [16:58] what about filing a report? [16:59] because as soon as it's noticed that it's from proposed in vivid it'll get ignored [17:01] got enough ignored bug reports for now :) [17:02] I'd assume that this bug will affect every Xfce user once they update firefox to version 36 [17:03] probably [17:03] lets wait and see :D [17:03] :) [17:03] at least we know now it's not us :p [17:04] not sure if I can recover my firefox bugzilla login details [17:05] not sure, xdg-open works fine, but exo-open does not anymore [17:05] maybe it has to be fixed in Xfce [17:06] one of these rare cases which no one notices until it breaks [17:09] possible [17:10] not really sure what to report it against there tbh [17:11] firefox + exo (+ hexchat) [17:11] just add them all [17:13] to the comment? [17:14] or do you mean reporting on mozilla's bug tracker? [17:14] not doing that :) [17:14] I'd have to make an account to do it [17:14] I was thinking about adding all these packages to the lp report [17:14] what LP report? [17:14] affects list [17:15] the report which you gonna create :) [17:15] I already said I'm not going to create another LP report that'll get ignored ... [17:15] I'd report one to xfce exo [17:16] yeah, sounds fine [17:16] ideally someone should test with trusty + firefox 36 [17:17] but no one here runs trusty anymore... or? [17:17] if as you say it works in unity then frankly most of the time that's all anyone looking at LP cares about [17:17] unless it's one of our things and someone here is dealing with it [17:17] I do care about Xfce reports on lp =S [17:18] we do generally - but as soon as it's got something else like ff then *they* don't [17:18] the mozilla guys are probably not monitoring lp anyway [17:18] you know exactly what I mean [17:19] true [17:19] I had a bug with indicators - gets changed to pulseaudio - because apparently it wasn't running [17:19] yes it was [17:19] obviously working fine in ubuntu - ignore that then [17:20] when I can be bothered I'll create ubuntu stick and see if I see the same [17:20] then critically fail and ubuntu test - people look at those :p [17:21] the sad truth [17:21] so - ff36 isn't released to anything yet [17:22] no, unless you use vivid-proposed or some ppa [17:22] it was working here in ff35 which I'd grabbed from proposed previously [17:22] then I saw 36 there and grabbed that one :) [17:23] kinda strange, why do they skip 35... [17:23] for -release [17:23] it was in proposed for vivid previous to last week [21:49] Evening. [21:49] Anyone here who has a hand in lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings? [21:49] It works a treat in Ubuntu MATE and I'd like to include it. [21:49] I understand it is not uploaded to universe yet. [21:50] Do you need help with finding a sponsor for that or are there other reason why it has not yet been uploaded? [21:50] ali1234, bluesabre ^^^^ [22:06] knome, I think that the setence in line 242 of the guide-keeping-safe has to be rephrased [22:06] currently it reads: "Firewalls can be protect you against..." [22:06] that 'be' doesn't make sense and has to be removed [22:14] Or add 'used', either way works. [22:19] damn it, I always forget to update the pot files [22:20] always end up pushing it twice, because of that :P [22:44] elfy: xfce4-screenshooter in Ubuntu archives has imgur support now, in case you didn't know. [23:05] flexiondotorg_: currently lightdm-gtk-greeter and the related settings are getting some updates in preparation of 1.10/2.0 [23:06] we were wanting to get it to debian and then ubuntu, but with debian in freeze, it would go directly to ubuntu [23:06] we hope to have it in universe this cycle [23:10] bluesabre: If it doesn't exist in Debian already, then there's not really a problem. [23:11] bluesabre: Also, only a few Xfce applications had that autostart bit, so not sure what the deal is. xfce4-settings, which builds fine, doesn't. [23:23] bluesabre: do we have to ping someone who can accept xubu default settings into trusty-proposed? [23:24] and what about utopic? is it first trusty, wait for verification, then utopic?