[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Cake Day! :-D
[10:04] <dpm> davidcalle, guide looking great, added a bunch of comments
[10:04] <davidcalle> dpm, awesome, thanks :)
[10:08] <dpm> popey, http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/core-apps-sponsoring/ looking good, but there are quite a few old MPs. Perhaps they just need cleaning up? Some might even be obsolete
[10:09] <popey> dpm: yeah, there's a few I need to remove that are obsolete. will do
[10:09] <dpm> nice
[10:23] <popey> dpm: the music app spanish translations (and probably other languages too) are too long for the various fields.
[10:23] <popey> Suspect many translators never test on device (they won't have krillin) and probably don't test in emulator either
[10:23] <popey> but just assume translation being correct in launchpad = job done, which is entirely fair.
[10:24] <dpm> popey, do you have an example of the translations that don't fit?
[10:24] <popey> see http://i.imgur.com/EST0Ryo.png & http://i.imgur.com/GE1k6Un.png & http://i.imgur.com/2yb6OZT.png
[10:25] <dpm> popey, yeah, but there is not much we can do in those cases. For Catalan I used abreviations for _some_ of those, but it's still not optimal
[10:25] <dpm> popey, the best thing, short of testing, is to add translator comments
[10:25] <dpm> E.g on http://i.imgur.com/EST0Ryo.png
[10:26] <popey> good point
[10:26] <dpm> the code could say: "TRANSLATORS: this appears in a button that is only 12 characters wide on a Nexus 4"
[10:26] <dpm> or something along those lines
[10:26] <popey> ok, yes.
[10:26] <popey> ta
[10:27] <dpm> or if we want to keep it more generic, "TRANSLATORS: this appears in a button with limited space (ca. 10 characters)"
[10:27] <dpm> ok
[10:30] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi
[10:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hi
[10:31] <mivoligo> mzanetti: you did the button the wrong way :D
[10:31] <mzanetti> meh
[10:32] <mzanetti> really?
[10:32] <mivoligo> it should show the action which happen after pressing it, like play/pause and 1x/2x
[10:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: might be because I the way named them :D
[10:33] <mivoligo> *the way I named them
[10:36] <mzanetti> hmm...ok. will fix
[10:43] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, Ping! Did you manage to get some time to check it out, or has murphy's law swamped you with a critical bug? :)
[10:53] <AkivaAvraham> zbenjamin, ^
[10:59] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  i am here with you..
[10:59] <AkivaAvraham> pong
[11:00] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, anyways I'm happy to give you some more time; I understand your busy so just let me know
[11:00] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  The idea would be to move the tests to the run configurations
[11:00] <AkivaAvraham> okay sec
[11:01] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  so when the project is loaded the AP tests get discovered and injected to the run configurations. the developer can simple select the test and hit the Run button to execute them
[11:01] <AkivaAvraham> okay sec, I think I understand
[11:01] <AkivaAvraham> creating a screenie
[11:03] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, http://i.imgur.com/mdmL5o1.png  so...
[11:03] <AkivaAvraham> are you talking about the run down on the bottom left? That pressing play would run all the tests from that menu
[11:04] <AkivaAvraham> or the run in the project configuration, on the top highlight?
[11:05] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  neither :) the "run configuration" in the middle
[11:05] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, okay... but do you want the tests on that page that is shown in a list?
[11:06] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  yes... so the user can choose what run configration to use when the green triangle is pushed ... it could be the app run what runs the app or it can be the test_1 ap test of the app
[11:07] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, okay I am almost with you,
[11:08] <AkivaAvraham> so its like this: You want to work on a test. So, you go to the run config, checkmark the test in question. Then, whenever run is executed, it runs that test.
[11:17] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, You effectively want something like this: http://i.imgur.com/r2AXfdj.png
[11:18] <AkivaAvraham> Expanding that will give you a list of autopilot tests. You can select a bunch, and clicking run, will run the tests you selected. If you do not select any; no tests will run at all; just the app.
[11:18] <AkivaAvraham> I think thats a pretty good idea
[11:22] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham: as long you can select it from the Kit selector above the Run button
[11:23] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, okay, so you will have run regular, and run tests.
[11:23] <AkivaAvraham> run *selected tests.
[11:24] <AkivaAvraham> default is to run all
[11:26] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, one question; where do you want stdout to be put? A QMessageBox, in "3 | Application Output" or "10 | Test Output"?
[11:27] <AkivaAvraham> I do it in a QMessageBox atm, just because its the easiest.
[11:29] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  as it is a "run" output I would put it to the Application Output... definetly not to a dialog
[11:29] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, so keep it simple, and have it in the existing Application Output? Not in its own seperate "Test Output"?
[11:32] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  yes, the application output is fine...as it is in fact the output of the application what we run :)
[11:33] <AkivaAvraham> okay well do. One last question, i'll ask in a minute
[11:59] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, so essentially this: http://i.imgur.com/Z4TPN9o.png
[12:02] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  yes
[12:02] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan, okay I know what I got to do then. Wish me luck :)
[12:02] <bzoltan> AkivaAvraham:  I wish you luck :)
[12:02] <AkivaAvraham> \o/
[13:11] <AkivaAvraham> Okay I am getting tired of the hundreds of bug mail i'm receiving from the core apps that I'm not currently active in. How do I unsubscribe, because It does not say I am subscribed when I go to the lp page.
[13:12] <AkivaAvraham> mmmm sec
[13:16] <AkivaAvraham> nope still can't figure it out.
[13:18] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: Same problem here...
[13:18] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, ;_;
[13:20] <nikwen> It seems like we can't unsubscribe because the teams which we are indirectly members of are subscribed to the project. There'd need to be the option not to receive the messages from a specific team...
[13:20] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, Yes, this is what I am seeing too
[13:20] <AkivaAvraham> Email: None, members emailed directly
[13:21] <AkivaAvraham> and I am merely an inderect member of ubuntu clock devs
[13:21] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, maybe we need to file a bug
[13:22] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: You're akiva on Launchpad, aren't you?
[13:22] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, indeed
[13:22] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, your not nik90  right?
[13:22] <AkivaAvraham> https://launchpad.net/~nikwen
[13:22] <AkivaAvraham> ah
[13:22] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: No, I'm nikwen on Launchpad as well. Nekhelesh aka nik90 is someone else. ;)
[13:23] <nikwen> You're an indirect member of a lot of teams via the Core Apps Test Writers team. (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-test-writers/+participation)
[13:23] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, any idea where launchpad's code is hosted?
[13:23] <AkivaAvraham> yes :P
[13:23] <nikwen> https://launchpad.net/launchpad seems to work. ;)
[13:23] <AkivaAvraham> ah
[13:24] <AkivaAvraham> oh god, 4799 bugs outstanding :o
[13:24] <AkivaAvraham> seem to be active though;
[13:24] <AkivaAvraham> okay i'm reporting a bug
[13:25] <nikwen> Seems so. There's a bug which is related (but not the same): https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/741028
[13:25] <nikwen> Please post the link to the bug.
[13:25] <AkivaAvraham> will do
[13:25] <nikwen> Thanks. :)
[13:32] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, http://i.imgur.com/OxnPr2m.png I believe that should explain it
[13:33] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: Yes, it really should. My inbox looks similar.
[13:33] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, so if you don't want to receive spam; don't contribute to the core apps ever ! :P
[13:34] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham :D
[13:34] <justCarakas1> so I made a good choice there :D
[13:36] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1415036
[13:36] <AkivaAvraham> justCarakas1, lol :P
[13:36] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, please confirm ~
[13:40] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, make sure it says "this bug affects you" !
[13:40] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: Done. Thanks for filing the bug. :)
[13:40] <AkivaAvraham> np
[13:40] <nikwen> It says so. ;)
[13:40] <AkivaAvraham> ty for confirming i'm not insane
[13:40] <nikwen> You're welcome. ^^
[13:41] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, what are you working on these days btw?
[13:43] <justCarakas_lazy> AkivaAvraham: is this a better nick ? :p
[13:44] <AkivaAvraham> justCarakas_lazy, ha you seem to be more busy than me
[13:44] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: I'm working on a couple of patches. I have branches to be merged into the Ubuntu SDK, into the UI Toolkit and into the webbrowser. And I have a working branch for supporting compressed tars in the filemanager app.
[13:44] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: What's about you?
[13:44] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, oh neat; you are working on the ubuntu sdk too!
[13:44] <IAmNotIAm> and this one AkivaAvraham
[13:45] <AkivaAvraham> I'm working on a sdk plugin for autopilot3. Its already integrated into the hud, i'm now working towards this http://i.imgur.com/Z4TPN9o.png
[13:45] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: Well, it's the first contribution. I found it annoying that the "Build translations" menu entry doesn't work...
[13:45] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, oh I might be able to help you with that...
[13:46] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: The fix is ready, I'm just waiting for it to get merged. ;)
[13:46] <AkivaAvraham> I'm sort of groping with the plugin system too.
[13:46] <AkivaAvraham> ah
[13:46] <AkivaAvraham> :)
[13:46] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: Thanks for the offer though. ;)
[13:46] <nikwen> The screenshot you sent looks nice by the way.
[13:47] <AkivaAvraham> lol not really ~ but anyways if you run autopilot, you may find my plugin useful already. https://launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-autopilot
[13:48] <AkivaAvraham> nikwen, the filemanager app is a fun app to work on too. That tar feature will be much appreciated
[13:49] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, I think the coffee is getting to me ~
[13:49] <nikwen> AkivaAvraham: I've lately added support for tars and zips, now it's about adding tar.gz and tar.bzip2 support. The only thing I need to fix is the test case.
[13:50] <AkivaAvraham> someone bought me a coffee without asking me, and put a bunch of sugar in it. I dislike coffee, especially sugary coffee, but I feel bad for not drinking it. Now my chest hurts and I'm awake when I shouldnt be.
[13:51] <IAmNotIAm> If it is a comfort AkivaAvraham I have that a lot without coffee :) I avoid coffee and suger for that reason because it makes it worse :p
[13:52] <IAmNotIAm> AkivaAvraham: drink a lot of water :) that might get it out of your system
[13:52] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, in Canada, we have steeped tea, and its delicious. that is my choice of caffeine.
[13:52] <AkivaAvraham> hmmm good idea
[13:52] <IAmNotIAm> I actually like this nick :D
[13:53] <IAmNotIAm> when something goes wrong I can say well I am not I am :D
[13:53] <AkivaAvraham> this coffee though literally feels like a drug...
[13:53] <IAmNotIAm> wow, maybe it was drugged
[13:53] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, with caffeine!
[13:54] <IAmNotIAm> :p
[13:54] <IAmNotIAm> maybe extra caffeine ? :p
[13:55] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, its the sugar in it I think. I don't know how people can drink this regularly.
[13:55] <AkivaAvraham> anyways I should finish my work and call it a night
[13:57] <IAmNotIAm> well, your body gets used to it, and they get addicted
[13:58] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, do you eat a lot of sugar?
[13:58] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, I find I have a low tolerance for it these days
[13:58] <AkivaAvraham> after cutting down on it, I crave it way less.
[13:59] <IAmNotIAm> well, I had an extremely low tolerance, but thats why I slowely increased my suger input so I react less on it when I get too much sugar :)
[14:00] <AkivaAvraham> wow; never heard anyone do that intentionally.
[14:00] <IAmNotIAm> well I had it realy bad :)
[14:00] <AkivaAvraham> Frankly, I am scared stiff of diabetes. People who get it... its like an internal leprosy
[14:01] <AkivaAvraham> it just destroys every part of your body
[14:01] <AkivaAvraham> you won't be able to walk eventually
[14:01] <IAmNotIAm> true, but its not like you get it that easely :)
[14:01] <IAmNotIAm> and it is treatable :)
[14:01] <AkivaAvraham> I think you can get it easier than you think
[14:02] <AkivaAvraham> and treatable... its putting a needle inside you every day and constantly monitoring your sugar input. It sucks
[14:02] <AkivaAvraham> and I know many who got it without much of a warning
[14:02] <IAmNotIAm> yea, it sucks indeed, wow, I don't
[14:02] <IAmNotIAm> maybe it also depends on the region where you live and the sugar in the products
[14:09] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, don't take it lightly. I thought initially that diabetes was just about having to give yourself insulin, but it actually will destroy your ability to walk, write, and eventually will shut down your entire body.
[14:10] <IAmNotIAm> but it won't if you take your insuline
[14:10] <IAmNotIAm> but it is indeed not nice
[14:10] <IAmNotIAm> to have
[14:11] <IAmNotIAm> but there are a lot of things you can get, and if you constantly live in fear of that you also loose somethign
[14:11] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, it will if you take your insuline, just not as quickly
[14:12] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, true fair enough.
[14:13] <IAmNotIAm> I'm not going crazy with sugar :) don't worry :D and I still have a good BMI :)
[14:14] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, \o/
[14:14] <IAmNotIAm> I maybe work at sumo coders but I'm not over weight :D
[14:14] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, if I sound paranoid, its the coffee, seriously. I have never felt this wired.
[14:14] <AkivaAvraham> ha
[14:14] <IAmNotIAm> \o\ |o| /o/
[14:14] <AkivaAvraham> :D
[14:15] <IAmNotIAm> I know what it feels like :) I once was like that for 24 hours :)
[14:18] <IAmNotIAm> I hope it is soon out of your system :)
[14:18] <IAmNotIAm> more water AkivaAvraham
[14:19] <AkivaAvraham> I surprisingly don't have access to water atm
[14:19] <AkivaAvraham> except for warm bathroom tap water
[14:19] <AkivaAvraham> darn auto sinks
[14:22] <IAmNotIAm> ow, can't you buy a bottle of water ?
[14:23] <AkivaAvraham> IAmNotIAm, Iamnot made of money!
[14:27] <IAmNotIAm> look for someone who buys you water ? :D akiva-thinkpad or ask the one who gave the coffee:p
[14:27] <akiva-thinkpad> shes sleeping atm
[14:27] <akiva-thinkpad> I don't want to wake her
[14:28] <akiva-thinkpad> IAmNotIAm, okay time to go. See you around :D
[14:28] <IAmNotIAm> cya :)
[14:28] <akiva-thinkpad> I will be less wired next time
[14:28] <IAmNotIAm> haha :D
[14:29] <IAmNotIAm> and Ill be justCarakas again :p
[14:54] <dholbach> dbarth_, do we have the "new header" available in HTML5 too?
[14:55] <daker> dholbach: no yet :/
[14:55] <daker> not*
[14:56] <dholbach> ok, it's not bug 1294779
[14:56] <dholbach> ^ I guess this one can be closed, right?
[14:57] <daker> yes
[14:58] <dbarth_> daker: the one you had in malta; it was looking awesome
[14:58] <dbarth_> it's not the right one?
[14:58] <daker> dbarth_: yes
[14:58] <dholbach> dbarth_, bug 1292109 can be closed too, right?
[14:58] <daker> dbarth_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-html5-theme-devs/ubuntu-html5-theme/new-header/+merge/246618
[15:00] <justCarakas> daker, is the new header finished ?
[15:00] <dbarth_> let's land this baby!
[15:01] <daker> dbarth_: i just need some API feedback from Alex
[15:02] <justCarakas> so I'll finally be able to upgrade my app ?
[15:02] <justCarakas> will this be backported to rtm ?
[15:03] <dholbach> mhall119, what needs to be done to update the html5 api docs from trunk? (I'm asking because of bug 1315228)
[15:23] <dholbach> daker, I'm going to use your rss reader example for some html5 workshop materials, so we can add it to http://developer.ubuntu.com/community/training - I'll let you know if I'm going to make any changes or anything
[15:24] <sverzegnassi> Hi all! I need to load several images from a single QQuickImageProvider at the same time. Sadly, this is not possible since all the provider requests run in the single thread. Is this a good workaround, while waiting for QTBUG-37998 to be fixed? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9899358/
[15:35] <daker> dholbach: sure
[15:36] <dholbach> daker, it's a really nice example
[16:17] <daker> dholbach: thanks :)
[18:27] <bzoltan> dholbach:  do you know how to update a click packag inthe stpore what have longer name than 20 chars? If I rename my package to a shorter one then it fails...
[18:27] <dholbach> beuno: ^ can you help?
[18:28] <beuno> that is... unexpected
[18:28] <beuno> bzoltan, you have an existing app, longer than 20 chars
[18:28] <beuno> \
[18:28] <beuno> and it won't let you upload a new version?
[18:29] <bzoltan> beuno:  yes, the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery
[18:29] <beuno> bzoltan, that is a bug
[18:29] <dholbach> beuno, come on - don't be so mean to bzoltan - let his app into the store!
[18:29] <beuno> :)
[18:29] <beuno> so, two options
[18:29] <bzoltan> beuno: We can call it a bug too :)
[18:29] <beuno> you upload it as a new ap completely
[18:30] <bzoltan> beuno:  that would silly imho
[18:30] <dholbach> all right guys - I leave you to it - it's dinner time over here
[18:30] <dholbach> big hugs!
[18:30] <beuno> bzoltan, right, we'll fix the bug, but it'll take a day or two
[18:30] <bzoltan> beuno:  I would suggest to roll back the policy what is enforces this _non_ backward compatble restriction
[18:31] <beuno> bzoltan, yeah, of course
[18:31] <bzoltan> beuno:  I am not in hurry :) I can wait few days
[18:31] <beuno> bzoltan, cool, leave it with me
[18:31] <beuno> sorry about that
[18:31] <bzoltan> beuno:  thank you, no worres...
[18:52] <beuno> bzoltan, so
[18:52] <beuno> I think this is because you're changing the namespace
[18:52] <beuno> you have to uplaod with the old namespace
[18:52] <beuno> using the new namespace makes it a new package
[18:53] <beuno> which means, new rules apply
[18:53] <bzoltan> beuno: is not there a new name space policy?
[18:53] <beuno> bzoltan, yes, but there is no rename support
[18:53] <beuno> existing packges use existing namespaces
[18:54] <bzoltan> bzoltan:  OK... and it will not complain about the length of the package name
[18:54] <bzoltan> ?
[18:54] <bzoltan> beuno: ^
[18:54] <beuno> bzoltan, correct
[18:54] <t1mp> bzoltan: so new package for components gallery --> new t-shirt? ;)
[18:54] <bzoltan> t1mp: that campaign is over I guess :)
[18:57] <bzoltan> beuno:  is there a way to download to my desktop my app from the store... just a simple download
[18:57] <t1mp> I wish they had this one for men :) http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1159
[18:57] <beuno> bzoltan, you can from the app's page in myapps
[18:58] <bzoltan> beuno: how? I do not find the way
[18:59] <beuno> bzoltan, what URL are you on?
[18:59] <bzoltan> beuno: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/
[19:00] <beuno> bzoltan, so click on your app
[19:00] <bzoltan> beuno: did that
[19:00] <beuno> bzoltan, what URL is that?
[19:00] <bzoltan> beuno: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/ubuntu/1095/
[19:01] <beuno> bzoltan, so there's a "Download" fiald
[19:01] <bzoltan> beuno:  nopez
[19:02] <beuno> Download:
[19:02] <beuno>     com.ubuntu.developer.bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/com.ubuntu.developer.bzoltan.ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery_0.1_all.click
[19:02] <beuno> no?
[19:02] <beuno> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/1095/download/
[19:03] <bzoltan> beuno: thanks for the direct link... but there is no "Download" anywhere... dude :) you must have a special interface
[19:03] <beuno> odd
[19:03] <JamesTait> In the Technical Details section.
[19:47] <dubstar_04> has this page been replaced: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/current/Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts.manifest-files/ ?
[21:16] <rickspencer3> hey all, I noticed some apps have a sort of menu in the top right, you click on it and get a menu of actions
[21:16] <rickspencer3> anyone know what component that is?
[21:16] <rickspencer3> mhall119 ?
[21:39] <brendand> rickspencer3, should the ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[21:40] <rickspencer3> brendand, ?
[21:40] <rickspencer3> brendand, I'm looking for the name of the component to make those menus
[21:41] <brendand> rickspencer3, ah - me too :)
[21:41] <brendand> rickspencer3, for a second i thought you wanted to report a  bug
[21:44] <mhall119> rickspencer3: pong?
[21:44] <rickspencer3> hey mhall119
[21:45] <rickspencer3> I thought that you might be able to answer my questions due to your encycolpedic knowledge of the ubuntu components and your time zone :)
[21:45] <mhall119> heh
[21:45] <rickspencer3> I noticed some apps have a sort of menu in the top right, you click on it and get a menu of actions
[21:45] <mhall119> top right?
[21:46] <mhall119> from clicking on the hamburger icon in the Header?
[21:49] <mhall119> rickspencer3: like the one shown here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5svcj9qtukkt8o6/uReadIt-user.png?dl=0 /
[21:49] <rickspencer3> mhall119, hamburger icon - yeah :)
[21:49] <rickspencer3> mhall119, yup, that's it
[21:50] <mhall119> that's done by the UITK for you if you have a page with more action that it can show in the Header at the same time
[21:50] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadConfiguration/#actions-prop
[21:50] <mhall119> so on a phone, if you have more than 2 actions in your header, you'll get that
[21:51] <rickspencer3> interesting
[21:51] <rickspencer3> mhall119, my issue is really that the options I have are hard to explain without text
[21:51] <rickspencer3> so I'd like it just always be a menu
[21:51] <rickspencer3> I guess that's nor part of the API
[21:53] <mhall119> I don't think so, no
[21:54] <mhall119> maybe in a future version the 'preset' property can be used to force all actions into a menu
[21:54] <mhall119> zsombi: ^^ ?
[22:02] <mhall119> rickspencer3: you can set head.preset:"select" and it will show your action label below the icon, but it will also hide the page title component
[22:03] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[22:03] <rickspencer3> interesting
[22:03]  * rickspencer3 tries
[23:14] <mhall119> rickspencer3: did that get you any closer to what you wanted?
[23:14] <rickspencer3> hi mhall119 thanks for asking
[23:14] <rickspencer3> not really closer, no
[23:15] <rickspencer3> I'll figure something out