[20:23] <elfy> if there's someone here with access to the -irc mailing list - there's a mail from me to it that needs moderating please :)
[20:38] <Pici> elfy: I waved my magic wand at it
[20:39] <elfy> Pici: thanks :)
[20:39] <elfy> I assume you read it as well :D
[20:40] <Pici> I did indeed.
[20:41] <elfy> :)
[20:42] <Pici> Thanks for the help :)
[20:43] <elfy> welcome - I've done changes to the LP group, I've assumed that IRCC would want to do a community wide announcement to Fridge or something
[20:47] <Pici> Will do.  Doing some maintenance on the IRC side of things first though... also I suppose I'll need to update the mailing list as well.
[20:47] <elfy> have fun with that then :)
[20:48] <elky> holy crap i won outright how in hell lol
[20:49] <Fuchs> wat?
[20:49] <elfy> elky: :)
[20:50] <elky> Fuchs: irc council
[20:50] <Fuchs> my deepest sympathies :(
[20:50] <Fuchs> err
[20:50] <Fuchs> congratulations!
[20:52] <elky> haha
[20:53] <k1l_> too much el*y nicks for me in here ;p
[20:53] <elfy> well - congratulations to all concerned - you all got votes
[20:53] <elfy> k1l_: ha ha - I'm just going to take that as cue ...
[20:53] <elfy> to come back as hobgoblin next time :D
[20:53] <elfy> night all :)
[20:53] <elky> hehe goodnight and thanks
[20:54] <elfy> :)
[20:54] <k1l_> congrats elky, and Flannel
[20:55] <Fuchs> we're doomed. DOOMED.
[20:55] <elky> we were already doomed. now it's _comically_ doomed
[20:56] <Fuchs> oh, okay. who's the third poor soul,
[20:56] <elky> phunyguy
[20:56] <Fuchs> and why didn't I get a mail to vote as an irc member? *scratches head*
[20:56] <Fuchs> yeah, doomed it is.
[20:56] <elky> you're not an irc member i guess. i forget how one gets there too
[20:57] <elky> you probably need to be an ubuntu member first
[20:57] <Fuchs> I was pretty sure I was an IRC member, let me check
[20:57] <Pici> Trying to remember how to update the mailing list... for some reason this is always confusing to me.
[20:58] <k1l_> iirc you need to reactivate yourself once a year or so. if you forget to do that you get dropped
[20:58] <Fuchs> Ubuntu IRC members 	2012-05-31 	Member 	—
[20:58] <Fuchs> according to lolpad
[20:59] <elky> k1l_: yeah that happened to me. i didn't even get to vote for me
[20:59] <Pici> hrm
[20:59] <Fuchs> and I remember voting in the past as well
[21:01] <k1l_> you are in the list. maybe some old email or spam filters?
[21:01] <elky> it only gives you a week to renew. probably dropped while you were at bootcamp
[21:01] <Fuchs> elky: if it was dropped I wouldn't be listed as a member
[21:02] <elky> mine dropped while i was sick last year
[21:02] <Fuchs> let me check the e-mail, because it definitely wasn't spam filters
[21:02] <Fuchs> e-mail is correct as well
[21:10] <Fuchs> who should I bug about this to get it fixed?
[21:14] <elky> in this case, probably elfy
[21:14] <elky> is your email public on launchpad?
[21:15] <elky> the script can't get it if it's not
[21:15] <Fuchs> nope, but I can pm it to her if that helps
[21:15] <Fuchs> oh
[21:15] <Fuchs> that explains it, then. Hm. Not terribly happy with making my e-mail public, but I can use the membership one, can't I?  (the @ubuntu.com thingie)
[21:16] <elky> yeah, it should just point at your regular email
[21:16] <Fuchs> right, shall put that on and make that one public. Thanks :)
[21:19] <Fuchs> sounds like something that should be addressed to me though, I'm pretty sure not everybody feels good about putting an e-mail address up in public
[21:21] <elky> the "get the voters emails" script is not a function of launchpad. it uses the public api. launchpad would otherwise have to provide a method to certain people to access private information, which would be exactly as hilarious as it sounds
[21:22] <Fuchs> or just have a method to send e-mails to people of a certain group
[21:22] <elky> except you need to feed the emails to condorcet which canonical doesn't run
[21:23] <elky> it's a cobbled situation and i have no idea why it's preferred
[21:23] <Fuchs> so lolpad would need an own, decent voting solution?
[21:23] <elky> yes
[21:23] <Fuchs> would probably cover a couple of use cases. Hm.
[21:23] <elky> which it doesn't because there's no financial gain for putting the resources on it
[21:24] <elky> as with most defects and feature requests in launchpad
[21:24] <Fuchs> *sigh* ah well.
[21:24] <elky> and try as i may to contribute to launchpad, i never got a functional dev environment set up, and nor has anyone i know
[21:24] <Fuchs> rest assured I would have voted for you. And your hubs, just for hilarity
[21:24] <Fuchs> aww
[21:24] <elky> (who doesn't work for canonical)
[21:24] <Fuchs> well, thanks for the information :)
[21:25] <elky> yw
[21:25] <elky> in the future, sending a "hi, we just initiated voting, if you missed out, let us know" to the lp[ group would probably be nice though.
[21:26] <Fuchs> Yeah. As said, I do remember voting in the past  (and I don't remember ever making my e-mail address public, I am slightly worried about spam), so at one point they probably had something like that
[21:26] <elky> not sure how that works with subgroups, but this one in particular doesn' thave that many of those
[21:32] <phunyguy> wait, what?
[21:32] <phunyguy> what just happened?
[21:32] <phunyguy> I was highlighted
[21:32] <Fuchs> go back to sleep
[21:33] <phunyguy> oh, I see
[21:33]  * phunyguy sighs in relief.
[21:37] <phunyguy> congrats to elky and Flannel.  Muahahahaahaha
[23:07] <rww> Fuchs: I'm only skimming, but setting your @ubuntu.com email as your primary LP email account if you did that is a Very Bad Idea
[23:08] <rww> since Canonical uses the primary LP email address as the target for your @ubuntu.com email, so... yeah
[23:08] <Fuchs> rww: no, I just recently did that, as in: today, after I was being told that the e-mail has to be public
[23:08] <Fuchs> rww: any better suggestions that don't involve giving an actual e-mail address of me to the public?
[23:09] <rww> iirc "public" is "public to logged in LP users", for a start
[23:09] <rww> for a second, people running CIVS elections in Ubuntu should provide an option for people to request a ballot. i think this is a Do Better Next Time thing
[23:10] <rww> ("I sent out ballots to everyone whose email address I could find. If you didn't get one, email me" type message, as discussed above)
[23:10] <Fuchs> rww: I still dislike that, since creating a lolpad account (and using that to harvest) is trivial and can be mostly automatized
[23:10] <rww> I know
[23:10] <Fuchs> rww: so I agree with your and your better half's analyse of the situation, and probably re-set my old e-mail, but not public
[23:11] <rww> I note that were I going to spam Launchpad accounts I'd grab GPG keys too, and yours has your email address publicly available
[23:11] <rww> the usual script for snarfing emails from LP used to do that, in fact. i gather this broke at some point.
[23:12] <Fuchs> rww: not one bound to that, mind
[23:13] <Fuchs> also thank you lolpad for sending out two e-mails when I add a new address, I'm sure that's very much needed  (probably even a third after confirmation)
[23:13] <rww> ENOPARSE on your first reply
[23:14] <Fuchs> yeah, I should probably head to bed before I start writing gibberish only
[23:14] <Unit193> I do that, the gibberish part.  Sleep well!
[23:15] <Fuchs> indeed, bed it is. Nighty night all :)