[04:29] <bduk> Morning everyone
[04:31] <Kilos> hi bduk  and others
[04:31]  * Kilos bows to inetpro
[04:32] <Kilos> hehe
[04:39] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[04:40] <Tonberry_> more
[04:45] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[05:10] <mazal> More oom
[05:15] <Kilos> sjoe hulle maak my hard werk die mense man
[05:17] <bduk> Hoekom so oom Kilos 
[05:17] <Kilos> nuwe mission is om all die linux gebruikers in afrika te lienk met ons
[05:19] <bduk> ish is daar 'n manier om te help?
[05:20] <Kilos> net kontacte kry orals
[05:22] <Kilos> ek het nairobi en die congo
[05:33] <superfly> Kilos: it doesn't have to happen right now, don't rush 
[05:34] <Kilos> hi superfly  it helps keep my mind off the membership thing
[05:34] <Kilos> hehe
[05:34] <superfly> You don't have to get everyone on board immediately 
[05:35] <Kilos> yip 2 is good for now i think
[06:21]  * stickyboy grumbles.
[06:21] <stickyboy> My ISP is filtering TCP 1337 on my server.
[06:22] <Kilos> morning stickyboy  
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:22] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:22] <Kilos> you fixed it
[06:22] <Kilos> well done
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yay me
[06:22] <Kilos> haha
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea what i fixed but i'll take the credit
[06:23] <Kilos> one login and cloaked already
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll give you my ip, who cares? :P
[06:24] <Kilos> na i wouldnt know what to do with it
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> nothing
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's why i don't care :)
[06:24] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <Kilos> it just uses 2 or three less lines here so less to scrollback when looking for something
[06:25] <Kilos> :)
[06:26] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[06:27] <gremble> Good morning Kilos 
[06:29] <stickyboy> Morning, Kilos.
[06:29] <stickyboy> Anyone like reading about OPSEC / COMSEC?
[06:29] <gremble> Comsec should be interesting
[06:30] <stickyboy> grugq's slides are awesome and hilarious: https://grugq.github.io/presentations/COMSEC%20beyond%20encryption.pdf
[06:38] <gremble> "Run slowly and learn to speak bear"
[06:38] <gremble> I like that
[06:38] <gremble> xD
[06:49] <stickyboy> Also, someone should compile Pond and post a howto.
[06:49] <stickyboy> https://pond.imperialviolet.org/
[06:49] <gremble> Why not you?
[06:50] <stickyboy> gremble: I'm just throwing ideas out there.
[06:50] <stickyboy> I post the most stuff of anyone I know. :)
[06:51] <stickyboy> https://mjanja.ch/ <--- blogging all teh time, yo.
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone running good deals on UPS'?
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to get a little one just for my pc
[07:38] <Kilos> hi Kerbero  
[07:38] <Kerbero> more oom kilos
[07:40] <Kilos> EATON 600VA LINE INTERACTIVE R489 + vat
[07:41] <Kilos> EATON 1200VA LINE INTERACTIVE UPS R799+ vat
[07:45] <Kilos> 2 year warranty
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> so my pc has a 90W power brick, how do i know what VA rating I need to keep that running for up to 4 hours or so?
[07:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:50] <Kilos> inetpro  weet jy hoe om dit uit te werk
[07:51] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  whats a power brick?
[07:51] <Kilos> psu?
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> A/C adapter thing like you have with a laptop
[07:51] <Kilos> oh
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't have a normal pc PSU, just the power brick which feeds 12V directly onto the board
[07:52] <Kilos> wow
[07:53] <Kilos> methinks its not the 12v needs that drain ups but the screen
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't need the ups for that
[07:53] <Kilos> should run long without screen working
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just want the pc staying on because frequent unexpected reboots are bad for it
[07:53] <Kilos> you want to supply 220 to the brick?
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:54] <Kilos> ah
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> this shouldn't be such a hard thing to find out o_O
[07:55] <Kilos> hehe i would measure the current drain on the mains when pc working then work it out from there
[07:55] <Kilos> because thats the darian you are going to put on the ups
[07:55] <Kilos> drain
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah not doing that
[07:57] <Kilos> so, your pc only gets 12v
[07:58] <Kilos> then its easier to check out
[07:59] <Kilos> connect pc to car battery and see how long it takes to drop to 11v
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> look, I'm not an electrical engineer and I don't intend to become one, I'm just trying to find out what to look for to power a 90W device for at least 4 hours
[08:00] <Kilos> there was a formula
[08:00] <Kilos> v=i/r
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> when I buy a car I don't need to learn the finer technical detail of how its engine and transmission work, i just want to say to the guy "hey give me a car that can drive at highway speed and maybe tow up to 500KG from time to time"
[08:01] <Kilos> and whats is volts x amps
[08:01] <Kilos> hehe
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind you are not listening as usual
[08:01] <Kilos> good luck then
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok, so VA rating has to do with instantaneous power load capability, nothing to do with how long it will run
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> so its not possible to make a runtime calculator because it varies with each model
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can have 2 1kVA UPS', but different runtime because of larger capacity batteries
[08:05] <Kilos> yes but then you can see when you divide that watts needed into the watts available
[08:06] <Kilos> yip the battery is the heart
[08:06] <SilverCode> is anyone else having issues with sasl authentication when connecting to freenode?
[08:06] <Kilos> i cant login using it SilverCode  
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't understand what you just said, sorry :-/
[08:06] <Kilos> need to turn it off
[08:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:07] <Kilos> lemme think a bit
[08:07] <Kilos> these memories go back 40 years
[08:07] <Kilos> you draw 90w
[08:09] <Kilos> i think the 600 v/a job should make 4 hours
[08:09] <SilverCode> it
[08:09] <Kilos> lets think more
[08:11] <SilverCode> ok, looks like it was an encryption issue. Switching from blowfish to plain fixed auth problems ... not happy doing it this way, but better than manually authenticating with Nickserv
[08:11] <Kilos> yeah
[08:13] <gremble> I recall reading somewhere that blowfish with freenode is deprecated. They use aes or something now
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i just said you can't work it out like that
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> 600VA has to do with the load it can handle, it says nothing about how long you can handle that load for
[08:15] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Have a look at this: https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BX1100CI-ZA&total_watts=200&tab=models
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> it can be 600VA bit with only 5 minutes runtime or it can be 600VA with 5 hours runtime, you won't know until you delve deeper into the product description
[08:15] <Kilos> ok
[08:16] <mazal> At the bottom it shows a graph of watts / minutes uptime for that 1.1kva ups
[08:16] <mazal> I found that when I was looking for a ups for my pc. That specific one will for axample keep an 90w device up for onlu about 80minutes
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, that's what i'm saying, each model will have a graph that looks different
[08:16] <mazal> All UPS's should have a graph like that to help you
[08:17] <mazal> And then the additional battery options comes greatly into effect
[08:17] <Kilos> ty mazal  
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> it looks like i should just get a cheap one that can signal the pc when the power is off so that it can initiate a proper shutdown
[08:18] <mazal> Personally I was VERY dissapointed in how weak UPS's is. That specific one can only keep my pc alive for 2 minutes
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> running it for 4 hours may turn out to be too expensive
[08:18] <mazal> If you want hours of lifetime you will need to invest very heavily in big ones with lots of batteries
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i think the cheaper end are really only meant to give you some time to shut down properly
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh well
[08:19] <Kilos> wb octoquad  
[08:19] <mazal> Is very expensive. So much so that I abandoned my plan due to insufficient funds
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> what make/model do you have and how does it signal the pc? usb?
[08:20] <mazal> I didn't buy it in the end. Not worth it for just 2 minutes and the longer ones too expensive
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> only kind of connection i have on that is usb, and its a linux server
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll ask on a mailing list
[08:22] <mazal> Just for my two pc's I would have had to buy 2 , one for each. And that would have cost me alot. And then just 2 minutes is barely enough just to get one machine shut down :(
[08:23] <mazal> How did you meassure the 90w ?
[08:23] <mazal> That sounds very low ?
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's what it says on it
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> its basically the same as a laptop's power brick
[08:24] <mazal> Did you take into account the power supply proficiency rating ?
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> I am not an electrical engineer, this stuff shouldn't be so hard
[08:26] <mazal> Power supplies have a proficiency rating , depending on the quality of the power supply.
[08:26] <mazal> Usually they are rated between 50% and 90%
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew people are quite deaf in here today
[08:26] <Kilos> rofl
[08:26] <mazal> What this basically means , lets say you pc uses 100w , and your power supply has a rating of 80%
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't care about that, I shouldn't need to and I don't want to
[08:27] <mazal> This is important
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> no it isn't
[08:27] <mazal> In that example , it means that the power supply actually takes an extra 20% from the socket
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> imagine if you had to learn the technical details of everything you used in your daily life
[08:27] <mazal> IE , you need to add that in your estimates and measurements
[08:28] <mazal> So in that example , the pc will use 120w from the wall/ups , not 100w
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.wootware.co.za/apc-bx650ci-za-back-ups-650-va-230-v-with-avr.html
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> R1,234 and can only manage about an hour :-/
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> the control interface is USB though and there are a few linux packages that can be used to trigger shutdown
[08:40] <gremble> Aren't UPS'es more for controlled shutdown than keeping a computer running?
[08:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah it seems that even with a small load around 100W, the cheaper end will only run for an hour or so
[08:47] <mazal> Ya nee , that's what I also discovered :(
[08:53] <Kilos> pc stuff is all about how much you are willing to spend
[09:36] <mazal> Oh man I missed my Kubuntu this weekend
[09:36] <mazal> So nice to work on it again :)
[09:36] <Kilos> why
[09:36] <mazal> Don't have it at home oom
[09:36] <Kilos> oh you were afk
[09:36] <Kilos> well thats easy to cure
[09:36] <mazal> Uhm....not so easy at it sounds lol
[09:37] <mazal> Was thinking again this morning what I can do.
[09:37] <Kilos> man its just you okes and your games that make things difficult
[09:37] <mazal> What can I do , I have so many of them , can't just gooi it in the bin :(
[09:37] <Kilos> otherwise very simple, boot from live iso and say delete and install
[09:38] <Kilos> actually invest in a second pc just for gaming
[09:38] <mazal> I can make my server my main pc , but then I loose my server
[09:39] <Kilos> decisions decisions
[09:39] <mazal> All because of one idiots stupid decision a year ago to go over to pc gaming.
[09:41] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <stickyboy> Do people in ZA say "Lie-nucks" instead of "Lee-nucks" like they do here in KE?
[09:48] <mazal> I say "Lie-nucks"
[09:48] <mazal> Is "Lee-nucks" more correct ?
[09:48] <Kilos> linux
[09:48] <Kilos> lie as in lie down
[09:49] <stickyboy> mazal: Yah, it's lee-nucks.
[09:49] <Kilos> haha in whose opinion
[09:49] <stickyboy> Leeenus Torvalds
[09:50] <Kilos> oh i didnt know that
[09:50] <stickyboy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0
[09:50] <Kilos> but whatever you call it is irelevant as long as you keep using it
[09:50] <stickyboy> Linus Torvalds explains... :D
[09:50] <stickyboy> Kilos: I know :)
[09:50] <stickyboy> But anyways, fun fact.
[09:50] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <Kilos> yeah ty for that
[09:57] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy, mazal: A UPS is not a battery, and that is where you're making the mistake. You need to pair the two
[09:59] <mazal> Yeah , but the costs is to big
[09:59] <mazal> Well for me it was
[10:00] <mazal> One needs to add the battery packs expansions
[10:11] <superfly> mazal: I'm not saying it's cheap, just pointing out why you can't find a UPS that'll last longer than a few minutes.
[10:14] <stickyboy> True dat.
[10:14] <stickyboy> Stop gaming. :D
[10:14] <mazal> superfly: Yeah I realize that. In my case I was just dissapointed that even the 1.1kv one couldn't even give me just 10 minutes without battery expansions
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:15] <superfly> mazal: they're not supposed to
[10:15] <Kilos> eskom moved to stage b2 loadshedding sigh
[10:15] <Squirm> morning
[10:15] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[10:15] <superfly> that's an added bonus. they're supposed to make sure that your power is smooth while its on
[10:16] <mazal> superfly: That was my main thing I needed. But wanted at least enough time to get to the pc and shut it down as well
[10:18] <mazal> On my specific setup , and according to their time graph , I would have only 2 minutes. Not enough
[10:19] <Kilos> sudo shutdown -h now
[10:20] <Kilos> with windows you can set it to not shutdown so fast mazal  
[10:20] <mazal> Kilos: if you happen to be busy with anything else at the time your not going to make it. If you happen to be on the pc at the moment it's ok. But even if you are just in the bathroom when it happens 2 minutes won't be enough
[10:21] <Kilos> you need as serial cable looks like and the install disk that can with the ups
[10:21] <Kilos> yip 2 mins is min
[10:22] <Kilos> try this sudo shutdown -h now and save what i was busy with
[10:22] <Kilos> hehe
[10:22] <Squirm> Load Shedding Stage 2... Our stage 2 slot was from 10h00 to 12h30, we're still online so we are safe today :D
[10:22] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <Kilos> each city now decides what and when
[10:23] <Squirm> Kilos: sort of
[10:23] <Squirm> well, I think they choose the when, maybe not the what
[10:23] <Kilos> haha
[10:24] <Squirm> My laptop is suffering under the load :/
[10:24] <Kilos> my stupid ups shutdown immediately, battery tired methinks but more important things needed 
[10:25] <Kilos> battery prices have gone mad
[10:25] <Squirm> Kilos: take your battery to a place like battery centre. Get discounts on a swap too :P I have a feeling they were about R700 last time I went
[10:25] <Squirm> But that was pre-load shedding
[10:27] <mazal> Squirm: The problem with those idiots schedules is that it has not been correct a single day once where I live. Have no idea how to plan cos their stuff is not correct :(
[10:27] <Squirm> mazal: They've been good with us
[10:27] <Squirm> They either stick to the schedule, or we don't get load shed
[10:28] <mazal> And once again we get the worst slot. 20:00 to 22:30 :( The absolute worst time of the day for that crap
[10:28] <mazal> Well , that is if it will be occording to their schedules
[10:29] <Squirm> We had that slot last night
[10:29] <Squirm> went off for 2 hours
[10:29] <mazal> Makes me angry when citizens have to pay for incompetance 
[10:29] <mazal> We have to sit in the dark cos they can't do their work
[10:30] <Kilos> now now
[10:30] <Kilos> getting angry doesnt help
[10:31] <Kilos> you just get ulcers\
[10:31] <Kilos> geeting angry is only good if there is someone to hit
[12:49] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless
[12:54] <stickyboy> Anyone on Pond?
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've been IN pond, but not so much ON
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tend to sink
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe i'm doing it wrong
[13:22] <gremble> I want do be on Pond, Amelia Pond
[13:34] <Kilos> ohi nlsthzn  
[13:35] <stickyboy> ThatGraemeGuy: It's a secure messaging application
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh great, another one
[13:39] <stickyboy> ThatGraemeGuy: It's real.
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm sure its as real as all the other ones
[13:40] <stickyboy> I figured you'd say that.
[13:40] <nlsthzn> now if only I could see what I got pinged in Hexchat in Ubuntu :/ oh well hi uncle Kilos , others :)
[14:09] <Kilos> lets try not forget we have our monthly meet here tonight at 20.30
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmmmmmm meat
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> food lovers market has a good deal on steaks
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmmmmmmmmmm steeeeaaaak
[14:15] <Kilos> lol
[14:15] <Kilos> twit
[14:31]  * nlsthzn will see how it goes closer to 22:00 over here, working tomorrow and went all the way to the big city and back... so I am fairly pooped
[14:35] <Kilos> its fine nlsthzn  ill give your apologies if you arent here
[14:35] <Kilos> you gonna battle more next wednesday i think
[14:35] <Kilos> hehe
[14:35] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ... there is a good chance I will be there however... normally get my second wind right when I am supposed to go to bed (and pay for it the next day :p)
[14:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:36] <nlsthzn> easy when I am off
[14:36] <Kilos> hehe
[15:10] <Squirm> Home time
[16:26] <Kilos> there ive done my bit for power saving for today
[16:27] <Kilos> hi zipper  welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:28] <Kilos> hi captine  
[16:28] <Kilos> and Private_User  
[16:32] <gremble> salute
[16:33] <Kilos> lo gremble  
[16:50] <Kilos> load shedding time is good to go have a bath and a nap
[16:52] <gremble> I tried to nap
[16:52] <gremble> The mosquitoes had me half-way out the door before I woke up
[16:52] <Kilos> bit too hot
[16:53] <Kilos> hahaha where is your tabard and citronella candles
[16:53] <gremble> They laugh at the citronella
[16:53] <gremble> It smells nice to them already
[16:53] <gremble> My tabard is finished
[16:53] <Kilos> eish
[16:54] <gremble> It is these damned tiger mosquitoes
[16:54] <Kilos> get citronella oil
[16:54] <gremble> They don't care about standing water
[16:55] <Kilos> lol ya they breed in grass too
[16:55] <Kilos> get that 
[16:55] <Kilos> um
[16:55] <Kilos> er
[16:55] <Kilos> noise making thing going
[16:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:55] <gremble> I think I should get a mosquito net
[16:55] <Kilos> signal generator
[16:55] <gremble> That will at least help against the bites
[16:56] <nlsthzn> night all... not going to make it... *yawn*
[16:56] <Kilos> night nlsthzn  sleep tight
[16:57] <gremble> Cheers nlsthzn 
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:17] <Kilos> oh my, weather has brought new york to a standstill
[17:20] <Kilos> latest from eskom is they going to charge more for electricity during load shedding periods
[17:20] <Kilos> hi jrgns  
[17:20] <jrgns> Hey Kilos
[17:21] <jrgns> I'll try and make the meeting, but Eskom is interfering... 
[17:21] <Kilos> eish
[17:21] <Kilos> im lucky we had our 2 hours off already just now
[17:22] <magespawn> good evening
[17:22] <Kilos> my magespawn  
[17:23] <magespawn> all right for the meeting
[17:24] <magespawn> ?
[17:25] <Kilos> yeah if eskom dont kill too many connections
[17:26] <Kilos> i hope nuvolari  makes it
[17:26] <Kilos> otherwise inetpro  must take over
[17:27] <zipper> Kilos: Uh hey you guys.
[17:28] <Kilos> and if the brewing storm dont kill my power
[17:28] <magespawn> cool beans
[17:29] <Kilos> didnt you practise for the chair magespawn  
[17:29] <magespawn> i di one
[17:29] <magespawn> did
[17:29] <Kilos> i need to compose a mail but dont know what to say
[17:29] <magespawn> what do you need to say?
[17:30] <Kilos> gracias
[17:30] <Kilos> lemme work on it
[17:31] <magespawn> hi zipper 
[17:31] <zipper> magespawn: Hey
[17:31] <zipper> People writing haskell in this channel?
[17:31] <zipper> I was just reading about SA and turns out Cape Town has penguins? Insane.
[17:36] <Kilos> haha
[17:36] <Kilos> millions zipper  
[17:37] <Kilos> even rescue centres for those hurt or oil drenched after oil spills
[17:38] <Kilos> mail done magespawn   sjoe
[17:38] <Kilos> was  hard to find words
[17:40] <magespawn> zipper: i think one of the other guys was talking about haskell, can't remember who though
[17:41] <Kilos> hi charl  
[17:41] <charl> good evening
[17:41] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:41] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[17:41]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:41] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make the meeting tonight, something just came up that I have to deal with now
[17:41] <charl> meeting starts over an hour ?
[17:42] <Kilos> ok superfly   can you mail me what to say in your place
[17:42] <Kilos> or slexy it
[17:42] <Kilos> and good luck sorting the prob
[17:42] <magespawn> superfly come if you can, even if it is late
[17:43] <Kilos> he has devcon at 9 magespawn  
[17:43] <Kilos> i think thats what he called it
[17:44] <Kilos> wb jrgns  
[17:45] <Kilos> gremble  try this
[17:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:46] <Kilos> put 2 tablespoons sugar in a bowl with 2 teaspoons yeast and add warm water
[17:46] <magespawn> defcon i think maybe
[17:46] <Kilos> that will make corbon dioxide i think its called and will attract the mossies and they go drown there
[17:46] <magespawn> why Kilos ?
[17:46] <Kilos> ya that magespawn  
[17:47] <magespawn> i see
[17:47] <Kilos> carbon
[17:47] <charl> Maaz: danke
[17:47] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:47] <Kilos> magespawn  he can opnly reach his keyboard when the mozzies drag him past the pc
[17:47] <Kilos> only
[17:49] <Kilos> at one3 time one could buy the yeats traps for them
[17:49] <Kilos> yeast
[17:49] <Kilos> whew
[17:49] <zipper> magespawn: Someone in this channel was talking about Haskell?
[17:50] <magespawn> lol
[17:50] <magespawn> you could put it in a coke bottle with the top part cut off and turned upside down into the bottle
[17:50] <zipper> Kilos: One day I should come see those penguins. I would've assumed the weather would be too hot for penguins.
[17:51] <Kilos> the water is freezing zipper
[17:51] <Kilos> they are also on all the islands to the south
[17:54] <magespawn> zipper: yup
[17:55] <Kilos> but not year round zipper  they spend lots of time posing at canonical and other linux places too
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <zipper> Kilos: haha
[17:56] <Kilos> just mailed nuvolari  telling him come here now. not sure about power in bloem
[17:59] <gremble> Who has yeast lying around the house?
[17:59] <gremble> But thanks Kilos I'll find out where I can get some
[17:59] <Kilos> most mothers
[18:00] <Kilos> neighbours mothers
[18:00] <Kilos> any one that bakes
[18:00] <Kilos> varsity kitchen
[18:01] <gremble> Yeast is a kind of fungi
[18:01] <gremble> Pretty coo
[18:01] <gremble> cool*
[18:01] <gremble> Turns sugar into ethyl-alcohol and CO2
[18:01] <Kilos> do as magespawn  says and cut a plastic coke bottle in half
[18:02] <Kilos> yeast mix in bottom then top upside down in bottom to seal it
[18:02] <Kilos> they go in through the cap hole
[18:02] <Kilos> co2 is what attracts them
[18:03] <Kilos> lol or you can watch as it attracts them and swat them
[18:05] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:05] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[18:05] <gremble> I missed you magespawn. I'm glad you are with us again
[18:06] <magespawn> lol, for like a minute?
[18:07] <gremble> 247 seconds to be more specific
[18:07] <gremble> So it is almost 4min
[18:07] <Kilos> haha
[18:07] <Kilos> the maths man strikes
[18:08] <gremble> I prefer to be called Pedantic Batman
[18:08] <gremble> I am pedantic so you don't have to be
[18:08] <gremble> :P
[18:08] <Kilos> that too 
[18:08] <Kilos> easier to say maths man
[18:09] <Kilos> Maaz  define pedantic
[18:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Pedantic \Pe*dan"tic\, Pedantical \Pe*dan"tic*al\, a. Of or pertaining to a pedant; characteristic of, or resembling, a pedant; ostentatious of learning; as, a pedantic writer; a pedantic description; a pedantical affectation. "Figures pedantical." --Shak. [1913 Webster], pedantic adj 1: marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its
[18:09] <Maaz> trivial aspects [syn: {academic}, {donnish}, {pedantic}]
[18:09] <Kilos> ya maths man is better
[18:10] <gremble> Lol]
[18:11] <Kilos> Squirm  ping
[18:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:12] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:12] <Kilos> now where is the pro hiding tonight
[18:13] <Kilos> hi amanica  
[18:14] <amanica> Hi Kilos, whats up :)
[18:14] <Kilos> temperature mostly
[18:14] <Kilos> very hot here
[18:15] <nuvolari> oh hi o=
[18:15] <nuvolari> * o/
[18:15] <nuvolari> I'm going to eat quick
[18:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  dankie seun
[18:15] <Kilos> quick
[18:15] <amanica> Haha, jup in jozi its too hot too
[18:15] <Kilos> 15 mins dont bolt your food down
[18:16] <Kilos> you missed lots amanica  fly and i are applying for ubuntu membership
[18:16] <Kilos> major job that
[18:17] <amanica> Yeah saw on the mailinglist, goodluck!
[18:17] <Kilos> ty
[18:18] <amanica> sorry I easily forget about these meetings,especially with bathtime of my son now. Finnaly got irc on my phone :)
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe family life takes up lots of time
[18:19] <Kilos> wb captine  
[18:19] <captine> thanks
[18:20] <captine> on webchat.  not sure why my connection on my desktop is funky tonight
[18:20] <captine> need to nuke a pave the machine... :)
[18:20] <Kilos> ai!
[18:20] <inetpro> good eve
[18:20] <Kilos> lo inetpro  wb
[18:21] <charl> hi inetpro 
[18:21] <inetpro> hi charl
[18:21] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[18:21] <captine> hi charl, inetpro
[18:21] <Kilos> haha afterthought again
[18:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:21] <inetpro> hmm... and captine too
[18:22] <Kilos> jy spot met my ne
[18:22] <inetpro> uh?
[18:22] <inetpro> no man
[18:22] <Kilos> all god there inetpro  ?
[18:22] <Kilos> good
[18:22] <charl> hi captine :)
[18:23] <inetpro> another tough day at the office
[18:23] <Kilos> ai!
[18:23] <inetpro> hot and powerless for most of the day, but all fine otherwise
[18:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:24] <captine> yip.  the heat when our generator ran out of diesel was crazy
[18:24] <inetpro> well, powerless meaning running on genny
[18:24] <inetpro> genny not powering aircons
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <captine> think i have load shedding tomorrow night
[18:25] <Kilos> what about in the server rooms
[18:25] <inetpro> nuvolari: you ready to chair the meeting?
[18:25] <Kilos> he just eating
[18:25] <captine> we dont really have servers on site.  think 1 file server... everything in data centre
[18:25] <inetpro> ah
[18:26] <captine> our office park gen powers the AC...
[18:27] <captine> prior to moving to the datacentre, we had all servers/rack in a temp office while our offices were being re-vamped... it was sooooo hot in the room.  at least 30 to 32 degrees... the poor machines were struggling
[18:28] <magespawn> that is cooler than my air, in the shade temperature today
[18:29] <superfly> DebConf
[18:29] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:29] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[18:29] <magespawn> hi charl, captine, inetpro
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: hi, here for a few minutes, but I gotta go again.
[18:30] <Kilos> super can you slexy your beef
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: I just wanted everyone to know about the site, and about how they can contribute. they can use slexy, or e-mail me, if they want.
[18:30] <Kilos> or leave it here
[18:30] <magespawn> that just sounds wrong
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: I have a preview up on http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[18:31] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[18:31] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:31] <Lionthinker> greetings all
[18:31] <superfly> magespawn: http://debconf.org/
[18:31] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker  ty vey much
[18:31] <Lionthinker> Kilos, pleasure
[18:32] <Kilos> very as well
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm... 
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (January 2015)
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: You're not the boss of me
[18:32] <inetpro> looks like we need a fundraising
[18:32] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:32] <nuvolari> up your's Maaz 
[18:32] <inetpro> ai!
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: start meeting
[18:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: end meeting
[18:33] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:33] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-33-20.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-33-20.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-33-20.html
[18:33] <inetpro> it works 
[18:33] <Kilos> nuvolari  try again
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: admin and chairmeeting
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (January 2015)
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'm not going to listen to you
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: help permissions
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Please be more specific. I don't know if you mean auth or test
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: permissions
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Permissions: chairmeeting
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (January 2015)
[18:34] <inetpro> that's strange
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: You're not the boss of me
[18:34] <nuvolari> unf
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: you silly bot
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[18:34] <Kilos> do auth chairmeeting
[18:34] <magespawn> superfly: are you going?
[18:34] <Kilos> or auth and your password
[18:35] <Kilos> ai!
[18:35] <nuvolari_> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (January 2015)
[18:35] <Maaz> nuvolari_: I'm not going to listen to you
[18:35] <nuvolari_> :'(
[18:35] <magespawn> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (January 2015)
[18:35]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:35] <Kilos> yay
[18:35] <nuvolari> ffs
[18:35] <inetpro> \o/
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[18:35] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[18:35] <Kilos> language
[18:35] <captine> lol.. this is where the artifial part of the AI comes to play... :)
[18:35] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:35] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:36] <nuvolari> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:36] <Lionthinker> I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:36] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:36] <Maaz> charl: Okay
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:36] <Lionthinker> Maaz: I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:36] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Sure
[18:36] <magespawn> Maa: I am Gregory Eames
[18:36] <gremble> Maaz: I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:36] <Maaz> gremble: Righto
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[18:36] <nuvolari> wow, lots of people tonight
[18:36] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Gregory Eames
[18:36] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[18:36] <captine> Maaz I am Bradley Putzier
[18:36] <Maaz> captine: Done
[18:36] <nuvolari> interesting agenda
[18:37] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[18:37] <inetpro> nuvolari: some of them are here twice :-)
[18:37] <nuvolari> new peeps as well, welcome to you
[18:37] <Kilos> ty nuvolari  and welcome to you too
[18:37] <captine> nuvolari: i agree.  lets skip welcomes and go straight to butt kicking... :)
[18:38] <Kilos> zipper  stickyboy  you are welcome to join us just login with the bot please
[18:38] <nuvolari> the fly needs to be out soon
[18:38] <Kilos> yip let the fly go
[18:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Superfly's butt kicking session
[18:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Superfly's butt kicking session
[18:38] <nuvolari> so, what's this about?
[18:38] <Kilos> superfly  in your court sir
[18:38]  * nuvolari puts on some extra layers of undies
[18:38] <Kilos> ll
[18:39] <Lionthinker>  *just changed some nappies, if you want some of that you welcome
[18:39] <magespawn> Firefox cannot guarantee the safety of your data on wiki.ubuntu.com because it uses SSLv3, a broken security protocol.
[18:39] <nuvolari> superfly: ping
[18:39] <captine> Lionthinker: not the most fun thing to do... Feel your pain
[18:39] <Kilos> he most likely had to go
[18:39] <amanica> Maaz: i am Marius Kruger
[18:39] <Maaz> amanica: Okay
[18:39] <Lionthinker> captine, hehehe
[18:39] <nuvolari> aw :-|
[18:39] <Kilos> this from fly
[18:39] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[18:40] <nuvolari> anyone know what it was about?
[18:40] <inetpro> that is the new site in development
[18:40] <Lionthinker> magespawn: didn't know this about the fox, why don't they fix it?
[18:40] <Kilos> he asks can peeps please mail him their content for the new site
[18:40] <nuvolari> looking nice! I like that design, plain and simple
[18:41] <Kilos> nuvolari  we need to revive our site
[18:41] <nuvolari> we should send a mail out regarding that
[18:42] <Kilos> ok do it please
[18:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Send a mail out, asking contributors to provide content for the new site
[18:42] <Maaz> Agreed: Send a mail out, asking contributors to provide content for the new site
[18:42] <inetpro> +1
[18:42] <magespawn> Lionthinker: i think it is because of https with http it seems to be fine
[18:42] <captine> What type of content are we talking about?
[18:42] <Kilos> any posts
[18:42] <inetpro> magespawn: I guess we shall have to address that with canonical
[18:43] <Kilos> same as in the old site
[18:43] <Kilos> magespawn  file a bug report
[18:43] <Lionthinker> magespawn, this is only a fox problem?
[18:43] <inetpro> captine: anything crucial you feel that should be put on our site
[18:43] <captine> ok
[18:44] <magespawn> if i do http first it goes to the https website without a problem
[18:44] <magespawn> Lionthinker: let me see
[18:45] <Kilos> wb jrgns  
[18:45] <magespawn> Lionthinker: i only have firefox on this pc
[18:45] <jrgns> Too late to join? 
[18:45] <Kilos> no
[18:45] <Kilos> join anytime in meeting
[18:45] <inetpro> jrgns: you're always welcome
[18:46] <Kilos> amanica  wb
[18:46] <inetpro> nuvolari: shall we move on?
[18:46] <nuvolari> dafuq, laptop's wifi connection dropped
[18:46] <nuvolari> happens now and then
[18:47] <nuvolari> had to reboot
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:47] <nuvolari> the new site shouldn't be too busy
[18:47] <nuvolari> it's hard to find a balance
[18:48] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:48] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:48] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:49] <nuvolari> uhm, anyone have a link to the previous minutes?
[18:49] <nuvolari> not available in the agenda/previous meeting's agenda
[18:49] <inetpro> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.txt
[18:49] <inetpro> is it that ^ ?
[18:50] <Lionthinker> guys can we have some focus here
[18:50] <jrgns> Maaz I am Jurgens du Toit 
[18:50] <Maaz> jrgns: Alrighty
[18:50] <inetpro> oops... no, that is old
[18:50] <nuvolari> we're trying to establish focus
[18:50] <nuvolari> we need the minutes for that :)
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: your fault, you didn't check :-)
[18:50] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[18:51] <nuvolari> ugh, my available history don't go that far back :(
[18:51] <Kilos> sorry i was too busy
[18:51] <Vince-0> haai
[18:51] <Kilos> login with Maaz  Vince-0  
[18:51] <Vince-0> Maaz I'm Vincent Swart
[18:51] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[18:51] <Vince-0> meh
[18:51] <Kilos> I am
[18:51] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:51] <Maaz> Vince-0: Done
[18:51] <inetpro> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt
[18:52] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am your master
[18:52] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sure
[18:52] <Vince-0> omg
[18:52] <Kilos> hehe
[18:52] <amanica_> Maaz: I'm Marius Kruger
[18:52] <Maaz> amanica_: What?
[18:52] <Kilos> now you recorded as your master
[18:52] <Kilos> amanica_  I am
[18:52] <amanica_> Maaz: I am Marius Kruger
[18:52] <Maaz> amanica_: Righto
[18:52] <jrgns> Hellooo amanica_! Long time no see
[18:52] <Vince-0> nice
[18:52] <nuvolari> ah, thanks inetpro 
[18:53] <nuvolari> oh hi Vince-0!
[18:53] <Vince-0> so what's up
[18:53] <captine> maybe we should skip the minutes, and setup the next agenda to link to them?
[18:53] <amanica_> Hey jrgns, yeah :)
[18:53] <captine> my bad... i see the link now
[18:53] <Kilos> meeting then next thursday night ubuntu membership applications
[18:54] <inetpro> nuvolari: there wasn't much more than the talk about re-verification I think
[18:54] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:54] <nuvolari> moving on?
[18:54] <inetpro> +1
[18:54] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015
[18:55] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[18:55] <nuvolari> So currently superfly and oom Kilos will be applying for membership
[18:55] <nuvolari> I think they are great candidates
[18:55] <nuvolari> I still need to do my piece for each of them
[18:55]  * Kilos bows
[18:55] <Lionthinker> goodluck
[18:56] <inetpro> definitely
[18:56] <nuvolari> (what do you call that?)
[18:56] <magespawn> the most stable here 
[18:56] <magespawn> testimonial
[18:56] <inetpro> who else is joining in?
[18:56] <nuvolari> (getuigskrif)
[18:56] <nuvolari> thanks magespawn 
[18:56]  * nuvolari is chickening out
[18:56] <inetpro> we need more members guys
[18:57] <Lionthinker> inetpro, I'm thinking about it
[18:57] <captine> i need to contribute first... will then apply
[18:57] <captine> just getting into things
[18:57] <jrgns> What's the requirements and respow? 
[18:57] <jrgns> Urgh, responsibilities? 
[18:57] <Kilos> feedback from our re-verification from the council said we need more members
[18:57] <nuvolari> I'd like to, but I don't think I'm contributing nearly enough to justify applying just yet
[18:57] <Kilos> jrgns  major work
[18:58] <inetpro> nuvolari: you've been chairman often enough already
[18:58] <inetpro> anyone can do it
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro  link to membership requirements
[18:58] <nuvolari> inetpro: is that enough though? :P
[18:58] <Kilos> please
[18:58] <Vince-0> what other activities constitute a member's participation, eg
[18:58] <inetpro>  Ubuntu Official Ubuntu Membership means recognition of significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu or the Ubuntu community. 
[18:58] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[18:58] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[19:00] <nuvolari> ooh... Ubuntu Member Flair on Reddit.
[19:00] <nuvolari> I'm sold!
[19:00] <Kilos> link
[19:01] <captine> maybe we should include something on the site with links to the membership etc.  if we wanting to encourage membership, we should push it (email signatures, etc etc)???
[19:01] <Kilos> storming here, if i disappear power has gone
[19:01] <nuvolari> ok, I think I will add my application too
[19:01] <magespawn> +1 captine 
[19:01] <Kilos> captine  +1
[19:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[19:01] <jrgns> captine good idea
[19:01] <nuvolari> +1
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[19:02] <Kilos> you come to join the meeting ThatGraemeGuy  
[19:02] <Kilos> ?
[19:02] <Vince-0> main page needs to mention it
[19:02] <Kilos> is that why its storming
[19:02] <Kilos> hehe
[19:02] <inetpro> so we have nuvolari, captine, jrgns and who else?
[19:02] <Kilos> Vince-0  can you give all suggestions and content to superfly  in his mail please
[19:03] <Vince-0> ubuntu-za has active forums
[19:03] <inetpro> Vince-0: we used to have
[19:03] <Lionthinker> as I said, I tentatively put my hand up
[19:03] <Kilos> i think our forum is archived
[19:03] <inetpro> Vince-0: drubin was very active in the forums
[19:03] <Lionthinker> worst thing is, one can be rejected right
[19:03] <jrgns> Hehe
[19:03] <inetpro> oh and Lionthinker
[19:04] <Kilos> they can just say no
[19:04] <amanica_> yeah, some camaraderie / ubuntu  for za ubunutu membership will be good. Back in the day I was really in the dark as to what membership entails and why one would apply. I sort of got the idea it is sort of by invite only..
[19:04] <nuvolari> kool kidz only :-/
[19:04] <nuvolari> :P
[19:04] <Lionthinker> amanica_, you are officially invited by Ubuntu ZA
[19:04] <nuvolari> we're all cool
[19:04] <nuvolari> oom Kilos is the coolest (^^,)
[19:05] <Kilos> ai!
[19:05] <inetpro> ok, so the first easy step is to create your page
[19:05] <nuvolari> NB to sign UCOC
[19:05]  * inetpro created a page and got testimonials even before I have put content
[19:05] <nuvolari> I might need to update with my latest key 
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: I will try to have content before end of the week
[19:06] <amanica_> ok I'll give it a go if you insist :)
[19:06] <Kilos> ya if you change pcs i think you need new key as well
[19:06] <inetpro> so might be ready for next week
[19:06] <captine> ok, so what else are the plans for 2015... we have the website with a proposed go-live date?  if i recall, superfly was swamped, so not sure if a date is known yet?  we need to have more people apply for memberships and join the meeting to motivate for the current membership applications... what else?
[19:06] <nuvolari> oh dear, one can run out of karma on launchpad? :'(
[19:06] <Kilos> ty inetpro  
[19:06] <Kilos> my karma is ) 
[19:06] <Kilos> 0
[19:06] <nuvolari> likewise 
[19:06] <captine> should we try to see if there is anyone that can do somethign at software freedom day for ubuntu (think there were some Redhat people there last year... not sure.. just sw the agenda and didnt attend
[19:07] <Kilos> no idea what changes that
[19:07] <nuvolari> captine: where are you based?
[19:07] <inetpro> captine: good idea!
[19:07] <captine> nuvolari: Johannesburg
[19:07] <nuvolari> ah
[19:07] <amanica_> I was at SFD, yeah some ubuntu-ish presentation will be cool, not sure about what exactly though
[19:07] <inetpro> we definitely need to pick up on visibility at events... have banners and CD's, etc...
[19:08] <amanica_> maybe have an ubuntu stand again
[19:08] <Lionthinker> inetpro, we need to take seriously the ability to request an ubuntu phone
[19:08] <inetpro> Lionthinker: for sure
[19:08] <Kilos> yip
[19:08] <Lionthinker> Create a programme whereby we commit to contact journalists and the like
[19:08] <Lionthinker> x number of journalists, y number of prospective publicity etc
[19:09] <nuvolari> \o/ "Congratulations, you have already signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct."
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Lionthinker> Flog it at hacker days, SFD lug groups etc.
[19:09] <captine> ubuntu phone, and to find out if anyone in SA has tried the Orange Box yet?  any corporates etc?  
[19:09] <captine> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/jumpstart-training
[19:10] <inetpro> all good ideas, but let's try start by signing up for official membership first
[19:10] <Lionthinker> its stuff like that which should go ont eh site
[19:10] <amanica_> yeah the cloud stuff looks really exiting, I whish I had a chance to play with it. that sort of demo will be cool at SFD!
[19:10] <Lionthinker> like FNB uses Ubuntu
[19:10] <amanica_> seriusly Leon?
[19:10]  * nuvolari <3 FNB
[19:11] <Lionthinker> we should highlight ubuntu in the wild
[19:11] <amanica_> nice 
[19:11] <Lionthinker> yip, 10.4
[19:11] <Lionthinker> still on the old shell
[19:11]  * nuvolari saw an Ubuntu screen at the bank
[19:11] <Kilos> thats cool
[19:11] <Lionthinker> there's tons of stuff out there which we can use to populate the site and use as credit for membership
[19:12] <Kilos> Lionthinker  go for it
[19:12] <amanica_> I need to switch to FNB then, ASAP!
[19:12] <nuvolari> who here has *NOT* signed UCOC yet?
[19:12] <captine> inetpro: agreed.  that is top priority (membership), but having a nice list of potentials and then honing in on the feasible ones would be good
[19:13] <Kilos> for starters all create your wiki pages
[19:14] <Lionthinker> Kilos, agreed
[19:14] <jrgns> Will read up and start cracking 
[19:14] <Kilos> lol i think it was easy
[19:14] <inetpro> Vince-0: you too
[19:14] <Kilos> ys Vince-0  
[19:14] <inetpro> and magespawn
[19:15] <nuvolari> hmm, should we move on?
[19:15] <nuvolari> or am I too hasty?
[19:15] <Vince-0> ya
[19:15] <captine> nuvolari: i think we can move on.  just to confirm, how are the minutes being handled?  they being loaded on the wiki?  should probably just list all the suggestions in them (easier than reading IRC logs
[19:16] <nuvolari> captine: I see there are space for the summary in the current agenda
[19:16] <captine> cool
[19:17] <Vince-0> make a to do list for newbs
[19:17] <nuvolari> a link to the meeting logs will be added too
[19:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[19:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:18] <nuvolari> well, I think the membership application ceremony is a big event...
[19:18] <inetpro> please post any web content ideas to the mailing list so we can discuss there
[19:18] <nuvolari> is that next Thursday?
[19:18] <Kilos> yip nuvolari  
[19:18] <nuvolari> 5th
[19:18] <nuvolari> of Feb
[19:18] <Kilos> at midnight
[19:18] <nuvolari> :-/
[19:18] <nuvolari> whut?
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah
[19:18] <nuvolari> do we need to be present?
[19:19] <Kilos> tough
[19:19] <inetpro> nuvolari: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[19:19] <Kilos> not really
[19:19] <Kilos> mainly for support
[19:19] <inetpro>  Thursday, February 5th, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC 
[19:19] <inetpro> that is 00:00 SAST
[19:19] <Kilos> but testimonials work as support too
[19:20] <nuvolari> ouch
[19:20] <nuvolari> ok, need to prepare mentally
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Ubuntu Membership Application Meeting on Feb 5th, at 00:00 SAST
[19:21] <Maaz> Agreed: Ubuntu Membership Application Meeting on Feb 5th, at 00:00 SAST
[19:21] <nuvolari> any other upcoming events?
[19:21] <Kilos> the party afterwards
[19:21] <inetpro> others are welcome to choose the next timeslot for application on  Wednesday, 18 February 2014 at 14:00 SAST
[19:22] <Kilos> coffee and rusks from maaz
[19:22] <inetpro> we don't have to apply all at once :-)
[19:22] <inetpro> think it will be nice if we can sign up new members every month
[19:22] <Kilos> yeah
[19:23] <inetpro> we have enough talent in the country
[19:23] <inetpro> and even on the continent
[19:24] <inetpro> will be interesting to see how far we can go with this
[19:24] <nuvolari> yeah, maybe let's add that too
[19:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Ubuntu Membership Application Meeting 2: Feb 18 at 14:00 SAST
[19:25] <Maaz> Agreed: Ubuntu Membership Application Meeting 2: Feb 18 at 14:00 SAST
[19:25] <nuvolari> also a rough time
[19:25] <nuvolari> but might be more suitable to some
[19:25] <nuvolari> okiedokie,
[19:25] <nuvolari> I'm moving on
[19:25] <nuvolari> 5 min left
[19:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:26] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:26] <nuvolari> hmm, apt-offline
[19:26] <nuvolari> is that similar to apt-mirror?
[19:26] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:26] <Lionthinker> does it help anyone here in SA
[19:26] <inetpro> has anyone tried apt-offline yet
[19:26]  * inetpro wanted to but haven't
[19:27] <captine> not yet
[19:27] <amanica_> I prefer apt-cacher-ng (after trying apt-offline)
[19:27] <charl> under miscellaneous, maaz and the unmaintained ibid bot
[19:27] <Lionthinker> we all have pretty good internet, but is there a use case out there for the broader community?
[19:27] <amanica_> depends what you need it for I guess
[19:27] <nuvolari> Lionthinker: well, back in Durban, William K helped a ton of people with apt-mirror, and repos for both 64 and 32-bit
[19:27] <Kilos> will try it soon
[19:27] <Lionthinker> nuvolari, thats good news
[19:27] <nuvolari> it is a great tool in the right hands
[19:27] <Kilos> got the info on how to
[19:28] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2hISUsWao
[19:28] <nuvolari> he has a far reaching hand in the community
[19:28] <Lionthinker> should go up on the site, help for internet strapped sa
[19:28] <captine> I plan to do an apt-mirror for my home network... not sure what else i can use it for
[19:28] <nuvolari> but isn't involved in IRC unfortunately
[19:28] <nuvolari> captine: new friends? :P
[19:28] <amanica_> well downloading the complete repo seems like a waste to me, I think 90% of people use the same core 90% of apps, and the last couple can be downloaded as needed..
[19:29] <amanica_> (I tried downloading the whole thing but ran out of space&time)
[19:29] <nuvolari> amanica_: agreed, but the 10% that really needs those last couple of apps might not have internet
[19:29] <Kilos> over 40g
[19:29] <nuvolari> yeah, like 60gb per architecture
[19:30] <nuvolari> on the downside, it gets outdated quick
[19:30] <Kilos> yeah
[19:30] <nuvolari> but having that first clone is great
[19:30] <inetpro> perhaps something to explore on the mailing list as well so we can help people without much bandwidth?
[19:30] <amanica_> yeah that's why it depends on what you need it for, if you have a release party with good internet, everybody can proxy through a pre-populated apt-cacher-ng and stuff only gets downloaded once
[19:31] <captine> I currently have 1TB of offpeak data (whihc is impossible to use on my speed of connection), so want to at least use as much of it as possible... :)
[19:31] <Kilos> we need to push Symmetria  for a deb-delta server
[19:31] <Lionthinker> amanica_, now that is useful
[19:31] <captine> deb-delta server??? whats that Kilos
[19:31] <Lionthinker> guys I have to go, early day tomorrow
[19:31] <Lionthinker> Will be great to see the new site when its up and ready.
[19:32] <amanica_> k, cya Lionthinker
[19:32] <Kilos> you only download the extras in upgrades not whole packages
[19:32] <captine> interesting
[19:32] <nuvolari> cheers L<tab>
[19:32] <Kilos> saves 80% time and data use
[19:32] <inetpro> hmm... he left too quick
[19:32] <Kilos> ya
[19:33] <nuvolari> out of time
[19:33] <nuvolari> moving on?
[19:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:33] <Kilos> hi kodez  
[19:33] <nuvolari> oh hi kodez 
[19:34] <Kilos> you in time to login
[19:34] <kodez> good evening all
[19:34] <nuvolari> I'll probably be available next meeting :P
[19:34]  * Kilos votes nuvolari
[19:34]  * nuvolari puts himself up for chair elective
[19:34] <inetpro> any other nominations?
[19:35] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ping
[19:35] <amanica_> +1 for novolari
[19:35] <Kilos> the monkey has probs connecting
[19:35] <charl> nuvolari: i did note the issue of maaz but if we are out of time then i guess it can be discussed at a later point
[19:35] <captine> +1 nuvolari 
[19:35] <Kilos> moving or something
[19:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: it's yours again
[19:35] <Kilos> oh and apologies from neelsie
[19:35] <captine> i am good for time if everyone else is
[19:35] <nuvolari> okies
[19:36] <nuvolari> charl: the permission issue?
[19:36] <inetpro> hmm... he's ignoring you charl ?
[19:36] <Kilos> nlsthzn  sleeping now too tired
[19:36] <inetpro> :-)
[19:36] <charl> nuvolari: no i was asked the past week if i would be willing to contribute in maintaining the ibid platform
[19:36] <Kilos> oh yes
[19:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed chair for next meeting: nuvolari
[19:36] <Maaz> Agreed: chair for next meeting: nuvolari
[19:36] <charl> the platform from what i understand is currently unmaintained
[19:37] <charl> and there was a question whether it could be moved to python3
[19:37] <nuvolari> ah
[19:37] <charl> as well as moved off some deprecated dependencies ....
[19:37] <charl> i said that i would be willing to help out
[19:37] <charl> but i am not too interested in taking over the maintinance of ibid
[19:37] <nuvolari> ok, can we add it to the agenda for the next meeting, so we can discuss it propperly?
[19:37] <charl> and my suggestion was to move to a different irc bot framework
[19:37] <jrgns> what's it built in? 
[19:38] <charl> nuvolari: that's ok by me :)
[19:38] <charl> jrgns: python 2.x
[19:38] <Kilos> python 2.7
[19:38] <jrgns> K
[19:38]  * nuvolari hints to pircbot :P
[19:38] <nuvolari> *at
[19:38] <charl> i've built stuff on top of pircbot but it's a java library
[19:39] <inetpro> jrgns: the current bot is built using, see: ibid http://ibid.omnia.za.net/
[19:39] <charl> and many people here i beieve are more fans of python
[19:39] <inetpro> eish... fingers
[19:39] <gremble> We should build it in assembly
[19:39] <jrgns> You can always pull a java lib into jruby or it's python equivalent? 
[19:39] <charl> last relieve was on released on 2011-02-23
[19:39] <charl> *release
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Discuss Maaz and ibid at next meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: Discuss Maaz and ibid at next meeting
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic next meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: next meeting
[19:40] <charl> cool thanks nuvolari 
[19:40] <nuvolari> next meeting is on 24th of February 2015
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is on 24th of February 2015
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is on 24th of February 2015
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:41] <captine> ooooh.  day before my wife's due date... might not make it.
[19:41] <nuvolari> thank you for beeing around everyone
[19:41] <amanica_> or discus it on the mailinglist..
[19:41] <Kilos> oh my
[19:41] <captine> quick one.  
[19:41] <nuvolari> we have the year started with a good meeting IMO
[19:41] <nuvolari> lots of people attending
[19:41] <captine> website suggestions.  we just post straight on ubuntu-za mailing list?
[19:41] <inetpro> that was a productive meeting!
[19:41] <Kilos> yeah ty nuvolari  
[19:41] <inetpro> captine: yes
[19:41] <nuvolari> indeed! I didn't think it will be so busy
[19:42] <nuvolari> Alright, see you at the next meeting everyone!
[19:42] <nuvolari> I'll be back
[19:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:42] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:42] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-35-24.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-35-24.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-01-27-18-35-24.html
[19:42] <Kilos> no nuvolari  
[19:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks mr chair
[19:42] <Kilos> you need to spend more time here
[19:42] <nuvolari> you're welcome :)
[19:42] <Vince-0> !
[19:42] <nuvolari> I'm trying oom Kilos 
[19:43] <Kilos> ya very trying
[19:43] <nuvolari> working my hand at planning a date... give me a little break :P
[19:43] <Kilos> i was poeping myself you not gonna make it tonight
[19:43] <nuvolari> 'other' parts of my life need some attention too
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <nuvolari> lol, sorry for worrying you oom Kilos 
[19:43] <Kilos> its ok ill get you back
[19:44] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[19:44] <Kilos> ty for coming tonight nuvolari  
[19:44] <Kilos> try one night a week
[19:44] <Kilos> dates must get to understand that from scratch
[19:45] <Kilos> inetpro  support man
[19:45] <inetpro> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> we still short on nicks here you know
[19:46] <Kilos> we went up to 45 once when drubin was still here
[19:46] <inetpro> wb captine
[19:47] <captine> thnx.  back on my own machine
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: we'll get there, one day
[19:47] <Kilos> remeber i can retire at 50
[19:47] <inetpro> hope we don't get there soon
[19:48] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127 updated
[19:48] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari  
[19:48] <inetpro> ty nuvolari
[19:49] <amanica_> jrgns: so what's up, where you at these days? are you using ubuntu more these days?
[19:49] <jrgns> I'm all over the show. Working for a company with a MS stack, but sneaking Ubuntu in there
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <amanica_> jrgns: nice :)
[19:50] <jrgns> Ubuntu all the way at home, also doing some contracting in Ubuntu 
[19:50] <jrgns> You? 
[19:50] <amanica_> ok
[19:50] <captine> jrgns, I am in the same boat.  MS everything... 2 Ubuntu VM's for my department...  very sad
[19:50] <captine> :)
[19:50] <amanica_> I've been an ubuntu fanboy for a long time, use it at work and at home
[19:50] <amanica_> debian and m$ servers 
[19:50] <jrgns> Nice
[19:52] <jrgns> captine I'm up to 3 Ubuntu boxes out of around 50
[19:52] <amanica_> and I'm still mainly doing java, did some python on the side (bzr) but realized why I prefer java
[19:52] <jrgns> Running elasticsearch and redis
[19:52] <jrgns> Hehe, ok. 
[19:52] <amanica_> to do what?
[19:53] <jrgns> We do financial transacting, so I want to log the transactions and at a minimum do basic metrics, and extend that to trend predictions and fraud detection 
[19:54] <amanica_> ah ok nice
[19:54] <jrgns> Busy ramping up on machine learning and related topics for that, though
[19:54] <jrgns> Lots to learn
[19:54] <amanica_> sounds like fun though :)
[19:54] <jrgns> Lots
[19:56] <captine> my 2 vms just have orangehrm, a drupal install for a demo intranet and one is a dedicated gitlab server, for proof of concept...
[19:56] <amanica_> jrgns: and family? where do you live? I'm in weltevredenpark. 2 boys, 4years and 2 months respectively
[19:56] <jrgns> Alberton. 1 year old boy
[19:56] <amanica_> ok cool :)
[19:56] <jrgns> Keeping me busy! 
[19:57] <jrgns> captine It's a start! 
[19:57] <magespawn> kids do that
[19:57] <amanica_> very cute when they young but can drive one crazy at times :)
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> it never ends
[19:57] <captine> jrgns, my challenge i am an accountant... not a technical person, so trying to convince all our windows chaps that there are alternatives.... is way more difficult
[19:57] <Kilos> mine still drives me nuts and he is 38 i think'
[19:57] <amanica_> my phone acted up while trying to bath the one and irc-meetinging
[19:58] <jrgns> Yeah, he wants to walk ane climb everywhere, but insists on holding my hand while doing it
[19:58] <magespawn> mine are 12 and 8
[19:58] <amanica_> so you have to climb with :)
[19:58] <jrgns> captine I'm technical and I also struggle to convince the other techs... I feel your pain! 
[19:58] <amanica_> magespawn: and running ubuntu I'd guess :)
[19:59] <Kilos> enjoy them all you can, they grow up too quick
[19:59] <jrgns> amanica_ I do! 
[19:59] <amanica_> yup
[19:59] <amanica_> keeps you youhg
[19:59] <Kilos> yah
[20:00] <magespawn> amanica_: then i am doing something wrong, mine just seem to make me older
[20:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:01] <amanica_> os preference is like religion: you can show the hourse the water but you can't force him to quench his thirst - needs to figure it out himself :)
[20:01] <amanica_> ha
[20:01] <jrgns> Yup
[20:01] <Kilos> hehe
[20:01] <magespawn> indeed, i am trying not to have one
[20:02] <Kilos> i dont think its preference, its that they dont know better
[20:02] <amanica_> magespawn: well if you climb all over, go swimming, get on your knees to play etc. etc it at least keeps you fit if not younger :
[20:02] <amanica_> an os?
[20:03] <magespawn> amanica_: fit and old i can handle
[20:03] <magespawn> amanica_: yes
[20:04] <amanica_> :)
[20:05] <Kilos> night all. ty for a great meeting, nice to see you all here
[20:05] <captine> night Kilos 
[20:05] <amanica_> cool cya
[20:12] <captine> trying to generte a key to sign the code of conduct... wow... this is a bit confusing... lol.  stap by step instructions help and are well written
[20:17] <Kilos> aw gremhas left
[20:17] <Kilos> gremble too
[20:17] <Kilos> inetpro  i found my blog
[20:17] <Kilos> w00t
[20:17] <Kilos> here is the one on geeks
[20:18] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20UJ6lbqc
[20:18] <Kilos> Maaz  tell gremble here is what i thought of geeks
[20:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell gremble on freenode
[20:18] <Kilos> ai
[20:19] <magespawn> back again Kilos ?
[20:19] <Kilos> Maaz  tell gremble here is what i thought of geeks http://slexy.org/view/s20UJ6lbqc
[20:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell gremble on freenode
[20:19] <Kilos> ya ive been hunting for a week for my blog 
[20:20] <Kilos> someone said something about geeks and i said oh i blogged about that once
[20:20] <Kilos> gremble said i hope it was good
[20:20] <Kilos> then i couldnt find my blog
[20:20] <Kilos> night again
[20:21] <magespawn> good night
[20:22] <charl> Maaz: tell kilos that's a nice piece you wrote there
[20:22] <Maaz> charl: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:22] <charl> night all
[20:22] <amanica_> night
[20:32] <magespawn> good night all
[20:33] <amanica_> night
[21:20] <captine> hey there
[21:20] <captine> i want to start my rsync. anyone know the line to start rsync of the 14.04 repo?
[21:22] <captine> never mind.  think i found it