[03:07] <bluesabre> brainwash: utopic might not be as necessary, 9-month support cycle and all that, but we can do that
[03:08]  * bluesabre syncs abiword
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks for the upload!  And in case you didn't see, verve is released too.
[03:13] <bluesabre> saw that
[03:14] <bluesabre> haven't acted on it :)
[03:14] <Unit193> Mhmm, care < 1  for me too. :P
[03:16] <bluesabre> I'll get to it ... soon
[03:16] <bluesabre> ... ish
[03:16] <bluesabre> :D
[08:49] <astraljava> Hey guys, was there something I needed to do in order to get automatic apport messages to reach launchpad? I have trouble with suspend/resume, and now when I booted this laptop, apport allowed me to send one, but it doesn't appear on LP.
[10:26] <brainwash> bluesabre: mmh yea, the utopic upload would only fix the one remaining keyboard action (maximize). this prevents any further corruption when a new user account is created
[10:30] <brainwash> an utopic users creates a new account and upgrades to vivid -> config still corrupted. an updated package for utopic prevents this scenario :)
[10:31] <brainwash> astraljava: hey there. I don't know how apport handles this, but the experts in #launchpad, #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-devel may know the answer
[11:06] <brainwash> elfy: can we mark a testcase bug report as dupe? bug 1414395
[11:06] <brainwash> I just remember that I should not mess around with testcase bug reports
[11:37] <Unit193> apport (2.15.1-0ubuntu3) vivid; urgency=medium
[11:37] <Unit193> * etc/apport/crashdb.conf: Enable crash reports on Launchpad for vivid.
[11:58] <slickymasterWork> yes brainwash, it's a duplicate
[11:59] <slickymasterWork> do you want me to mark as such, or will you do it?
[12:06] <brainwash> you can do it :)
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> done
[12:15] <astraljava> Thanks guys.
[12:16] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks
[12:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think you're more familiar with systemd vs upstart than I am... looking at this merge, would we use "init" or "upstart" in utopic/vivd? https://code.launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/lightdm-gtk-greeter/pre2.0-bugfixes/+merge/247653
[12:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: 'upstart', LP 1398619 has all the data.  But that's an upstart command, and -sysv symlinks 'init' to systemd.
[12:25] <bluesabre> thanks
[12:25] <Unit193> Sure.
[12:32] <elfy> brainwash: re testcase bugs - tbh better to mark as invalid :)
[12:33] <elfy> it's a testcase only when there's something actually wrong with that
[12:34] <brainwash> makes sense
[12:35] <elfy> marked it such and commented - but thanks for doing what you did do :)
[14:57] <brainwash> slickymaster: with the recent talk about security, maybe it could be helpful to install seahorse by default
[14:58] <brainwash> noticed this report which is filed against elementary os
[14:59] <brainwash> bug 1415066
[22:46] <bluesabre> I think we actually shipped seahorse at one point in the past
[22:47] <knome> if we ship it, then we should make sure it's (easily) integrated/integratable
[22:48] <brainwash> it seems to be useful, but it's a gnome app
[22:48] <brainwash> and we don't like gnome apps, or? :)
[22:48] <knome> depends if it brings a lot of dependencies
[22:48] <knome> and with my comment i meant that it should be easy to start using it
[22:49] <knome> if you need to do a set up even if it's shipped, then it's probably not worth it to ship it
[22:49] <slickymaster> I don't think that it brings so many dependencies knome 
[22:49] <brainwash> it makes using the (gnome) keyring more comfortable, but does the average user need that?
[22:50] <knome> or does the average user use the gnome keyring?
[22:50] <brainwash> it could help to promote the security aspect
[22:50] <slickymaster> I'm under the impression that it's still used a lot
[22:51] <slickymaster> at least by unity users
[22:51] <Unit193> If it helps, I have it installed.
[22:53] <bluesabre> hm
[22:53] <slickymaster> knome, re its dependencies -> libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-glib1 (>= 0.6.16), libc6 (>= 2.7), libgck-1-0 (>= 3.3.90), libgcr-base-3-1 (>= 3.9.1), libgcr-ui-3-1 (>= 3.9.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgpgme11 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4.0), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libsecret-1-0 (>= 0.16), libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.33.92), dconf-gsettings
[22:53] <bluesabre> apt is using ipv6 addresses
[22:53] <bluesabre> :o
[22:53] <slickymaster> Recommends: openssh-client
[22:54] <brainwash> well, which new dependencies does it add?
[22:54] <slickymaster> Unit193 would be the one to give you a answer brainwash 
[22:54] <bluesabre> I think we already have most of those
[22:55] <slickymaster> or bluesabre :p
[22:55] <bluesabre> wowza
[22:55] <bluesabre> it shows chrome passwords
[22:55] <knome> make a proposal of including it on the mailing list, covering these aspects as well as argumentation why it should be included :)
[22:55] <knome> then add an item to the meeting agenda
[22:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Wow, you get that now?
[22:56] <knome> that way this discussion will actually go forward
[22:56] <bluesabre> haven't used seahorse since before google chrome came out
[22:56] <slickymaster> +1 to that knome 
[22:56] <bluesabre> its been a while ;)
[22:56] <slickymaster> I've never used it tbh
[22:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do you use gnome-keyring?
[22:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: I do at least for unlocking my gpg
[22:58] <brainwash> I don't know, all I did is noticing the elementary os bug report about including seahorse..
[22:58] <Unit193> s/at least // and same.
[22:58] <bluesabre> I think a lot of people do, without knowing, it just does its just in the background
[22:58] <bluesabre> job
[23:00] <Unit193> Not for my email though.
[23:01] <bluesabre> Unit193 does not like to live dangerously
[23:02] <brainwash> bluesabre: fix the remaining keybind issue in utopic yes or no?
[23:02] <Unit193> I would, I just haven't set it up.
[23:03] <knome> did somebody confirm that unattended upgrades are enabled by default for xubuntu ?
[23:03] <brainwash> bluesabre: if no, then we should mark it as won't fix for utopic
[23:03] <slickymaster> I think elfy did knome 
[23:04] <slickymaster> at least I'm under that impression
[23:04] <knome> iirc he confirmed that we shipped a file that should do that - but that the software and upgrades dialog didn't say we were doing automatic updates
[23:05] <knome> i'll zsync a vivid image and check myself
[23:05] <slickymaster> :)
[23:06] <knome> atually, let's zsync both images
[23:06] <knome> +c
[23:06] <knome> heh, if you attach an xfce4-terminal tab, it isn't the same width as the parent
[23:06] <brainwash> isn't xubuntu behaving like normal ubuntu or any other buntu?
[23:06] <brainwash> regarding updates
[23:07] <knome> at least ideally and theoretically
[23:07] <knome> ok ok, i'll zsync a ubuntu image as well
[23:08] <knome> sigh
[23:08] <Unit193> Isn't Kubuntu different?
[23:08] <knome> Unit193, no no, won't take that bait
[23:08]  * Unit193 snickers.
[23:09] <slickymaster> lol