[00:05] <grendal_prime> ok I'm  back
[00:05] <grendal_prime>  I know you guys were worried?
[00:18] <Spyros> Hello guys , i have an issue with filenames. They are utf-8 encoded and after moving server my php script doesn't find them anymore. My locale command says utf8 everywhere, what should i check next ?
[00:23] <Spyros> Here's the problem http://postimg.org/image/ayfk4yx4r/
[00:30] <keithzg> sarnold: There are indeed mosh builds for Android, or at least, JuiceSSH (the terminal/ssh client I generally use on Android) has mosh support.
[00:30] <sarnold> keithzg: nice :D
[00:31] <sarnold> spyros: you missed nothing while you were gone
[00:31] <sarnold> spyros: did the tool you used to copy data from server to server do something stupid with those filenames?
[00:32] <sarnold> spyros: it's hard to imagine what could have broken them in this day and age, I thought nearly everything did utf8 well.
[00:33] <sarnold> spyros: I'd chcek the filenames using e.g. ls | od    or | xxd  -- and you might need to use some switches to ask ls to molest output as little as possible. (Heck, maybe even grab a stupider ls that doesn't do as much :)
[00:44] <spyros> sarnold: i just realized something strange... i copied the files with the 'wget' command and the bad files occured. Now i copied them with filezilla to my windows machine and reuploaded to the new server and the filenames are ok now. Can i use filezilla from my vps to copy them again ?
[00:46] <spyros> sarnold: does ncftp work ?
[00:46] <sarnold> spyros: interesting, I'm surprised wget did such a poor job with the names. was it perhaps run from a system with crazy locale configuration?
[00:46] <sarnold> spyros: ncftp ought to work, but I'd prefer sftp myself, FTP is so .. terrible :)
[00:48] <spyros> sarnold: i can't control the old system it was a stupid web hosting server. Should i try copying again with wget but using sftp ?
[00:48] <sarnold> spyros: sftp is a different protocol entirely, it's built on openssh
[00:49] <spyros> sarnold: does it respect encoding/filenames ?
[00:49] <sarnold> spyros: it should, yes
[02:50] <jak2000> isnt recommendable install vsftpd right? how to copy a file from windows to my server? i have ip/user/password
[02:55] <rbasak> jak2000: use SFTP or similar. Eg. PuTTY's PSCP or PSFTP. I have no idea if they give you a friendly UI or not though.
[02:57] <jak2000> ok
[02:57] <jak2000> sftp flashfxp
[02:58] <jak2000> thanks
[02:58] <jak2000> testing
[03:02] <cryptodan> filezilla
[03:04] <jak2000> done
[03:04] <jak2000> but have a problem
[03:05] <jak2000> cant enter to a folder
[03:05] <jak2000> i use a user named: jak, in /home/jak exist a floder named ftp
[03:05] <jak2000> cant acces it why?
[03:05] <sarnold> are you logging in with jak's credentials? what error message do you get when you try to access the directory?
[03:05] <sarnold> what owner / group / permissions are on the directory?
[03:08] <jak2000> Access Denied
[03:08] <jak2000> wait a moment
[03:10] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/9867092
[03:10] <jak2000> i can access to directory ftp2 but cant access to directory ftp
[03:10] <jak2000> how to fix it?
[03:11] <sarnold> jak2000: so, uh.. why is that directory setuid and setgid? is there a reason?
[03:14] <sarnold> jak2000: ... well, assuming you have no idea why those are set the way they are, you probably want to run "chmod 0755 ftp"
[03:17] <jak2000> ok
[03:17] <jak2000> changing
[03:19] <jak2000> done.....
[03:20] <jak2000> i am on windows, wich program need install for have a command line command? similar to command ftp?
[03:20] <sarnold> I think I heard putty has some command-line tools
[03:20] <jak2000> in the webpage
[03:20] <jak2000> ok, i try look, thanks
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:11] <LeGallois> Hi, what is the difference between 12.04.4 and 12.04.5 please
[12:13] <LeGallois> Got a site that wont run using fastcgi on the 12.04.4 server but will on the 12.04.5 server???
[12:14] <LeGallois> well it will run but throws up sporadic error 500 pages
[12:15] <lordievader> LeGallois: Read the release notes.
[12:16] <lordievader> LeGallois: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes
[12:17] <LeGallois> ty
[12:20] <LeGallois> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/12.04.5  :) yet to be done by the looks
[12:24] <pmatulis> morning
[12:25] <lordievader> Hey pmatulis, how are you?
[12:26] <rbasak> LeGallois: the default kernel is different I think. Apart from that, a dist-upgrade from 12.04.4 will take you up to 12.04.5.
[12:27] <rbasak> (and the x.org stack but not relevant for server)
[12:33] <pmatulis> lordievader: good thanks, how are you doing?
[12:34] <lordievader> Doing good here, preparing for FOSDEM :D
[12:54] <bananamanjoe>  could someone help me with a simple problem? i want to set a static ip on my ubuntu server that´s running on vmware. but i get this: http://puu.sh/f8NMx/6d77cc186c.png my config looks like this: http://puu.sh/f8NK1/a635b91f47.png
[13:03] <RoyK> bananamanjoe: 255, not 225
[13:03] <bananamanjoe> oh you´re right, that was a stupid mistake. Thanks RoyK!
[14:57] <LeGallois> rbasak thanks
[15:39] <grendal_prime> this is sort of a werid off topic question (maybe) but Im looking to upgrade some server memory on my kvm servers.  These are dell 1650's 1 is a generic ibm built version of this model. I cant find any info about 4 gig ddr2 modules.
[15:39] <grendal_prime> technically it should work so long as i have matching pairs right?
[15:40] <RoyK> grendal_prime: yep
[15:41] <RoyK> grendal_prime: 1650 is rather old, right?
[15:41]  * RoyK thinks we're throwing out such machines these days
[15:41] <grendal_prime> ya, i mean i pick these up for a couple hundred bucks..but i can run 8 windows vms on them..and 16 or so linux.
[15:41] <grendal_prime> I use them for mini clouds.
[15:42] <RoyK> ok
[15:42] <RoyK> openstack?
[15:42] <grendal_prime> If your throwing those out let me know ill pay shipping on them to dban them for ya and make sure there cleared properly.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> no..well maybe minicloud is not the proper term.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> i build like appliances for small companys.
[15:43] <RoyK> grendal_prime: if so, shipping where?
[15:43]  * RoyK is in .no
[15:43] <grendal_prime> they do ..filer, vpn, and virtual hosting all in one box.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> im in california
[15:44] <RoyK> ah. probably more expensive to ship it than to get something from ebay :P
[15:44] <grendal_prime> where you at?
[15:44] <RoyK> things are rather expensive up here, shipping included, and those machines are rather heavy
[15:44] <RoyK> norway
[15:44] <grendal_prime> oh shit..ya that would be.
[15:44] <RoyK> :)
[15:44] <RoyK> next out is a small stack of R300s
[15:45] <grendal_prime> the 1650s are a 1u 4 drive deal
[15:45] <RoyK> ok
[15:46] <grendal_prime> but ya i get them off of tiger direct for 200 bucks, then a 3 year warranty for 40 bucks more.
[15:47] <RoyK> grendal_prime: should work well
[15:47] <RoyK> grendal_prime: but try openstack on them :)
[15:47] <grendal_prime> they only have 2X 4 core xenons in them
[15:47] <RoyK> xeon
[15:48] <RoyK> well, openstack isn't heavy, it just makes things easier to handle
[15:48] <RoyK> kvm is the one doing the hard work
[15:48] <grendal_prime> ya i have been looking into it for a bit. I run ubuntu on them now and then just use virtmanager from netbook or laptop to manage them.
[15:48] <RoyK> also in openstack
[15:49] <grendal_prime> every time ive started down the openstack road, i run into some sort of snag.  Usually in setup
[15:49] <RoyK> :P
[15:49] <grendal_prime> is there like an openstack "distro" now..like an install that utilizes apt repos?
[15:50] <RoyK> computer studies at hioa.no, where I work, have a 16 node openstack cluster, each node with 64 cores
[15:50] <RoyK> grendal_prime: IIRC ubuntu 14.04 has openstack in the grub menu
[15:50] <RoyK> installer grub menu
[15:51] <RoyK> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[15:58] <grendal_prime> Installing Ubuntu OpenStack requires at least seven machines with two disks, two of which have two network interfaces (NICs). Install Ubuntu Server on one of the machines with two interfaces.
[15:58] <grendal_prime> hmm
[15:59] <grendal_prime> ya these guys are not going to go for..."you need 7 machines"
[15:59] <RoyK> I guess that's the easy way
[15:59] <RoyK> a machine can have more than one role
[15:59] <grendal_prime> not even the  power companys
[16:00] <grendal_prime> I dont know..seems like everytime i go down this road i run into something i cant do with openstack.
[16:03] <grendal_prime> may sound crazy. but like i need the host to run a vpn concentrator. Everything else i can run on a vm i guess, but, just seems like i loose some sort of eliment of control when i try it.  Any canned cloud service seems to be missing just..like one thing everytime.
[16:20] <devster31> hi, how can I install a desktop environment on a server without changing the default starting runlevel? I don't want it to start automatically, just when I call it
[16:20] <rbasak> Debian and Ubuntu don't use runlevels to distinguish between text and GUI modes.
[16:21] <rbasak> Just disable the correct service. lightdm probably.
[16:21] <rbasak> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files is the method to disable a service with upstart.
[16:22] <devster31> ok, so I can also try installing manually all packages except lightdm?
[16:24] <rbasak> I think that's more trouble than it's worth.
[16:24] <devster31> fair enough, thanks
[16:24] <rbasak> You start needing to develop a deep understanding of all the package involved, rather than just installing the metapackage.
[16:24] <rbasak> You may need something that depends on it.
[16:25] <RoyK> devster31: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do if you want graphics
[16:27] <devster31> I'm trying to do something weirder, I want to use x2go on a remote server with ubuntu-mate, but the ubuntu-mate-desktop metapackage automatically installs lightdm and boots into the login screen instead of console, so I wanted a way to boot the server without the additional gui stuff but still being able to load it when I use x2go
[16:29] <Walex> devster31: thanks for letting us know :-)
[16:30] <Walex> devster31: the previous suggestions and terminology are not quite right.
[16:30] <Walex> devster31: Debian derived systems don't really have "runlevels", just single and multiuser mode.
[16:31] <Walex> devster31: by default in multiuser mode a "Display Manager" is started, and the display manager then starts an X server and an X client session.
[16:32] <Walex> devster31: to prevent the activation of the display manager in Debian-like system set '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' to "none".
[16:33] <Walex> devster31: if you want a display manager to manager display on other hosts, but without starting a local X session, you have to edit the display manager's configuration accordingly.
[16:36] <devster31> I'm experimenting on a local VM before setting up the server, when you say "if you want a display manager to manage... " does it include ssh x11 forwarding? do I need a display manager to use x2go?
[16:42] <Walex> devster31: no, it does not include X11 forwarding.
[16:43] <devster31> ok, so I'm safe setting it to none, I'm never going to use it locally, just over ssh or x2go
[16:44] <Walex> devster31: when you use SSH or X2Go forwarding the remote display is usually managed already by a display manager.
[16:44] <Walex> But note that if you run the X2go *server* on the host you connect to, that needs a display manager.
[16:50] <devster31> it doesn't seem to be in the dependency list, but then again it is in the dependencies of almost every desktop environment
[16:51] <bananamanjoe> Could someone help me again? I succesfully set up DNS on my ubuntu server, and am able to ping it with my w7 client IF i manually give it the dns address in network properties. How can send the dns information so it finds it on auto?
[16:53] <RoyK> bananamanjoe: official domain?
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> I don´t know what that is RoyK, its supposed to look like this http://puu.sh/f9hrR/4561171a32.png. but if i use auto find DNS it doesnt find it at all http://puu.sh/f9hrR/4561171a32.png
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> oops
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> http://puu.sh/f9hwf/3a433d4eeb.png*
[17:06] <patdk-wk> fix your dhcp server settings
[17:07] <bananamanjoe> what´s wrong with them?
[17:08] <patdk-wk> what you posted
[17:08] <patdk-wk> it's EMPTY
[18:07] <f00lhardy> I'm setting up crushftp sftp server under ubu serv 14.04. For a linux ftp server, where is the standard place to put folders for ftp users?
[18:08] <f00lhardy> #crushftp
[19:30] <devster31> Walex changing /etc/X11/default-display-manager to non seriously breaks everything
[19:31] <devster31> no login on boot via CLI or GUI
[19:31] <devster31> no x session
[19:46] <QcR> Hi
[19:47] <sergey> What should I install and configure to make my site PHP send emails?
[19:47] <QcR> sendmail
[19:48] <QcR> easiest software
[19:48] <sarnold> postfix or exim
[19:49] <sergey> I just never did it before. Can you give URL to good tutorial from your point of view?
[19:50] <sarnold> sergey: give these a shot: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/email-services.html
[19:50] <jrwren> sergey: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html
[19:50] <jrwren> sarnold: ^5 !
[19:50] <sarnold> jrwren: :) ^5
[19:51] <sergey> thanks
[21:06] <jrwren> wow. https://packagecloud.io/pricing
[21:07] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9924008/ <-- anyone that knows what 'depth' means about the NCQ? and the AA after it?
[21:10] <pmatulis> jrwren, sarnold: re squid & universe, actually squid3 is in main :$
[21:11] <sarnold> pmatulis: sorry, how did I miss that?
[21:11] <jrwren> pmatulis: same here. I missed it, and squid is just a virtual package for squid3
[21:14] <ppetraki> RoyK, depth = # outstanding commands, AA is some sort of flag surrounding FPDMA. Not really sure what the code means
[21:14] <ppetraki> RoyK, libata-core.c line 2128
[21:15] <RoyK> ppetraki: thanks
[21:15] <ppetraki> RoyK, ah, "FPDMA auto activate"
[21:17]  * RoyK wonders
[21:18] <RoyK> how does CFQ and NCQ compare or compete?
[21:18] <sarnold> isnt one sas and the other sata?
[21:19] <RoyK> CFQ is the one in Linux written for rotating rust
[21:19] <sarnold> durrrrrrr
[21:19] <RoyK> TCQ is the one for SAS/SCSI
[21:19] <sarnold> dont mind me :)
[21:19] <RoyK> :)
[21:19]  * RoyK throws a snowball in sarnold's direction
[21:19] <sarnold> ow
[21:19] <ppetraki> play nice kids
[21:19] <RoyK> hehe
[21:20] <RoyK> *kids* :D
[21:20]  * sarnold throws a snowball at ppetraki 
[21:20]  * ppetraki is too old to duck soon enough
[22:46] <bananamanjoe> Can anyone tell me what i´ve been doing wrong? I´ve been stuck trying to setup a DNS server all day http://puu.sh/faasf/be353e9204.png
[23:03] <qman__> bananamanjoe: check /var/log/syslog for errors from BIND and pastebin them
[23:07] <bananamanjoe> qman__ I´m running it on vmware with host-only network and no gui. is there a quickway to get it to pastebin?
[23:07] <bekks> Install pastebinit and run "pastebinit /var/log/syslog" then
[23:10] <qman__> bananamanjoe: well, try this then
[23:12] <qman__> sudo service bind9 restart; tail -f /var/log/syslog
[23:12] <qman__> you're interested in the first error that bind throws (might be under 'named' as well)
[23:18] <bananamanjoe> oh that´s really helpfull, at first glance it seems to be syntax errors, let me fiddle a bit and come back^^
[23:21] <bananamanjoe> Yes! It´s working. Thanks for the help qman__. It was indeed some very stupid typo by me