[00:58] <m0nkey_> was their a recent update to the intel video driver? getting some crazy screen tearing watching netflix. never happened until I updated the other day
[03:29] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gz9TBt-DAQ
[03:30] <m0nkey_> can I get a summary?
[03:30] <diddledan> I'm just about to watch it - haven't seen it yet
[03:31] <m0nkey_> why doesn't the guy blow his nose?
[03:31] <m0nkey_> that sniffing
[03:31] <m0nkey_> i can't watch this
[03:37]  * zmoylan-pi watches back to the future instead
[05:20] <mapps> hi all
[05:25] <zmoylan-pi> snowed in yet?
[05:27] <mapps> nope
[05:27] <mapps> in gib
[05:27] <mapps> lol
[05:27] <mapps> ]dout theyve ever seen snow;p
[06:34] <knightwi1e> morning everyone
[06:38] <mapps> morning
[06:43] <mapps> hmm
[06:43] <mapps> thats not too bad
[06:43] <mapps> paid £6 for bank transfer on betfair
[06:43] <mapps> rather than waiting 3-5 days
[06:43] <mapps> :)
[09:29] <davmor2> Morning all today I will be mostly listening to the group responsible for the following line "I was just a skinny lad"
[09:32] <awilkins> Government passed the fracking trespass law
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Data Protection Day! :-D
[09:53] <bashrc_> morning
[10:03] <awilkins> Is that Data Protection as in The Data Protection Act ?
[10:11] <bashrc_> so, what's the deal with glibc? is it borked?
[10:11] <JamesTait> awilkins, apparently known as Data Privacy Day elsewhere. Originally focused on raising awareness of the importance of protecting personal data online, especially in the context of social networking, but has since expanded to include the kind of thing covered by the DPA, yes.
[10:15] <diddledan> rain. hard.
[10:20] <JamesTait> Very changeable here today.
[10:20] <JamesTait> Cloudy, then sunny, then suddenly very windy, hard rain, now cloudy and bright and still windy.
[10:26] <shauno> welcome to my world :)  (although we did throw 10 minutes of snow into the mix too)
[10:37] <popey> bashrc_: no. it had a security bug which affected some older releases of ubuntu, and that was patched and fixed.
[10:37] <awilkins> Fascinating bug though
[10:42] <bashrc_> popey: not recent versions?
[10:45] <popey> nope
[10:46] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2485-1/
[10:46] <popey> 10.04, 12.04
[10:46]  * bashrc_ tries to avoid feeling smugg about not having that bug
[10:47] <popey> :)
[10:48] <brobostigon> question, would my nexus 4 getting very hot, cause its charging to malfunction? and also cause the battery to drain oddly?
[10:51] <brobostigon> or is it an issue with android, and i just need to wipe and start again?
[10:54] <popey> under what circumstances does it get hot?
[10:54] <brobostigon> when under normal charging.
[10:54] <popey> with the charger that came with it?
[10:54] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:54] <popey> not pc connected, but wall-charger?
[10:55] <brobostigon> ac wall charger, yes.
[10:58] <brobostigon> for example. i had it on charge all last night, battery meter showed 99%, unplugged it, in seconds in then showed 81%.
[11:01] <brobostigon> also what i find odd, is for part of the night, in bettery details screen, its shows a huge gap, as if the phone was turned off, shows no network signal, awake time, no charging, nothing.
[11:17] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: That almost reads like a dodgy battery (failure to hold charge). Batteries can be damaged by poor charging (e.g. if the charger itself malfunctions)
[11:22] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: i would tend to agree, however can it just start malfunctioning like that out of the blue?
[11:27] <davmor2> <heavily encrypted message> JamesTait: 101101011010001110101111010101101101110110101011010101MUPPET1101011011010101010101101011011010101001101011010101100 </heavily encrypted message>
[11:30] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: I'd say so. Only thing to try would be a different charger. But if the battery has been damaged...then it's damaged.
[11:31] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: so the only solution is to stick a new battery into my nexus 4?
[11:33] <shauno> well, this is fun.  doing "remote hands" with a brazillian.  but via webex so I'm using his keymap
[11:34] <foobarry> you are getting a brazilian wax done by remote hands?
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Only if the battery is actually damaged. The way to test would be to charge via a different method (second charger, USB...) and see if that holds.
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> If the battery is damaged, I'd replace the charger at the same time.
[11:35] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: i see, ok, i shall test that out.
[11:35]  * TwistedLucidity is not an expert, does not have a Nexus 4
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Chargers gets *hot* (not just warm) is usually a bad sign IMHO
[11:35] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: i agree,
[11:36] <brobostigon> that very strange, i just rebooted, stuck it onto a fresh unopened charger, and it bounced from 91% to 99%.
[11:45] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: however what may seem like a simple question, how can a seemingly standard charger destroy a battery?
[11:48] <diddledan> is it lunch time yet?
[11:48] <brobostigon> close.
[11:53] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Fluctuating power? Incorrect current or voltage? Like I said, I'm no expert
[11:53] <popey> brobostigon: batteries don't last forever
[11:53] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: ah i see.
[11:53] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: http://www.pwrman.com/faq/can-a-battery-charger-damage-a-battery
[11:54] <brobostigon> popey: quite, yes.
[11:54] <awilkins> Google modular phone will at least bring back an era where you can replace the battery trivially...
[11:56] <brobostigon> a smart charger, interesting.
[11:56] <popey> foobarry: how was your time away?
[11:57] <foobarry> good thanks
[11:57] <foobarry> more time in the evenings
[11:57] <foobarry> also, i avoided the news and all forms of news
[11:57] <foobarry> which was good for my soul
[11:58] <popey> :)
[11:58] <foobarry> i am still avoiding news, just not so strictly as before
[11:58] <foobarry> got out of the facebook/twitter refresh habit
[11:58] <foobarry> hopefully
[11:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Pop off back, take out battery. Can't one do that on a Nexus 4?
[11:59] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Just checked
[11:59] <foobarry> also i made a thing
[11:59] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Takes careful prying and the battery is glued into place with sticky glue
[11:59] <awilkins> Hairdryer and slow force required
[12:00] <foobarry> i saw this pic in a book. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/TR_000978_kittyhawk.jpg so i made my own with recently finished tomahawk IIb in 1:72 scale http://i.imgur.com/GIXTc9n.jpg
[12:00] <selinuxium> *going midly bonkers over cifs shares*
[12:00] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Good grief. I have my current HTC but I'd hate that even more
[12:01] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, It's the perils of wanting slim devices
[12:01] <awilkins> No room for the extra walls on a snap-in battery module
[12:02] <awilkins> I wouldn't mind if they made them "user serviceable" as opposed to "assemble once, forget about it" though
[12:02] <awilkins> Like replacing some of those snap fittings with screws instead
[12:04] <awilkins> selinuxium, CIFS, blech
[12:04] <selinuxium> indeed..
[12:05] <awilkins> selinuxium, Most common problem I had was that you create a share, but the account Samba uses doesn't change it's password until you've changed the main unix account linked to it
[12:05] <awilkins> I think the PAM for Samba stores stuff in a different location to /etc/passwd
[12:07] <selinuxium> I have created a group 'transfers' and added all pertanent users. I mount the share usign the gid for the transfers. This works fine and changes the group for the share to be 'transfers', sadly it also changes the perms so that the group only has 'xr'
[12:08] <selinuxium> Doing my nut..
[12:09] <awilkins> ?? http://superuser.com/questions/274793/creating-a-samba-share-where-everyone-has-write-access
[12:21] <awilkins> Job vultures now turning to GitHub to recruit...
[12:22] <diddledan> awilkins, are they spamming you?
[12:24] <awilkins> Had a couple of mails from JVs who claim I came to their attention because of my GitHub and other online developer profiles
[12:24] <ujjain> is eBay bigger than Gumtree here?
[12:24] <awilkins> Oh, definitely, I think
[12:25] <awilkins> Everyone will know what eBay is. Most people would not know what Gumtree was
[12:27] <Myrtti> it's still functioning, though
[12:31] <JamesTait> Ooh, hail and snow now.
[12:32] <ujjain> ahh, right. let meuse ebay
[12:36] <awilkins> The newspapers promised vast drifts
[12:36] <awilkins> So far I have unconfirmed sightings of a sprinkling last night that was rained away
[12:42] <awilkins> Job Vulter has now followed my Twitter account.
[12:42] <awilkins> Nice to know one is in demand, I suppose
[13:15] <bashrc> the weather is rather bracing of late
[13:33] <awilkins> It's brass monkeys out there, and they're blowing in here too
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't feed monkeys on diet of beans then
[13:48] <diddledan> if you want a deep-dive into the ghost issue try http://lcamtuf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/technical-analysis-of-qualys-ghost.html
[14:52] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Fire-Phone-32-GB/dp/B00IFQ56PU/
[14:52] <popey> cheap phone
[14:57] <Azelphur> they really are giving them away now ;)
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> how many camera does it have to spy on it's users again? :-)
[15:00] <popey> Azelphur: see that bitcoin expo in london?
[15:00] <popey> http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-expo-2015-review-horrible-organizational-skills-lead-to-a-lot-of-missed-opportunities
[15:03] <awilkins> Nice. Classy. Hiring pretty ladies to come to your conference.
[15:04] <Azelphur> popey: yea I was there, I didn't think much of it too
[15:04] <Azelphur> I haven't read the whole thing yet, but we got told to stfu a couple of times
[15:07] <popey> nice
[15:07] <bashrc_> you paid $3000 to be insulted?
[15:07] <Azelphur> just on the phone atm, so will explain more after I'm done :)
[15:07] <zmoylan-pi> we'd do it for free :-P
[15:08] <bashrc_> :)
[15:10]  * Azelphur reads article
[15:15] <daftykins> wow you can't get the fire phone unlocked? no wonder they died ;)
[15:16] <Azelphur> popey: yea, so my company paid for me to go down there
[15:17] <Azelphur> I can confirm most of what was in the article really, the mics were broken and kept making really loud booming noises
[15:17] <Azelphur> which kinda wreaked havoc with my noise sensitivity, I stayed at the conference but I couldn't really enjoy the talks because of it
[15:17] <Azelphur> and at times the speakers just resorted to shouting because the mics were so broken
[15:18] <Azelphur> the pricing was ridiculous, £400 for a chair and a goodybag or free entry, I believe a total of zero people paid for a chair, and then upon realising that nobody paid for chairs, everyone just sat in the chairs.
[15:18] <daftykins> ugh
[15:19] <Azelphur> No space to talk was certainly an issue, we moved off to the side to get out of peoples way, and people still grumbled at us twice for talking while someone was giving a lecture.
[15:20] <Azelphur> I'm not sure whether the whole women padding thing is correct, I recognised and chatted with one of the girls there (Knew her from my time at Mozilla) so at least one of the women was legit. I also think their numbers might be a tad inflated with the ladies count.
[15:21] <Azelphur> and no food/drink at the venue was very strange, I was surprised when they had a lunch break and the lunch break was essentially fuck off outside and see what you can find.
[15:21] <Azelphur> so, yea, not the greatest of things I guess. I didn't stay for the 2nd day (even though my company would have paid for the hotel)
[15:22] <bashrc_> bitcoin is interesting but I've never really done anything with it. It seems to be mostly about speculation
[15:23] <Azelphur> bashrc_: it's very practical for me currently, work for a US based company, instead of ~2.5% exchange fees and international wire fees and 7 day transfer time, it's (practically) 0% fee and instant transfer
[15:26] <Azelphur> I don't think there were as many people as they were saying either, it was only a school hall and it wasn't anywhere near full. I'd say <200 people total.
[15:28] <popey> did you speak to the organisers at all?
[15:28] <Azelphur> no, my colleague left pretty early, and I left soon after
[15:30] <Azelphur> I mean I've been to conferences before and they are usually about meeting people, yet they had no space to speak to people and no time allotted to socialising like other conferences I've been to
[15:31] <daftykins> heh
[16:09] <diddledan> IL3 government is evil
[16:11] <awilkins> Question : I have 2 USB keyboards plugged in (One is a PS2/USB adapter with my model M on it, one is a standalone USB keyboard connected later)
[16:11] <awilkins> only the first one works
[16:11] <awilkins> The other one is small and light and means I can change posture and use it as a quiet lapboard during meetings
[16:11] <awilkins> Would like it to work.. is there a way I can select which keyboard is used, or have all keyboards work?
[16:11] <jpds_> diddledan: what?
[16:12] <diddledan> jpds_, IL3 is effectively "top secret"
[16:12] <awilkins> Impact Level 3
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> the other is a simple way of indicating the meeting has gone on too long :-D
[16:35]  * diddledan finally gets off the confcall
[16:36] <diddledan> trying to explain that single-sign-on can't just guess at a user's id
[16:37] <daftykins> lol
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> tell them that it means that if one person uses the password 123456 no one else can :-)
[16:37] <daftykins> ace security there
[16:37] <diddledan> someone said that our webapp should "just take the user id from the environment" and that it doesn't need to access the AD server
[16:37] <daftykins> where environment == thin air? :)
[16:37]  * zmoylan-pi has dealth with this... in a security company...
[16:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, there's lots of talk of "ITHCs" as in "IT Health Checks" to ensure that everything is suitable for the IL3 rating
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> 9/10 you can get the user from the environment of the windows pc.  as long as the pc hasn't been repurposed to someone else after the first user got a new pc
[16:39] <diddledan> and then they suggest not ensuring that a user is authorized to be using a specific id
[16:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, yes, single-sign-on with windows and IE is actually pretty sensible provided that your server supports AD and Kerberos
[16:40]  * awilkins actually worked on an app where users were identified by their passwords
[16:40] <awilkins> If you asked to change your password and got told "no" then you knew someone elses password.
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[16:40] <diddledan> awilkins, did it show their "user id" on the front-end?
[16:41] <awilkins> diddledan, Yes
[16:41] <diddledan> wow
[16:41] <diddledan> lol
[16:41] <awilkins> This was a multi-user environment (pharmacy software)
[16:41] <awilkins> OS user login and out would have been prohibitively costly
[16:41] <awilkins> And apparently feeding it a username also too much effort
[16:42] <diddledan> plaintext passwords are awesome!
[16:42] <awilkins> Password stored as reversible encryption, so not quite as horrible
[16:42] <awilkins> But still horrible
[16:43] <diddledan> I can imagine they improve that app by adding community features such as commenting. showing the user id against each post :-p
[16:43] <awilkins> Naah, this app was a rich-client app written in VB3
[16:44] <diddledan> hotlips1 is an admin. let's try logging-in using the password hotlips1 then
[16:44] <diddledan> eep
[16:44] <diddledan> not even VB6!
[16:44] <awilkins> Naah, the usernames were four characters
[16:44] <awilkins> Yes
[16:44] <awilkins> Won't even run on WIndows versions with no 16-bit thunking layer
[16:44] <diddledan> wow
[16:45] <diddledan> that's awesome
[16:45] <awilkins> When I left that company they were actually running up against the limits of the VB3 compiler
[16:45] <awilkins> I created a suite of compiler testing code to see what the limits really were
[16:45] <diddledan> app too big?
[16:45] <daftykins> XD
[16:46] <awilkins> The chief problems were string tables and global members
[16:46] <diddledan> aah managed memory space
[16:46] <awilkins> You're only allowed so many things in the global scope, and a certain amount of total space for strings
[16:46] <awilkins> The arrays were a PITA as well because you were only allowed a signed 16-bit integer as a counter
[16:47] <diddledan> yeah, VB (prior to .net) wasn't really supposed to be used for LOB apps
[16:47] <awilkins> Which made some of the things that should be trivial like sorting  > 33,000 rows in RAM a real PITA
[16:47] <awilkins> VB6 was a nice language
[16:47] <diddledan> I cut my teath using VB6 to create CGI apps
[16:47] <diddledan> teeth*
[16:47] <diddledan> and then I tried perl
[16:48] <diddledan> and then I cried
[16:48] <awilkins> VB6 wasn't incapable, with a few libraries and some decent engineering practise you could do good things
[16:48] <awilkins> But yeah
[16:48] <awilkins> I won't do VB.NET because it will destroy my legacy VB6 knowledge and then I won't be able to retire on it like the COBOL developers of the future
[16:49] <awilkins> I know absurd amounts of stuff about how to make it perform well, and how to overcome the annoyances of the compiler
[16:49] <diddledan> VB6 is inherently GUI-oriented so I was rather amazed that I coerced it into running headless binaries through a webserver
[16:49] <awilkins> Like how it gobbles COM interface IDs
[16:49] <awilkins> You can do that
[16:49] <awilkins> There's some tools for stripping the GUI and making CLI apps with it
[16:49] <diddledan> VB6 is really good at COM interop
[16:50] <awilkins> Yeah, I'd rather use VB6 for COM stuff then C++
[16:50] <daftykins> i'm debating going to finish an office upgrade prior to the secretary starting back tomorrow
[16:50] <daftykins> MS Office that is
[16:50] <diddledan> daftykins, MS Office, or furniture?
[16:51] <daftykins> :D
[16:51] <diddledan> aah you beat me to it
[16:51] <daftykins> i'm still suffering quite a bit from the tail end of this shingles malarkey so i'd not be moving furniture :D
[16:51] <diddledan> is it easing any?
[16:51] <awilkins> Boo : http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/01/28/1445201/justice-department-default-encryption-has-created-a-zone-of-lawlessness
[16:52] <daftykins> diddledan: it's all turned to scabs and eased off, but oddly the pain is worse now, like under the shower and from clothes moving atop it
[16:52] <daftykins> i've got myself some vitamin packs to help get rid of the last now, C and a big B complex pack
[16:53] <shauno> I'm loving this stuff with them freaking out over encryption.  they're basically endorsing products
[16:53] <diddledan> awilkins, that's absurd
[16:54] <shauno> if the DoJ whines something's too difficult to open, I'd consider that a selling point
[16:54] <awilkins> "Your brain has an area of lawlessness! Get the fMRI machine out!"
[16:57] <awilkins> Any idea why I can't use my extra USB keyboard? dmesg lists it as detected.
[16:58] <diddledan> awilkins, that is an odd pattern, one working and another not
[16:58] <diddledan> awilkins, maybe it's a bug in ibus?
[16:59] <awilkins> Might be power
[16:59] <awilkins> It was plugged into an unpowered hub#
[16:59] <daftykins> hubs *shudder*
[16:59] <awilkins> Have replugged it into a front socket and it works
[17:00] <awilkins> Which is annoying because it works fine in the hub when it's on Windows
[17:00] <daftykins> now i feel silly, because i was going to enquire whether you'd juggled ports around
[17:00]  * awilkins rarrs
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> did you plug the usb hub into itself :-)
[17:00] <daftykins> right i'm gonna go slay the MS office dragon
[17:00] <daftykins> laters \o
[17:00]  * awilkins has a thouhg
[17:01] <awilkins> Nope, doesn't even show up in dmesg when plugged into the hub now
[17:02] <awilkins> Tried unplugging my phone from the hub where it must surely be drawing current
[17:02] <awilkins> Shows in the hub on startup, then doesn't work (but the blue light was lit)
[17:02] <awilkins> Ah well
[17:03] <diddledan> hub not plugged into the pc or into a different pc than the one you think it is?
[17:04] <diddledan> (I'm assuming you have many pcs lying around :-p)
[17:05] <awilkins> Hub is plugged into this PC
[17:06] <awilkins> Only hub in this room :P
[17:06] <diddledan> hehe
[17:06] <awilkins> Know it works because i) the keyboard works on Windows, same socket, same hub
[17:06] <awilkins> ii) Hub works for other things
[17:06] <awilkins> iii) Keyboard lamp was illuminated all day (horribly bright blue LED)
[17:07] <awilkins> Detected on startup in dmesg, but subsequent insertions of keyboard didn't detect, or light up
[17:08] <awilkins> So meh, I'm guessing it's some kind of power management shenanigans that Windows is a bit chancier about
[18:11] <smurfy> #minting
[20:51] <diddledan> eep - just put a load of jeans in the washing machine and then couldn't find my phone
[20:51] <diddledan> it's safe thank goodness
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: scariest feeling EVER
[20:58] <shauno> especially when it won't let you open the door
[20:58] <diddledan> I have no idea how to stop my machine mid-cycle
[20:59] <daftykins> :D
[20:59] <daftykins> mines holding the power button
[20:59] <diddledan> daftykins, that's a pc
[20:59] <daftykins> pretty modern thing though, all fancy display and all
[20:59] <daftykins> lol
[20:59] <daftykins> it practically is :(
[20:59] <diddledan> lol
[21:00] <daftykins> it even gives me error codes
[21:12] <popey> ours has a red lever you pull
[21:16] <diddledan> popey, is that not a casino game?
[21:16] <popey> heh
[21:16] <shauno> you can win all your missing socks back?
[21:17] <daftykins> XD
[21:19] <ali1234> are there any consumer NAS units that can convert raid 1 to raid 5?
[21:19] <ali1234> that is, if i get a 4 bay and put two drives in it in raid 1, then later add two more drives and convert to raid 5
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> *convert*? I don't know.. but if I put 2 disks in my NAS, format it, then put in 2 more, it should do that I think
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> read up on synology's "hybrid raid"
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> (which is just LVM + MD + some fancy frontend )
[21:20] <ali1234> yeah but if you put two disks in and then put two more in and don't convert it to raid 5, then you're wasting an entire drive
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> yeah hence the "I think it converts"
[21:21] <ali1234> but you didn't say that :)
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> I implied :)
[21:24] <ali1234> looks like the typical netgear/WD/dlink stuff can't do it
[21:29] <popey> drobo :)
[21:32] <MartijnVdS>  http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_expand_the_RAID_Volume_with_additional_disks
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> ^ explicitly lists upgrade from raid1-5
[21:34] <ging> If you find an ubuntu bug report, which is marked solved, but really isn't solved at all, it's just been worked around, is it better to reopen, or start a new?
[21:34] <popey> bug number?
[21:35] <ging> 255889
[21:35] <ging> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/255889
[21:35] <popey> thats not actually a bug
[21:36] <popey> just a support question.
[21:36] <popey> what's the problem?
[21:36] <ging> apt-cdrom doesn't seem to work on 14.04
[21:37] <popey> what cd you trying to add?
[21:37] <ging> cds now mount in /media/$USER/ which seems to break things
[21:38] <ging> some software i need to be able to distribute via cd, but i have tried it with a downloaed ubuntu iso, and still doesn't work
[21:38] <popey> you want to make an archive on a cd and distribute it?
[21:39] <ging> yes
[21:39] <diddledan> ging, the error message tells you everything you need methinks: "You may try the --cdrom option to set the CD-ROM mount point."
[21:40] <popey> I have never used apt-cdrom, sorry.
[21:40] <diddledan> me either
[21:41] <ging> diddledan: well i have managed to get it to add it using the command sudo apt-cdrom add -m -d /media/$USER but then it seems apt can't use it from that location
[21:42] <popey> isn't it /media/$USER/<label> ?
[21:42] <popey> or similar
[21:43] <ging> i can add the label, but it doesn't need it, it scans for ti
[21:43] <ging> *it
[21:43] <popey> ah
[21:43] <popey> sorry, no idea
[21:43] <daftykins> why not ditch the auto mount and try a manual?
[21:44] <popey> i guess this is for newbs who are installing the software which ging distributes
[21:44] <popey> so it will automount for them
[21:44] <ging> that is manually mounted, the auto mount doesn't work at all
[21:44] <ging> yes we need very simple instructions to be able to make it installable
[21:45] <popey> is it a lot of debs then?
[21:45] <popey> not just one?
[21:45] <ging> the ubuntu software & updates manage also seems unable to add cds
[21:45] <ging> yes quite a few that interdepend and replace existing packages
[21:46] <ging> well it's 10, with several other optional ones
[21:48] <popey> can you not make a ppa and tell them to add it?
[21:48] <popey> or is it not public software?
[21:48] <popey> or just put them all in a folder and say "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" :)
[21:48] <ging> it contains some non public software
[21:49] <ging> and it must be distributed on physical media for some security complicance reason
[21:50] <popey> so put all the debs on a cd
[21:50] <popey> in the root
[21:50] <popey> tell them to put the cd in... "sudo dpkg -i /media/$USER/foo/*.deb"
[21:51] <popey> but that doesn't get away from apt-cdrom not working correctly
[21:51] <popey> is it a server or desktop?
[21:51] <ging> both
[21:51] <popey> bummer
[21:51] <ging> we need to get gui install to work too
[21:51] <popey> the grap[hical way to do it works okay
[21:51] <popey> open Software & Updates, go to "Other software" tab and hit the "Add volume" button
[21:52] <ging> doesn't work either
[21:52] <popey> lulz
[21:52] <popey> when do you need to do this by?
[21:52] <ging> atleast it doesn't for me
[21:52] <popey> I mean, are we talking this week/month?
[21:53] <popey> you could instruct them to add the line to sources.list manually?
[21:53] <popey> that's one line for them to paste/type
[21:53] <ging> yes that is how i have it now
[21:53] <popey> thats all apt-cdrom does
[21:53] <popey> ok
[21:53] <popey> sorry i can't help further.
[21:55] <ging> i still can't quite tell if the add volume on software and updates is just me, the apt-cdrom i have had some other people try and they get the same errors and i have tried it on a fresh vm wtih a virtual cd drive and the same thing happens so i am pretty sure it is a bug
[21:55] <ging> and is the same as reported in the bug report i found
[21:56] <ging> the problem is the solution to that was to use another method
[21:57] <ging> so do you think i should reopen or raise my own ?
[22:00] <popey> you should open a bug
[22:00] <popey> thats not a bug, its a q&a
[22:01] <shauno> I just tried on a 14.10 VM (but adding the cdrom for 14.04.1 because I had it to hand)
[22:01] <ging> surely it's a bug if the utility for adding cdrom sources, can't do the one thing it is meant to do
[22:01] <shauno> it worked, but a) wasn't very descriptive about wanting root access, and b) had to be pointed at the mount-point because the auto-detection doesn't find /media/soneil/fulltitle
[22:03] <shauno> (oh, and annoyingly, it unmounts whatever it finds at the mount-point before it runs.  which is annoying with the /media/soneil/ thing because the mount-point doesn't exist until the right disk is already there ..)
[22:04] <popey> ging: I'm not saying the feature isn't broken. I'm saying the thing you linked to isn't a bug report
[22:04] <ging> ah
[22:04] <ging> that makes sense now
[22:05] <shauno> this is what I get; http://paste.ubuntu.com/9924887/
[22:05] <shauno> so the process is - insert disk, run apt-cdrom --cdrom /full/path/to/mount add.  then re-insert the disk, hit return
[22:06] <ging> -m stops it unmounting it
[22:06] <shauno> ah, even betterer
[22:07] <shauno> I think it could be a lot more straight-forward though.  if the auto-detection just looked for any iso9660 mounted, and took a peek there first, it'd be 'magic'
[22:07] <popey> it used to
[22:14] <shauno> hm.  remind me never to look at apt's source again :)
[22:15] <diddledan> shauno, need some brian-bleach?
[22:16] <shauno> c++ just doesn't click with me.  and whoever wrote that appeared to be very excited about the ++ bit
[22:26] <diddledan> I think c++ is meant to not click with anyone
[22:29] <ali1234> um... did any one else's house just shake?
[22:31] <ali1234> twitter confirms it... earthquake in the midlands somewhere
[22:31] <shauno> wasn't there one yesterday too?
[22:31] <ali1234> yeah, i didn't feel that one though
[22:32] <moreati> didn't notice anything in east birmingham
[22:34] <ali1234> it made all the junk on my shelves rattle
[22:34] <ali1234> which isn't very hard
[22:41] <ali1234> http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/helicorder/heli_dir_shz/CWF_SHZ_GB_00.2015012800.gif
[22:54] <daftykins> well, that MS Office upgrade went relatively smoothly. guess i'll know for sure tomorrow when they use it :D
[22:55] <daftykins> diddledan: ah you're back. i'm eating a scotch egg! envy me!
[22:55] <diddledan> I'm eating a creme one
[22:56] <daftykins> hmm
[22:59] <daftykins> you win this round!
[23:07] <ging> i wish i had a creme egg
[23:08] <ging> i did have a choclate bar shaped like a pizza, but i ate it hours ago
[23:12] <ali1234> deep fried creme egg anyone?
[23:13] <Azelphur> popey: how strange, I just went to talk about that article with a friend, the site took it down
[23:15] <ali1234> bitcoin is so sketchy :(
[23:26] <shauno> ooh, 'rutland earthquake' on bbc news
[23:27] <popey> Azelphur: fancy that
[23:28] <Azelphur> strange
[23:30] <intrbiz> http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquakes/recent_events/20150128222601.html#page=summary
[23:31] <shauno> weird.  bbc are saying usgs recorded 3.8.  why they not use british one?
[23:33] <intrbiz> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000tjwv#general_summary
[23:34] <intrbiz> I suspect usgs published first
[23:38] <intrbiz> judging by my twitter feed people felt it in Loughborough, which is about 35km away
[23:50] <ging> ha there been another earth quake today?
[23:51] <ging> in UK
[23:52] <ging> wow that one was a lot bigger
[23:52] <diddledan> are we frakking yet?
[23:53] <diddledan> might as well blame that seeing as everyone else blames it for everything
[23:53] <ging> pumping expesnive chemicals into the ground to get out worthless oil?
[23:53] <ali1234> *gas
[23:54] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/zUx384q.jpg
[23:54] <daftykins> i like it
[23:54] <ging> gas is even more worthless, i remember when they litterally couldn't give it away
[23:55] <intrbiz> http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquakes/UKsignificant/index.html
[23:55] <ging> it was less than 10 years ago
[23:56] <ging> turns out it was actually real, not my crazy memory making stuff up
[23:56] <ging> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5402370.stm