[05:50] <Kilos> good morning everyone, 10mm rain last night so yay
[06:09] <Kilos> wb captine  
[06:09] <captine> thnx
[06:09] <captine> working from home today
[06:09] <captine> throat feels like sandpaper
[06:09] <Kilos> thats lekker
[06:09] <Kilos> thats not
[06:10] <captine> not fun trying to get juniper vpn to work on ubuntu.... prefer to try work from Ubuntu to see if i can :)
[06:10] <Kilos> dont kiss the baby
[06:10] <captine> yip
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe or your wife
[06:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:03] <captine> morning
[07:18] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[07:26] <bduk1> More almal
[07:26] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[08:08] <Kilos> wow rebuilding a deleted blod is a major enterprize
[08:08] <Kilos> blog
[08:08] <charl> good morning
[08:08] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:08]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:08] <Kilos> hi charl  
[08:08] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:08] <charl> how are you this morning
[08:08] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:08] <Kilos> tired already
[08:09] <charl> got up too early ?
[08:09] <Kilos> that and trying to rebuild my blog i deleted some years back
[08:09] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[08:09] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[08:10] <charl> ah, good good
[08:10] <charl> i saw your slexy post yesterday
[08:10] <charl> any particular reason for wanting to take up the pen again, so to speak ?
[08:10] <Kilos> lol ya that was a piece of it
[08:11] <Kilos> well things have changed after some years without blogging, and so many new things have happened
[08:11] <Kilos> ubuntu has grown
[08:11] <charl> tru... tru...
[08:11] <Kilos> kde especially
[08:12] <charl> well kde4 went from a complete mess to something that actually looks like something
[08:12] <charl> that is true
[08:12] <Kilos> and now with going to apply for membership i thought maybe i should continue the old one
[08:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:12] <Kilos> what is 14.04 kde
[08:12] <Kilos> i love it
[08:12] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[08:12] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[08:12] <charl> can't remember off hand but it's pretty stable
[08:13] <charl> i have tried it since beta
[08:13] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:13] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:13] <Kilos> very stable . only way ive managed to break this one was by mistakenly zeroing the drive
[08:13] <Kilos> hehe
[08:13] <charl> aamukahviaika
[08:13] <charl> finnish for "morning coffee time"
[08:14] <Kilos> you speak french?
[08:14] <charl> no i speak no french at all
[08:14] <charl> i only speak dutch, some afrikaans, german, english, finnish and japanese
[08:14] <Kilos> ah
[08:15] <charl> btw did you get your backup scheme sorted now after that zero-out incident ?
[08:15] <Kilos> lol i just rsync my /home folder atm
[08:16] <Kilos> to another drive
[08:16] <Kilos> oh and archives too so a clen install will cost nearly no data
[08:16] <Kilos> clean
[08:16] <charl> that is very good if you have data problems
[08:17] <charl> or limitations i should say
[08:18] <Kilos> well i tried it on another drive and all data i used was for update about 30m and 10meg in the upgrade
[08:18] <charl> nice
[08:19] <Kilos> then its like running the same drive and only used under 40m
[08:19] <captine> Kilos, i am going to install ubuntu on an old core2 duo laptop.  has a junk intel gma graphics card.  love unity but thinking of trying kde or gnome.  what machine are u running kde on?
[08:20] <captine> do i need lots of power
[08:20] <Kilos> im running it on this dual core 3g with 4g ddr3 ram and on a 3g dual core with 2g ddr2 ram
[08:21] <captine> mine is a ddr2 one with 4 gig.  u reckon it will be good'
[08:21] <captine> 32 bit '
[08:21] <Kilos> yeah
[08:22] <Kilos> sorry my other one is ddr ram not even ddr2
[08:22] <Kilos> 4g ddr2 should be fine
[08:22] <Kilos> ya 32bit on old machine
[08:22] <Kilos> 64bit here
[08:23] <Kilos> lol i have 4 drives with 14.04 kde on
[08:23] <Kilos> and one with 14.04 unity and one with 12.04 unity
[08:24] <Kilos> and one with elementaryos
[08:25] <Kilos> thats why i lose things
[08:26] <Kilos> can your pc do 64bit?
[08:26] <Kilos> i found it faster than 32bit here
[08:26] <Kilos> old pc cant do 64bit thats why i have 32bit there
[08:29] <Kilos> and im trying to repare an i3 with 2g ddr2 that ian crashed, 
[08:31] <Kilos> any one wanting to read my blog must do so quick before it grows too big again
[08:32] <Kilos> ill post every day or second day
[08:57] <captine> it is an old macbook.  it is a 64bit processor, but mac shipped some bios on the system that prevents 64 bit being used
[08:58] <Kilos> eish
[08:58] <Kilos> well 32 will work fine, the speed diffs is marginal
[08:59] <Kilos> you can also use flashrom to sort the bios
[09:02] <Kilos> i think flashrom have a channel on irc
[09:02] <Kilos> yes
[09:03] <Kilos>  #flashrom. ask there if you can sort the mac bios to work on 64bit
[09:04]  * mazal looks at Kilos
[09:05] <mazal> Oom your setup sounds more complicated than an OS reviewer's :)
[09:07] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[09:07] <Kilos> lol
[09:07] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[09:07] <Kilos> i also have one drive with xp and one with win7
[09:07] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[09:08] <mazal> Die gaan is ok , die terugkom sukkel
[09:08] <Kilos> nou ja jy word oud man
[09:09] <Kilos> check weer in 20 jaar en sien hoe voel dit
[09:09] <mazal> Beslis , en dis nie net die milage wat baie raak nie , die meeste van dit is grondpad ook
[09:09] <Kilos> haha
[09:09] <mazal> Ek sien baie uit na oor 19 jaar
[09:10] <Kilos> i was asked a question on the nairobi lug channel
[09:10] <mazal> Daai pla my nie , dis om daar te kom wat die probleem is
[09:10] <Kilos> how easy or hard is file sharing on ubuntu
[09:10] <mazal> Very easy
[09:10] <Kilos> zipper  ^^
[09:11] <mazal> Well , it depends what you use or want to use anyway
[09:11] <zipper> mazal: No just simple sharing of files and folders from a computer to the next.
[09:11] <zipper> mazal: Thanks
[09:12] <mazal> I use samba as I am in a multi-os environment. But I know there are those who hate it and prefer pure linux option
[09:15] <mazal> zipper: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/05/ubuntu1404-file-sharing-samba/
[09:15] <mazal> That is probably the most easy and user friendly way.
[09:16] <mazal> There are a lot of advanced settings that can be manually changed in the /etc/samba.conf file
[09:16] <mazal> But for just plain and simple sharing that way should suffice
[09:16] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[09:17] <mazal> I say again though , if you are in a "linux only" environment then there might be a better faster solution. Maybe hear what the other peeps say as well
[09:18] <Kilos> mazal  its to try convert a whole company to linux 
[09:18] <Kilos> so they need an os thats easy for win peeps to use
[09:19] <Kilos> arch is way out of win peeps reach
[09:19] <mazal> Good for them !! Well ubuntu is probably the most user friendly out there in my opinion
[09:20] <mazal> But no matter what you choose , you must realize and accept that you will have to learn a lot of new things. Be patient , stick with it , learn the new things. In the end it is well worth it ;)
[09:24] <Squirm> Hey all
[09:24] <Kilos> hi Jay77  
[09:24] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[09:24] <Jay77> Hi kilos, everyone
[09:24] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za Jay77  
[09:24] <Squirm> nfs is super zippy
[09:32] <captine> Squirm, i never managed to get my nfs to work with authentication.. need to try again sometime
[09:35] <Squirm> captine: uh
[09:35] <Squirm> I didn't know that was possible
[09:36] <Squirm> But you can limit it per IP address
[09:36] <Squirm> I was able to stream 10Gb of 3D, FHD movie over NFS from my Raspberry Pi, where I wasn't able to do it via Samba
[09:37] <Squirm> Samba must have had just too much overhead
[09:53] <superfly> Squirm: is the power out at the moment?
[09:54] <Squirm> superfly: indeed
[09:54] <Kilos> ai!
[09:54] <Squirm> 30min to go :/
[09:54] <superfly> figured so
[09:54] <Squirm> Kilos: It's a daily occurrence 
[09:55] <Squirm> http://ewn.co.za/assets/loadshedding/capetown.html
[09:55] <Squirm> It shows which zone is Load Shedding
[09:55] <Squirm> You can type in an address and it shows which zone you're in
[09:56] <Kilos> yeah according to the tswane schedule we were supposed to be mon wed fri and sunday 1600 to 1830 but they whacked us yesterday too
[09:57] <Squirm> So, I might be living in a house with our MD , that will be.... interesting
[09:59] <Kilos> lol
[09:59] <Kilos> then he can see all the naughty things you do
[09:59] <Kilos> that could be good or bad
[10:02] <Squirm> Yeah...
[10:02] <Squirm> Might get a free lift to work too
[10:02] <Squirm> I mean, he's a really nice guy and would be happy to live with him in general. Just this will be an interesting circumstance
[10:03] <Kilos> hehe
[10:08] <Squirm> He reckons we must just be perfectly honest with each other after a month and see where it goes. I can live with that
[10:11] <Kilos> cool
[10:16] <Squirm> We're back up
[10:16] <Squirm> @ superfly
[11:38] <captine> my loadshedding starts in 20 minutes, i think
[11:48] <mazal> What can I donwnload that is handy to have and not bigger than 10gig ?
[11:48] <mazal> Any suggestions ?
[11:52] <captine> mmmm
[11:52] <captine> u have some spare data for the monht?
[11:55] <mazal> Yep
[11:55] <mazal> Have about 10gig that needs to be used up before month-end
[11:55] <captine> i have the same thing
[11:56] <captine> am downloading the repos.... :)
[11:56] <captine> and some distros
[11:56] <captine> maybe a couple linux action shows
[12:08] <kulelu88> Did the meeting happen last night? I couldn't make it cause of the weather
[12:12] <zipper> captine: Ah linux action show
[12:13] <captine> yip.  love it.  watch it every Sunday night
[12:13] <zipper> I used to like them.
[12:13] <captine> and listen to Linux unplugged. cannot wait for their new Linux howto show
[12:13] <zipper> Now I think they're in it for the cash or are posers.
[12:13] <captine> lol
[12:13] <captine> they gotto make the money somehow
[12:13] <zipper> captine: I used to listen to linux unplugged and coder radio
[12:14] <captine> i like that popey from canonical is on linux unplugged often, and makes some good conversation
[12:14] <kulelu88> podcasts are booming again
[12:14] <captine> code radio is little over my head
[12:14] <zipper> captine: Yeah which surprises me.
[12:14] <captine> faux show is funny sometimes, and i watch bsd-now from time to time
[12:14] <zipper> captine: Coder radio is a lie.
[12:15] <zipper> Let me show you what's in my podcast feed. Top notch stuff.
[12:15] <captine> lol.  i am not a developer or admin, so no idea
[12:15] <captine> pls do
[12:15] <captine> i have no tv, so streaming is my entertainment
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy>  14:15:23 up 462 days,  5:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.81, 0.53, 0.55
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> stupid GHOST messing with uptimes :'-(
[12:16] <kulelu88> You have no actual television set?
[12:16] <zipper> Okay I'm downloading several things right now. So it's taking a while for me to load imgur.
[12:17] <zipper> captine: ^
[12:17] <zipper> captine: Wait not dev and not admin?
[12:17] <captine> yip
[12:17] <zipper> captine: Yeah you probably won't enjoy my stuff.
[12:17] <captine> accountant... but love tech... watch techsnap every week
[12:17] <captine> trying to learn some puppet stuff
[12:17] <kulelu88> What's your name? captine 
[12:17] <captine> etc
[12:17] <captine> Bradley
[12:18] <kulelu88> okay not the accountant I know
[12:18] <captine> :)
[12:19] <zipper> captine: Okay but maybe you will enjoy security now from twit.
[12:19] <zipper> captine: Wow the guys I'm trying to migrate to linux are almost in accounting.
[12:19] <captine> the only twit show i currently watch is FLOSS weekly.  get to see some interesting projects I otherwise wouldnt have heard of
[12:19] <captine> zipper?  almost in???
[12:20] <captine> i am trying to get my companies IT team to use it more
[12:20] <zipper> captine: I thought accountants are all coroporate and I didn't even bother telling them that linux exists
[12:20] <zipper> captine: Company secretarial firm.
[12:20] <captine> I have 2 vms I manage in our datacentre for playing on
[12:20] <zipper> captine: You know what that is I hope.
[12:20] <captine> but we are all MS Servers EVERYWHERE....
[12:20] <captine> yip. i know
[12:20] <kulelu88> accountants have to love linux. Do you know how much it saves on the IT-spend??
[12:20] <zipper> captine: lol MS servers.
[12:21] <zipper> kulelu88: Well I assume a ton.
[12:21] <zipper> but they love windows what can I do?
[12:21] <captine> I am a chartered accountant.  dealt with those companies.  I actually dont do accounting though.  Worked on setting up shared services in SA and Philippines and migrating financial systems to Oracle EBS.
[12:21] <captine> now I work in a different company looking at budgetting applications and process work
[12:21] <kulelu88> accounting is the number 1 profession to get to C-level positions in big corporates
[12:21] <zipper> Imgine they have to pay for a copy of office for each computer, a copy of windows for each computer and an antivirus for each computer.
[12:22] <zipper> That's the least.
[12:22] <zipper> kulelu88: C level meaning?
[12:22] <kulelu88> CEO, CFO, CIO, etc.
[12:23] <zipper> captine: Chartered accountant. I wanted to be that. I wanted to then be a chartered financial analyst.
[12:23] <captine> interesting.  kulelu88 i am keen on cio maybe  as I enjoy Tech...
[12:23] <zipper> captine: It was my dream since I was young but the way the Kenyan tertiary education system works. They decide what you will do to a large extent not you.
[12:24] <captine> annoying
[12:24] <zipper> captine: http://i.imgur.com/TcEncP9.png
[12:24] <kulelu88> another kenyan here? awesome stuff
[12:24] <zipper> kulelu88: You thought I was from South Africa?
[12:26] <kulelu88> it is ubuntu-za :-/
[12:26] <zipper> lol with the xenophobia I hear of in SA I can't just join a za irc channel and say "Hey, I'm foreighn."
[12:26] <kulelu88> and you're hiding in tor
[12:26] <zipper> It was a joke
[12:27] <zipper> kulelu88: Uh yeah I use tor but I keep telling people about who I am so I'm not anonymous.
[12:27] <kulelu88> xenophobia is among the african people, I don't think we get many africans on IRCs (which is sad in a way) 
[12:27] <kulelu88> tor is *not safe*
[12:27] <zipper> kulelu88: The xenophobia thing was a joke. I wasn't sure whether you'd be offended.
[12:27] <zipper> kulelu88: Who says that tor isn't safe?
[12:28] <kulelu88> being on the internet requires a tough skin. Very little offends (or should)
[12:28] <kulelu88> the EFF does. 
[12:29] <zipper> It's as safe as the people in charge of the routers running tor or want it to be. So if by any chance your traffic goes through a router owned by FBI then you're screwed.
[12:29] <zipper> I wish we could establish some sort of web of trust routes for tor.
[12:30] <zipper> kulelu88: Do you have a link for this?
[12:31] <kulelu88> zipper: They say the biggest tor-server contributors are the authorities. So basically, once you're connected, they're netting all the traffic (and can easily track it back to you)
[12:33] <zipper> kulelu88: Sad.
[12:33] <zipper> kulelu88: Have you tried i2p?
[12:34] <zipper> How is the programming community there? Are there many people doing programming?
[12:35] <kulelu88> in SA? we have plenty of programmers here.
[12:35] <kulelu88> Mostly Java, C#, PHP people
[12:35] <kulelu88> and some C/C++
[12:36] <zipper> kulelu88: and they make enough to feed their kids.
[12:36] <kulelu88> Most of the time the salary is quite good (with a BSc)
[12:36] <zipper> kulelu88: Hopefully plenty of programming jobs too nit just programmers.
[12:37] <kulelu88> demand outstrips supply
[12:37] <kulelu88> Then again, nobody wants to hire self-taught programmers (unless they take massive wage reductions), so it is a massive artificial demand in some sense
[12:38] <superfly> zipper: what Zenophobia?
[12:38] <superfly> *xenophobia
[12:39] <zipper> kulelu88: BSc. is no issue.
[12:40] <zipper> kulelu88: Maybe it being recognised out there is the issue.
[12:40] <kulelu88> What's your github account? zipper 
[12:40] <zipper> superfly: What xenophobia? lol Is this really the place to talk about all the things I hear?
[12:41] <zipper> kulelu88: I'm still in school.
[12:41] <kulelu88> school or university?
[12:41] <zipper> kulelu88: University. It's still a school, no?
[12:41] <zipper> kulelu88: https://github.com/urbanslug
[12:42] <kulelu88> not really?
[12:43] <zipper> kulelu88: Still very young at this so I doubt anything will blow your mind.
[12:43] <superfly> zipper: I'm just saying that you make it sound like people are getting shot all the time, but it's not like that.
[12:43] <kulelu88> You write Haskell *mind blown*
[12:43]  * superfly backs away from the Haskellian
[12:43] <zipper> superfly: but people get shot *sometimes* for not being south african?
[12:44] <zipper> kulelu88: I do. I do. I don't know anyone else from around here who does.
[12:44] <superfly> zipper: people get shot for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't mean that they're all xenophobic
[12:44] <kulelu88> Kenya is better for the cooler languages. Ruby and Python must be big there
[12:44] <zipper> kulelu88: So it's more or less a crap skill since nobody will hire me for it. :(
[12:45] <kulelu88> If you can write scaled backends in it, you'll get a job in USA
[12:45] <zipper> kulelu88: That's the dream yo!
[12:46] <zipper> kulelu88: They are big I was writing ruby for my internship but I feel there is this issue. Can one feed their family while programming is a question we should answer. Not just who is making this or that cool app.
[12:47] <kulelu88> You do realize that proper non-commodity programming is in major demand right now?
[12:47] <zipper> superfly: I heard that if I board public transport and speak english the other people might beat me because they want me to speak afrikaans not english. But I don't know afrikaans.
[12:47] <kulelu88> lol :D
[12:47] <kulelu88> I'm  yet to see an afrikaaner ride a taxi
[12:48] <zipper> kulelu88: Well in which country? Depends on how many people have smartphones in your country. SMS is still a major way of passing information to rural places.
[12:48] <zipper> kulelu88: What do they use (the afrikaaners)?
[12:48] <kulelu88> cars
[12:49] <kulelu88> and bakkies
[12:49] <zipper> kulelu88: So what I was told was a lie?
[12:50] <zipper> I really don't want to talk about xenophobia in SA because I don't know much and I don't want to offend anyone.
[12:51] <kulelu88> It's probably the same inaccurate info we hear about Kenyans killing each other with pangas
[12:52] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good evening. God bless
[12:52] <zipper> kulelu88: You call them pangas too?
[12:53] <kulelu88> yep
[12:55] <zipper> Wow
[12:55] <zipper> I was told that there are haskellers here.
[12:57] <superfly> zipper: I'm English, I speak English. In Cape Town you can speak English.
[12:58] <zipper> superfly: and ask questions in public transport in english?
[12:58] <superfly> zipper: Yes
[12:59] <superfly> In general, in Cape Town, most people converse in English
 superfly: I heard that if I board public transport and speak english the other people might beat me because they want me to speak afrikaans not english. But I don't know afrikaans.
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> oi o_O
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> where are you hearing this nonsense
[12:59] <zipper> Well ok but I heard the people there would think I'm trying to act like I'm unafrican or am better than them.
[13:03] <zipper> I just hear these things :(
[13:05] <kulelu88> zipper: it would probably be better to avoid race/cultural discussions here. Seems like we're having major race-relation issues already
[13:07] <zipper> kulelu88: Sorry :(
[13:08] <kulelu88> zipper: I don't know how the others feel but I'm cool with discussing it ;)
[13:11] <zipper> kulelu88: I'd rather not talk about programming or ubuntu and other such things. I don't want to cause friction.
[13:11] <kulelu88> are you trolling? zipper 
[13:12] <zipper> Oh sorry I meant
[13:12] <zipper> kulelu88: I'd rather talk about programming or ubuntu and other such things. I don't want to cause friction.
[13:13] <zipper> typo
[13:26] <captine> lol
[13:27] <stickyboy> Playing with nginx proxy_cache in front of a dynamic Tomcat app...
[13:34] <Kilos> whew
[13:37] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[13:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:40] <captine> stickyboy, hows that working
[13:41] <captine> I am wanting to demo Alfresco for our company instead of SharePoint... and want an nginx proxy to allow users to not enter the port numbers etc... prob an easier way, but nginx was how I thought of doing it
[13:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:41] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[13:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:45] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/117248-hetzners-new-data-centre-what-you-want-to-know.html
[13:56] <captine> Squirm, nice.  you work for hetzner?
[14:04] <Squirm> I don't
[14:04] <Squirm> captine: just an interesting article
[14:04] <Kilos> graeme doesa
[14:04] <Squirm> Looks like a nice place
[14:04] <Kilos> does too
[14:04] <Squirm> Kilos: I tried tabbing his nick, but he's not in the channel :P
[14:05] <Kilos> haha he went off earlier
[14:05] <Kilos> 15/31
[14:05] <Kilos> i was alseep and the scroll back is enough for me to go sleep more
[14:07] <Kilos> thats a mean data centre
[14:24] <zipper> stickyboy: Watching this snowden talk :D
[14:27] <zipper> stickyboy: The snowden parts need subtitles
[14:27] <captine> zipper, which snowden talk?  there was a ted talk with him on video conference.. that one?
[14:28] <zipper> captine: A lecture at havard.
[14:28] <zipper> captine: Let me get you a link.
[14:28] <zipper> The person Snowden is talking to is Bruce Schneir who is the one who writes the crypto-gram podcast and just about the greatest mind in crypto I know of.
[14:29] <zipper> *Schneier
[14:29] <zipper> So it's not a dumb journalist asking him stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ
[14:30] <zipper> In the talk Schneier says tor is giving the NSA a lot of trouble. Save for setting up fake exit nodes these guys have no way of actually breaking tor if every relay was run legitimately.
[14:32] <zipper> captine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ
[14:33] <captine> interesting
[14:56] <Kilos> captine  when you are bored go read my blog before it gets too big
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[14:59] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 19 hours, 19 minutes and 50 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-27 11:39:24 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-27 12:08:34 PST
[15:00] <kulelu88> sunshine now
[15:00] <kulelu88> oom how was the meeting last nite?
[15:01] <Kilos> very lekker kulelu88  
[15:01] <Kilos> we covered lots of things i think
[15:01] <kulelu88> How did you make it? The lightning was so bad
[15:02] <Kilos> was lucky i suppose
[15:02] <Kilos> there are minutes somewhere
[15:02] <Kilos> i cant scroll back so far
[15:04] <Kilos> and i can never find the logs
[15:08] <zipper> Kilos: Which is your blog?
[15:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:09] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[15:09] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[16:11] <Xethron> yo Kilos
[16:13] <Kilos> lol that took a while
[16:53] <captine> i am now doing one of my most hated activities... Paying Telkom for a landline that I dont want or need, other than for the fact that to have ADSL i am forced to rent a phoneline
[16:54] <kulelu88> economic costs
[16:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:15] <Squirm> ehlo all
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[17:24] <Kilos> were you at the meet last night?
[17:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:25] <Squirm> Nope
[17:25] <Squirm> I never make it
[17:25] <Kilos> oh
[17:25] <Kilos> bad boy
[17:25] <Squirm> I think I've been in attendance for 2 or 3
[17:25] <Squirm> and I've been coming here for a while now...
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <Squirm> Registered : Sep 26 21:43:41 2009 (5y 17w 5d ago) 
[17:26] <Squirm> Yeah... I've been here for a while
[17:27] <Kilos> ya you helped me with mxit in pidgin on 9.04 or 9.10
[17:27] <Squirm> Although, I see you registered on 09 Nov 2009
[17:27] <Kilos> maybe 8.10
[17:27] <Squirm> Registered : Nov 09 21:22:49 2009 (5y 11w 3d ago)
[17:27] <Squirm> I beat you by 7 weeks ;)
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:28] <Kilos> i think it took me a year to even get that far
[17:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:29] <Kilos> same as the fly, one of the ballie4s in ubuntu and only now going for membership
[17:29] <Kilos> at least i never came here with windows
[17:29] <Squirm> superfly registered his Nick in '08
[17:30] <Squirm> Wow, I've been on IRC for a long time
[17:30] <Kilos> yeah
[17:30] <superfly> Squirm: check when "who_da_fly" was registered, that was my first nick
[17:30] <Squirm> I think I first started chatting on IRC in '05/'06
[17:30] <Squirm> oh dear superfly
[17:30] <Squirm> '06
[17:30] <Squirm> Not bad
[17:31] <Squirm> I chatted on Atrum in '06
[17:31] <kulelu88> julle is almal ooms nou
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <superfly> kulelu88: I have been an "oom" in the colloquial sense for a while now :-P
[17:32] <kulelu88> I'm getting there also
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my
[17:32] <Kilos> boet had a child too
[17:32] <Squirm> kulelu88: I'm not an 'oom'
[17:32] <Kilos> forgot his name
[17:33] <kulelu88> You under 30 ? Squi
[17:33] <kulelu88> Squirm: 
[17:33] <Squirm> kulelu88: haven't hit 25 yet
[17:33] <Kilos> ya Squirm  is a baby still
[17:33] <kulelu88> Under 23? Squirm 
[17:33] <Squirm> kulelu88: 24 in March
[17:33] <kulelu88> oh, almost my age
[17:34] <Kilos> kulelu88  arent you supposed to give your old nick??
[17:34] <Kilos> huh??
[17:35] <kulelu88> ja. But I like being anon :D 
[17:35] <Kilos> grrrr
[17:35] <kulelu88> I thought you'd figure it out by now oom
[17:35] <kulelu88> ek is jou seun :'D
[17:36] <Kilos> its eating at me man but just cant place you
[17:36] <Kilos> its the oom thing from the beginning
[17:36] <kulelu88> almal ken jou as die oom
[17:36] <Kilos> nuvolari  
[17:37] <Kilos> ja maar toe jy die eerste keer groet toe se jy al oom
[17:37] <Kilos> voor ander 
[17:37] <Kilos> so jy is al bekend
[17:38] <Kilos> superfly  can you id him?
[17:39] <superfly> Kilos: all I can tell you is that it looks he's connecting via Afrihost (or at least, the MTN network)
[17:40] <Kilos> im sure he said last night hed be on old nick soon
[17:40] <Kilos> but in this modern world soon could be next year
[17:41] <Kilos> like ian says see you later and its sometimes 2 weeks later
[17:41] <Kilos> grrr
[17:42] <kulelu88> I'm connecting via Axxess
[17:42] <Kilos> so is the fly
[17:42] <Kilos> and graeme
[17:42] <Kilos> but you too young
[17:43] <Kilos> but its fine , torment me. soon ill be a member and then you will pay
[17:43] <Kilos> magespawn
[17:43] <Kilos> 'no
[17:43] <kulelu88> :D :D :D :D :D
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:44] <Kilos> mage is older
[17:44] <Kilos> superfly  do we get to rev them if we are members
[17:45] <Kilos> oh there was someone in port shepstone
[17:46] <Kilos> ai!
[17:46] <Kilos> we must add to our code of conduct
[17:46] <Kilos> no ragging the ballies
[17:47] <Kilos> thats why you miss the meets kulelu88  you dont want to login with your name
[17:47] <kulelu88> If I went to yesterdays meet, I'd have no modem or laptop today
[17:48] <Kilos> oh my
[17:48] <Kilos> what modem are you using
[17:48] <Kilos> huawei
[17:49] <Kilos> inetpro  tell me who he is man
[17:54] <Kilos> hmm... private user
[17:55] <Kilos> gremble
[17:55] <Kilos> nee man jy maak my kop seer
[18:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:23] <Kilos> wb captine  
[18:26] <captine> thanks
[18:26] <captine> trip switch had me fooled...
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <captine> Kilos, just coming back to the meeting last night.  we said we should mail content suggestions for the new site on the ZA mailing list, right?
[18:29] <Kilos> yip
[18:29] <captine> ok
[18:29] <Kilos> you got some
[18:29] <captine> am thinking about it
[18:29] <Kilos> make it att superfly
[18:29] <Kilos> dont think man , just do
[18:30] <captine> am thinking of suggestions
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> ask superfly  
[18:30] <Kilos> hes the man
[18:30] <superfly> captine: have you seen my "demo" site?
[18:31] <captine> yip.  looks really slick.  cannot remember the tool you said it is in
[18:31] <captine> am setting up a home server to learn how to use markdown instead of drupal etc
[18:33] <superfly> captine: we're using Nikola
[18:33] <captine> think you've told me that about 4 times already.. will write it down.
[18:33] <captine> lol
[18:34] <superfly> captine: if you want to try your hand at checking out the site, committing, etc: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[18:36] <captine> cool.
[18:36] <captine> will do.
[18:36] <captine> are you pushing everything to bazaar?
[18:38] <captine> superfly, do you use bazaar a lot for work?
[18:38] <superfly> no, we use Mercurial, but for my open source stuff I use bzr
[18:38] <superfly> I prefer bzr, it's simpler
[18:39] <superfly> less to confuse you with, easier to use, almost zero maintenance
[18:39] <kulelu88> bzr is easier than git?
[18:39] <superfly> but yes, I'll be pushing everything to bzr/LP
[18:39] <superfly> kulelu88: yes
[18:39] <kulelu88> sure??
[18:39] <superfly> kulelu88: git is over-complicated
[18:40] <superfly> kulelu88: git, or github? they are two different things
[18:40] <kulelu88> I've been playing with git long enough to know the difference :P
[18:40] <captine> I have setup git at work.  main reason for driving me to git is not much has apparently been committed to bazaar as a tool (per some site i read).  Seems GIT is getting more updates and commits to the actual tool.
[18:41] <captine> setup a gitlab server with GIT as a proof of concept.  tried bazaar first and really liked it 
[18:41] <captine> superfly, is the site going to run on nginx or apache?
[18:41] <superfly> captine: I was gonna say... using git with something like gitlab
[18:41] <superfly> captine: apache, but it's static
[18:41] <captine> cool.
[18:42] <superfly> captine: bzr is not stagnant, just doesn't have as much clout or press as git
[18:42] <kulelu88> I know another nice tool. Phabricator
[18:42] <superfly> "OH MY HERD LINUS WROTE GIT MUST USE"
[18:42] <kulelu88> More advanced than gitlab or github
[18:43] <superfly> hrm, never heard of that one
[18:43] <kulelu88> Quite easy to setup if you guys need it done
[18:43] <kulelu88> Have a lot of setup notes
[18:43] <captine> yip.  my other reason for going git was a "political" one.  Trying to get my company to embrace open source (ubuntu in particular), but didnt want to only push ubuntu/canonical related projects...  
[18:44] <kulelu88> captine: Would your company pay for maintenance of linux boxes?
[18:44] <superfly> captine: sure, use what you want/need
[18:44] <captine> will look into phabricator.  i have our gitlab community edition connected to our AD... took half the day (am a accountant, with zero active directory knowledge...)
[18:44] <captine> kulelu88, i would encourage it. 
[18:44] <superfly> captine: it's not just you, AD is a beast at the best of times
[18:45] <kulelu88> I was thinking of setting up a small consultancy for open source maintenance
[18:45] <captine> we pay for windows licenses and for server monitoring, and for backups, and for database mirroring and +++++
[18:45] <superfly> kulelu88: do you use git-flow?
[18:45] <kulelu88> If you dont mind disclosing, what is the total cost?
[18:45] <superfly> captine: if you don't yet, I recommend using git-flow
[18:45] <kulelu88> git-flow being similar to gitlab? I looked at it (if I recall it being that one)
[18:46] <kulelu88> ^^total cost? captine 
[18:46] <superfly> kulelu88: no, it's an addon to git
[18:46] <captine> prob is we have all Windows admins, who are not willing to look at anything else until we have stabalized... and stabalized = having MS SQL server cluster, SharePoint, MS Project Server, Exchange, +++++
[18:46] <superfly> kulelu88: it tries to make using git less complicated
[18:46] <captine> we moved from a badly configured novell environment with a couple Suse Enterprise boxes, to a centralized MPLS network with all hyper-V and MS Servers on an IBM Pureflex
[18:46] <kulelu88> superfly: I stick to a few git commands mostly. I don't use the kitchen sink with it
[18:47] <kulelu88> captine: I bet you got those novell licenses from 1 company in JHB
[18:47] <captine> kulelu88, i am not in the know of the costs... but it is a lot
[18:47] <superfly> kulelu88: git-flow is about workflow, works nicely in a more collaborative environment
[18:47] <captine> kulelu88, i was not at the company when they were getting the licenses
[18:47] <kulelu88> I'll have a look superfly , but no time to code as much these days
[18:49] <superfly> anyone else do CI?
[18:49] <captine> superfly, not to sound airy fairy, but with the website... what is the purpose exactly, given that there is a ZA Team wiki etc etc on ubuntu's website.  i assume it is a simple landing page to provide a quick intro the the SA log and help people orientate around the different resources available and the ZA wiki pages etc?
[18:49] <kulelu88> CI?
[18:50] <superfly> captine: yes, pretty much.
[18:50] <captine> cool
[18:50] <superfly> kulelu88: Continuous Integration
[18:50] <captine> nope.  u mean using tools like jenkins etc?
[18:50] <superfly> captine: yesa
[18:50] <superfly> *yes
[18:50] <kulelu88> Travis-CI??
[18:50] <superfly> we're using Jenkins at work, but it's not cutting it
[18:50] <superfly> kulelu88: we need something local, I don't think Travis does local?
[18:51] <kulelu88> Aren't CI tools like Jenkins "push", but tools like Chef/Puppet are "pull"??
[18:51] <captine> i am fascinated by these tools.  i dont really understand what they do... herd freebsd have jenkins doing something with tests etc, but havent really got a clue as to the purpose.
[18:51] <captine> wish I had time to just sit and learn these things
[18:52] <kulelu88> captine: A lot of it is overkill for small projects. You can think of them as what quickbooks/tax-file-tool is to an accountant
[18:53] <superfly> captine: we use Jenkins for automatically running all of our tests in our projects, so that we can check that nothing has broken between commits/builds
[18:53] <captine> so you write tests in code?
[18:53] <captine> and jenkins processes them,?
[18:53] <kulelu88> Only if you code in a dynamic language or don't do functional programming
[18:53] <captine> with a report being output/or alert
[18:54] <superfly> captine: pretty much
[18:54] <superfly> kulelu88: we write tests for our two embedded platforms
[18:55] <captine> so can it do things like loadrunner?
[18:55] <superfly> I've been looking at Go CD, which seems to be slightly more in line with what we are trying to do. http://www.go.cd/
[18:55] <captine> we used that to mimic hundreds of users on our Oracle EBS application, at my prior job
[18:56] <superfly> captine: yes
[18:56] <captine> wow.  so it can mimic a user and enter data into a web form etc?
[18:56] <kulelu88> you'd make a decent CIO captine 
[18:56] <kulelu88> some of them don't even know what ubuntu is
[18:57] <kulelu88> At time like these, I wish I had fibre. 512 upload :(
[18:57] <captine> one thing I noticed.  senior IT people know everyone in the industry and have relationships etc... generally in the MS space... not having "grown" throuhg the industry, one lacks the contacts
[18:58] <captine> kulelu88, what connection are you on
[18:58] <kulelu88> 2MB
[18:58] <kulelu88> ADSL
[18:58] <kulelu88> No point bumping up to 4MB if my exchange max is 4
[18:59] <captine> i hear u
[19:00] <kulelu88> As I understand, some companies are running on 4/10MB shared.
[19:00] <kulelu88> in 2015...
[19:00] <captine> i just want fibre.. to my house... 6 to 10 meg would make me happy
[19:01] <kulelu88> The prices aren't worth it. My colleague in Portugal pays I think 30-45 euro for TV, like 50MB fibre and what seems to be unlimited access
[19:02] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[19:02] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[19:08] <captine> well, i am on 10meg adsl and it is expensive.  would rather cancel the phone line and pay a similar amount for slightly slower fibre but get a better connection
[19:09] <kulelu88> fibre is synchronous, so if you use your fibre for work sometimes, having 5MB upload is awesome.
[19:09] <kulelu88> Plus you support torrenting with a faster speed
[19:13] <captine> yip
[19:14] <captine> makes it easier to work from home...although much of my work is on a terminal server, so upload is not critical
[19:14] <captine> for work
[19:14] <superfly> captine: we use Selenium for that sort of "click on a web page" testing
[19:15] <kulelu88> superfly: What embedded platform/s does your company build?
[19:15] <captine> selenium
[19:15] <captine> ok. will look into it
[19:16] <kulelu88> You have to program the click action, captine 
[19:16] <superfly> kulelu88: we build a mobile POS for micro transactions (ugh, marketing speak) with a management platform behind it
[19:16] <kulelu88> Pocket POS for nedbank? 
[19:16] <kulelu88> Or are you guys that POS startup?
[19:17] <superfly> kulelu88: so on the POS we are using an HCS08 and a SoC from SierraWireless called an SL6087
[19:17] <superfly> that pos startup
[19:17] <kulelu88> I recall you guys being in cape town... 
[19:17] <superfly> yep, that's where we are based
[19:17] <kulelu88> but you're in jhb now?
[19:18] <superfly> nope, in CA
[19:18] <superfly> (Cape Town)
[19:18] <kulelu88> I thought you came to JHB. Confused
[19:21] <superfly> nope, in CPT. We're still looking for developers, so if you wanna move to Cape Town, here's your chance.
[19:21] <kulelu88> What's the starting package for a junior with no degree?
[19:21] <kulelu88> no *CS degree
[19:23] <superfly> kulelu88: we don't have specific packages, it depends on how much we think you're worth
[19:23] <kulelu88> I know I'll end up taking a pay cut for any position I take now
[19:23] <superfly> kulelu88: what's your current position?
[19:24] <kulelu88> security analyst
[19:24] <kulelu88> :D
[19:24] <captine> that sounds interesting
[19:25] <kulelu88> Unhirable in SA captine 
[19:25] <superfly> Hrm, we could do with one of those. I'm playing security analyst at the moment, and while I seem to have a good head on my shoulders (I was told so by a security specialist), I am not experienced in that.
[19:25] <superfly> kulelu88: not even sensepost?
[19:25] <kulelu88> I always get asked "why programming when you have a business degree". over 50% of entrepreneurs aren't programmers
[19:26] <superfly> hah
[19:26] <magespawn> good evening
[19:26] <superfly> don't worry, I think you'll be fine here... but do you have an answer to that question?
[19:26] <superfly> (our CEO is a mechanical engineer)
[19:26] <superfly> hi magespawn
[19:26] <kulelu88> superfly: I think I did approach them (name sounds familiar), but nobody takes a chance on grads these days, unless you're a BEng/BSc with 80+% 
[19:26] <captine> kulelu88, what degree do you have?  am sure Deloitte has a security testing team even (I did articles at Deloitte and remember them talking about their "hackers" in the Enterprise Risk department
[19:27] <captine> they had some guys that would do pen testing etc
[19:27] <captine> for clients
[19:27] <captine> i think
[19:27] <captine> hi magespawn 
[19:27] <superfly> yeah, Deloitte have a security team
[19:27] <magespawn> captine now that would be a cool job to have
[19:27] <kulelu88> captine: I tried Deloittes consulting division (more appropriate for my "business" degree :D)
[19:27] <magespawn> hi captine superfly
[19:27] <captine> what degree ?
[19:28]  * magespawn goes to have a look at that
[19:28] <kulelu88> Economics
[19:28] <captine> ok. you looked at the banks?
[19:28] <kulelu88> superfly: The basic answer is that I learnt to program as part of my desire to not depend on the "tech" guy to build things for myself
[19:29] <kulelu88> nope, captine 
[19:30] <superfly> kulelu88: that'll work for us. So, when are you applying? :-P
[19:30] <superfly> kulelu88: do you see yourself doing JavaScript?
[19:30] <superfly> http://nomanini.com/careers/software-developer/
[19:31] <magespawn> superfly: do you guys need a gdb?
[19:31] <superfly> GDB?
[19:32] <superfly> gnu debugger?
[19:32] <kulelu88> I've seen you guys advertise. Why don't you put your job openings on the Python User Group?
[19:32] <superfly> kulelu88: I have once or twice
[19:32] <magespawn> lol. no. general dogs body
[19:33] <kulelu88> let me scan my email to see if I've ever contacted your company
[19:35] <kulelu88> aah okay, i haven't applied there :D
[19:36] <superfly> I've updated the test site, btw, captine: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[19:36] <captine> superfly, cool.  i am working through your bazaar tutorial
[19:36] <captine> setting up my ssh key on bazaar... did the signing of the code of conduct yesterday with that whole pgp key thing... wow it was a bit complicatd
[19:41] <magespawn> superfly i am going to be doing a release upgrade when i can, so i can get the upto date version of nicola, and after that learn how to use properly so i can contribute to the site
[19:42] <superfly> magespawn: cool beans
[19:42] <magespawn> might take awhile, i have a few issues at wor to take care of
[19:42] <magespawn> at work too
[19:46] <captine> superfly, quick one.  i have done the "bzr co lp:ubuntu-za trunk" but just want to confirm the  "bzr branch trunk new-contact-page" command.  does that create a new branch called "new-contact-page"
[19:46] <superfly> captine: yes.
[19:46] <captine> i think i see now.  sorry, tired and ready slowly
[19:46] <superfly> captine: that's just an example for creating a new branch
[19:46] <captine> sure
[19:50] <captine> superfly, what version of ubuntu u running?  the readme says 14.04 users should setup a vm or something>
[19:50] <captine> ?
[19:50] <superfly> captine: I'm using Debian ;-)
[19:51] <captine> sneaky :)
[19:51] <superfly> captine: 14.04 you need a Python virtual environment, so that you can install the latest version of nikola.
[19:51] <captine> ok.  let me see.
[19:52] <kulelu88> I can help you guys with a virt env. Use Docker
[19:52] <kulelu88> or pyenv
[19:52] <kulelu88> or pythonbrew
[19:52] <superfly> kulelu88: I haven't used docker, nor pyenv.
[19:52] <superfly> kulelu88: what about "virtualenv" :-P
[19:52] <kulelu88> just venv itself?
[19:52] <kulelu88> works
[19:54] <superfly> kulelu88: ah, pyenv does something different to virtualenv
[19:54] <kulelu88> as does Pythonbrew
[19:54] <captine> i played with docker and juju... and kvm.. now, just cleaned all of it and using a seperate machine for all those
[19:54] <kulelu88> I like Docker
[19:54] <kulelu88> it's going to be useful for my 1man projects
[19:56] <captine> superfly, u look at picocms?
[19:57] <captine> similar sor of thing (I have no idea on using either tool)
[19:57] <superfly> captine: I recall the name, haven't looked at it though
[19:57] <captine> i think ubuntu-mate's website is based on it
[19:57] <captine> or on somethign else
[19:58] <captine> downloading nikola
[20:01] <captine> superfly, downloaded nikola... think i will try install it tomorrow or on the weekend.
[20:01] <captine> getting sleepy
[20:02] <inetpro> good evening
[20:02] <magespawn> hi inetpro 
[20:02] <captine> eve inetpro 
[20:04] <inetpro> ai!
[20:04] <superfly> hi inetpro
[20:04] <magespawn> ai?
[20:05] <inetpro> hi superfly, captine, magespawn
[20:05] <inetpro> you guys been busy today
[20:05] <inetpro> too much to catch up
[20:06] <inetpro> superfly: I shortened the topic a bit
[20:06] <superfly> I can't even remember what it was
[20:07] <inetpro> took out the mailing list address... that should be on the site
[20:07] <inetpro> even twitter should be on the site
[20:14] <magespawn> i am off to bed good night all
[20:14] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:18] <qwebirc74266> octoquad here testing the new IRC client on the new website. Wazzup!
[20:19] <superfly> hey qwebirc74266
[20:21] <octoquad> evening
[20:22] <superfly> sup octoquad
[20:22] <octoquad> greetings superfly 
[20:23] <octoquad> had a squizz at the site. nice one :)
[20:23] <octoquad> let me know if you need a hand, pretty keen to help out if I have itme
[20:23] <octoquad> time*
[20:26] <superfly> octoquad: I do. I mostly need content. Getting the technical stuff done is the easy part.
[20:27] <octoquad> hmm, Ok, I haven't been here in years, so I'm kinda out of the loop. Do maybe need to migrate content over from your old site to the new one?
[20:28] <octoquad> *Do you...
[20:32] <inetpro> superfly: ty for posting the email
[20:32] <inetpro> that should get the ball rolling
[20:41] <captine> yip.  thanks
[20:46] <superfly> octoquad: not necessarily
[20:55] <captine> superfly, should we put the old site in maintenance mode?  2013 was the last post?
[20:56] <superfly> captine: ideally I'd like to get the new site up and running in the next 2 weeks.
[20:56] <captine> ok.  cool
[21:01] <captine> i just made a "testing" branch to learn a bit...
[21:09] <captine> superfly, just a quick one.. if i create a page called "Getting Involved", do i just create a .rst file under the "pages" folder?
[21:09] <captine> is that how this works?
[21:46] <zipper> WOW night people.
[21:46] <zipper> Sweet :D
[21:54] <captine> superfly, we didnt chat about the "Global Jam" that is coming up in our meeting.  Maybe, we can "repurpose" it and get time in peoples calendars to contribute to the site>
[21:54] <captine> think it is Saturday 7 Feb
[21:54] <captine> if I am not mistaken
[22:03] <kulelu88> global jam??
[22:33] <captine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[23:16] <captine> superfly, just some conventions we may want to sort out for the pages:  do we use that .. class:: jumbotron for the pages to put that grey border thing around the text.  Also, should all titles be visible (assume they should).  Attempted to do a merge request for 1 new page so look forward to the feedback (my formatting was not great on the page, which resulted in these questions)
[23:16] <captine> night all