[05:50] good morning everyone, 10mm rain last night so yay [06:09] wb captine [06:09] thnx [06:09] working from home today [06:09] throat feels like sandpaper [06:09] thats lekker [06:09] thats not [06:10] not fun trying to get juniper vpn to work on ubuntu.... prefer to try work from Ubuntu to see if i can :) [06:10] dont kiss the baby [06:10] yip [06:16] hehe or your wife [06:37] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:37] mornings [07:03] morning [07:18] hi Xethron [07:26] More almal [07:26] hi bduk1 [08:08] wow rebuilding a deleted blod is a major enterprize [08:08] blog [08:08] good morning [08:08] Maaz: coffee on [08:08] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [08:08] hi charl [08:08] hi Kilos [08:08] how are you this morning [08:08] Maaz coffee please [08:08] Kilos: Okay [08:08] tired already [08:09] got up too early ? [08:09] that and trying to rebuild my blog i deleted some years back [08:09] Maaz kilos.blog [08:09] Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/ [08:10] ah, good good [08:10] i saw your slexy post yesterday [08:10] any particular reason for wanting to take up the pen again, so to speak ? [08:10] lol ya that was a piece of it [08:11] well things have changed after some years without blogging, and so many new things have happened [08:11] ubuntu has grown [08:11] tru... tru... [08:11] kde especially [08:12] well kde4 went from a complete mess to something that actually looks like something [08:12] that is true [08:12] and now with going to apply for membership i thought maybe i should continue the old one [08:12] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:12] what is 14.04 kde [08:12] i love it [08:12] Maaz dankie man [08:12] Groot plesier my vriend [08:12] can't remember off hand but it's pretty stable [08:13] i have tried it since beta [08:13] Maaz: danke [08:13] Bitteschön [08:13] very stable . only way ive managed to break this one was by mistakenly zeroing the drive [08:13] hehe [08:13] aamukahviaika [08:13] finnish for "morning coffee time" [08:14] you speak french? [08:14] no i speak no french at all [08:14] i only speak dutch, some afrikaans, german, english, finnish and japanese [08:14] ah [08:15] btw did you get your backup scheme sorted now after that zero-out incident ? [08:15] lol i just rsync my /home folder atm [08:16] to another drive [08:16] oh and archives too so a clen install will cost nearly no data [08:16] clean [08:16] that is very good if you have data problems [08:17] or limitations i should say [08:18] well i tried it on another drive and all data i used was for update about 30m and 10meg in the upgrade [08:18] nice [08:19] then its like running the same drive and only used under 40m [08:19] Kilos, i am going to install ubuntu on an old core2 duo laptop. has a junk intel gma graphics card. love unity but thinking of trying kde or gnome. what machine are u running kde on? [08:20] do i need lots of power [08:20] im running it on this dual core 3g with 4g ddr3 ram and on a 3g dual core with 2g ddr2 ram [08:21] mine is a ddr2 one with 4 gig. u reckon it will be good' [08:21] 32 bit ' [08:21] yeah [08:22] sorry my other one is ddr ram not even ddr2 [08:22] 4g ddr2 should be fine [08:22] ya 32bit on old machine [08:22] 64bit here [08:23] lol i have 4 drives with 14.04 kde on [08:23] and one with 14.04 unity and one with 12.04 unity [08:24] and one with elementaryos [08:25] thats why i lose things [08:26] can your pc do 64bit? [08:26] i found it faster than 32bit here [08:26] old pc cant do 64bit thats why i have 32bit there [08:29] and im trying to repare an i3 with 2g ddr2 that ian crashed, [08:31] any one wanting to read my blog must do so quick before it grows too big again [08:32] ill post every day or second day [08:57] it is an old macbook. it is a 64bit processor, but mac shipped some bios on the system that prevents 64 bit being used [08:58] eish [08:58] well 32 will work fine, the speed diffs is marginal [08:59] you can also use flashrom to sort the bios [09:02] i think flashrom have a channel on irc [09:02] yes [09:03] #flashrom. ask there if you can sort the mac bios to work on 64bit [09:04] * mazal looks at Kilos [09:05] Oom your setup sounds more complicated than an OS reviewer's :) [09:07] hi mazal [09:07] lol [09:07] Gaanit oom ? [09:07] i also have one drive with xp and one with win7 [09:07] goed dankie en jy [09:08] Die gaan is ok , die terugkom sukkel [09:08] nou ja jy word oud man [09:09] check weer in 20 jaar en sien hoe voel dit [09:09] Beslis , en dis nie net die milage wat baie raak nie , die meeste van dit is grondpad ook [09:09] haha [09:09] Ek sien baie uit na oor 19 jaar [09:10] i was asked a question on the nairobi lug channel [09:10] Daai pla my nie , dis om daar te kom wat die probleem is [09:10] how easy or hard is file sharing on ubuntu [09:10] Very easy [09:10] zipper ^^ [09:11] Well , it depends what you use or want to use anyway [09:11] mazal: No just simple sharing of files and folders from a computer to the next. [09:11] mazal: Thanks [09:12] I use samba as I am in a multi-os environment. But I know there are those who hate it and prefer pure linux option [09:15] zipper: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/05/ubuntu1404-file-sharing-samba/ [09:15] That is probably the most easy and user friendly way. [09:16] There are a lot of advanced settings that can be manually changed in the /etc/samba.conf file [09:16] But for just plain and simple sharing that way should suffice [09:16] morning superfly [09:17] I say again though , if you are in a "linux only" environment then there might be a better faster solution. Maybe hear what the other peeps say as well [09:18] mazal its to try convert a whole company to linux [09:18] so they need an os thats easy for win peeps to use [09:19] arch is way out of win peeps reach [09:19] Good for them !! Well ubuntu is probably the most user friendly out there in my opinion [09:20] But no matter what you choose , you must realize and accept that you will have to learn a lot of new things. Be patient , stick with it , learn the new things. In the end it is well worth it ;) [09:24] Hey all [09:24] hi Jay77 [09:24] hi Squirm [09:24] Hi kilos, everyone [09:24] welcome to ubuntu-za Jay77 [09:24] nfs is super zippy [09:32] Squirm, i never managed to get my nfs to work with authentication.. need to try again sometime [09:35] captine: uh [09:35] I didn't know that was possible [09:36] But you can limit it per IP address [09:36] I was able to stream 10Gb of 3D, FHD movie over NFS from my Raspberry Pi, where I wasn't able to do it via Samba [09:37] Samba must have had just too much overhead [09:53] Squirm: is the power out at the moment? [09:54] superfly: indeed [09:54] ai! [09:54] 30min to go :/ [09:54] figured so [09:54] Kilos: It's a daily occurrence [09:55] http://ewn.co.za/assets/loadshedding/capetown.html [09:55] It shows which zone is Load Shedding [09:55] You can type in an address and it shows which zone you're in [09:56] yeah according to the tswane schedule we were supposed to be mon wed fri and sunday 1600 to 1830 but they whacked us yesterday too [09:57] So, I might be living in a house with our MD , that will be.... interesting [09:59] lol [09:59] then he can see all the naughty things you do [09:59] that could be good or bad [10:02] Yeah... [10:02] Might get a free lift to work too [10:02] I mean, he's a really nice guy and would be happy to live with him in general. Just this will be an interesting circumstance [10:03] hehe [10:08] He reckons we must just be perfectly honest with each other after a month and see where it goes. I can live with that [10:11] cool [10:16] We're back up [10:16] @ superfly [11:38] my loadshedding starts in 20 minutes, i think [11:48] What can I donwnload that is handy to have and not bigger than 10gig ? [11:48] Any suggestions ? [11:52] mmmm [11:52] u have some spare data for the monht? [11:55] Yep [11:55] Have about 10gig that needs to be used up before month-end [11:55] i have the same thing [11:56] am downloading the repos.... :) [11:56] and some distros [11:56] maybe a couple linux action shows [12:08] Did the meeting happen last night? I couldn't make it cause of the weather [12:12] captine: Ah linux action show [12:13] yip. love it. watch it every Sunday night [12:13] I used to like them. [12:13] and listen to Linux unplugged. cannot wait for their new Linux howto show [12:13] Now I think they're in it for the cash or are posers. [12:13] lol [12:13] they gotto make the money somehow [12:13] captine: I used to listen to linux unplugged and coder radio [12:14] i like that popey from canonical is on linux unplugged often, and makes some good conversation [12:14] podcasts are booming again [12:14] code radio is little over my head [12:14] captine: Yeah which surprises me. [12:14] faux show is funny sometimes, and i watch bsd-now from time to time [12:14] captine: Coder radio is a lie. [12:15] Let me show you what's in my podcast feed. Top notch stuff. [12:15] lol. i am not a developer or admin, so no idea [12:15] pls do [12:15] i have no tv, so streaming is my entertainment [12:15] 14:15:23 up 462 days, 5:19, 1 user, load average: 0.81, 0.53, 0.55 [12:15] stupid GHOST messing with uptimes :'-( [12:16] You have no actual television set? [12:16] Okay I'm downloading several things right now. So it's taking a while for me to load imgur. [12:17] captine: ^ [12:17] captine: Wait not dev and not admin? [12:17] yip [12:17] captine: Yeah you probably won't enjoy my stuff. [12:17] accountant... but love tech... watch techsnap every week [12:17] trying to learn some puppet stuff [12:17] What's your name? captine [12:17] etc [12:17] Bradley [12:18] okay not the accountant I know [12:18] :) [12:19] captine: Okay but maybe you will enjoy security now from twit. [12:19] captine: Wow the guys I'm trying to migrate to linux are almost in accounting. [12:19] the only twit show i currently watch is FLOSS weekly. get to see some interesting projects I otherwise wouldnt have heard of [12:19] zipper? almost in??? [12:20] i am trying to get my companies IT team to use it more [12:20] captine: I thought accountants are all coroporate and I didn't even bother telling them that linux exists [12:20] captine: Company secretarial firm. [12:20] I have 2 vms I manage in our datacentre for playing on [12:20] captine: You know what that is I hope. [12:20] but we are all MS Servers EVERYWHERE.... [12:20] yip. i know [12:20] accountants have to love linux. Do you know how much it saves on the IT-spend?? [12:20] captine: lol MS servers. [12:21] kulelu88: Well I assume a ton. [12:21] but they love windows what can I do? [12:21] I am a chartered accountant. dealt with those companies. I actually dont do accounting though. Worked on setting up shared services in SA and Philippines and migrating financial systems to Oracle EBS. [12:21] now I work in a different company looking at budgetting applications and process work [12:21] accounting is the number 1 profession to get to C-level positions in big corporates [12:21] Imgine they have to pay for a copy of office for each computer, a copy of windows for each computer and an antivirus for each computer. [12:22] That's the least. [12:22] kulelu88: C level meaning? [12:22] CEO, CFO, CIO, etc. [12:23] captine: Chartered accountant. I wanted to be that. I wanted to then be a chartered financial analyst. [12:23] interesting. kulelu88 i am keen on cio maybe as I enjoy Tech... [12:23] captine: It was my dream since I was young but the way the Kenyan tertiary education system works. They decide what you will do to a large extent not you. [12:24] annoying [12:24] captine: http://i.imgur.com/TcEncP9.png [12:24] another kenyan here? awesome stuff [12:24] kulelu88: You thought I was from South Africa? [12:26] it is ubuntu-za :-/ [12:26] lol with the xenophobia I hear of in SA I can't just join a za irc channel and say "Hey, I'm foreighn." [12:26] and you're hiding in tor [12:26] It was a joke [12:27] kulelu88: Uh yeah I use tor but I keep telling people about who I am so I'm not anonymous. [12:27] xenophobia is among the african people, I don't think we get many africans on IRCs (which is sad in a way) [12:27] tor is *not safe* [12:27] kulelu88: The xenophobia thing was a joke. I wasn't sure whether you'd be offended. [12:27] kulelu88: Who says that tor isn't safe? [12:28] being on the internet requires a tough skin. Very little offends (or should) [12:28] the EFF does. [12:29] It's as safe as the people in charge of the routers running tor or want it to be. So if by any chance your traffic goes through a router owned by FBI then you're screwed. [12:29] I wish we could establish some sort of web of trust routes for tor. [12:30] kulelu88: Do you have a link for this? [12:31] zipper: They say the biggest tor-server contributors are the authorities. So basically, once you're connected, they're netting all the traffic (and can easily track it back to you) [12:33] kulelu88: Sad. [12:33] kulelu88: Have you tried i2p? [12:34] How is the programming community there? Are there many people doing programming? [12:35] in SA? we have plenty of programmers here. [12:35] Mostly Java, C#, PHP people [12:35] and some C/C++ [12:36] kulelu88: and they make enough to feed their kids. [12:36] Most of the time the salary is quite good (with a BSc) [12:36] kulelu88: Hopefully plenty of programming jobs too nit just programmers. [12:37] demand outstrips supply [12:37] Then again, nobody wants to hire self-taught programmers (unless they take massive wage reductions), so it is a massive artificial demand in some sense [12:38] zipper: what Zenophobia? [12:38] *xenophobia [12:39] kulelu88: BSc. is no issue. [12:40] kulelu88: Maybe it being recognised out there is the issue. [12:40] What's your github account? zipper [12:40] superfly: What xenophobia? lol Is this really the place to talk about all the things I hear? [12:41] kulelu88: I'm still in school. [12:41] school or university? [12:41] kulelu88: University. It's still a school, no? [12:41] kulelu88: https://github.com/urbanslug [12:42] not really? [12:43] kulelu88: Still very young at this so I doubt anything will blow your mind. [12:43] zipper: I'm just saying that you make it sound like people are getting shot all the time, but it's not like that. [12:43] You write Haskell *mind blown* [12:43] * superfly backs away from the Haskellian [12:43] superfly: but people get shot *sometimes* for not being south african? [12:44] kulelu88: I do. I do. I don't know anyone else from around here who does. [12:44] zipper: people get shot for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't mean that they're all xenophobic [12:44] Kenya is better for the cooler languages. Ruby and Python must be big there [12:44] kulelu88: So it's more or less a crap skill since nobody will hire me for it. :( [12:45] If you can write scaled backends in it, you'll get a job in USA [12:45] kulelu88: That's the dream yo! [12:46] kulelu88: They are big I was writing ruby for my internship but I feel there is this issue. Can one feed their family while programming is a question we should answer. Not just who is making this or that cool app. [12:47] You do realize that proper non-commodity programming is in major demand right now? [12:47] superfly: I heard that if I board public transport and speak english the other people might beat me because they want me to speak afrikaans not english. But I don't know afrikaans. [12:47] lol :D [12:47] I'm yet to see an afrikaaner ride a taxi [12:48] kulelu88: Well in which country? Depends on how many people have smartphones in your country. SMS is still a major way of passing information to rural places. [12:48] kulelu88: What do they use (the afrikaaners)? [12:48] cars [12:49] and bakkies [12:49] kulelu88: So what I was told was a lie? [12:50] I really don't want to talk about xenophobia in SA because I don't know much and I don't want to offend anyone. [12:51] It's probably the same inaccurate info we hear about Kenyans killing each other with pangas [12:52] Bye everyone , have a good evening. God bless [12:52] kulelu88: You call them pangas too? [12:53] yep [12:55] Wow [12:55] I was told that there are haskellers here. [12:57] zipper: I'm English, I speak English. In Cape Town you can speak English. [12:58] superfly: and ask questions in public transport in english? [12:58] zipper: Yes [12:59] In general, in Cape Town, most people converse in English [12:59] superfly: I heard that if I board public transport and speak english the other people might beat me because they want me to speak afrikaans not english. But I don't know afrikaans. [12:59] oi o_O [12:59] where are you hearing this nonsense [12:59] Well ok but I heard the people there would think I'm trying to act like I'm unafrican or am better than them. [13:03] I just hear these things :( [13:05] zipper: it would probably be better to avoid race/cultural discussions here. Seems like we're having major race-relation issues already [13:07] kulelu88: Sorry :( [13:08] zipper: I don't know how the others feel but I'm cool with discussing it ;) [13:11] kulelu88: I'd rather not talk about programming or ubuntu and other such things. I don't want to cause friction. [13:11] are you trolling? zipper [13:12] Oh sorry I meant [13:12] kulelu88: I'd rather talk about programming or ubuntu and other such things. I don't want to cause friction. [13:13] typo [13:26] lol [13:27] Playing with nginx proxy_cache in front of a dynamic Tomcat app... [13:34] whew [13:37] Maaz coffee on [13:37] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:40] stickyboy, hows that working [13:41] I am wanting to demo Alfresco for our company instead of SharePoint... and want an nginx proxy to allow users to not enter the port numbers etc... prob an easier way, but nginx was how I thought of doing it [13:41] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [13:41] Maaz ty [13:41] You are welcome Kilos [13:45] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/117248-hetzners-new-data-centre-what-you-want-to-know.html [13:56] Squirm, nice. you work for hetzner? [14:04] I don't [14:04] captine: just an interesting article [14:04] graeme doesa [14:04] Looks like a nice place [14:04] does too [14:04] Kilos: I tried tabbing his nick, but he's not in the channel :P [14:05] haha he went off earlier [14:05] 15/31 [14:05] i was alseep and the scroll back is enough for me to go sleep more [14:07] thats a mean data centre [14:24] stickyboy: Watching this snowden talk :D [14:27] stickyboy: The snowden parts need subtitles [14:27] zipper, which snowden talk? there was a ted talk with him on video conference.. that one? [14:28] captine: A lecture at havard. [14:28] captine: Let me get you a link. [14:28] The person Snowden is talking to is Bruce Schneir who is the one who writes the crypto-gram podcast and just about the greatest mind in crypto I know of. [14:29] *Schneier [14:29] So it's not a dumb journalist asking him stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ [14:30] In the talk Schneier says tor is giving the NSA a lot of trouble. Save for setting up fake exit nodes these guys have no way of actually breaking tor if every relay was run legitimately. [14:32] captine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ [14:33] interesting [14:56] captine when you are bored go read my blog before it gets too big [14:59] Maaz seen gremble [14:59] Kilos: gremble was last seen 19 hours, 19 minutes and 50 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-27 11:39:24 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-27 12:08:34 PST [15:00] sunshine now [15:00] oom how was the meeting last nite? [15:01] very lekker kulelu88 [15:01] we covered lots of things i think [15:01] How did you make it? The lightning was so bad [15:02] was lucky i suppose [15:02] there are minutes somewhere [15:02] i cant scroll back so far [15:04] and i can never find the logs [15:08] Kilos: Which is your blog? [15:09] hmm... [15:09] Maaz kilos.blog [15:09] Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/ [16:11] yo Kilos [16:13] lol that took a while [16:53] i am now doing one of my most hated activities... Paying Telkom for a landline that I dont want or need, other than for the fact that to have ADSL i am forced to rent a phoneline [16:54] economic costs [16:58] lol [16:59] i go eat [17:15] ehlo all [17:24] hi Squirm [17:24] were you at the meet last night? [17:24] hmm... [17:25] Nope [17:25] I never make it [17:25] oh [17:25] bad boy [17:25] I think I've been in attendance for 2 or 3 [17:25] and I've been coming here for a while now... [17:26] lol [17:26] Registered : Sep 26 21:43:41 2009 (5y 17w 5d ago) [17:26] Yeah... I've been here for a while [17:27] ya you helped me with mxit in pidgin on 9.04 or 9.10 [17:27] Although, I see you registered on 09 Nov 2009 [17:27] maybe 8.10 [17:27] Registered : Nov 09 21:22:49 2009 (5y 11w 3d ago) [17:27] I beat you by 7 weeks ;) [17:27] lol [17:28] i think it took me a year to even get that far [17:28] hahaha [17:29] same as the fly, one of the ballie4s in ubuntu and only now going for membership [17:29] at least i never came here with windows [17:29] superfly registered his Nick in '08 [17:30] Wow, I've been on IRC for a long time [17:30] yeah [17:30] Squirm: check when "who_da_fly" was registered, that was my first nick [17:30] I think I first started chatting on IRC in '05/'06 [17:30]