[02:30] Hm. Network manager seems to have decided to abort. [04:36] RAOF: how? [04:36] RAOF: actually, please file a bug; I was on my way to bed :) [04:38] cyphermox: Jan 29 14:24:37 RedTail NetworkManager[15605]: FATAL: Failed asserting path component: hfp/B876 [04:38] 3F78EB76_98D6F7BA3A76 [04:38] Jan 29 14:24:37 RedTail kernel: [ 1719.722823] traps: NetworkManager[15605] trap int3 ip:7f45df [04:38] 909f90 sp:7fffff1bd290 error:0 [04:38] cyphermox: Sure. Launchpad it is :) [04:39] right, I just went to check and I see there is another such report, just no crash dump [04:39] ah [04:39] boo [04:40] do you need a phone to be connected via bluetooth to your system? [04:40] No. [04:40] because I bet if there is one and you remove the pairing, it will work fine [04:41] cyphermox: Correct! [04:41] woohoo! [04:41] sorry about that [04:42] Heh, no problem. [04:43] there's an interaction between ofono and how it presents bluetooth devices that I hadn't expected, and clearly failed to test appropriately [04:43] I should test my bluetooth headset again, too. :) [04:43] if ever you need to have your phone paired for a good reason between now and when I fix the bug; you may want to stop ofono [04:44] Cool, thanks. [04:44] that should make things work, too... at the price of losing the modem thingies [04:45] I've never managed to get the modem thingies to work, so that's no great loss :) [04:50] O.o [05:21] Internet sharing over bluetooth, is what I meant. [06:52] Good morning [06:53] larsu: sure, the "try out" has worked on utopic already :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Switching_init_systems [07:01] larsu: ATM you need to be root to read the journal, that's probably your problem? [07:01] larsu: there's a bug about making the readable as adm; I plan to fix that by vivid [07:23] pitti, larsu or systemd-journal group, but adm would be nicer [07:23] yeah, adm is meant for this; it's a bug [07:50] good morning desktopers [07:51] bonjour seb128 ! [07:51] lut pitti, ça va ? [07:51] seb128: ça va bien ! et toi ? [07:51] thanks for the logind and cdrom eject fixes :-) [07:51] ça va bien aussi ! [07:52] seb128: c'était mon plaîsir :) [08:36] g'morn [08:36] * larsu dislikes english breakfast [08:36] good morning all [08:37] pitti: thanks! [08:39] desrt says hello. He seems tired. [08:40] hey larsu, guten Morgen [08:40] larsu: greetings to desrt! [08:40] :) [08:42] hey willcooke [08:42] larsu, but they have tea! [08:44] larsu: tomorrow, you will have belgian breakfast! [08:45] what's that? Coffee and a cigarette? [08:46] wakka wakka wakka - I'm here all week [08:46] (oh no!) [08:46] * didrocks should use a plausible excuse [08:47] "oh, there is a strike on trains" [08:47] Does the dash support any kind of themeing? Can the colour scheme be changed? [08:48] Specifically, a new High Contrast option [08:48] willcooke: the colour adapts from your wallpaper [08:48] (as for the launcher) [08:48] basically, it's the dominant color of it [08:48] but could I force it to be, say, white text on a black background? [08:49] I remember there were some discussion to set that in the theme [08:49] I'm unsure it's supported though [08:49] Yeah, I think it's not [08:49] wouldn't be hard if needed though [08:49] (remember also that we limit by design the number of theme you can choose by UI) [08:55] didrocks, I think it's about a11y rather than look [08:55] the question is, I mean [08:59] thanks seb128 [08:59] I've said that in theory it can be done, but that we'd need to spend time working on it [08:59] good enough for now [08:59] i guess so [09:01] Is it me or does Chromium feel like it's getting bulkier and slower? [09:03] yo [09:09] hey Laney, wie gehts? [09:09] willcooke, since when/compared to what? [09:10] seb128, nothing so specific. Since a few months, maybe 4 or 5, and compared to what I think I remember it performing like. [09:10] :) [09:10] k [09:10] I can't tell because mine keeps hitting segfault in the dri code for months [09:10] waiting for the next update which is supposed to resolve that [09:11] I've mostly stopped using it meanwhile though [09:17] I should try ffox again [09:18] hey seb128, doing good! [09:18] you? [09:18] good as well, thanks! [09:19] supposed to snow today [09:19] exciting [09:19] bet it breaks the train tomorrow though /o\ [09:19] larsu: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768269 [09:19] Debian bug 768269 in appstream-util,appdata-tools "appdata-tools and appstream-util: error when trying to install together" [Serious,Open] [09:29] totally didn't notice this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31032930 [09:38] Yeah, at that magnitude, it would be weird to notice it [09:38] At least, from where I'm from, cars starting on an avenue when the light turns green generate more vibrations [09:44] seb128, there's a setting to change the transparency of the launcher - can I do the same in the dash itself? [09:44] willcooke, you can turn the bluring off, dunno about other changes [09:45] I've reached the same conclusion, thanks seb128 [09:45] yw [09:45] willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1415509 ... do you know of a device to buy that does bluetooth ssp pairing? [09:45] Launchpad bug 1415509 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Secure Simple Pairing dialogs not implemented yet" [Undecided,New] [09:47] willcooke, I've commented on bug asking that as well [09:47] thx seb128 [09:47] It feels like something that would be trivial to implement [09:47] so I'll ask bregma what he thinks too [09:48] morning [09:48] OT: When I push to bzr is the a reason for it to just sit there doing seemingly nothing? [09:48] morning mlankhorst [09:49] willcooke, no, it can be slow but should indicate progress [09:49] hrm [09:50] I must be doing something wrong theb [09:50] then [09:50] what did you do exactly and what is outputed? [09:51] I downloaded this project with bzr [09:51] https://code.launchpad.net/pushbullet-indicator [09:51] fixed a few things [09:51] and now I want to push it back up with this [09:51] bzr push lp:~willcooke/pushbullet-indicator/pushbullet-indicator [09:51] but nothing happens [09:51] it just sits there doing nothing [09:54] errr [09:54] ok [09:54] ignore [09:54] now it just works [09:54] And now I've got to clean up all this chicken blood [09:55] If the sacrifices are working, I say keep doin' them [10:03] Laney: thanks! Good morning! [10:03] didrocks: yes \o/ [10:42] Laney: have you tried gnome-builder? hergertme just told me that there's a ppa for it now [10:42] could be something for universe next cylce, no? [10:43] have not, but yes sure [10:43] I imagine we'd get that via Debian [10:43] makes sense [10:43] who did the PPA? [10:43] could help them upload it there [10:44] willcooke: seen http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/28/british-airways-airmiles-avios-changes ? [10:46] Laney: this is it https://launchpad.net/~inizan-yannick/+archive/ubuntu/dev [10:46] depends on new gnome crack, of course [10:47] seems so [10:47] should be ok next cycle though [10:47] Laney, https://twitter.com/8none1/status/560432919412736000 [10:48] this guy has his finger on the pulse [10:48] Sticking it to the man [10:51] Hi, after working mainly on SRUs for Utopic and Trusty in the last weeks I have started Vivid in a virtual machine today. It is called "Next" and has a phone-like GUI. Is this the standard now? [10:52] I think you downloaded the wrong image [10:54] or at least I really hope so ... [10:54] Laney, I downloaded vivid-desktop-amd64.iso on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/. There is no http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop/daily-live/current/ [10:54] get rid of /ubuntu-desktop/, it's just /daily-live/ [10:55] Laney, where do I find the correct one? [10:57] Laney, when I picked the download page with Google I have overlooked the "next" in the URL and the ISO file name has no "next", is identical to the normal name, should have the "next" to warn the user. [11:01] Laney, searching "ubuntu vivid iso" on Google finds all flavors including Next but NOT the standard desktop. [11:12] tkamppeter: I made a symlink to maybe do a little bit of SEO for that particular problem. [11:23] Laney, thanks. [11:50] seb128: sooo, arm64/ppc64el will be more work. While LibreOffice itself has a trivially portable buildsystem, there are the dependencies that we ship internal copies of (e.g. coinmp, libetonyek etc.) and those use ... [11:51] ... fscking autotools, which is too braindead to simply build on a new arch. [11:53] Laney: remember when I joined in violently stabbing autotools a few days ago without a concrete reason on my own, in the firm belief I will soon have one? [11:53] didnt take long. [11:58] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/196087597/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-powerpc.libreoffice_1%3A4.4.0~rc2-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- something broken in -proposed wrt libsuitesparse-dev? [12:06] seb128, aaeeiiii - BT keyboards are expensive! [12:08] oh, good ol' ebay [12:08] Seems the proper branded ones are expensive. No-name imports are a bit more realistic [12:21] * didrocks goes to catch his train [12:21] will see how the 3G is stable there, ttyl! [12:21] o/ [12:21] but I have some offline work with me :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:46] Sweet5hark, yeah, something seems wrong in proposed installability for those [13:04] sucks, no plug in that train :/ [13:07] didrocks, how long is the train? [13:07] didrocks: enjoy your trip! [13:07] the trip I mean [13:12] didrocks1: who needs plugs these days :) [13:12] seb128: 3h30-3h40 [13:12] thanks larsu [13:12] I should have enough battery [13:12] (was disconnected, not sure you received my messages) [13:12] ahah :) === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [13:12] didrocks: we didn't [13:13] didrocks: do you have to change somewhere? [13:13] Laney: no, direct to Brussells (stopping at Paris and Lille) [13:13] convenient! [13:14] "lyon" ;) [13:14] * Laney roars [13:14] wow, 3:30, c'est très rapid ! [13:14] pitti: TGV for the win :) [13:15] didrocks: heh, nomen est omen [13:15] pitti: well, there is one issue with TGV… This is 3G [13:15] * didrocks gets longer and longer lags [13:16] will probably work offline for a bit, need to save phone battery as well [13:17] * didrocks has a huge systemd rebase to do anyway… [13:28] Which process is responsible for capturing things like Ctrl-Alt-T to spawn a terminal? Every now and again, it'll stop working (until I reboot) and I'd like to see if I could fix it. [13:29] (In Trusty, fwiw) [13:32] willcooke: are you getting bulkier and slower? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:37] qengho, pure coincidence [13:37] I think it's the JS in G+ which is the cause [13:47] I think this is going to run over ~ 10 mins [13:47] Sweet5hark, that was to you ^ [14:01] seb128: care to try the chromium at ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage ? [14:02] willcooke: huh? [14:06] qengho, surely can do [14:27] seb128: tedg says you'd be the one to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/1415374 patched up in the distro, that right? [14:27] Launchpad bug 1415374 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "Log: Loop not properly cleaned up on failures in Log constructor" [Undecided,New] [14:27] tsdgeos, you are on the right channel at least :-) [14:28] I didn't touch zg much but others here did [14:28] (though didrocks is currently away in a train) [14:28] tsdgeos, thanks for pointing it out [14:28] * tedg starts singing "didrocks will be coming round the mountain" [14:28] ok [14:29] seb128: i'm here if you need me [14:29] Laney, ^ maybe want to help on that? ;-) [14:29] otherwise we can do it on monday [14:29] tsdgeos, thanks [14:29] seb128, They'd also like to fix that for rtm branches. [14:29] or we can talk at fosdem if you're there [14:29] I can try to have a look, but not likely today [14:29] didrocks and Laney are at fosdem, I'm coming but only during the w.E [14:29] but sure grab any of us there :-) [14:30] SNOW! [14:30] and lightning [14:30] i'm only on the WE too [14:30] willcooke, Forget the dandruff shampoo again, did we? [14:30] willcooke, does it mean you are never being able to leave .uk? [14:31] willcooke: forecast said snow, but now doesn't [14:31] or at least the one i read [14:31] willcooke, like when it starts snowing they ground planes and stop trains, right? ;-) [14:32] they do in the UK [14:37] willcooke, snow? SUN! (but lightning we have in the afternoon). [14:39] Trevinho, should setting com.canonical.Unity.Interface text-scale-factor should make unity change the corresponding gtk setting? [14:40] seb128: yes [14:40] Trevinho, it's not working in vivid :-/ [14:40] seb128: as if the scaling != 1.0 is not matching [14:40] mhmh [14:41] Trevinho, if I set it to 1.25 (which unity-control-center -> a11y -> big text does) nothing changes [14:42] mh, and same for the related gsetting value I guess... mhmh [14:42] weird, the code is quite simple.. [14:42] although there was a timeout to avoid troubles, but it shouldn't be affected by this case [14:47] Trevinho, can you confirm the issue? [14:48] mitya57, yeah, do you know if somebody is looking at updating qtsystems? [14:48] our snapshot is quite outdated [14:50] seb128: i'm not in vivid currently [14:50] I'll check soon [14:50] Trevinho, utopic probably has the same issue ... what do you use? [14:51] I'm now on trusty [14:52] oh ok, does it work there? [14:55] mitya57, we've found that the current qtsystems snapshot we have doesn't work with upower 0.99 [14:55] mitya57, it'd be nice to get that updated, but not sure what it might break [14:56] according to the rdepends, only ubuntu-system-settings... which is where we're feeling the upower pain [14:56] so if the API breaks, but fixes the upower issue... we could update settings accordingly [14:56] kenvandine, not at lot probably, seeing the rdepends [14:57] kenvandine, basically the bindings are used by settings, the lib is used by ubuntu-download-manager and cordova as well, but should be easy to check those [15:00] tsdgeos: ok, ta, I'll try to handle that soon [15:01] ricotz: you have commit to zeitgeist? [15:02] want to review and commit https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88846 ? [15:02] Freedesktop bug 88846 in libzeitgeist "Log: Loop not properly cleaned up on failures in Log constructor" [Normal,New] [15:13] ah, rainCT is at google now, i remember back when he was too young to drink beer, man i'm old [15:15] Laney, yes I have [15:16] seb128, kenvandine: I never touched qtsystems (only Timo did), but I can update it [15:17] kenvandine: I can build a new snapshot and check if u-s-s still builds against it [15:17] mitya57, please do :) [15:17] mitya57, and if you can point me at a test build, i can do some testing [15:17] mitya57, i think i might need to make some changes in u-s-s to support it [15:18] check runtime, the QML parts won't fail the build [15:18] yeah [15:20] Then I will let kenvandine do it :) [15:20] wimp :p [15:21] Laney, is the reporter on irc? [15:21] mitya57, i'm happy to :) [15:22] ricotz: it's tsdgeos [15:22] * tsdgeos waves [15:24] tsdgeos, looks interesting and valid -- why don't you attach a proper patch? ;) [15:24] ricotz: the definition of proper patch varies from house to house [15:25] that's my reason [15:25] tsdgeos, meaning it is maintained in git, so "git format-patch -1" would do [15:26] ricotz: i can do that if that's what you want [15:26] tsdgeos, please do [15:30] ricotz: there [15:33] mitya57, I'm happy to test the updated package as well, if you work on the updat [15:33] mitya57, thanks [15:34] tsdgeos, thanks pushed [15:35] ricotz: tx [15:35] kenvandine, seb128: does u-s-s use QStorageInfo (or its qml variant)? [15:36] mitya57, yes [15:36] mitya57, it uses it to list the logical drives and get their used/free space info [15:37] then it needs either qt5.4 or older qtsystems :( [15:37] Because it was moved from qtsystems into qtbase during 5.4 cycle [15:37] well, the update qtsystems would be part of the qt5.4 transition [15:37] updated [15:37] so that's fine [15:38] or if you don't want to mix those, we can land qt5.4, then migrate settings, then land qtsystems [15:38] No, I just thought that qtsystems update is more urgent for you [15:38] I can put it into qt5.4 ppa [15:39] well, it would have been nice if it was not coupled to qt5.4 [15:39] but kenvandine thought it wouldn't be that easy [15:39] so it's the way it is :/ [15:40] the reason we are looking at it is because the new upower makes the qtsystems battery bindings buggy [15:40] which is probably fixed in newer versions [15:40] yeah... i'll take what i can get :) [15:40] In theory I could try to use a snapshot from autumn (and it would probably build against 5.3), but using the latest snapshot and 5.4 is easier for me [15:41] 5.4 should be fine [15:41] kenvandine, a snapshot from autumn could be nice for rtm though? [15:41] if that fixes the upower issues [15:41] sure [15:41] so not sure, maybe updating vivid now to a pre-qt5.4 version would be useful [15:42] to update to current then with qt5.4 [15:42] isn't 5.4 happening real soon? [15:42] mitya57, not sure if you feel like doing that, if not just focus on 5.4 and we can look at the older snapshot on our side if we need it [15:42] kenvandine, you know how those things go... :-) [15:42] true :) [15:42] let me try 5.4 first, starting a test build [15:43] thanks [15:43] thanks [15:43] willcooke, btw when you said expensive/less so for the keyboard, what price range was that about? [15:43] if we see that it really fixes it... it might be worth trying trying a slightly older snapshot against 5.3 to see [15:46] yeah [15:47] hrm - I crashed unity playing the Compiz settings [15:47] seb128, expensive was around 70 GBP [15:47] seb128, cheap on ebay < 10 [15:50] willcooke, k, the "Wedge Mobile Keyboard" from microsoft can be found for around 60EUR, not as expensive as 70GBP but still expensive [15:51] yeah! [15:51] I'm trying to find more info on the cheap ones, but it's hard to come by [15:53] Hmm, the examples are not installing for some reason [16:04] seb128, kenvandine: built in ppa:mitya57/test2 [16:04] mitya57, thanks [16:04] mitya57, thanks! [16:04] i'll take it for a drive [16:05] you'll also need qt5.4 from ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005 probably [16:25] willcooke, http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-K4000-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Mac/dp/B00M0F7TJI/ref=sr_1_2 seems to be ssp compliant (it's listed on https://launchpad.net/~timchen119/+archive/ubuntu/bluez4-ssp) [16:27] nice find seb128 [16:47] qengho, great, that chromium update seems to work fine, at least I can use use google map again without getting a sad face page :-) [16:47] no error on start either [16:47] \o9/ [16:47] \o/ [16:47] seb128: excellent! Thank you. [16:49] qengho, thanks for the update, looking forward seing that landing, chromium feel smooth again :-) [16:54] qengho, do you know why chromium doesn't turn on the scroll animator (smooth scrolling) by default? [16:55] chrisccoulson: er, no. [16:55] qengho, I turn it on in oxide, and it works great [16:56] chrisccoulson: It probably doesn't work on something obscure. [16:56] A guess. [16:57] chrome://flags/#enable-smooth-scrolling [17:03] Toys! [17:03] Ooh, smooth scrolling is nic [17:03] e [17:05] is totem still on 3.10 because of the same issues that other parts of gnome hasn't been updated? [17:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1393067 [17:07] Launchpad bug 1393067 in Ubuntu GNOME "totem 3.14" [Undecided,In progress] [17:08] ah, thanks [17:08] Will try to look at the work to see what it's like and what needs doing still, maybe next week while some of us are together [17:10] current totem craps out completely if gstreamer-vaapi is installed, so wanted to know if a newer version might work [17:10] filed this as bug 1416005 [17:10] bug 1416005 in totem (Ubuntu) "totem fails to play video if gstreamer-vaapi is installed" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416005 [17:10] try the PPA that darkxst mentions there [17:10] yep [17:12] otherwise check with hadess, I know a few releases back it was known to not work [17:14] yeah, it didn't even try vaapi, now that part is fixed [17:18] tjaalton: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762579 [17:18] Debian bug 762579 in gstreamer1.0-vaapi "gstreamer1.0-vaapi: Does not work at all (with totem)" [Important,Open] [17:19] nice [17:21] looks like clutter-gst is at 3.0.3 now [17:29] * didrocks back [17:32] hey didrocks [17:32] make it ok? [17:32] Laney: yeah, everything was on schedule :) [17:32] I have 2 small beds in my room though [17:32] * didrocks quite sad to not be able to spread [17:33] ok, time to send systemd's ML patches! [17:35] oh, hey didrocks [17:35] hey pitti :) [17:38] didrocks: go ask if they have a different one [17:38] Laney: well, not a biggie TBH :) [17:39] * Laney will remember to check at check in now, thanks for the tip ;-) [17:39] heh, no worry! :) [17:43] didrocks: I think the complaint about "current->fd = 0;" was that 0 is a valid fd, so it's not an adequate initializer for "nothing connected yet" [17:47] pitti: yeah, that's what I did change, I wasn't sure if he wanted another initiliazation [17:55] Laney: wifi is excellent though in my room [17:56] maybe I shouldn't change for this :) [17:56] hehe [17:56] lucky you ;-) [17:56] ok, need to do some cycling as I can't run [17:56] I'm off now to buy a new coat which can stand up to the weather in .be [17:56] let's see what the gym is looking like [17:56] Laney: yeah, you need that :) [17:56] see you Laney! [17:57] might not be around much tomorrow morning, will see [18:03] I've a feeling that channel is going to be quiet tomorrow === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:04] seb128: come join us :) [18:04] pitti, :-) [18:07] When didrocks says "checking out the gym" he really means "bar" right? [18:08] willcooke: that's just the Belgish word, you know [18:08] seb128 that keyboard mzanetti linked to looks sweet! [18:08] pitti, LOL! [18:09] lol [18:09] willcooke, oh, nice indeed [18:09] expensive, but nice [18:20] * willcooke -> EOD [18:24] mitya57, your qtsystems update didn't fix the upower issue :/ [20:21] seb128, i'm looking into the text-scaling-factor issue [20:21] seems like we are not getting the gsignal "changed::text-scaling-factor" [20:22] still not sure why [20:22] something is blocking it [20:22] do you have any idea what it could be? [21:38] seb128, found it! I'm going to complete the fix tomorrow [21:41] andyrock, sorry, I was out when you pinged, great that you found it, thanks [21:42] basically in Unity we read the value of a gsettings and then we connect to the signal [21:42] used to work before [21:42] right, I was going to say [21:42] it's one of the glib changes from previous cycle [21:43] seb128, we need to update that all over unity [21:43] sorry about that [21:43] andyrock, shouldn't be too difficult to fix it though, right? [21:45] andyrock, there is a bug open if that's useful for you for tracking [21:46] oh, I see that you found it [21:47] yeah we just need to invert the order of few lines [21:49] andyrock, great, thanks for working on it === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand