[00:17] <Azelphur> seems my Steam got a bit confused about how much data you can shove down a twisted copper pair. https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=31282a300afa19b39dc952fecf84fa10
[00:20] <daftykins> rawr!
[03:28] <mapp> hey all
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> hey mammals
[03:54] <mapp> was up
[03:54] <mapp> only one around atm zmoylan-pi ?
[03:59] <zmoylan-pi> just me and my multiple personalities :-)
[04:40] <mapp> criminal minds time
[04:40] <mapp> yay
[04:40] <mapp> surprising noone else is up zmoylan-pi  relatively ealy still
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:17] <bashrc_> morning
[09:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Curmudgeons Day! :-D
[09:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's our day all day \o/ damn it that wasn't very Curmudgeonly nor was your happy shame on you ;)
[09:53] <davmor2> And get of my lawn
[09:53] <JamesTait> Pffft! You kids today!
[10:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:55] <Seeker`> hallo
[10:57] <brobostigon> hi Seeker`
[11:03]  * zmoylan-pi really must get latest mag, but it's really really cold out...
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> decisions, decisions...
[12:17] <Laney> uksnowwwww
[12:18] <ali1234> so it is
[12:18] <bashrc_> snow in winter?
[12:20] <bashrc_> but is it the right kind of snow?
[12:20] <davmor2> bashrc_: no it isn't settling
[12:20] <ali1234> it is here
[12:21] <Laney> here too
[12:21] <davmor2> No here :(
[12:21] <davmor2> infact :'(
[12:22] <Laney> was planning to go out on me bike and buy a new jacket later ...
[12:22] <Laney> ...
[12:30] <brobostigon> no snow here yet, but dark skies.
[12:34] <JamesTait> Starting to settle here now. :(
[12:35] <popey> :(
[12:35] <popey> sunny here
[12:37] <bigcalm> Snow flurries here one and off all morning. Stuck early morning, but things are just wet now
[12:38] <JamesTait> Yeah, we've had flurries all morning too. It was lovely and sunny at 8:00!
[12:38] <JamesTait> I thought spring was finally on its way!
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> no snow here.. though there was a big "TOMORROW THE WORLD WILL END WITH SNOW" warning yesterday
[12:40] <popey> MartijnVdS: you fosdemming?
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> so the train service went into a shutdown mode (using their special "snow timetable")
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: Ooh that's this weekend right? I may drop by.
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> On one day
[12:41] <popey> be nice to have a beer
[12:41] <popey> s/a/some/
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> I'd be driving, so not too much ;)
[12:41] <popey> well ping me on whatever - telegram etc if you're around
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> you're there all weekend?
[12:42] <popey> yes
[12:42] <popey> fri-mon
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> great!
[13:26] <awilkins> Anyone else getting the "Firefox has prevented... Adobe Flash" thing?
[13:29] <awilkins> Even on pages with no Flash on them?
[13:33] <davmor2> awilkins: it might be that an advert has flash somewhere on the page
[13:34] <davmor2> awilkins: you'll be surprised at how many now default to a static advert if a browser doesn't support flash
[13:36] <awilkins> davmor2, This page is a Ruby on Rails site ("tracks") running on my own personal Raspberry Pi
[13:37] <davmor2> awilkins: then it just hates you :P
[13:37] <awilkins> gmail isn't doing it
[13:37] <awilkins> There can't be a flash thing on this, surely...
[13:37] <awilkins> Ok, tell a lie
[13:38] <awilkins> There's some kind of Flash chart thing in it somewhere
[13:39] <awilkins> No Flash update though
[13:39] <awilkins> Don't want to just randomly push the button in Firefox to upgrade it
[13:39] <awilkins> On the presumption this will ruin the distro installation
[14:04] <Seeker`> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv launch in ~6 mins
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> what's going up today?
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> price of butter in nigeria :-P
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> ...
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: smooth
[14:05] <Seeker`> http://www.nasa.gov/missions/schedule/#.VMo-I2isV8E
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> a soil moisture monitoring thing.. interdasting
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> soil moisture device... in space... won't that make it harder to take a reading? :-)
[14:06] <Seeker`> oh, holding at T-4 mins
[14:07] <Seeker`> for 10 mins
[14:07] <Seeker`> that seems silly
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> they always do holds
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> and yes it seems silly :)
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> someone explained this, they have a checklist they go through and t-4 is the place on the checklist.
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> ah, synchronisation point basically
[14:09] <Seeker`> It means that they can go from where they are to launching in 4 minutes
[14:09] <Seeker`> so they hit "we can go in 4 mins" then double check their launch target
[14:09] <Seeker`> and start the last 4 minute countdown 4 minutes before their launch window
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: I never have to do that in KSP
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> more, there's 4 minutes of tasks we need to complete before we can launch but have stopped right now while checking something that might cause a problem
[14:10] <Seeker`> zmoylan-pi: I think this is standard
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: nope, they check in the hold
[14:10] <Seeker`> they did just adjust the launch window back by 2 minutes
[14:15] <Seeker`> aww
[14:15] <Seeker`> scrubbed for today
[15:05] <Laney> boo, no Feel at Home in .be
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> Feel at Home?
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> also, I can imagine nobody would Feel that in .be :)
[15:09] <Laney> where you get to use your Three tariff abroad, including data
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> buy a local prepay sim
[15:11] <Laney> haha
[15:11] <Laney> thanks for the advice
[15:12] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: it'd be nice not to need to
[15:12] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: e.g. i'm going to the US this weekend, i get data roaming
[15:13] <zmoylan-pi> it would, but the silly prices for data roaming make it the easier less painful choice
[15:13] <Laney> that's the point of feel at home ...
[15:13] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: £0 is cheap.
[15:14] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: me and Laney pay £0 for data roaming to a list of a couple of dozen countries. the moan is that .be is not on the list
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> well not quite 0 as you are already paying for the service :-)
[15:14] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: data roaming *is* expensive normally though. when i left orange, i told them it was £2.4 million a year cheaper on three due to the roaming costs
[15:15] <directhex> (this number is a lie, as my contract only covers 3 months' roaming per year, so it's only £600,000 cheaper)
[15:16]  * zmoylan-pi usually manages to make €5 last 2-3 months on prepay... :-)
[15:16] <directhex> i have a £15 a month contract. which covers 100 minutes, 5000 sms, and unlimited data, per month. when roaming it's capped to 25GB
[15:17] <shauno> I accidentally racked up a e1200 bill roaming, a few years back :/
[15:17] <directhex> the list of supported countries is at http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home#dest
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> the joy of prepay is that you can't run up a huge bill, just find the phone stops working when you run out of credit :-)
[15:18] <directhex> Orange was £8 per meg in the USA, so 25GB at £8 per meg was £200,000
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: whoa
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> US is €9,10/megabyte for me
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> Australia is €0,24/MB
[15:20]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a story from mists of time when someone in a company sent a copy of afterdark screensaver via satellite link at work to office on different continent and it cost a few grand...
[15:22] <directhex> Laney: the solution is clear. we get fosdem moved to macau.
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> nah, mainland china, just to see how long the chinese firewall lasts :-P
[15:22] <Laney> the company would totes pay for my travel there, too
[15:23] <Laney> s/fosdem/fosdam/
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> Laney: fosdam would be in Amsterdam :P
[15:26] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: mainland isn't included. just macau & hongkong
[17:39] <DJones> Apacheuk: Please fix your connection
[17:43] <Apacheuk> Apologies was using my mobile.... Hadn't realised it was a problem
[18:04] <DJones> Apacheuk: No worries, just noticed the errors
[18:04] <DJones> Just wanted to flag it up in case you hadn't noticed yourself
[18:08] <Apacheuk> Djones: cheers