[08:06] <elfy> morning 
[09:21] <knome> morning elfy 
[09:21] <knome> elfy, let's go through the poll pad once you've "got" "feedback" from the list
[09:21] <elfy> knome: yep
[09:22] <knome> elfy, i mean i think it's obvious that i've given my feedback in the form of contributing to the pad... and if nobody has more comments, let's do some of it
[09:22] <elfy> yea :)
[09:22] <knome> elfy, there are currently 3 different questions/ways of asking there, we might want to cut down to two
[09:22] <elfy> btw the old stuff is still there I saved versions
[09:23] <elfy> not got time to talk now - just about to toddle of to work
[09:23] <knome> good
[09:23] <knome> same here
[09:23] <knome> well except i'm not wandering to work next..
[09:23] <elfy> perhaps later this evening - pleia2 might be about too 
[09:23] <elfy> heh - yea :)
[09:24] <knome> maybe, let's see how my schedule turns out
[09:43] <ochosi> morning
[09:46] <ochosi> i'm sorta surprised at how civilised the discussions on the ml are going
[09:50] <knome> why on earth do i not have the permissions to create files on a SD card i just formatted
[10:36] <brainwash> bluesabre: heh, I was pretty sure that you understood what I meant (-> backport keybind xml from vivid to trusty/utopic)
[10:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: the branches were not created before the package was accepted into proposed, right?
[10:38] <brainwash> does the new abiword version 3.0.1 have a new feature? it autostarts after login..
[10:39] <brainwash> same in for the guest session
[10:39] <brainwash> the guest session is also missing whisker menu
[10:39] <brainwash> what is going on? =S
[11:00] <bluesabre> brainwash: did you hit "Save Session" on your logout window?  abiword does not install into autostart
[11:01] <brainwash> no
[11:01] <brainwash> the guest session should even start a clean session
[11:01] <bluesabre> thats true
[11:01] <bluesabre> not sure whats going on for you there
[11:03] <bluesabre> sounds like maybe your xdg-xubuntu folders got messed up
[11:03] <brainwash> what about the whiskermenu entry? is it missing for you?
[11:04] <brainwash> in the guest session I mean
[11:04] <bluesabre> nope
[11:04] <brainwash> checked the logs and xfce4-session does not seem to start abiword
[11:04] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:04] <brainwash> up-to-date + -proposed?
[11:05] <brainwash> hi ochosi 
[11:05] <ochosi> hey brainwash 
[11:05] <bluesabre> brainwash: you know its a bad idea to actually use -proposed as a daily driver
[11:05] <brainwash> it is a test system
[11:06] <bluesabre> -proposed is a broken system... packages get rejected from -proposed before landing in the archive
[11:06] <bluesabre> heya ochosi
[11:07] <bluesabre> up to date and not proposed for me
[11:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: did i miss anything since i took off?
[11:07] <bluesabre> merged a greeter fixes branch...
[11:07] <ochosi> ah nicxe
[11:07] <ochosi> nice
[11:08] <ochosi> so is anything missing for 2.0?
[11:08] <bluesabre> not sure, but probably not
[11:08]  * bluesabre wishes he could get andrew p. to join irc
[11:09] <bluesabre> also, I'm planning on trying to clean up https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=20846&product=Xfce4-settings&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- this weekend
[11:11] <ochosi> right
[11:11] <ochosi> that looks like work
[11:13] <ochosi> we seem to have two display dialog related bugs that people seem to encounter time and again, there is one related to displayport (which i can't test) and the other related to the minimal dialog popping up all the time
[11:14] <bluesabre> yeah, for the tv stuff, I think its bad drivers... I found a bug in there and fixed it, but it still won't work for them unless the display settings just completely forget about what was attached previously
[11:14] <ochosi> hm, right
[11:14] <ochosi> yeah, that's possible
[11:14] <ochosi> btw, are you ok with wontfixing this one? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11132
[11:14] <bluesabre> and thats what makes the mini settings pop up indefinitely
[11:15] <bluesabre> yeah, dead space between the two screens makes it possible to lose things... so thats kind of dumb
[11:15] <ochosi> same as that: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10889
[11:15] <ochosi> (yeah, it's totally dumb...)
[11:17] <bluesabre> yup, wontfix that either
[11:17] <bluesabre> apply buttons are old-school, we only use them when needed (display settings)
[11:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: will you be around this weekend?
[11:18] <ochosi> yup, more or less
[11:19] <bluesabre> cool
[11:19] <bluesabre> maybe we can do a -settings sprint then and wipe some things out :)
[11:21] <ochosi> alrighty :)
[11:21] <ochosi> would make sense to clean up there some mor
[11:21] <ochosi> e
[11:23] <brainwash> we got informed by errors.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <brainwash> bug 1415683
[11:23] <bluesabre> oh hey
[11:23] <bluesabre> I was just about to mention that
[11:23] <bluesabre> in my paste buffer even
[11:23] <brainwash> :D
[11:23] <bluesabre> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7f085ba4e6c070ba9abb8d336c3f5c91007c09ac
[11:24] <brainwash> what does it say?
[11:24] <bluesabre> its just the stack trace
[11:24] <bluesabre> whos the person behind xfdesktop?
[11:25] <bluesabre> they can probably read it a bit easier
[11:25] <brainwash> eric
[11:25] <brainwash> which ubuntu releases?
[11:25] <bluesabre> eric_the_idiot: see above ^
[11:26] <bluesabre> 14.04, 14.10, 15.04
[11:26] <brainwash> ok
[11:26] <bluesabre> they stopped seeding it to trusty because of that issue
[11:26] <brainwash> you cannot read anything unless you have been approved to do so
[11:26] <bluesabre> you just have to sign up
[11:26] <bluesabre> and say "I work on xubuntu bugs"
[11:26] <brainwash> I know
[11:26] <brainwash> well, eric will have to
[11:26] <brainwash> or you share the stacktrace
[11:27] <bluesabre> eric_the_idiot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9935131/
[11:28] <bluesabre> let me know if I can help there
[11:31] <brainwash> bluesabre: will you prepare a new xubuntu-default-settings build for trusty-proposed?
[11:31] <bluesabre> yeah... is the utopic one ok?
[11:32] <brainwash> yes, the utopic one should be fine
[11:32] <brainwash> I'll inform the people then, so that they wait for the proper build for trusty and don't test yet
[11:33] <bluesabre> k
[11:39] <bluesabre> brainwash: does this one need to have all the "Primary" keys instead of "Control"?
[11:50] <brainwash> bluesabre: yes
[11:50] <bluesabre> k
[11:51] <brainwash> I've created the branch with this commit before the final release of trusty.. but it did not get merged right away
[11:53] <brainwash> there are no keybind reassignments or new keybinds across trusty/vivid/utopic, so these releases should ship an identical keybind xml
[11:54] <brainwash> oh lol.. I launch the lubuntu session and abiword is started too
[11:55] <bluesabre> sudo updatedb; locate abiword.desktop
[11:55] <brainwash> there is nothing in .config/autostart
[11:58] <bluesabre> did locate find anything?
[12:01] <bluesabre> also, should there be any changes except to etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml ?
[12:02] <brainwash> only to this xml file
[12:03] <brainwash> locate only lists the normal application desktop file and the app-install one
[12:03] <bluesabre> not sure what is starting it then
[12:04] <bluesabre> does the xml portion here seem to be what we're looking for, it really is only the Control > Primary changes
[12:04] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9935714/
[12:04] <brainwash> it's not xubuntu specific, so we can ignore it for now
[12:06] <brainwash> I guess so, you could diff the resulting xml with the vivid one
[12:06] <brainwash> there should be no difference
[12:08] <bluesabre> yup, no diff
[12:08] <brainwash> great
[12:12] <bluesabre> pushed
[12:15] <brainwash> thanks
[12:16] <brainwash> you will ping someone to accept it into -proposed, or? :)
[12:36] <bluesabre> usually not necessary, but did
[13:35] <brainwash> I tell firefox to download a file and lock the screen (light-locker). after unlocking I see that firefox stopped the download
[13:35] <ochosi> well, your seat does become inactive when you lock the screen
[13:35] <ochosi> so i'm not terribly surprised
[13:35] <brainwash> I know that
[13:35] <ochosi> that's why music-playback stops
[13:35] <brainwash> but light-locker breaks too many use cases
[13:36] <ochosi> right, so why are you sounding surprised?
[13:36] <ochosi> just use late-locking
[13:36] <brainwash> how?
[13:36] <brainwash> I use the keybind to trigger light-locker
[13:37]  * ochosi sighs
[13:38] <ochosi> use xscreensaver then
[13:38] <ochosi> it's not like anybody is *forced* to use light-locker
[13:38] <ochosi> that's the beauty of linux, you can un/install packages and modify your setup
[13:38] <brainwash> exactly, we should revert to xscreensaver until light-locker does not break any of use cases
[13:39] <ochosi> add it to the agenda and state your case in the next meeting
[13:39] <brainwash> ok
[15:00] <knome_web> hullo
[15:01] <elfy> hello
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> hey new knome
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[15:01] <knome_web> are we into the meeting already? :)
[15:01] <elfy> will be tomorrow :)
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> isnt' that just tomorrow
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> ?
[15:02] <knome_web> oh...
[15:02] <elfy> :)
[15:02] <knome_web> really?
[15:02] <knome_web> haha.
[15:02] <elfy> yea - really :)
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> silly new knome
[15:02] <elfy> would I lie to you ... 
[15:02] <knome_web> i shall quit then and spend time with other people here...
[15:02] <elfy> bye :)
[15:02] <knome_web> elfy: if that earned you a cuppa... yes
[15:03] <ochosi> hf knome_web 
[15:03] <knome_web> ta
[15:03] <knome_web> you too
[15:03] <slickymasterWork> lol
[15:03] <elfy> hi slickymasterWork too 
[15:03]  * knome_web facepalms
[15:03] <elfy> bad move when all webby - gets stuck everywhere ... 
[16:25] <brainwash> elfy: do you know why the idea of dropping the games came up?
[16:26] <brainwash> just read the discussion on the mailing list
[16:26] <slickymasterWork> brainwash, the idea was originally started by knome and I
[16:28] <brainwash> after elfy said to drop them?
[16:28] <brainwash> :D
[16:28] <brainwash> I will have to check the logs
[16:30] <slickymasterWork> it was after one of this years' firsts meetings
[16:30] <slickymasterWork> don't recall now which one
[16:40] <elfy> wasn't too long back 
[16:41] <elfy> I Think ti came about re one of the games and CSD 
[16:43] <brainwash> 2015-01-14
[16:43] <brainwash> [22:48] <brainwash> should gnome-mines be replaced too? I noticed that it uses CSD too now
[16:43] <brainwash> [22:49] <elfy> I'd lose games completely given the chance
[16:43] <brainwash> [22:49] <brainwash> you can't do that!
[16:43] <brainwash> [22:49] <slickymaster> +1 on that
[16:43] <elfy> yea 
[16:43] <elfy> changed my mind now 
[16:45] <brainwash> close the discussion!
[16:45] <brainwash> :)
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> let it roll brainwash 
[16:54] <brainwash> no, let it go, let it go!
[16:54] <baffledbear> It's interesting to see what people's opinions are on the subject.
[16:55] <ochosi> as long as they remain on topic, it is
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> exactly
[16:55] <baffledbear> True. The ones that are asking for new games to be added are less interesting.
[18:49] <knome> the discussion about removal of games was one thing that was brought up (into my mind) along with the other removal/replacement discussions about GIMP/LO
[18:50] <knome> (it isn't like these ideas just popped to our minds 5 minutes before we sent out the mails, they have been discussed for a longer time already)
[18:50] <ali1234> if CSD are a problem in some gnome app then remember we might be able to do a straight swap for the mate version
[18:50] <ali1234> calculator springs to mind
[18:50] <ali1234> i don't think mate forked gnome games
[18:51] <knome> once the dust has landed on keeping/dropping games, it's time to do a proposal round of new games
[18:51] <knome> not necessarily on the mailing list though, we already have the data from there..
[19:41] <elfy> knome: makes some sense
[19:42] <elfy> ali1234: I have indicator-sound, whatever bug 1411959 was about appears to have done the trick 
[19:57] <elfy> Unit193: did the 64 bit core image one - all worked fine for me on vb
[20:01] <Unit193> elfy: Nothing broken?  Nice.  I'll do 32 then.  Did you by chance grab the package list?
[20:01] <elfy> nope 
[20:02] <elfy> that's not actually something I am EVER likely to do by chance :D
[20:03] <elfy> whatever command I might need isn't one I'd know - quick enough to boot it and see though :)
[20:04] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/packs I think I had you run that, except rather than using less, pipe to a file (going to compare it to your last one.  Or my last one, whichever.)
[20:07] <elfy> oh yea - xscreensaver whine pops up - out of date 
[20:09] <elfy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9942458/
[20:09] <elfy> there it is Unit193 
[20:11] <Unit193> lp 1407119, lp 1406825 it's to be expected.  Ah, great.
[20:11] <elfy> yea - I did see something beforehand 
[20:18] <Unit193> Couple of interesting differences..
[21:39] <brainwash> bluesabre: found the trigger which launches abiword on my system automatically
[21:39] <brainwash> http://fossies.org/linux/abiword/plugins/collab/backends/telepathy/unix/org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.AbiCollab.service.in
[21:41] <Unit193> So I take it others have it where the indicators mostly work, but with glitches?  Click an indicator to activate the menu, click it again to deactivate or click on another indicator and it will not deactivate.
[21:42] <ochosi> for me it mostly deactivates when i click another indicator
[21:42] <ochosi> but it doesn't open that indicator menu upon first click
[22:05] <pleia2> knome, elfy - fosdeming this weekend, not around much (currently at philadelphia airport, woo)
[22:05]  * pleia2 brought her xubuntu t-shirt :D
[22:06] <Unit193> pleia2: Yey!  Have fun!
[22:08] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, have fun!