[09:45] <Noskcaj> Which patch in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342893 should kwin take for the libinput transition?
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:08] <ovidiu-florin> Morning from Brussels beautiful people :D
[10:10] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ah, you are already there, how nice ;)
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> it was a hell of a ride
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> 12 hours
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> almost
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> Bus -> plane -> bus -> tram
[10:10] <lordievader> You where coming from Romania right?
[10:11] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[10:11] <ovidiu-florin> because of the schedule, I had to take the plane from Budapest, Hungary
[10:11] <lordievader> Ah, we are going by train. For us it will be easy, Belgium is a neighbour.
[10:11] <ovidiu-florin> that;'s a 4 hour drive
[10:11] <lordievader> Quite a journey, indeed.
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> so, lordievader I'll finaly get to meet you?
[10:13] <sitter> Noskcaj: for where what when?
[10:14] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Likely, yes :)
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: when will you arrive?
[10:18] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Somewhere in the evening. We are leaving here around 17:30. Which will get us to the border by about 20:40. And from there I thought it was about an hour to get to Brussels.
[10:18] <sitter> Noskcaj: ah, 0.9 transition I presume ... the fix that was supposedly applied in kwin master would be the one we need. please do run this by mgraesslin@kde.org though, we don't want him getting angry by patching things without his knowledge ^^
[10:18] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: here being?
[10:20] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Enschede.
[10:31] <soee_> good morning
[11:23] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9954655/ what do you reckon?
[11:23] <sitter> oh, suppose he's traveling
[11:24] <sitter> that's the new output format for release_data I am thinking about
[11:26] <sitter> another option, which might actually be more useful in future ventuers would be to dump the actual object tree itself meaning all objects need to be marshalable ... so each artifact block (i.e. released thing) would be comprised of a stringified project (which would be equal to the format one can use to manually define a project on the other end of tarme), a release which contains a stringified source block {vcs block} l10n block {vcs block} 
[11:26] <sitter> documetnation {vcs block}
[11:26] <sitter> alas, that is obviously substantially more verbose without much gain ^^
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[12:30] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: are you still around?
[12:52] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: For a little bit. Going to get some cash in a bit. What's up?
[12:53] <ovidiu-florin> at what time did you say you are ariving?
[12:53] <lordievader> Somewhere around 10-11 pm I think.
[12:53] <ovidiu-florin> and are you going out with the guys this evening?
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: are you comming?
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ^^
[12:54] <lordievader> I'm going to the beer event with my friends, I suppose I'll see you guys there.
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: said something about meeting tonight, or this evening
[12:55] <ovidiu-florin> when and where is the beer event?
[12:55] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: https://fosdem.org/2015/beerevent/
[12:56] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: first time in Brussels?
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: yes
[12:57] <Mamarok> then be careful, the Belgian beer is often much stronger than others
[12:57] <Mamarok> and don't try to try them all, there are too many :)
[12:57] <Mamarok> would probably take a lifetime
[12:58] <lordievader> Mamarok: He is still european :P
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> I have some experience with beer
[12:58] <Mamarok> well, I know a few Europeans who didn't know Belgian beer before
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> mostly it's under bars tables, but it experience :D
[12:59] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: experience with Belgian beer as well?
[12:59] <Mamarok> if not, take my advice, really
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> I will, thank you
[12:59] <lordievader> Yeah, I see they are quite a bit stronger than your regular beer.
[13:00] <lordievader> Time to get moneys.
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: are you coming?
[13:00] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: no
[13:00] <Mamarok> Chimay Triple is not just " a bit" stronger :)
[13:01] <Mamarok> all trappist beers are much stronger
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: I'm not
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> sitter shadeslayer no to beer event or no to FOSDEM?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> I think ovidiu-florin gets a pass on the Belgian beer warning
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> because of Țuică?
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[13:03] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> I brought another bottle with me :D
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> 2 leeters this time
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> to have enough :D
[13:03] <shadeslayer> jesus christ
[13:04] <shadeslayer> People drink enough beer at FOSDEM as it is
[13:04] <shadeslayer> that will just kill them
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Maintainers dropping like flies xD
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: I'm not coming to FOSDEM at all
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> well, this help to have pretty code and awesome speaches
[13:04] <shadeslayer> If there's one thing I've learnt, FOSS is not good for your liver
[13:05] <Mamarok> hm, that name rings a bell...
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> which name?
[13:05] <Mamarok> Ţuică :)
[13:06]  * Mamarok also knows some Romanian
[13:06] <Mamarok> people, that is
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: it's Țuică, not Ţuică.
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> The Ţ and Ț are not the same
[13:07] <Mamarok> tell that to wikipedia, they wrote it like that :)
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> link please
[13:07] <Mamarok> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%9Auic%C4%83
[13:07] <Mamarok> first word of the sentence
[13:08] <Mamarok> what's the difference in spelling?
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: remember? "Normally, țuica is only consumed before the meal (traditionally every meal)"
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> Ț is the romanian letter
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> Ţ is a letter Microsoft invented in Win '98
[13:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:11] <Mamarok> sorry, I mean the difference in pronunciation
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> and didn't fix untill Windows Vista
[13:11] <Mamarok> ah, so it's just a wrong letter?
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[13:12] <ovidiu-florin> there's also Ș în romanian, with a comma
[13:12] <Mamarok> funny :)
[13:12] <shadeslayer> 'Close enough'
[13:12] <ovidiu-florin> and a s with a cedilla which is a turkish letter
[13:12] <ovidiu-florin> so MS took the cedilla and invented a new letter
[13:12] <Mamarok> is that like the Hungarion s?
[13:12] <Mamarok> hunarian*
[13:13] <Mamarok> gah, Hungarian*
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> and since the Romanian government didn't react with enough disaster back then, beople got used to it, and some people still use the wrong version
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> since Win XP never got the font update
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> now there are hacks to make it right on XP, but not entirely official....
[13:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: ksyslog is still broken in ci when called through krunner
[13:14] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dqG8BuRz
[13:14] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: you didn't answer my question, how do you pronounce Ș ? Like the s in Hungarian?
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: you didn't answer, are you coming to FOSDEM?
[13:15] <Mamarok> no, too much work
[13:15] <Mamarok> have to release Amarok 2.9 this weekend
[13:15] <Mamarok> and I am not done with my day job either
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: like the first sound when you say shut (up), like the "sh"
[13:16]  * sitter hates svn :@
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: you're not the only one
[13:18] <Mamarok> ok, similar to the s in só, then
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:23] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: are you hungarian?
[13:24] <ovidiu-florin> hy BluesKaj
[13:24] <BluesKaj> hi ovidiu-florin
[13:51] <lordievader> sitter: Git for the win :)
[13:56] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: no, not at all, I only know some elements of Hungarian, one of my best friend is Hungarian
[13:56] <Mamarok> and I am interested in language in general
[15:09] <pqatsi> BUG Report: Using PPA (kubuntu-ppa/next, kubuntu-ppa/next-backports, kubuntu-ci/weekly), i got this issue: http://pastie.org/private/z6qtg7vrvqez0kswfwpbtq
[15:09] <pqatsi> Have some prevision of fix, like provide the libkf5globalaccel-* into plasma-workspace or split it in next-backport too...
[15:09] <pqatsi> ?
[15:10] <sitter> you cannot mix weekly and backports
[15:12] <pqatsi> sitter: i must mix
[15:12] <pqatsi> weekly and next are incomplete each-other
[15:12] <pqatsi> I only got a entire kde system when use both 3
[15:12] <sitter> what's missing in backports?
[15:12] <pqatsi> Also, this is the unique trouble i had. The system is stable as a rock
[15:13] <pqatsi> No no, the plasma-workspace is more updated in next-backport than in kubuntu-ci/weekly
[15:13] <sitter> yes, that's why you have the problem you have and why I said you can not mix the two
[15:13] <pqatsi> so it prefer the next-backport, but next-backport package also provides files from libkf5globalaccel
[15:13] <sitter> weekly integrates at a slower pace, hence why there is a conflict
[15:14] <pqatsi> But does not register in Provides of dpkg system
[15:14] <pqatsi> sitter: i know. its a bug because next-backport plasma-workspace package provides libkf5globalaccel but not reports in dpkg a correct Provides
[15:14] <sitter> the libkf5globalaccel of backports doesn't have kglobalacceld
[15:15] <pqatsi> Because if this package have this lib and also have a Provides: in it, dpkg will do exactly what i did
[15:15] <sitter> if you don't use weekly you don't have a conflict
[15:15] <pqatsi> sitter: yeap, its just a debian/control issue
[15:15] <sitter> you are not listening :P 
[15:16] <sitter> there only is a conflict when you mix a CI frameworks with a backports workspace
[15:16] <pqatsi> so you suggest use ci-daily?
[15:16] <_Groo_> pqatsi: he suggests not to mix ci with backports
[15:16] <pqatsi> sitter: my point is w/o next-backports, i cant get a entire working system
[15:17] <_Groo_> pqatsi: two different beasts
[15:17] <_Groo_> pqatsi: apps 14.12 werent backported to ci yet (utopic)
[15:17] <sitter> either you use backports, or you use CI, if one of the two is missing a package then you should point out which package is missing :P
[15:18] <pqatsi> sitter: i cant tell a package in specific, i can install one by one. But ci + next does not provide a entire kde5 system - and i dont know why
[15:19] <pqatsi> KDE5 just worked well with backport packages together - and in dist-upgrade, it install a lot of packages
[15:19] <pqatsi> (new, not update)
[15:20] <pqatsi> _Groo_: Hmmm, and 15.04 base is stable for use
[15:20] <pqatsi> (Stable here == entire distro stable like weekly kde)
[15:20] <pqatsi> ?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> my last kde upgrade on kubuntu 15.04 /plasma 5.2 left me with an orphaned control module error, so system settings is basically useless atm, amongst other problems
[16:21] <soee> oh?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> running recovery kernel 
[16:25] <soee> BluesKaj: all works fine for me
[16:26] <BluesKaj> still messed up here
[16:46] <BluesKaj> maybe the new daily will fix this, since there are no more upgrades available for the present install, which is badly broken
[18:51] <BluesKaj_> I see an series of package upgrades is available, but I'm reluctant to run it since the last upgrade broke my setup so badly
[18:53] <BluesKaj_> reiinstalled the daily to / and now all seems fine so when it's safe to do so again I'll upgrade...dunno exactly how I'll know when that is , but I'm definitely going to wait for the all clear
[18:55] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: i'm not at fosdem sadly
[22:39] <cyphermox> what would be the correct package for a bug in the panel's intellihide feature?
[22:39] <cyphermox> plasma-desktop maybe?
[22:43] <shadeslayer> cyphermox: plasmashell
[22:43] <shadeslayer> cyphermox: for Plasma 5
[22:44] <shadeslayer> should be reported upstream though
[22:44] <cyphermox> thanks
[22:44] <cyphermox> I'm not sure if it's plasma 5 or what
[22:46] <shadeslayer> hm, apt-cache policy plasma-workspace should tell you
[22:56] <valorie> did the upgrade in 14.10 to Plasma 5.2 and the new windeco are cool
[22:57] <valorie> only problem I had is that neither restart nor shutdown from menu would work
[22:58] <valorie> oddly, sudo shutdown now restarted
[22:58] <valorie> restart did restart from the login screen though, so maybe it was just an artefact of the upgrade
[22:59] <valorie> menus seem to work now