[02:26] <diddledan> jpds_, in what way was I wrong about IL3?
[02:27] <daftykins> psst
[02:29] <shauno> sssh
[02:30] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkwgjb6qj108xh2/IMG_20150130_022455.jpg?dl=0
[02:30] <daftykins> miaow.
[02:30] <shauno> lol
[02:30] <shauno> you rent?
[02:31] <daftykins> nah, why?
[02:31] <shauno> I've noticed all the rentals here seem to have exactly the same furniture / curtains / etc.
[02:31] <shauno> and I swear I had that exact same chair in my last house
[02:31] <daftykins> XD
[02:31] <daftykins> ah i got that from my parents
[02:32] <daftykins> those are the shorts that succuumbed to the great gravity fail of August 28th 2014
[02:32] <daftykins> so many holes in them XD
[02:32] <shauno> (I rent because I refuse to believe I'm not a 12yo, and consider myself ready to move to another country at a moment's notice)
[02:33] <daftykins> :D
[02:33] <shauno> which used to make sense, but now I've had the same job for 8 years, I kinda feel like one of them little yellow minion dudes
[02:33] <daftykins> d'aww
[02:34] <daftykins> could be worse, you could've done your own thing since Uni and never quite grown up
[02:34] <daftykins> never quite gone official too, so if i tried to get a job they'd ask what i did with the last 7 years
[02:35] <diddledan> daftykins, I managed to find a company that didn't ask :-p
[02:36] <daftykins> no way1
[02:36] <daftykins> *!
[02:36] <daftykins> the gov don't care?
[02:37] <shauno> I had a weird one with that.  I had a job in the US where they just assumed I was illegal
[02:37] <diddledan> heh, the government gave me security clearence
[02:37] <diddledan> (hence being allowed to see IL3 documents)
[02:38] <daftykins> shauno: O_O and didn't care?
[02:39] <daftykins> that's nice of them
[02:39] <daftykins> i got quite insulted at US immigration the way the zombie at the desk went "if you work for money you will be deported"
[02:39] <shauno> apparently not.  I made a comment about my greencard one day, and they decided that meant I had to pay taxes now
[02:39] <shauno> it was quite odd
[02:39] <daftykins> doh, so if only you'd stayed quiet? :D
[02:40] <shauno> it probably would have been worse, because I filed taxes like a good boy.  I had no idea they though otherwise
[02:40] <diddledan> daftykins, as opposed to working for free?
[02:40] <diddledan> or working for gifts in kind?
[02:41] <daftykins> :)
[02:41] <shauno> that is about the only sensible answer to that ;)
[02:43] <daftykins> i better sleep before this nutjob in #ubuntu who runs everything as root, angers me
[02:43] <daftykins> and before i get too existential
[02:43] <shauno> or you could just kill that tab
[02:43] <daftykins> who wants a shingles update? :D
[02:43] <daftykins> nah i'm not too hot with irssi so if i parted that channel, i'd have them all out of order! D:
[02:44] <shauno> I'm still not convinced shingles is a realy thing
[02:44] <shauno> I think if you /part instead of /kill is should leave the window intact?
[02:44] <shauno> or you could just ignore him
[02:44] <daftykins> in that case you'll enjoy pic 4
[02:44] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7jsakunsdbm71mk/shingles4.jpg?dl=0
[02:44] <daftykins> higher res edition!
[02:44] <daftykins> they're kinda going now, but i'm now in regular grimmacy firey burn pain
[02:45] <shauno> heh
[02:46] <shauno> I have a friend who suffers from extreme eczema, so ends up with stuff like http://i.imgur.com/OFvLkZp.jpg
[02:46] <daftykins> wow
[02:47] <daftykins> it's like a little lightning bolt
[02:47] <shauno> makes me feel so normal :)
[02:48] <shauno> (I don't really do 'ill'.  I used to suffer from food-poisoning a lot, until the smoke came out my wall and my cooker stopped working)
[02:48] <daftykins> now it's takeaways? :)
[02:48] <daftykins> i really didn't get ill before this either
[02:48] <daftykins> it's been a pretty gradual descent down since my accident and hospital really
[02:49] <daftykins> plus turning 30 next month
[02:49] <shauno> awww
[02:49] <shauno> I remember my 30th :)  I passed out in the funniest position ..
[02:50] <diddledan> lol
[02:50] <shauno> went on a pub crawl in newcastle.  with what I could only describe as a camra extremist.
[02:51] <daftykins> perhaps we shouldn't ask...
[02:51] <daftykins> lmao
[02:51] <diddledan> camra?
[02:51] <daftykins> now that is a fine terrorist organisation
[02:51] <shauno> which all went fine, until someone decided cider would be a good idea.
[02:51] <daftykins> a mate messaged me tonight saying he's at some kinda ale/beer fest up in Scotland
[02:51] <diddledan> shauno, my brother got me onto snakebite+black once
[02:51] <daftykins> diddledan: campaign for real ale
[02:52] <daftykins> eh, i was at Portsmouth Uni - snakebite there was already with blackcurrant
[02:52] <shauno> I was doing fine until the cider.  but I woke up in my dad's house, infront of his fireplace, in the position the buddhists call 'prostrate'
[02:52] <diddledan> rumour has it that snakebite+black causes weird psychiatric distrubance for a short period
[02:53] <shauno> no.  drinking with students causes psychiatric distrubances
[02:53] <diddledan> lol
[02:53] <shauno> uff, I used to drink with a swedish exchange student.  I met him in the pub once, and he was sat all alone with a pitcher of something aweful
[02:54] <shauno> he asked if I'd like one, and I said yes, assuming it'd mean a glass for me too.
[02:54] <daftykins> does that mean terrible, or full of awe?
[02:54] <shauno> so they brought me a pitcher too ..
[02:54] <diddledan> oops
[02:55] <shauno> daftykins: welcome to English.  it's not fun.  horror->horrible->horrific.  terrible->terrible->terrific.  why is terrific a good thing?  the english language hates us :)
[02:56] <shauno> er, terror->terrible
[02:56] <daftykins> XD
[02:57] <daftykins> g'night gents
[02:57] <shauno> there's a polish chap at work who keeps sending me things to proof before he sends them.  I gave up when it came to explaining why advise is a verb and advice is a noun.
[02:57] <shauno> 'night daftykins
[03:03] <shauno> ooh nice, the devel branch of wireshark for osx actually uses native toolkits instead of x11
[03:06] <shauno> I think I'll sleep too.  I have to visit the humans tomorrow to find a new pump for my heating thingie
[03:31] <diddledan> shauno, you're still without heat?
[03:31] <diddledan> and does that mean I'm left all on my own.. :-(
[03:31] <shauno> yes
[03:37] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, surely your alternative nick should be zmoylan-3-14!
[03:42] <zmoylan-pi> *I AM NOT A NUMBER* ::cue prisoner music::
[03:42] <zmoylan-pi> release the giant baloon :-)
[03:44] <shauno> lol don't you start
[03:44] <shauno> I'm trying to explain to a yank that the song they play at graduation is "land of hope and glory"
[03:50] <diddledan> shauno, lol, so the dudes who battled to not be british celebrate acheivement by playing a british patriotic tune?!
[03:50] <shauno> you didn't know this?!
[03:51] <diddledan> nope
[03:51] <shauno> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tW0QqiT2LU&t=275
[03:51] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of tunes were repurposed for new lyrics
[03:51] <diddledan> I can't sing the song without going into hitler has only got one ball
[03:52] <shauno> like the 'stars and stripes"?  which started off as a british drinking tune?
[03:52] <shauno> Elgar was asked to dress this one up for edward8's coronation.  it wasn't written for this purpose, but it was the original author who added the lyrics
[04:02] <mapito> hey all
[04:02] <shauno> oh dear
[04:02] <shauno> allo mapps, but I think your appearance means it's bedtime
[04:06] <mapito> what ye all upto
[04:06] <mapito> hah
[04:06] <mapito> im home early than normal
[04:07] <shauno> I are be up to bugger all, really
[04:07] <shauno> I tried blocking my chimney to see if it'd make my living room warmer.  my living room now smells fantastic
[04:11] <mapito> lol
[04:11] <mapito> really?
[04:42]  * diddledan is watching an oldie classic - outbreak
[04:43] <diddledan> good ol' dustbin hoffman
[04:45] <shauno> I'm shopping for flats, and trying to decide if I can really tolerate living with random humans
[04:47] <mapito> ;]
[04:47] <mapito> moving?
[04:48] <shauno> dunno
[04:48] <shauno> this house is miserable
[04:49] <shauno> I don't have heating, I don't have hot water.  there's more, but that's the crux of the issue
[04:51] <zmoylan-pi> cold showers are character forming :-)
[04:52] <shauno> lol
[04:53] <shauno> I would answer that, but the family-friendly rules forbid my answer :)
[04:53] <mapito> who do you live with atm
[04:53] <shauno> I do have an electric shower.  so that's not actually an issue.  but the taps are ...
[04:54] <shauno> right now, I live with me, myself and irene.  it's not the cheapest method, but it'd good for my brain
[04:54] <zmoylan-pi> ah then you don't have cold showers, i had cold showers while immersion was been replaced.  middle of summer and i thought for a week i was going to die of hypothermia.  mind you ireland, so...
[04:55] <diddledan> shauno, you wash?
[04:55] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, you do, too?
[04:55] <diddledan> you really are strange basement-dwellers
[04:57] <diddledan> shauno, irene?
[04:57] <diddledan> shauno, does she stay on the proviso that you offer sexual favours?
[04:57] <shauno> it's a film
[04:58] <shauno> although, I did see a flat advert that basically stated thus
[04:58] <diddledan> well that fell on deaf ears
[04:59] <shauno> I saw a flat ad for dublin where you could share a bed for x price, with all kinds of .. erm .. well I can't find a polite way to state what he meant by this
[04:59] <shauno> or a room in the same flat for 2*x
[04:59] <diddledan> wow
[05:00] <shauno> indeed
[05:00] <diddledan> did he mind what gender?
[05:00] <mapito> lol really
[05:00] <mapito> hahaha post link
[05:00] <diddledan> although I'm not sure you're allowed to discriminate
[05:01] <shauno> oh you are.  the last one that caught my eye had 'females only'
[05:01] <diddledan> I'm in a one-bedroom. I wonder if I should advertise for a female room-mate
[05:02] <shauno> which I kinda understand, and kinda don't.  I can see that if you have 3 ladies in a place, a 4th is much easier than "one of us"
[05:02] <shauno> on the other hand, my ex-wife potty-trained me, and I'd much rather be rejected on my merits
[05:04] <diddledan> no wonder you split up if she was constantly trying to change you :-p
[05:04] <shauno> lol
[05:04] <shauno> I'd explain why we split up, but again, family-friendly
[05:04] <shauno> lets just say she had some hobbies which weren't family-friendly
[05:04] <diddledan> err
[05:05] <diddledan> I'm not sure if that's intriguing or scary
[05:05] <shauno> "yes"
[05:05] <diddledan> teehee
[05:08] <diddledan> the monkey in outbreak is adorable
[05:08] <shauno> most monkeys are adorable
[05:08] <shauno> except bonobos
[05:08] <shauno> actually
[05:09] <diddledan> which are the ones with the huge bum?
[05:09] <shauno> go wiki bonobo monkeys.  you'll get a fair idea of why I'm divorced
[05:09] <shauno> no, that's baboon
[05:14] <mapito> sweet
[05:14] <mapito> suits is back on
[05:15] <shauno> serialz?!
[05:15] <shauno> to the torrentmobile, batman!
[05:15] <shauno> I mean.  I shall have to watch out for that.  I assume it's on ch4 or somesuch
[05:22] <diddledan> shauno, there's a large array of sexual behaviour on that wiki page - I'm wondering which of them your ex was prone towards - certainly the lack of monogomy might be an issue
[05:22] <shauno> let's just say "yes"
[05:22] <diddledan> lol
[05:23] <shauno> okay, this isn't quite family-friendly, but it's not also not-family-friendly, so I feel I can share
[05:24] <shauno> my strangest experience with my ex, was after I'd moved into my 'office' so we were sleeping in seperate rooms
[05:24] <shauno> and her "guy in dublin" came to visit, so was upstairs in her room
[05:24] <shauno> and said "guy in dublin" found out about "guy in galway".  and was on the phone to her
[05:25] <shauno> so I was sitting, in my house, listening to some guy freaking out on the phone with my wife, because he'd just found out he wasn't my wife's only boyfriend
[05:26] <diddledan> eep
[05:26] <shauno> it was, to say the least, a little awkward
[05:27] <diddledan> methinks you being married to her should have trumped his being a boyfriend
[05:27] <diddledan> unless she was also married to other folks
[05:27] <shauno> oh it was done and dusted by then
[05:28] <diddledan> aah
[05:28] <shauno> she was only back because her last 'guy' turned out to be ... err .. well he was from new jersey.
[05:28] <shauno> and I offered that I still had her room basically untouched, and it made more sense for her to crash there than deal with a monkey
[05:29] <shauno> she's still there and I moved out, but it seemed like the right think to do at the time
[05:57] <mapito> damn
[05:57] <mapito> sucks having no desk you know
[05:57] <mapito> no desk here..no offie chair
[05:57] <mapito> so i sit on the bed and its uncomfortable so i endup crossing my legs
[05:57] <mapito> after 30mins..get up yep leg aches
[05:58] <mapito> :(
[05:59] <mapito> anyone read about microsoft cantor or whatever it is? basicallu MS answer to siri..predicted like 15-1 in the world cup
[05:59] <diddledan> lol @ quote from outbreak - lady says "I got a friend in the coast guard" dustbin hoffman asks "how close a friend" she replies "closer than his wife would like"
[06:01] <mapito> you off woek today?:D
[06:01] <diddledan> nope :-p
[06:03] <mapito> urgh
[06:04] <mapito> what time you work from and till
[06:04] <diddledan> 9 till 5:30
[06:10] <mapito> what do you do then sleep when you finish for like 20hrs?
[06:10] <diddledan> teehee
[07:13] <mapito> id feel awful doing what you do diddledan :)
[07:13] <mapito> when ive not had enough sleep i get irritable..agitated..hot and bothered
[07:13] <mapito> and hate it:D
[07:17] <mapito> suits is so good
[07:17] <mapito> and one of the girls in it is crazy hot
[08:09] <knightwi1e> morning everyone
[08:24] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:58] <diddledan> time for work
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:23] <diddledan> and that's my hours submitted for payday today
[09:24] <diddledan> annoying that it includes xmas which means days not working, so no money :-p
[09:24] <diddledan> allo davmor2
[09:41] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:43] <diddledan> moo
[09:45] <diddledan> I wonder if any banks do "incoming payment" alerts such as for payday deposits
[09:45] <diddledan> I wanna know what time my wages hit my bank account
[09:46]  * diddledan rubs his hands in glee
[09:46] <diddledan> I missed a week in december due to bank holidays being on fridays so I get an extra week this month \o/
[09:46] <MooDoo> mine normally hit at 12 midnight :D
[09:47] <MooDoo> ooo i've been paid
[09:47] <diddledan> mine is manually done
[09:47] <MooDoo> :p
[09:47] <diddledan> if I were on a salery it would be auto I guess, but I need to file a timesheet and get the wages calculated off that
[09:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! *8OD
[09:48] <diddledan> JamesTait, it's only fun today because it's payday
[09:48] <JamesTait> diddledan, *every* day is fun at work day!
[09:48] <diddledan> teehee
[09:48] <JamesTait> (For certain definitions of fun)
[09:48] <bashrc> happy fun payday
[09:49] <diddledan> and tomorrow we're celebrating my nephew's december birthday
[09:49] <diddledan> his DOB is actually 22nd December so my sister decided it was too close to xmas for a party
[09:50] <diddledan> I lost track of how old he is already
[09:50] <diddledan> he's either 3 or 4
[09:50] <diddledan> I really suck as an uncle :-p
[09:51] <diddledan> or maybe I'm just being true to uncledom?
[09:51] <diddledan> I need to consider pinching his cheeks and saying "look how big you've got"
[09:52] <diddledan> though I believe that's usually left up to the aunties
[09:56] <awilkins> Uncles are traditionally the more subversive and evil one that shows their nephews and nieces evil tricks that will plague their parents for months
[10:00] <diddledan> teehee
[10:00] <diddledan> that sounds fun
[10:00] <diddledan> I like that we can fill their heads with nonsense and then hand them back
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: How's that different from any other work day?
[10:02] <JamesTait> davmor2, that's what I said, isn't it? ;)
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: was in meetings still playing catch up :)
[10:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, that doesn't sound like fun at work. ;)
[10:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: the outcome of the meetings was fun though
[10:06] <diddledan> davmor2, more holiday?
[10:06] <JamesTait> Company trip to Disneyland?
[10:07] <diddledan> free transport to FOSDEM?
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[10:07] <davmor2> JamesTait: no more testing :D
[10:07] <diddledan> \o/
[10:07] <diddledan> wait, doesn't that mean you ship dodgy code?
[10:08]  * JamesTait bites his tongue.
[10:08] <davmor2> 096797
[10:08] <diddledan> I was just about to say that
[10:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, 2fa gets everywhere these days. :-P
[10:09] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm testing JamesTait code it's bound to be broken
[10:09] <diddledan> davmor2, I thought you weren't testing anymore
[10:10] <davmor2> diddledan: no, more testing
[10:10] <diddledan> oooooh, a comma.
[10:10] <davmor2> it made sense in my head :)
[10:10] <diddledan> problem with the internet, that.
[10:11] <diddledan> apparently they haven't invented neural linkage capability
[10:12] <davmor2> muppets what are they playing about at
[10:13] <diddledan> I know, right. If I were in charge it would be the first thing I'd make them invent
[10:14] <davmor2> diddledan: I wouldn't, I'm not sure I want to know what goes on in your head ;)
[10:14] <diddledan> davmor2, I do my best to keep you lot informed. problem is it gets me the wrong side of family friendly and I start getting moaned at
[10:15] <diddledan> shauno keeps telling me off for, you know, thinking.
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:47] <bashrc> morning
[11:02] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[11:02] <davmor2> can't you tell popey isn't hear I mean it silent on here really today :D
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> yeah, he's.. training 8-)
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> Apparently, I have 500/500 now.. or soon-ish
[11:06] <MooDoo> literally train-ing.
[11:09] <MooDoo> :)
[11:09] <bashrc> training on a train
[11:09] <diddledan> sure he's not on a sales campaign?
[11:11] <diddledan> MOOOOODOOOOOOO
[11:11] <diddledan> :-(
[11:15] <diddledan> train must have wifi
[11:15] <popey_> :)
[11:15] <diddledan> ello
[11:15]  * popey_ pokes davmor2
[11:16] <popey_> That is all.
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: How's the training?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the train had 4G, even underwater, 2 weeks ago :)
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: where you at now?
[11:17] <popey_> St pancras
[11:18] <diddledan> I heard you can get cancer there
[11:18] <diddledan> in your st pancreus
[12:08] <Myrtti> popey: https://plus.google.com/111101795166699165422/posts/a3XiqxXZ7s7
[12:12] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1416373
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> :') 1,073,741,824 57.8MB/s   in 18s
[15:20] <diddledan> you got your upgrade?
[15:20] <diddledan> I'm on 152Mbit/12Mbit
[15:21] <diddledan> or there abouts for the upstream - they don't actually advertise what the up is
[15:21] <daftykins> bit weird :(
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yeah, got the upgrade today
[15:21] <diddledan> or at least they don't make it easy to find
[15:21]  * diddledan googlies
[15:22] <diddledan> yeah, thinkbroadbent agrees with 12Mbit
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> I need to test my upload.. how can I do that easily?
[15:23] <daftykins> host a file and ask us to download it :D
[15:23] <daftykins> that's the only real world way imo
[15:23] <jpds_> MartijnVdS: speedtest-cli.
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> jpds_: I don't trust that -- download speed is lower than what I get with wget :)
[15:24] <daftykins> hah yeah a service like that testing his connection XD i don't think so
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> jpds_: and upload is only 200 and not the 500 I've been promised
[15:25] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: i wonder if VPSs are fast enough for you to throw a file up to, to test?
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I think there's a bandwidth test thing on my ISPs network.. iperf?
[15:26] <jpds_> I probably have a faster link than the test server: http://pastebin.com/JsM7t7N9
[15:27] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: ah yeah, i've used that for LAN testing
[15:34] <awilkins> speedtest-cli reports much lower speed than the web app
[15:34] <awilkins> I'm getting 90 / 6  according to the webapp
[15:35] <awilkins> Or somewhere around 55 - 65 / 6 according to the CLI
[15:35] <awilkins> Using multiple HTTP downloads of an ubuntu ISO from three mirrors at once I'm getting around 75Mbit/s
[17:24] <daftykins> crikey, MS Outlook is so terrible. tell it to download a mail store from scratch and it still writes in loads of junk space ballooning the cache file larger than it needs to be
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> there is no redeeming value to ms outlook other than 'it's what everyone else uses'
[17:25] <daftykins> hehe
[17:25] <daftykins> yeah, people that use it are married to it
[17:26] <daftykins> i tried to save some people some money once, by suggesting they try google apps' web interface first
[17:26] <daftykins> nope, they like having the same familiar UI - so hundreds of pounds it was
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> and then they complain when you can't get the same version next upgrade
[17:27] <daftykins> aaaaah, Blade Runner soundtrack
[17:27] <daftykins> so good
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> can't go wrong with vangelis
[17:27] <daftykins> indeed :D
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> all those spaghetti westerns can't be wrong :-)
[17:28] <diddledan> vangelis is teh bomb
[17:28] <daftykins> \o/
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> though i do like penguin cafe orchestra too
[17:28] <diddledan> the score for blade runner still haunts me
[17:28] <daftykins> i got given a lot of that once
[17:28] <daftykins> diddledan: how-so?
[17:28] <diddledan> in a good way
[17:29] <daftykins> it's very touching to me
[17:29] <daftykins> Rachel's Song and Love Theme, ooh my
[17:29] <diddledan> it's very atmospheric and immersive
[17:29] <daftykins> ja :D
[17:29] <daftykins> i wonder if i should try headphones for a change
[17:29] <diddledan> I've not actually tried listening to it on headphones
[17:29] <diddledan> that could be even more awesomer
[17:30] <daftykins> ooh mine are right beside me
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> see the watercolour animation of blade runner someone started?
[17:30] <daftykins> no sir?
[17:30] <awilkins> Outlook now available on Android
[17:30] <awilkins> Classic MS chess move
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLwmlMezS3U blade runner.  looks wonderful
[17:30] <awilkins> Getting ansty because things are integrating with Exchange too well
[17:31] <awilkins> Now they can break the Exchange protocols and when people go "You broke my client!" they can just say "But you can get Outlook on Android!!!"
[17:32] <daftykins> here's hoping they don't :(
[17:32] <davmor2> awilkins: no I think it is more if you can't beat them join them, and most companies still use outlook so being able to use it on your android phone is important
[17:32] <daftykins> i know the corporate email client on Samsung android handsets at least is an app
[17:32] <zmoylan-pi> moving to a rental model.  ick
[17:32] <awilkins> davmor2, Yeah, but my Android phone already integrates nicely with Exchange out of the box
[17:33] <awilkins> It even imposes all those important features like corporate ICT being able to nuke my phone from orbit
[17:33] <daftykins> ^ i do enjoy that :D
[17:33] <davmor2> awilkins: but it isn't outlook, outlook is more about calendaring than email
[17:33] <daftykins> come to think of it, i think i have some old handsets to clear out for someone soon
[17:33] <awilkins> The calendar works!
[17:34] <awilkins> ALso works on the EWS plugin for Thunderbird / Lightning
[17:34] <awilkins> But... if you understand the protocols, you might implement a replacement server!
[17:34] <awilkins> So they have to start changing them
[17:35] <awilkins> Before someone realises that the big expense of running Outlook is the server CALs
[17:35] <awilkins> And goes "by cracky, these chaps really understand the protocols, perhaps we can get them to make an Exchange-compatible server that doesn't cost us $N a user a year!"
[17:37] <awilkins> Having Outlook on more platforms softens the blow of changing those protocols
[17:37] <awilkins> Because they can just go "Use Outlook, we don't recommend those filthy hippy products"
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> i have never seen outlook exchange run without giving grief randomly and regularly
[17:38] <diddledan> it also provides a platform for microsoft to do an open source-style attack - i.e. get people used to MS and encourage them to find out more
[17:38] <daftykins> i have hosted Exchange setups for some, tends to work great :D
[17:39] <awilkins> I hear the sysadmin is rather arcane
[17:39] <daftykins> i've got some with simplymailsolutions.com based in the UK
[17:39] <awilkins> But you always hear the bad stuff
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> if you like job security and need to poke it with stick once a week :-)
[17:39] <daftykins> hehe
[17:39] <awilkins> You don't hear about EXIM being a total PITA much, do you
[17:39] <daftykins> there are users at the end of it, you are always needed ;)
[17:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, I have been working hard at making our systems resiliant to the point of non-interferance which means I've basically made myself redundant :-p
[17:40] <davmor2> awilkins: also microsoft is learning what it is like to not be number 1, so if it gets it's products on other platforms it is likely to help them rather than hinder them as they used to think, I think it is the giant trying to play catch up.
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> we replaced a mdaemon with exchange and moved from once year having to type in credit card number to get one year more updates to having to reboot the exchange once a week as it was so terrible
[17:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, I'm sure things have improved since then. I hope.
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not sure they did
[17:42] <diddledan> I wonder if office 365 runs a stock exchange system or if it's a completely new piece of software that just happens to use the same protocols?
[17:42] <awilkins> diddledan, Doubt it's stock exchange
[17:42] <diddledan> awilkins, yeah, that's my thinking too
[17:42] <awilkins> The NHS email system runs on stock exchange and we have silly low quotas
[17:43] <awilkins> *had
[17:43] <awilkins> No longer work for them
[17:43] <awilkins> It was Samsung Contact but they changed
[17:43] <awilkins> Now they are tendering for a new one
[17:43] <daftykins> heh a client was doing some board work for a Guernsey gov. department, they had a 100MB quota
[17:43] <daftykins> on her mailbox
[17:43] <awilkins> Yeah
[17:43] <diddledan> eep
[17:43] <diddledan> that's teeny
[17:43] <daftykins> i called in to laugh at it, since they were dealing with attachments a lot
[17:43] <awilkins> I think we had some users with 80MB quotas
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> well once you completely ban attachments... :-)
[17:44] <daftykins> got it all fixed up ready for her to resign and have to give back the supplied iPad >_<
[17:44] <awilkins> Mine was 400MB
[17:44] <awilkins> Thunderbird has that thing where it offers to shove attachments into a file management system
[17:44] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: hehe, if only - i'm remoted into a guys desktop atm looking at emails with 7 attachments, each individually zipped
[17:44] <awilkins> Like it will upload it to Dropbox and mail links
[17:45] <daftykins> interesting 0o
[17:45] <awilkins> You can plug in different things to it
[17:45] <daftykins> have you guys notice that nobody seems to know how to use Dropbox? i keep finding people have signed up because someone's linked them to a file and made out like you have to sign up to get it
[17:45] <daftykins> it's either that or they're sneakily looking for free storage credit via referrals
[17:45] <awilkins> So you could easily make one for your corporate CMS and do that
[17:46] <awilkins> How hard is it to use Dropbox?!?!?
[17:46] <awilkins> "Install it. Put files here. Files here will appear on other machines. Also, they're backed up for at least 30 days."
[17:47] <awilkins> The MS equivalents suck so hard
[17:47] <awilkins> We've apparently been waiting 2 years for people to sort out SharePoint shared folders for us all
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> people don't know about it, or are using google drive or one drive and don't want a new account
[17:47] <awilkins> *facepalm*
[17:47] <daftykins> they seem to link people to a page to sign up to dropbox, instead of to the actual file
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> sharepoint... ::me casts ward evil::
[17:47] <awilkins> I've got a Copy.com account
[17:47] <awilkins> Not sorted it out properly yet
[17:47] <awilkins> But I got one so Mum would get more free storage
[17:47] <awilkins> Her backups go to Copy.com
[17:48] <awilkins> Tried to make a loop filesystem for it so they wouldn't exceed the quota but Duplicity has a mental if you try and back up to a drive that's as small as 20GB for some reason
[22:40] <mapito> this duolingo app for ios/droid is cool
[22:40]  * daftykins ponders a quick pub trip
[22:44] <mapito> ;]
[22:44] <mapito> close at 12?
[22:45] <daftykins> not even sure :S
[22:45] <daftykins> might be last orders in 15
[23:01] <daftykins> seems to be 11:45pm
[23:20] <mapito> did you go daftykins ?
[23:20] <mapito> if he replies guess not
[23:30] <mapito> guess he did
[23:30] <mapito> ;]
[23:33] <daftykins> :D
[23:33] <daftykins> and back
[23:33] <daftykins> just had the one
[23:34] <mapito> done my spanish for today
[23:34] <mapito> using it on my ipad air at home and on my phone when i do cardio on the nbike at gym
[23:35] <daftykins> neat :D
[23:36] <daftykins> learning some is it?
[23:36] <mapito> si
[23:36] <mapito> La gatos bebes la aqua
[23:36] <mapito> :D
[23:36] <mapito> the cats drink the water
[23:36] <mapito> heh
[23:37] <mapito> Hablas tu ingles ?:D il just say that to spanish
[23:37] <mapito> speak eng;p
[23:39] <daftykins> ;)
[23:45] <daftykins> it was interesting learning that cerveza is pronounced differently between north and south Spain