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robert_ancellfurkan, short answer - if the patch is good then yes01:32
robert_ancellfurkan, does the upstream nautilus have the issue or is it in the removed code you talked about? If it does affect upstream it's better to get it accepted there first then bring the change back as a patch for Ubuntu.01:33
robert_ancellfurkan, the full policy for getting changes into 14.04 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates. This sort of change would fall under "Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch"01:34
furkanrobert_ancell: great, thanks01:39
furkanrobert_ancell: i found a series of upstream patches in nautilus which remove nautilus' wallpaper-drawing functionality01:39
robert_ancellfurkan, yeah, they don't need that anymore as they use mutter instead I believe01:40
furkanrobert_ancell: basically instead of drawing the wallpaper it draws a transparent background, and gnome-shell is left to draw the background01:40
furkanrobert_ancell: considering that in ubuntu, lightdm draws the wallpaper at the login screen, does that mean that nautilus shouldn't have to draw it anymore in ubuntu either? i was going to try applying the same patches to ubuntu nautilus to see if it works01:41
robert_ancellfurkan, I don't know if compiz does the right thing if we stop nautilus drawing it. That change is likely to be harder to SRU though.01:42
furkanrobert_ancell: what i was going to try doing before i found those upstream patches was to run both gnome-control-center and nautilus in a debugger, and see how they both draw the wallpaper - because gnome-control-center draws it properly but nautilus doesn't (basically when you change the wallpaper in gnome-control-center it's fine, but then when you restart the computer it's incorrect because01:42
furkannautilus redraws it)01:42
furkanthey both use include the same library from libgnome, gnome-bg.h, to update the wallpaper of course01:43
furkanso i thought it might just be the parameters that nautilus passes into the function that might be incorrect01:43
furkanrobert_ancell: oh and i confirmed that nautilus is the issue, because after updating the wallpaper in gnome-control-center, all i have to do to mess it up again is shut down nautilus by calling "nautilus -q" in a terminal, and then relaunching it, and then the background gets redrawn incorrectly01:46
robert_ancellfurkan, nice debugging01:47
mlankhorstmorning!08:04
tmpRAOFdesrt: Would you like to review https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/provide-event-fd/+merge/247794 at your leisure and check that it matches your demanding specifications?08:09
desrttmpRAOF: can you show me a diff of the change?08:31
tmpRAOFdesrt: That MP has the only client API change in it; do you want a diff of all the Mir internal bits?08:32
desrttmpRAOF: this MP has massive diffs touching dozens of files...08:33
desrtincluding the server08:33
tmpRAOFdesrt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10011503/ is the API diff08:35
desrtthanks08:35
desrttmpRAOF: contains a small docs bug, but otherwise looks good08:36
desrtyou mention mir_connection_get_fd() in the docs, but that got renamed08:36
tmpRAOFOh, what's the doc bug?08:36
tmpRAOFHah, yes.08:37
tmpRAOFTa.08:37
desrtalso: it could be made a bit more clear (and i assume it is the case?) that the mir_connected_callback() will be called when i call dispatch?08:37
tmpRAOFYou're correct, yes.08:38
desrtit's also not clear if i own (ie: am responsible for closing) the returned fd08:38
tmpRAOFIndeed.08:39
tmpRAOFFair chop.08:39
tmpRAOFI presume you're happy with ‘you don't own the fd’?08:39
desrtsomething like "the fd is owned by the connect and will be closed by it.  do not close the fd for yourself."08:39
tmpRAOFYeah.08:40
mardyhi! I'm trying unity8 on a Lenovo Ideapad s3-10t, and all I get is a mouse cursor on a black screen08:41
willcookemardy, I think the logs are ~/.cache/upstart/08:42
mardythe unity8-dash.log is filled with "Ubuntu Platform API: unable to load selected module. -- Aborting"08:42
mardywillcooke: ^08:42
desrttmpRAOF: one more concern: when precisely is the fd good for?08:43
desrtuntil _i_ close the connection?08:43
seb128mardy, try installing ubuntu-application-api2-test and see if that fixes it?08:47
tmpRAOFdesrt: Yup. Until the end of mir_connection_release.08:48
desrtcool.  seems like what i expect.08:50
tmpRAOFdesrt: Oh - so, it currently interacts badly with mir_*_sync calls (ie: they don't do their own dispatch, so if you're single-threaded and you call *_sync you'll deadlock). How much do you care about that?08:53
seb128good morning desktopers btw08:55
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desrttmpRAOF: hmm.  we current create_surface_sync08:57
desrtalso swap_buffers_sync, release_sync, etc. etc.08:58
desrtso yes.  probably will be a problem :)08:58
tmpRAOFdesrt: Ok. So I'll do the bit whereby the _sync calls will automatically dispatch() until the call returns.08:59
desrt....08:59
desrtplease don't do that08:59
desrtthat's very scary08:59
desrtthis is more or less mainloop recursion and it will cause _very_ strange problems08:59
seb128larsu, Laney, Trevinho, so, after the recent vivid update, bamf doesn't match my nautilus to its icon anymore but add a "?" to the panel/alt-tab instead09:00
desrtlike if i get an event handler being called nested from within the code that someone called gtk_window_show() or something09:00
desrtthis is madness09:00
Trevinhoseb128: I think larsu fixed it as well, there's just a little change to do09:00
tmpRAOFYeah, that was what I was afraid of.09:00
seb128Trevinho, when is the fix landing? ;-)09:01
larsuTrevinho: I did?09:01
Trevinholarsu: wasn't https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/bamf/fixup-gtk-application-matching/+merge/247975 ?09:02
tmpRAOFdesrt: So, your constraints are (1) please make *_sync work, and (2) please make sure nothing else gets dispatched while in a *_sync call. This seems sensible, and annoying.09:02
desrttmpRAOF: sounds like you might need to do some queue reordering?09:03
larsuTrevinho: might be - I thought that was unrelated...09:03
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tmpRAOFdesrt: Posssssibly. Certainly if you mix async and sync calls we'll need to defer any outstanding callbacks from async calls.09:04
desrttmpRAOF: yes.  please.09:05
darkxsthey seb128, totem with menu patch is on gnome3 ppa, can you try out it09:06
darkxsthttps://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3/+build/677112809:07
seb128darkxst, hey, good09:15
seb128darkxst, I didn't look into details but Laney mentionned that the new version needs grilo?09:16
seb128mardy, got it to work?09:16
darkxstseb128, I patched that already it just needs the MIR 139473109:17
darkxstbug 1394731 which is approved pending split09:17
ubot5bug 1394731 in grilo-plugins (Ubuntu) "[MIR] grilo-plugins" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139473109:17
seb128great09:18
darkxstalso bug 141661709:18
ubot5bug 1416617 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appstream-glib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141661709:18
mardyseb128: sorry, was in a meeting. No, but now the error message is different ("connection to Mir server failed..."), I'll check if unity8 is running09:21
mardyseb128: so, there is no unity8 running (only unity-system-compositor), and no fresh unity8 logs09:22
darkxstseb128, atleast I made tracker support optional, it does require various other grilo-plugins as mentioned in the MIR09:23
mardySaviq: Hi! I'm trying the unity8 session on the Ideapad s3-10t, but unity8 is not running09:43
mardySaviq: and I don't see any logs in ~/.cache/upstart/ for unity809:43
mardySaviq: any hints on how to debug it?09:44
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seb128mardy, I replied to you earlier09:59
seb128mardy, did you try what I suggested?09:59
mardyseb128: yep: now the error message is different ("connection to Mir server failed...")10:03
* seb128 looks at Laney10:11
seb128notify-osd-icons in a silo man!10:11
pittihey seb128, ça va ?10:14
seb128pitti, salut, oui et toi ?10:15
pittiseb128: je vais bien, merci ! alors je suis un peu fatigué10:16
seb128pitti, tu es rentré chez toi ?10:16
pittiseb128: oui, la dernière nuit10:17
pittij'ai prendu le train à 18:25 de Bruxelles10:17
pittiseb128: votre sprint commence maintenant, no ?10:23
seb128pitti, oui, ce matin10:23
pittiseb128: SVP, dis des salutations à didrocks, je ne poudrais pas dire au revoir hier10:27
pittididrocks: oh, tu es ici -- ça va ?10:27
seb128pitti, done10:29
didrockspitti: pas de problème! oui, on ne s'est pas croisé :)10:29
didrocksbien rentré apparemment ? :)10:30
seb128brb10:30
pittididrocks: oui, tout va bien :)10:37
Laneyseb128: adding https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/telephony-service/humanity-not-gnome/+merge/248128 to that landing10:58
Laneyoh10:58
Laneyyou already publisheD!!!!!10:58
Laney!!!!!!!!!!!!!10:58
Laneyhuh11:01
Laneywhy doesn't the assign silo page work?11:01
Laneymaybe because there's a conflict11:02
Laney(can't upload it because of that, oh well)11:02
larsuSaviq: we usually use lower-case for enum values in gsettings. The usage-mode key in com.canonical.Unity8 expects upper case - care for a patch or is this already API?11:06
Saviqlarsu, it's not an API, and not meant to be - it's gonna go away completely11:06
Saviqlarsu, so I wouldn't care much about this11:06
larsuSaviq: gsettings is an API11:06
larsuSaviq: apps crash if a schema is not installed or a key is missing11:06
Saviqlarsu, no apps are supposed to use this11:07
Saviqlarsu, it's a temporary solution11:07
larsuSaviq: I know what you mean. Just saying that you should treat it like a function in a public header file11:07
Saviqlarsu, sure, I'll just delete it when we're not using it ;)11:07
seb128Laney, yeah, I didn't include because that component is already in a silo11:08
Laneyoh well11:08
didrockspitti: did you see bug #1417059? Do you think there is any reason that the default (after bootchart fork) is /sbin/init instead of systemd real path?11:20
ubot5bug 1417059 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd-bootchart runs /sbin/init rather than systemd init" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141705911:20
didrockspitti: I don't think you can run systemd-bootchart without systemd, no journal, no /run/log…11:20
didrocksand no timestamp11:20
pittididrocks: I just saw the bug mail indeed (set the bug to triaged/low)11:21
didrockspitti: I guess I'll just cook an upstream patch changing the #define to /lib or /usr/lib… ?11:21
pittididrocks: correct; I guess it should just run lib/systemd/init (well, the rootlibdir you actually configured of course)11:22
didrocksyep11:22
didrocksok, will do that after lunch11:22
pittididrocks: might be a nice exercise for seb128 :)11:22
didrocksrun seb128, run! :)11:22
seb128lol11:22
seb128I'm happy to do it11:22
pittiseb128: btw, you can get a really crappy, but at least somewhat useful bootchart with "systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/boot.svg11:23
pittiit's mostly useless for actually fixing things, but it's what you can get without actually polling and changing the boot11:23
seb128pitti, I did a bootchart by changing /sbin/init by hand11:25
pittiah, or that11:25
pittiseb128: apt install systemd-sysv :)11:25
seb128yeah, I should do that11:25
pittiseb128: aside from NFS, juju, and maas everything ought to work now11:25
pittilarsu: I fixed the failed ifup@ stuff, BTW (in -7ubuntu1)11:26
seb128pitti, chart on my slow inspiron laptop is http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart-20150202-1145.svg11:26
seb128it's far from being maxed out on cpu or io11:27
seb128dunno why11:27
didrockspitti: \o/ one more successful systemctl status after upgrade then!11:27
seb128like there is a 1.6s gap before mount11:27
larsupitti: cool, thanks!11:30
pittiseb128: do you have a "sudo journalctl -b -o short-monotonic"? I wonder what's going on at that time11:31
* pitti hasn't looked at bootcharts at all so far11:31
seb128pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10014043/11:34
pitti[    4.633670] ubuntu-Inspiron-3138 systemd[1]: Inserted module 'autofs4'11:37
pitti[    7.088656] ubuntu-Inspiron-3138 systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit powerd.service, ignoring: Unit lxc-android-config.service failed to load: No such file or directory.11:37
didrockspitti: yeah, we are discussing this11:37
pittihm, nothing happens in between there; that might need another boot with "debug"?11:37
pitti(powerd.service ought to fail quickly)11:37
seb128desrt, food time11:37
seb128pitti, need to go for lunch, bbiab11:38
didrockspitti: yeah, just the dep isn't there, the lookup should be quick11:38
seb128$$12:16
seb128ups12:16
pitti€€!12:17
seb128lol12:17
seb128put my other laptop on the keyboard of this one :-)12:17
pittihaha; no cat this time?12:17
seb128not this time :-)12:17
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seb128didrocks, pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10014758/ log in debug12:29
seb128[    6.709249] ubuntu-Inspiron-3138 systemd[1]: Failed to load configuration for clamav-daemon.service: No such file or directory12:30
seb128[    6.709271] ubuntu-Inspiron-3138 systemd[1]: Failed to load configuration for mysql.service: No such file or directory12:30
seb128[    6.709292] ubuntu-Inspiron-3138 systemd[1]: Failed to load configuration for postgresql.service: No such file or directory12:30
seb128wth with those?12:30
seb128I never installed those things on my system12:30
seb128oh, I guess that's from /etc/init.d/exim412:31
seb128Should-Start lists those12:31
pittiyeah, so that's just cosmetical12:33
seb128well, that laptop has a slow rational disk12:37
seb128so maybe it's just spending time trying to poke for those missing services?12:37
pittiit seems to need 0.6 alone to read sysvinit rc links in /etc..12:38
pittiseb128: (sorry, slow, investigating something else ATM in #u-touch)12:38
seb128pitti, no worry, I'm looking at different issues as well12:39
seb128also the bootchart is very low priority12:39
xnoxseb128: que re:bootchart?12:44
seb128xnox, ?12:44
xnoxseb128: imho we should unblacklist sync of bootchart2, and resolve the pygui binary name conflict in bootchart12:44
xnoxseb128: "also the bootchart is very low priority"12:45
seb128xnox, well, I mean optimizing boot under systemd12:45
seb128first get it to work12:45
seb128then optimize12:45
pittibug 135358712:45
ubot5bug 1353587 in bootchart (Ubuntu) "superseded by systemd-bootchart, remove after switching to systemd" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135358712:45
pittixnox: ^12:45
xnoxseb128: and hasn't the bootchart been merged into systemd?12:45
seb128xnox, yeah, I used systemd-bootchart12:45
pittiI think he meant "boot speed", not necessaril "get the bootchart to work" -- that's easy :)12:45
seb128xnox, I just have a gap in my boot which I was trying to figure out12:46
xnoxoh, ok.12:46
xnoxpitti: why remove bootchart (1 / original)? it's the one that works with upstart, and we will have machines running upstart in 16.04, at least those that upgrade from 14.0412:47
xnoxpitti: we can only, realistically remove bootchart in 16.1012:47
pittixnox: well, "eventually"12:47
didrockseventually \o/12:48
pittixnox: we can retitle to s/after switching to systemd/after removing upstart/?12:48
xnoxpitti: i made it so12:48
Laneycd ubuntulog12:48
Laneyumm12:49
pittino such file or directory12:49
Laneyls ...12:49
LaneyCTRL D CTRL D12:49
* Laney runs12:49
xnoxls: cannot access ...: No such file or directory12:49
ogra_"..." no such directory12:49
ogra_bah12:49
ogra_i'm to slo12:49
ogra_w12:49
Laneyecho cake > ogra12:50
ogra_omnomnom12:50
* xnox was expecting unknown IOCTL or some such =)12:50
Laneyogra < xnox12:52
ogra_uuuh !12:52
xnoxxnox12:52
xnoxPermission denied12:53
xnox=)12:53
ogra_:)12:53
Laneysudo!12:53
ogra_E: sorry, can not write to ROM12:53
xnoxapparmor deny12:54
* pitti shakes his head and does "cd /kitchen; more lunch" instead12:54
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willcookebregma, coming to talk to you about focus stealing13:20
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pittierr, ubuntu-themes in the train? is that even being used in the train?14:03
pittierr, on touch?14:03
pittiwe need to drop libmagickcore5-extra build dep14:03
Laneytrain isn't only touch things14:03
seb128pitti, yes it is on touch, ubuntu-mobile-icons is built from there14:07
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smallfoot-Why is gnome-screensaver (3.6.1) and gnome-system-monitor (3.4.2) and gnome-system-log (3.9.90) so old? Why not 3.14?15:06
desrtsmallfoot-: gnome-screensaver is no longer maintained upstream15:08
pittithere is no newer gnome-screensaver15:08
desrthi pitti :)15:08
desrtmissing you in .be15:08
smallfoot-ah, I see, that explains it15:08
pittihey desrt, how are you?15:08
desrtpitti: good.  having a decent sprint so far15:08
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/3.14.1-115:08
desrtexcept that i'm sick :(15:09
smallfoot-How about gnome-system-monitor and gnome-system-log tho?15:09
seb128g-s-m is updated in vivid ^15:09
pittismallfoot-: new system-monitor is in -proposed, but regresses; ses bug 126160815:09
ubot5bug 1261608 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "New version uses CSD and doesn't work well under Unity" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126160815:09
smallfoot-g-s-m is 3.9.90 not 3.14 in vivid15:09
smallfoot-pitti, ah thanks15:09
pittig-s-log> no idea15:09
smallfoot-I see15:09
seb128gnome-system-log has no newer upstream15:10
seb128http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-system-log/15:10
smallfoot-really nice to see vivid has new gnome-terminal which was terribly old in utopic15:10
smallfoot-It would be nice if the xwayland package were updated, because it contains a bug15:11
willcookebregma, can you point me to that tool for changing the focus stealing setting, and roughly where that setting is located in the tool?  I'm going to try changing it on my desktop and see what breaks15:13
bregmawillcooke, CCSM, general settings15:14
willcookebregma, thx15:15
smallfoot-Please update Chrome (from 39 to 40) and Firefox (from 34 to 35) in Vivid15:15
ogra_smallfoot-, no need to request that, work on these packages usually starts immediately when there is a new upstream15:20
* pitti hugs seb128, our latest systemd hacker :)15:21
seb128smallfoot-, by "upgrade" you mean "downgrade"?15:22
smallfoot-ogra_, oh, upstream in debian?15:22
seb128smallfoot-, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/36.0~b2+build1-0ubuntu115:22
seb128smallfoot-, can you check launchpad before asking for things that already happened?15:22
ogra_smallfoot-, these packages dont come from debian in ubuntu i think15:22
smallfoot-seb128, in repository, its only 3415:22
seb128smallfoot-, I just gave you the url of the current version15:22
seb128it's in the repository15:23
ricotzseb128, 36 is stuck in proposed15:23
seb128ricotz, I know, proposed is part of the archive technically :-)15:23
ricotzwhich is not suppose to be used ;)15:23
seb128yeah15:23
seb128still those questions are not useful15:23
seb128when something is proposed it's clearly being worked on15:24
smallfoot-I see15:24
ricotzyeah i know15:24
smallfoot-proposed is 36b2, but latest is 36b515:24
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seb128that's going nowhere15:24
seb128work is ongoing on those updates, please be patient15:24
seb128or help resolving issues by sending patches :-)15:24
ogra_+115:24
ricotzsmallfoot-, simply look for an ppa if you need it15:24
smallfoot-I don't *need* it15:25
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ogra_you could help make it build on arm64, ppc and ppc64el ... that would speed it up ;)15:25
ricotzsmallfoot-, ok, then you need to wait for the arch-specific build-failures to be resolved15:25
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smallfoot-I see15:25
ricotzogra_, or cheat like done with libreoffice ;)15:26
smallfoot-Will vivid have LibreOffice 4.4?15:26
ricotzit already has15:26
smallfoot-oh, it already has15:26
smallfoot-nice15:26
ogra_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice FYI15:27
ogra_(works for every ubuntu source package ... )15:27
smallfoot-and I saw PHP 5.6 in -proposed..... vivid is looking to be a great release15:27
smallfoot-It would be nice if the xwayland package were updated, because it contains a bug15:27
didrockssmallfoot-: I guess you need to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Maintaining_Ubuntu :)15:29
* seb128 hugs pitti back, thanks for the review15:33
pittiseb128: my pleasure :)15:33
seb128kenvandine, hey, did you start looking at that clickable header u-s-s issue yet? pmcgowan assigned to you but I was just starting changing it, can do it if you want15:33
kenvandineseb128, i didn't15:34
pmcgowanseb128, sorry you are everywhere15:34
seb128kenvandine, want me to do it?15:34
pmcgowan:)15:34
seb128pmcgowan, lol, I'm not :-)15:34
kenvandineseb128, please do!15:34
kenvandinei need to start working on trust sessions in content-hub15:35
seb128pmcgowan, you did most of the work btw, you could go the extra mile and submit a mp if you want :-)15:36
* seb128 test build that change15:37
pmcgowanseb128, heh, not really set up for that15:37
seb128pmcgowan, k, no worry :-)15:37
willcookedesrt, just going through my notes from earlier - you were flagged to open a bug for a spinny cursor16:32
pittihaha! we stole seb128 for maintaining systemd! http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=6e1bf7ab998e16:45
* pitti hugs seb12816:45
* seb128 hugs pitti16:50
seb128pitti, danke schön :-)16:50
larsuparty at the hackfest16:50
larsuseb128: s/ //16:50
pmcgowanseb128, that same symptom with the listitem is in other places as well, like About page17:16
seb128pmcgowan, where in about?17:19
seb128pmcgowan, the software and legal label don't react to tap here17:20
pmcgowanseb128, all the info fields like phone number17:20
pmcgowanguess they arent headers17:20
seb128pmcgowan, yeah, different issue17:20
pmcgowanbut they react17:20
pmcgowanok17:20
pmcgowanloosk the same17:20
pmcgowanks17:20
seb128it's a toolkit thing17:22
pmcgowanseb128, they are still listitems without that flag set17:23
pmcgowanseb128, thats a qml thing afaik17:23
seb128we shouldn't have to set that flag on every item17:23
seb128there is a uitk bug from mpt about that17:23
seb128pmcgowan, the issue is mentioned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/124266617:32
ubot5Launchpad bug 1242666 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Standalone labels as an element distinct from group headers" [High,Confirmed]17:32
seb128pmcgowan, right bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/136230517:32
ubot5Launchpad bug 1362305 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Listitems without actions shouldn't animate on click events" [High,In progress]17:32
pmcgowanseb128, just wondering if we inherit the default from qt, but either way we can do what we need17:34
seb128pmcgowan, yeah, it just doesn't make sense to set that default on every listitem, the widget should just do it17:35
Noskcaj_Laney: Any reason you didn't just use my branch for gnome-system-monitor22:29
Noskcaj_?22:29
Noskcaj_I'd not proposed the merge because there was an existing theme issue at the time22:31
LaneyNoskcaj_: no sorry, I just didn't notice it22:33
Noskcaj_fair enough22:33
Noskcaj_While you're here, and progress on my MOTU application?22:33
Laneyno further information22:33
LaneyIf I were you I'd try pinging the people who haven't voted directly22:33
Laneyin public probably ;-)22:34
Noskcaj_ok22:34
* Laney goes to bed, night!22:34
Noskcaj_bye22:34
mlankhorstWell I managed to get sick on my way back, or when I got back..22:46

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