| diddledan | daftykins, I agree, I'm not dead yet so they're ok | 00:33 |
|---|---|---|
| diddledan | cremepocalypse averted | 00:34 |
| diddledan | or should that be eggmageddon? | 00:34 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:35 |
| daftykins | i ought to introduce you to a pun master from another chan | 00:35 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| zmoylan-pi | pi 2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/ | 03:08 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: you'll have to upgrade | 03:43 |
| daftykins | ;D | 03:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | not an upgrade, more start a herd | 03:45 |
| daftykins | :> | 03:51 |
| daftykins | no real talk of graphics improvement 0o | 03:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | no problem for me on that account | 03:53 |
| mapps | hi all | 04:17 |
| mapps | gonna try and quit smoking and drinking this month | 04:17 |
| mapps | :D | 04:17 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 04:19 |
| daftykins | gl! | 04:19 |
| mapps | unlikely il manage;p | 04:19 |
| mapps | been doing it for too long | 04:20 |
| daftykins | well you probably can't go cold turkey on either | 04:20 |
| mapps | my dad said he hates me coming home as i do the same there | 04:20 |
| mapps | yea | 04:20 |
| mapps | im the embarassment of the street :) | 04:21 |
| mapps | million pound houses and then idiot mapps that cant stop drinking! | 04:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | won't doing both at same time be extra hard? | 04:22 |
| mapps | yea | 04:22 |
| daftykins | mapps: you from a fancy area 0o | 04:22 |
| mapps | hence il proably fail | 04:22 |
| mapps | daftykins Knighstbridge | 04:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | could try switching to e-cigarette. seems to work for quite a few | 04:23 |
| mapps | sister lives in Surrey | 04:23 |
| daftykins | sorry, don't really know England to know the name | 04:23 |
| mapps | hm | 04:23 |
| mapps | knightsbridge is ctl london | 04:23 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: yeah i think i mentioned that once, didn't think mapps was a fan | 04:23 |
| mapps | surrey south east | 04:23 |
| mapps | :) | 04:23 |
| daftykins | ah right | 04:23 |
| daftykins | what does a mill buy? :) | 04:23 |
| daftykins | boss had a flat in Chelsea at one point | 04:23 |
| mapps | a one bed flat | 04:23 |
| mapps | lol | 04:23 |
| daftykins | O_O | 04:23 |
| daftykins | figures :> | 04:24 |
| mapps | dad lived there for years | 04:24 |
| mapps | he's 66 remember | 04:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | but it had enough room to swing a cat hopefully | 04:24 |
| mapps | he lives in a hm 3 bed place | 04:24 |
| mapps | 3 bed is stretching it;p | 04:24 |
| mapps | my house in stoke is bigger than my dads place | 04:28 |
| mapps | but because of postcodes its worth like 1/20:) | 04:28 |
| daftykins | o0 | 04:50 |
| daftykins | bed for me | 04:50 |
| daftykins | nn gents \o have a good week | 04:50 |
| mapps | nn | 04:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | cya o/ | 04:51 |
| diddledan | the raspi2 has an armv7 cortex a7 core - does that mean it'll run ubuntu OTB? | 07:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | time will tell, a lot of questions will be asked AND answered today | 07:20 |
| diddledan | also daftykins appears correct in that they don't actually say what the new chip has in terms of gfx - they say extensively what the old one had | 07:22 |
| mapps | hm | 07:23 |
| diddledan | from the article: The BCM2835, as used in previous Pis, is a Broadcom GPU – the VideoCore IV – with a single 700MHz 32-bit ARM1176JZF-S application core glued in to run software. | 07:23 |
| diddledan | I would hope that either the chip has the same api as the previous or that broadcom also do a spec dump for opensource driver programmers to be able to create free/libre drivers for it like they're working on for the original | 07:24 |
| ali1234 | officially the raspberry pi only has opengl | 07:41 |
| diddledan | ali1234, you still need to marshall opengl into the registers tho | 07:42 |
| ali1234 | it is highly likely the new chip is exactly the same as the old one, but with 4 arm cores instead of 1 | 07:42 |
| diddledan | ali1234, and that's what the driver is for | 07:42 |
| ali1234 | the driver is nearly completely undocumented | 07:43 |
| ali1234 | there is a source code dump from another videocore chip, but not the one used in the pi | 07:43 |
| diddledan | hence why people are working on it | 07:43 |
| ali1234 | it's similar enough that some people kind of got it working | 07:43 |
| ali1234 | anyway, given they only bumped one digit, i can pretty much guarantee this is what they've done | 07:44 |
| diddledan | they say in the article that the new soc is "very very similar" so I'm guessing the only change is going from single core to quad core arm and the doubling of the PoP ram | 07:45 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 07:45 |
| ali1234 | and likely doubling the power consumption as well | 07:45 |
| ali1234 | most people try to use the raspberry pi as a small computer or media player | 07:46 |
| ali1234 | it's really not powerful enough for that | 07:46 |
| ali1234 | so this will help them | 07:47 |
| ali1234 | for embedded, it will just burn even more power | 07:47 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | they do say "armv7 and cortex-a7" tho, which would suggest the arm has a different arch to the previous chip | 07:49 |
| diddledan | obv backwards compatible but potentially able to run stock ubuntu arm | 07:49 |
| ali1234 | yes it is | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | but again, that is only really interesting to people who want to try to use it as a computer | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | and it still isn't really powerful enough for that | 07:50 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:11 |
| diddledan | moo | 08:21 |
| MooDoo | anyone know of anyone in nottingham looking for an IT position? | 08:37 |
| MooDoo | well not necassarily just nottingham | 08:37 |
| * diddledan heads off to find chocolate before starting to work. | 08:48 | |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:10 |
| MartijnV1S | hi brobostigon | 09:12 |
| === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS | ||
| brobostigon | hi MartijnVdS | 09:14 |
| bashrc | morning | 09:18 |
| brobostigon | morning bashrc | 09:19 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:21 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | how's the lungs czajkowski? | 09:27 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: hanging in | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | getting better thanks | 09:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | watch fosdem on streaming? | 09:28 |
| diddledan | allo everyone who said morning while i wasn't watching :-p | 09:28 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 09:28 |
| knightwise | Fosdem was great .. but snowy | 09:29 |
| knightwise | too bad I didn't get a chance to meet Popey or any of the other ubuntu-uk rockstars :( | 09:29 |
| knightwise | Did go to the HPR BOF Meetup | 09:29 |
| diddledan | so raspi say that windows10 will run on the 2B | 09:31 |
| diddledan | so do ms: http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support | 09:32 |
| MartijnVdS | is it April yet? | 09:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | for amusing values of /run/ :-) | 09:33 |
| awilkins | Windows 10 for RaspPi2 for FREE | 09:34 |
| awilkins | ROLL YOUR SLEEVES UP GUYS. FIRST ONE'S FREE. | 09:34 |
| diddledan | awilkins, yes | 09:34 |
| awilkins | Wonder if you can get a decent high-res head-up display goggle set | 09:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | when the monthly rental of windows 10 costs more than the computer... | 09:35 |
| awilkins | That plus a Pi2 plus a reasonably large battery and a USB KB/Mouse | 09:35 |
| awilkins | CYBERDECK | 09:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | with a 7" screen | 09:36 |
| knightwise | hmmm | 09:38 |
| knightwise | does anybody know a graphical image writer for Ubuntu ? | 09:38 |
| knightwise | i need to convert my retropi sd card back to a backup .img | 09:39 |
| knightwise | and dd is going to be a pain in the ass since i'm doing this on my chromebook and I have a lot of partitions mounted | 09:39 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Wetlands Day! :-D | 09:47 |
| === JamesTait is now known as Guest34404 | ||
| zmoylan-pi | no no happy raspberry pi 2 day jamestait :-) | 09:47 |
| === Guest34404 is now known as JamesTait | ||
| JamesTait | zmoylan-pi, yes, I got a mail from pimoroni about it this morning. :) | 09:51 |
| JamesTait | Ubuntu on the raspi 2? | 09:51 |
| MartijnVdS | that should work | 09:51 |
| awilkins | Is the new one ARM7? | 09:52 |
| diddledan | awilkins, yes | 09:52 |
| awilkins | Then it should work AFAIK | 09:52 |
| awilkins | Problem with the Pi1 was that it was ARM6 | 09:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | wonder if dropbox will get around to sorting a client for new pi | 09:53 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: oh you must take a trip to slimbridge | 09:53 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: http://www.wwt.org.uk/wetland-centres/slimbridge/ | 09:53 |
| bashrc | I wonder if the new Pi can have ordinary Debian installed | 09:53 |
| JamesTait | awilkins, that was my first thought, too. :) | 09:53 |
| JamesTait | That looks nice, davmor2. | 09:55 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: would be a nice day out for you and your family possibly when it is a bit warmer :) | 09:55 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, added to the school holiday list. ;) | 09:57 |
| awilkins | Already a Snappy Ubuntu Core image for RasPi2 up | 10:02 |
| knightwise | hmmm :) Im happy I waited for this new model | 10:04 |
| cocoa117 | is there a way to create vlan on ethernet card without installing vlan package? | 10:11 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: yes, using the "ip" tool | 10:11 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VLAN#Create_the_VLAN_device shows how | 10:11 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 11:41 |
| MooDoo | morning bigcalm | 11:56 |
| bigcalm | \o | 11:57 |
| ChunkzZ | I probably shouldn't ask here but has anyone quit smoking? | 12:30 |
| bigcalm | p/ | 12:34 |
| bigcalm | o/ even | 12:34 |
| MartijnVdS | q/ | 12:34 |
| ChunkzZ | :/ | 12:34 |
| bigcalm | Quit cold turkey. Ate a lot of chocolate things. Gave my parents hell for 3 weeks | 12:35 |
| MartijnVdS | quit what? | 12:35 |
| bigcalm | <ChunkzZ> I probably shouldn't ask here but has anyone quit smoking? | 12:35 |
| ChunkzZ | bigcalm, I tried that and lasted 3 days lol | 12:35 |
| MartijnVdS | I just never started in the first place | 12:36 |
| bigcalm | I was off work with a back injury for 20 months. Bored and wanted something to do | 12:36 |
| ChunkzZ | you smoke now bigcalm ? | 12:36 |
| bigcalm | Nope, quit 26th August 2002 | 12:47 |
| bigcalm | Oh, I'm late | 12:47 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| knightwise | man its quiet here | 14:14 |
| knightwise | everyone still drunk from Fossdem ? | 14:14 |
| bashrc | I guess | 14:15 |
| knightwise | I went and had a peek yesterday morning | 14:16 |
| s3_virge | hi | 14:18 |
| s3_virge | someone can help me to change resolution on vesa mode? | 14:18 |
| davmor2 | knightwise: still no popey won't be loud again properly till tomorrow | 14:30 |
| === zmoylan-pi is now known as vnc_turps | ||
| knightwise | davmor2: I think you might be right. | 15:06 |
| * knightwise is miffed .. misplaced my 64 gig SD card :( | 15:06 | |
| davmor2 | knightwise: did you misplace it into an envelope and send it to me? | 15:07 |
| awilkins | ctrl-alt-del logout - is there actually a way to abort it | 15:07 |
| awilkins | And un-configure that shortcut too | 15:07 |
| awilkins | I have a small keyboard I use for webconferences because my Model M is too loud... | 15:08 |
| awilkins | But ctrl-alt-del is painfully close to ctrl-alt-left on it | 15:08 |
| awilkins | So when I shift workspaces I sometimes hit logout | 15:08 |
| awilkins | Now I have a "log out" prompt obscuring my view in a webconf | 15:08 |
| awilkins | Is there a way to cancel the logout? Clicking the "close" box on the logout dialog isn't doing anything | 15:09 |
| awilkins | None of the other buttons on the dialog are working either | 15:13 |
| awilkins | Arrgh | 15:13 |
| cocoa117 | how do you create /etc/network/interfaces so ubuntu 14.04 can do vlan on device name p2p1 for example | 15:13 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: just add an interface named "p2p1.2" for VLAN 2 | 15:14 |
| moreati | awilkins: the ESC key? Perhaps twice | 15:14 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: and configure it as normal | 15:15 |
| MartijnVdS | (or .200 for VLAN 200 etc) | 15:15 |
| awilkins | moreati, Naah, that's not doing it | 15:15 |
| awilkins | moreati, not sure if I pushed ctrl-alt-del twice | 15:15 |
| moreati | awilkins: are you sure the dialog has keyboard focus? | 15:16 |
| awilkins | moreati, It doesn't have a window in the task switcher | 15:17 |
| awilkins | Even if I minimise all the other windows and click on it it doesn't respond | 15:17 |
| moreati | awilkins: then I'm out of ideas | 15:17 |
| awilkins | Think it's a Unity overlay anyway | 15:18 |
| awilkins | Has that "polarised filter" effect on the rest of the desktop | 15:18 |
| knightwise | davmor2: I wish i did | 15:19 |
| awilkins | Doing unity --replace a couple of times seems to have rectified matters | 15:20 |
| awilkins | .. and smushed all my windows into one workspace, but that's not so bad | 15:20 |
| awilkins | DIdn't interrupt my webconference | 15:21 |
| cocoa117 | MartijnVdS, Do i need to install vlan package? | 15:21 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: probably | 15:21 |
| * awilkins disables ctrl-alt-del | 15:22 | |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: because that contains the /etc/network/interfaces scripts | 15:22 |
| MartijnVdS | cocoa117: (that handle vlans) | 15:22 |
| cocoa117 | MartijnVdS, that explains it. the ifup keep saying it don't undertand p2p1.2, unknown interface | 15:22 |
| shauno | hm. ordered a new pi. I'm curious :) | 16:26 |
| awilkins | Pi2 is popular | 16:31 |
| awilkins | You order it from RS? | 16:31 |
| shauno | from 'the pi hut' because farnell wasn't responding | 16:32 |
| awilkins | Bums, RS sold out of the attractive black case I had in my shopping basket | 16:33 |
| awilkins | What's the shipping at Pi Hut? | 16:34 |
| shauno | 2 quid to ireland, dunno what it's like within the uk | 16:35 |
| shauno | (I assume less heh) | 16:35 |
| awilkins | RS has a list price of £22.85 for a Pi2 but implies that their free shipping is only available to business customers | 16:35 |
| awilkins | Aha, £4.95 "handling fee" on orders they suspect of being FOR YOUR PERSONAL USE, SCUM# | 16:36 |
| awilkins | HOW DARE YOU BUY STUFF FROM US FOR HOBBY REASONS | 16:37 |
| shauno | haven't bothered with a case though. nothing else on my desk still has it's clothes on, so going out of my way to pretend I'll house it seems silly | 16:37 |
| awilkins | YOUR MONEY IS FULL OF ICKY PERSONAL TAINT | 16:37 |
| awilkins | My other Pi is currently just lying in a tangle of wires next to my router | 16:38 |
| shauno | actually, I like, my monitor still has its pants on. because it's a crt, and they scare me | 16:38 |
| shauno | er, *lie | 16:38 |
| awilkins | Yeah | 16:38 |
| awilkins | CRTs contain the spirit of sudden death | 16:38 |
| awilkins | Poke the wrong bit and feel his wrath. Briefly. Before you die. | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | awilkins: RS will ship to anyone as long as you spend enough | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | (for free) | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | i think the limit is £30 | 16:39 |
| awilkins | ali1234, Yeah, they say free shipping on orders over £20 (for BUSINESS customers) | 16:39 |
| shauno | exactly. and it's a dell, so it does actually want to kill you. means *and* motive. | 16:39 |
| awilkins | Also that they are a business-to-business supplier | 16:40 |
| awilkins | "RS is a business-to-business supplier. The RS website is intended for use by business customers and not by consumers or private individuals. Notwithstanding the foregoing, nothing in these terms and conditions of sale shall affect the statutory rights of a Customer who deals as a consumer. " | 16:40 |
| shauno | this is why I like farnell. they treat my money like money lol | 16:40 |
| awilkins | I remember poring over the RS catalogue when I was a kid and lusting after things, and realizing that they sell certain things WAY above the right price | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | it's not very hard to convince them you are a business | 16:41 |
| shauno | (and their free next-day isn't kidding. they don't act like Ireland's somewhere left of ghana) | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | farnell are better but they don't have as much range | 16:41 |
| shauno | I'll take "less things that they want to sell me" over "more things that they don't want to sell me" | 16:42 |
| vnc_turps | well, depends on the part of ireland your in... | 16:42 |
| awilkins | Farnell : awaiting delivery | 16:43 |
| shauno | I'm in the good part :) where "swimmers attacked by dolphins" is a headline news | 16:43 |
| shauno | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29460544 | 16:45 |
| shauno | none of that scary, miserable news the north puts up with | 16:45 |
| awilkins | RS seem to have underordered the cheaper cases for Pi B+ | 16:46 |
| awilkins | Seems a foolish thing on Pi2 day | 16:46 |
| vnc_turps | won't the 2 fit in b+ case? | 16:48 |
| awilkins | Yes | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | it depends on the case actually | 16:48 |
| awilkins | Same form factor / port placement | 16:48 |
| shauno | I'm just curious to see what it'll do for retropie. it might actually make ps1 playable | 16:48 |
| shauno | although if it can run opencpn without crying, I know a few people who'll be very happy | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | shauno: it might just about do PS1 | 16:49 |
| shauno | I've a few games that are surprisingly close on the stock B. so I'm optimistic | 16:50 |
| awilkins | £2 shipping for Pi Hut / UK | 16:50 |
| awilkins | And much higher prices (20% higher... ohwait, are RS prices exVAT) | 16:52 |
| awilkins | And they have this reallly prrrrty case http://thepihut.com/products/flirc-raspberry-pi-b-case | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | lol | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | that's super ugly | 16:53 |
| awilkins | Aha | 16:53 |
| awilkins | RS prices are exVAT | 16:53 |
| awilkins | so the price is really £27.42 | 16:53 |
| awilkins | Not £22.85 | 16:53 |
| * awilkins shakes fist at their "business to business" face | 16:54 | |
| ali1234 | http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-2-with-pibow | 16:54 |
| vnc_turps | set up a corporation with your cat as ceo before making an order... | 16:54 |
| awilkins | All that paperwork for less than a fiver... think I'll pass :-) | 16:55 |
| awilkins | The PiBow cases are cool | 16:56 |
| awilkins | But a bit hobby | 16:56 |
| vnc_turps | it'll be a tortoiseshell company... :-) | 16:56 |
| awilkins | A Manx corporation might have better tax advantages | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/100/097/business-cat-19.jpg | 16:57 |
| awilkins | http://www.businesscat.happyjar.com/comic/photocopier/ | 17:01 |
| mapps | hi all | 18:08 |
| mapps | icelands last mcdonalds shut down the papers say...cant imagine that ever happening here | 18:09 |
| === vnc_turps is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| zmoylan-pi | all the fat people migrating south could tip the country over... :-P | 18:10 |
| davmor2 | mapps: it's the cost of getting stuff there made them the world most expensive burgers | 18:10 |
| DJones | mapps: We can only hope and pray | 18:23 |
| DJones | The sawmills would go out of business if they shut down | 18:24 |
| popey | \o/ home | 18:25 |
| DJones | popey: I'll assume that was an appropiate answer in -irc | 18:25 |
| DJones | Welcome back btw | 18:26 |
| popey | ta | 18:26 |
| popey | \o/ raspberry pi 2 ordered | 18:33 |
| Azelphur | Anyone handy with debugging optimus? getting primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: Could not load GPU driver | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | well this is annoying | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | printer prints the first 100 pages of my document | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | then overheats and starts printing one page every 5 minutes | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | and i have another 100 pages to print | 19:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: you snappy whore you ;) | 19:15 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: that's what a library is for :) | 19:15 |
| popey | davmor2: wat | 19:15 |
| davmor2 | popey: you only want to run snappy on your pi2 | 19:16 |
| popey | thats one thing i wanna do | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | if you put snappy on pi2, can you turn it into a "normal" apt-get system, like you can on the phone? | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | someone asked me this today, and i didn't know the answer | 19:16 |
| popey | no | 19:16 |
| popey | i dont think snappy builds are the same as the phone builds | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | ... why not? | 19:17 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: no snappy use snaps | 19:17 |
| popey | i dont think it has debs | 19:17 |
| popey | at all | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | well, that's stupid | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | why duplicate all that work? | 19:17 |
| popey | to be fair i haven't ripped apart a snappy image yet | 19:18 |
| popey | so i may be wrong | 19:18 |
| popey | you'd have to ask in #snappy I think :) | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | i sent em to #ubuntu-arm | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | not sure if that's still a thing or not | 19:19 |
| popey | oh, I'm wrong, i see /var/lib/dpkg inside it. | 19:19 |
| popey | just double clicked the ubuntu-core.img and it mounted in nautilus | 19:19 |
| davmor2 | popey, ali1234: snaps and clicks use deb format for installs but there is no apt-get on snappy and I don't think there is a snappy install apt-get either. So dpkg might work but you would have to hack it to make the system read write then install apt-get then install the package you wanted. However you could just use ubuntu-core rather than snappy | 19:22 |
| davmor2 | that would then give you a deb system I believe | 19:22 |
| === MooDoo is now known as Guest58501 | ||
| ali1234 | davmor2: the question is specifically in reference to the pi2 for which there is only a snappy image currently, afaik | 19:28 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: indeed, and snappy has no apt-get and the system is read only. So you can only install into containers effectively. | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | well the issue is that nearly everyone who uses a raspberry pi is trying to use it as a cheap ass computer | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | they are all asking "wtf is snappy, i just want apt-get" | 19:30 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: best place to discuss it is #snappy | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | the perception seems to be that snappy is like raspbian with a proprietary app store and no ability to install debs, and no reason to exist | 19:32 |
| shauno | I don't think it's actually a Snappy issue. it's more that it's the only ubuntu download offered on rpi's site, and with no explanation that 'snappy' in 'snappy ubuntu core' isn't just an adjective | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | right | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | today in #raspberrypi i saw more hate for canonical than microsoft | 19:33 |
| shauno | that'll likely change once msft actually delivers something ;) | 19:34 |
| shauno | msft are describing their release as "Windows Developer Program for IoT". which sounds like it's geared to present exactly the same "expected ubuntu, got snappy" issue | 19:35 |
| shauno | (where they're treating the pi as a target to deploy to, not a desktop to run on) | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | to be fair, it's not their fault that people are using the thing wrong | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | the pi 2 will make a rubbish desktop just like the old one did | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | but that's all anyone does with it because ... derp | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | the funny thing is that snappy would be perfect for my application, but my application uses the A+ because it's on batteries, so i can't use snappy | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | switching to the pi 2 would quarter my battery life | 19:41 |
| shauno | I'm curious to see how that goes too. I've read that the Pi2 uses 'more', but no numbers | 19:43 |
| directhex | http://blog.barisione.org/2015-02/webkit-rpi2/ | 19:52 |
| davmor2 | night all | 20:18 |
| popey | directhex: is there some public steam info thing which shows which games have clocked up more hours, and who clocked up the most? | 20:31 |
| directhex | i don't think so. not cumulatively. someone did statistical sampling of user profiles | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | popey: that website that tells you how long it will take to finish all your games | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | it uses the average time people played each game | 20:40 |
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| popey | ah | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | so if you go to the data source and then also get sales numbers and then multiply | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | that should give you a ballpark? | 20:40 |
| popey | never ceases to amaze me what people will back https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/217809965/sleev-protect-your-wires-from-damage | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | heat shrink tubing? | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | lolololololol | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | LOL | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | hahaha | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | why didn't i think of this | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | $5 for 10cm of heat shrink tubing | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | which costs $1 per m | 21:46 |
| * zmoylan-pi has urge to do a kickstarter for red bubblewrap with tension sheet written on it... :-D | 22:25 | |
| shauno | hm, see, that's what I suspected - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8983801 "Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. | 22:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | yeah, couldn't see a pi 2 doing anything than barely displaying desktop and running full pelt just to do that | 23:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | windows is a resource hog, always has been | 23:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | it'd be interesting if you could make the one app deployed chrome or some other extension capable browser | 23:09 |
| gioans | #ubuntu-uk | 23:45 |
| gioans | hello | 23:45 |
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