/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/02/#ubuntu-za.txt

captineinetpro: missed what was going on.  Are we using Trello for ubuntu-za mini projects?02:42
bduk1More almal04:27
Kilosmorning inetpro  and others06:19
Kilosty inetpro  06:20
Kiloshi circ-user-VTD8b  welcome to ubuntu-za06:46
circ-user-VTD8bCan anyone tell me if it's an option to create a cloud using Ubuntu desktop 14.04?06:47
circ-user-VTD8bHi Kilos06:47
Kilosyou'll have to hang for an answer, everyone seems very busy this morning06:47
Kilosi dont know anything about clouds apart from them brining rain sometimes. do you want to create an own cloud on your desktop?06:50
circ-user-VTD8bKilos: I would like to play with it a bit, maybe I can make it rain :)06:54
Kiloshahaha that would be cool06:55
circ-user-VTD8bYeah I also thought so06:55
Kiloslets see what i can find till someone brainy gets here06:55
Kiloshttp://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack06:56
circ-user-VTD8bI have a desktop with 14.04 and I use it too much to give it up and make it a server only and I'm not a huge fan of dual boot06:56
ThatGraemeGuyyou have a single physical machine and you want to make a cloud on it?06:57
Kilosmorning ThatGraemeGuy  06:58
ThatGraemeGuy'lo06:58
circ-user-VTD8bHi ThatGraemeGuy I have a pc and some others that I'd like to get some cloud storage with for now07:00
circ-user-VTD8bhave an older pc and some laptops as well07:00
circ-user-VTD8bI wanted to do this a year or so ago and somehow decided not to go further, now I'm in the mood again07:01
Kiloshehe07:01
ThatGraemeGuyhrmm07:02
circ-user-VTD8bI also have a p3 with probably 512mb ram and 4/5 x hdd's that I'd like to add if possible07:03
ThatGraemeGuyi hate that term cloud because there's a 99% chance neither of us are going to end up knowing exactly what you want07:03
circ-user-VTD8bOk simply put, I want online storage that I can access any time anywhere07:04
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://www.ubuntu.com/cloud07:04
circ-user-VTD8bsecure private online staorage07:04
ThatGraemeGuythat's the cloud story07:04
ThatGraemeGuyit sounds like you want some other thing07:04
ThatGraemeGuyyou want a bunch of local storage on multiple machines to be available as 1 logical storage place07:05
circ-user-VTD8bbasically yes07:06
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_storage_cloud <-- something like that?07:06
Kiloscirc-user-VTD8b  you know you can hang here all the time hey? not only when you need some help07:16
Kiloshi Rynomster  07:20
Rynomstermorning Kilos :) just making a few calls, will be back now no :)07:29
Rynomsternow now07:29
Kiloslol07:30
inetprogood mornings07:46
Kilosohi inetpro  07:46
inetproKilos: I'll skip the membership thing this week... will try to attend for your meeting though07:47
* inetpro will put my name for next month07:47
Kilosty inetpro  i saw you didnt have time to go to your page07:47
Kiloswe will support you07:48
Kiloswb ThatGraemeGuy  08:00
ThatGraemeGuyty08:00
Kiloshi rudi-is-me  08:02
EvilDMPif anyone would like to join the new Pythonistas in Namibia, we are getting them on #python-namibia08:20
Kiloshi TinuvaMac  08:56
Kiloshi mazal  10:10
mazalAfternoon everyone10:11
TinuvaMachi Kilos10:13
superflyinetpro: please use my rsnyman account on trello10:24
Kiloshi zipper  10:29
zipperKilos: I'm good. You?10:29
Kilosgood ty10:29
inetprosuperfly: +111:27
mazalOom Kilos11:43
Kiloswat?11:43
mazalAll went well on Saturday , except all my mail in my inbox is gone11:43
Kilosoh my11:43
mazalSub folders is there though , very weird11:44
Kilosthats why i use evolution11:44
mazalAnd I made a full backup of home and put the full home back11:44
Kiloswow11:44
mazalThe only thing missing is inbox mail11:45
mazalSub folders in mail is there and all other apps data and configs is there11:45
Kilosarent they still availble online11:45
mazalNo this is a pop3 account11:45
Kilosgmail keeps all my mails11:46
Kilospop or not11:46
mazalI have 2 accounts. Gmail one ( that stays online with imap) and a seperate pop3 account that downloads to pc11:46
Kilosi use pop on eveo but gmails keeps all my mails till i go there and delete them11:47
mazalIs cos your pop3 settings is prob set not to delete on server. You can set it like that11:47
Kilosya11:47
mazalOther than that everything seems fine. I installed with my remastered iso11:48
mazalWorks sharp on Kubuntu11:49
Kiloslol dont let the pro hear you say that11:49
mazalWhy ?11:49
Kilosi made a remaster of this kde and he revved me11:49
Kilosall you need is a well sorted backup plan iho11:50
mazalI never had a problem with remastersys , and I have used it for a long time. Only problem I had was now with 14.04 that needs a small tinkering on L and K to work11:50
mazalAg I don't want to spend that very long time and data consuming apt-get's every time to get all software installed again. That's the main reason I do it11:51
Kilosi didnt tunker with anything11:51
Kilosit worked from cli fine on the gui11:52
Kilostinker11:52
Kilosi like remastersys11:52
mazalYa it rocks. Saves so much time and data11:53
Kilosremastersys-gui11:53
mazalNah I never used that. cli easy enough11:53
Kilosya man ek weet nie wat het mense teen dit nie11:53
mazalWith this specific app cli is just much quicker way11:54
mazalI must just still go and look where I change brightness settings on K. It's a bit too bright on my laptop11:55
Kiloslol11:56
mazalI had a quick look but couldn't find it11:57
Kiloslemme look11:57
mazalOr I must change the laptop's screen itself , but that also I must still find. Should be one of the fn keys11:59
Kiloslol11:59
mazalDidn't have enough time to tinker. 11:59
magespawngood afternoon12:02
Kiloshi magespawn  12:05
mazalLo magespawn12:07
magespawnwhats up people?12:13
Kiloslol not much12:13
Kilosoh mazal  Squirm  nuvolari   look at https://trello.com/12:15
zipperWhat does being "functionally illiterate" mean?12:19
zipperhaha12:19
Kiloshaha12:19
mazalBye everyone , God bless12:55
Kiloshi kulelu88  you early13:00
kulelu88Hi13:00
kulelu88yeah ek is op werk nou oom.13:00
kulelu88hoegaanit? oom Kilos 13:00
Kilosgoed dankie en jy?13:00
kulelu88eks goed.13:01
zipperkulelu88: The language you speak right now is?13:07
kulelu88afrikaans13:07
zipperKilos: If I remeber right you said people who speak this language don't use public transport? Are they usually rich or something?13:08
Kiloslol13:14
Kiloswe speak afrikaans here as well13:15
Kilosand many use public transport13:15
Kilosand you sucking things out rour hat here too13:16
Kilosyour13:16
=== arnaudmez is now known as arnaudmez_
Kiloshi arnaudmez_  13:16
arnaudmez_hi Kilos13:16
arnaudmez_i'm actually having hardtime with my 3G modem13:16
arnaudmez_eich ... just ant to trow it out13:17
Kilosthe modem or the os or the isp13:17
arnaudmez_also evolution gives mes problems13:17
Kilosoh my13:17
superflykulelu88: did you see, I put an advert on gtpug13:17
superflyor gpug, or whatever it's called13:18
* superfly did it from his phone this morning, so it wasn't his best effort13:18
arnaudmez_ISP have problems (did called and got their answer), Modem too have problems (disconecting and not displaying the registered profile sometime), bandwidth slowing down as soon as i open Evolution13:18
Kilosarnaudmez_  zipper  is a fedora user and next door to you13:18
zipperKilos: I'm an arch user :D13:19
kulelu88yep i saw superfly 13:19
arnaudmez_I just chosed to remove evolution mail for few time and maybe i will reinstall it :D13:19
kulelu88hopefully you find the right guys13:19
Kilosoh ya13:19
arnaudmez_zipper: arch, Ubuntu, Fedora ... thei're all Linux for sure ...13:20
Kiloshmm... kulelu88  you on pug thing too13:20
Kiloshmm...13:20
kulelu88oom I must teach you a bit of social engineering ;)13:20
zipperkulelu88: Kilos http://lpaste.net/8629131064838717440 oh he said they don't use taxis but there is the scrollback.13:20
Kilosoh hahaha '13:21
zipperKilos: It implied that people who spoke the lang were "special" somehow.13:21
kulelu88yikes this guy is logging our chats :-/13:21
Kilosrofl13:21
zipperkulelu88: lol not like that :( People are always logging everything13:21
zipperIt's the internet.13:21
kulelu88maybe in ooms day taxis were safe, but no afrikaaner rides them these days13:21
zipperMy irc client does that on its own.13:22
Kilosi have never used a taxi in my life13:22
zipperkulelu88: It only logs when I'm connected so I guess you're safe :(13:22
Kilosbikes cars and feet always worked13:22
kulelu88zipper there should be a web log somewhere13:22
zipperkulelu88: Who is an Afrikaaner?13:22
kulelu88oom Kilos is13:23
zipperkulelu88: Would you want that? I know of a tool that you can use to log all the stuff going on.13:23
Kilosya my name is kilos van der merwe13:23
zipperKilos: Meaning Dutch like 500 years ago.13:23
Kilosno man afrikaners are the descendants of them13:24
kulelu88zipper: the NSA is already doing it, so no need13:24
Kilosmuch improved and simplified language13:24
zipperKilos: Oh yeah13:24
Kilosplus also french german welsh and who knows what else goes into making the afrikaner nation13:28
kulelu88English. a lot of english13:33
Kilosna13:33
zipperhahahaha it's funny that Kilos has znever used a taxi so kulelu88 was right.13:34
Kilos1 or 213:34
kulelu88nor have I zipper 13:34
kulelu88nor have some black people13:34
zipperkulelu88: Why? People use taxis here all the time, they're safe.13:34
Kiloszipper  i rode bicycle to school and then to work then bought a motor bike and so forth13:34
zipperkulelu88: True13:35
kulelu88zipper: our taxis sometimes use cardboard for brakes13:35
Kilosrofl13:36
zipperkulelu88: Yeah cycling is going to be my thing too except for the non existent cycling lanes here.13:36
Kiloswe never had cycling lanes13:36
kulelu88if i cycle to anywhere here, ill die from exhaustion13:36
Kilosstill dont i think13:36
zipperkulelu88: Oh really? Wow uh that's unusual and probably illegal.13:36
zipperKilos: A few roads have good cycling lanes.13:36
kulelu88now you know why we dont use them13:37
zipperKilos: but those are newly build by the previous regime. A lot of infrastructure stuff going on here.13:37
Kilosaha13:37
arnaudmez_bye bye13:43
arnaudmez_have to move13:43
=== rudi-is-me_ is now known as rudi-is-me
Kilosrudi-is-me  are you also circ-user ?15:37
Kiloswbb reboot needed15:52
Kiloshi Private_User  hows things there lad16:16
* Kilos needs to remember these kinda things ??16:16
Kiloshi Kerbero  howsit16:44
Kilos?16:44
rudi-is-meKilos: yes, it was a default user in some chrome irc app16:45
Kilosaha16:45
Kilosim not as look as dumb i be'16:46
rudi-is-me:)16:46
Kilosrudi-is-me  tell us a bit about yourself, as in where are you , where you work and what you do etc16:48
Kilosim the nosy one16:48
kulelu88I know a Rudi, part of a LUG16:49
rudi-is-meno problem. I live in gp, work for myself providing all sorts of IT services16:51
Kilosnice16:51
Kiloshi Tonberry_  16:51
rudi-is-mekulelu88: LUG? I know of a WUG 16:51
Tonberry_hi16:52
KilosLUG=linux users group16:52
Kiloswe need more members in pta16:53
rudi-is-meah ok, got that one totally wrong16:53
rudi-is-meso tell me a bit about yourself Kilos16:55
Kilosim a bally, and stay just west of pta and do as little as possible16:55
Kilospark here most of the day16:56
Kilosim actually restoring my blog so you can see the first 4 episodes there16:56
KilosMaaz  kilos.blog16:56
MaazKilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/16:56
Kilosi go eat. bbl16:59
Kilosrudi-is-me  are you a member of our mailing list?17:27
Kilosoh my inetpro  where is our mailing list link in the topic bar??17:43
Kilosrudi-is-me  ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com17:43
Kiloskulelu88  do you have the link where one signs up?17:44
Kilosthere is a rudi in our lists iirc17:44
rudi-is-medon't think it's me17:46
Kilosdo you know what youve let yourself in for?17:52
Kiloshehe17:52
Kiloshi magespawn  17:56
Kilosjust who i need17:56
Kiloswhats the link to join our mailing list please17:56
Kilosand say hi to rudi-is-me  17:56
magespawngood evening17:57
inetproKilos: you go to our website, click on "Get Involved" and there you see all the different methods to get involved18:01
Kilosman where is the link in the topic bar18:02
Kilosgrrr18:02
inetprowe can't have everything in the topic bar18:02
Kilosi hope they give me a sjambok with membership18:02
* inetpro still want to remove the twitter link as well18:02
Kilosit was there for years18:02
=== rudi-is-me_ is now known as rudi-is-me
Kilosput it back pretty please18:02
* Kilos goes on knees18:03
inetprowhy do we have a website?18:03
Kilosto make me browse more18:03
Kilosplease please please18:04
Kilosdammit18:04
Kilosrudi-is-me  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za18:05
magespawngood evening18:05
magespawnagain18:05
magespawninetpro, i agree, as soon as the website has most of the details on it18:05
Kilossjoe that looks long18:05
Kiloswb magespawn  18:05
inetpromagespawn: the details are on the current website now, all we need is to transfer this info to the new site 18:08
inetproif it's not there already18:11
inetprobig question in my mind is what do we put on the home page?18:21
* inetpro talking about the new site at http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/18:21
KilosMaaz  new site is <reply> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/18:22
MaazKilos: One learns a new thing every day18:22
magespawni was planning on doing some work on trello with the suggestions from the mailing list18:23
inetpromagespawn: are you there now?18:24
Kilosya magespawn  you must put your pic as well18:24
Kilosai!18:25
Kiloswb magespawn  18:31
magespawnback again18:32
magespawnty18:32
Kiloslol18:32
inetproKilos: can I archive the Trello list (first list)?18:33
Kiloswhats in it?18:33
Kilosi cant even find it18:35
inetprofind what?18:36
Kilosfirst list18:36
inetproKilos: can you see what I did there?18:37
kulelu88there's pics of you guys? where?18:37
Kilosim on one page and battling to get back to the basic thing18:37
inetprokulelu88: we're using Trello, you mind to join us?18:38
kulelu88i didn't know trello is free .18:38
kulelu88link?18:38
inetprojust go to https://trello.com/ 18:38
inetproregister and set yourself a username and let me know so I can add it to our group18:38
Kilosinetpro  im here http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-byq96bNv.png18:44
kulelu88whos the old guy by "figure out how to use trello" ??18:45
Kiloshahaha18:45
inetproKilos: ai!18:45
Kiloscheeky18:46
Kiloswat ai! jy man, hoe gaan ek weg daar18:47
inetproKilos: you're in the right place, the first column = the first list18:48
inetproWebsite = 2nd list18:48
inetproNew Applications = 3rd list18:48
* inetpro wants to remove the entire "Trello LIST!!!" list18:48
kulelu88trello looks like a visual spreadsheet basically18:48
Kilosya you can archive first list18:49
Kilostrello list18:49
inetprodone18:49
inetprokulelu88: I've seen others calling it collaborative virtual sticky note software18:50
kulelu88aah18:51
kulelu88cant pinterest do the same thing18:51
inetprocan it? I have no idea18:51
Kilosforget other stuffs we doing this thing now18:52
Kiloskulelu88  i dont see you there yet18:53
* inetpro still waiting for magespawn and kulelu88 to join us18:53
kulelu88i wont be able to assist tonight. i'm "at work" right now18:53
Kilosah ok18:53
Kilosany excuse is better than none18:54
kulelu88i soon plan on working at the beach :D18:54
Kiloslekker18:54
Kilosnatal beach i hope18:54
kulelu88no ways, gonna do a bit of nomad travelling (i hope)18:55
Kilosah nice 18:55
Kiloslappy and a solar charger you are made18:56
Kiloswhere are you at work now??18:56
KilosMaaz  seen gremble18:58
MaazKilos: gremble was last seen 5 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-27 11:39:24 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-27 12:08:34 PST18:58
KilosMaaz  tell gremble http://clicks.slashdot.org/c.html?ufl=4&rtr=on&s=x8pb08,255li,54g,b4qn,6ss2,65az,2s7v18:59
MaazKilos: Okay, I'll tell gremble on freenode18:59
kulelu88i work as a contractor18:59
Kilosthis is like sucking blood out of a stone19:00
kulelu88any programmers here?19:00
Kiloshi superfly  i sent you that mail because hopefully we can get you one19:01
Kiloskulelu88  say what you want programmed or checked out man19:02
Kilosyour question is like standing in a bottle store and asking any drinkers here19:03
kulelu88in php, the "?" character = SPACE . What does the "&" character equal??19:03
Kiloshttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/2422907/what-does-the-sign-mean-in-php19:05
KilosThis will force the variable to be passed by reference. Normally, a hard copy would be created for simple types. This can come handy for large strings (performance gain) or if you want to manipulate the variable without using the return statement, 19:06
Kiloshehe ek is so slim ne19:06
Kilosoooo hoe lekker lag ek nou19:07
inetproKilos: you really do not have a PrSc button on your keyboard?19:10
inetproor rather PrtSc19:11
Kiloslet me get the magnifying glass and look19:11
Kilosya just left of scroll lock19:11
inetprowhat happens when you press that?19:12
Kilosill try remember that ty inetpro  19:12
Kilosya same as ksnapshot19:12
inetproai!19:12
Kiloswat nou?19:12
inetproplease remember that now19:13
Kilosits got tiny writing man19:13
inetproit's so easy to press man19:13
Kilosand sysRq under print screen19:13
inetproteach your finger to go there19:13
Kiloshahaha19:13
magespawnjoin?19:23
magespawnsorry fell asleep there for a bit19:25
Kiloslol19:26
Kilosjoin at trello19:27
Kilosinetpro  how do you see who is online there19:31
magespawnokay logged in19:32
inetproKilos: look at the icons of members19:33
inetpromagespawn: cool, now please tell us about your latest ideas19:33
Kilosah ty19:33
Kilosmagespawn  get your pic there19:33
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=== St[3]baS is now known as St2baS
Kiloslol19:36
Kiloswhat are you doing St2baS  19:37
St2baSlol messing with St3baS :P 19:37
St2baSone of my friends19:37
Kiloslol19:37
St2baSI should tell him to come here, he's cool19:37
Kilosdoes he use linux?19:38
=== St2baS is now known as |2ynomster
|2ynomsteryea he installed ubuntu today :)19:38
|2ynomsterlol he started working for my company today :P19:39
|2ynomsterfirst day on the job19:39
Kiloswell duh! invite him man19:39
Kiloshi St3baS  19:39
|2ynomsterhi St3baS19:39
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za19:39
|2ynomsterSt3baS, Kilos is cool :) he can tell you more than google about ubuntu :D19:40
Kiloshahaha19:40
magespawninetpro still trying to get the brain into gear19:40
kulelu88whats your company? |19:40
kulelu88|2ynomster: 19:40
|2ynomsterits a programming company :)19:41
=== |2ynomster is now known as Rynomster
RynomsterI think it was people in this room who convinced me to stop working for the man :p19:42
kulelu88dont feel shy to promo the name, Rynomster 19:42
Rynomsterhehe its called Lunatech :P but you won't find stuff about it in the internet :) well not our company anywayz :>19:43
Rynomsterso far just word of mouth19:43
kulelu88i hope you're not another joomla/wordpress shop19:43
Rynomsterno :P hahaha19:43
Rynomsterwe dont do websites :P19:43
Rynomsterdont really like php either... its not a real language19:44
* Rynomster ducks for cover19:44
kulelu88web apps in ruby/C#/Java?19:44
Kilosiirc there is/was only one person here that likes php19:44
RynomsterPython mostly :P but yea I like Ruby too :)19:45
magespawnRynomster: i think most of the people who programme here will agree with that19:45
kulelu88awee a python shop. 19:45
Rynomsteralso do C && C++19:45
kulelu88I cant slander php, all those fuckups in that language are my bread and butter19:46
Rynomsterhahaha :D19:46
Kilossjoe kulelu88  language19:46
Kilosi have a gentle disposition19:47
kulelu88Rynomster: Are you outsourcing work yet?19:47
kulelu88oom we need to take you to sunnyside to a house club and get you your youth back :P19:47
Rynomsterkulelu88: I been on holiday for like very long :| was outsourcing working last year when I had too much, now we gotta find work again :P19:47
Kiloshahaha19:47
kulelu88holiday? like chilling and doing nothing?19:48
magespawnjust busy doing a release upgrade on the machines 19:48
Rynomsteryeeeaaahh haha :P well travelling I guess :) 19:48
* inetpro done for the evening19:50
inetprogood night19:51
Rynomstergn inetpro19:51
kulelu88enlighten us where you went to RYn19:51
kulelu88Rynomster: 19:51
Kilosnight inetpro  sleep tight19:51
RynomsterDrakensburg, Durban, Scottburgh, iFafa, Southport, Uvongo, Margate, Ramsgate, Port Edward, Port St Johns, Coffee Bay, Hogsback, Port Elizabeth, now I'm in Jbay :)19:52
kulelu88I was expecting: thailand, malaysia, maldives, italy, spain, greece :-/19:53
Kiloshaha19:53
kulelu88but that sounds like east coast. 19:53
Rynomsterlol :P nah :) just travelling through our country :D19:53
Kilosya natal and down19:53
Kiloscatch a wave and your sitting on top of the world19:53
Rynomsterlol North Coast, South Coast, Eastern Cape :) still going for a few more weeks :P but will be working along the way now :)19:54
Kilosyou must look for clients along the way19:54
Rynomsteryea I have been :) not really hard though... loads of people want websites... lol19:55
kulelu88i think i could do that, but ja, where to stay 19:55
kulelu88loads of people also only want to pay R500 for websites :-/19:55
Kiloswhat do websites cost?19:56
Kilosmy site was free19:56
Kilosty yola19:56
kulelu88that's exactly why 19:57
kulelu88a solid website should cost around 5k19:58
Kiloswow19:58
Kilosif i had to pay that for a site i wouldnt be here19:59
Rynomsterhahaha yea I agree :P if people want websites I always refer them to friends20:00
kulelu88oom for a personal site/blog free is okay. R500 for a nicely designed business website won't work20:01
Kilosyeah i agree. businesses must pay20:02
Rynomsteryea I usually tell people like R2.5k, then I find someone to do it for R2k20:02
Kiloshaha 20:02
kulelu88Rynomster: i dont think there's much work for webapps in SA20:03
Rynomster:P but I usually pay the web designers upfront, then sometimes don't get money from the clients :P20:03
Rynomsterso it balances out :P20:03
Rynomsteryea kulelu88 we focus more on overseas clients20:03
Kilosai!20:03
kulelu88dollars? Rynomster 20:04
Rynomsteryeah :) works better20:04
kulelu88must be a capetonian!!20:05
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:07
Kilossien julle more20:07
kulelu88night oom20:07
Rynomstergnite guys :) time for bed :D20:09
St3baS21:39] *** channel created at Sun Nov 26 08:44:53 200620:15
St3baS[21:39] <Kilos> hi St3baS  20:15
St3baS[21:39] <|2ynomster> hi St3baS20:15
St3baS[21:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za20:15
St3baS[21:40] <|2ynomster> St3baS, Kilos is cool :) he can tell you more than google about ubuntu :D20:15
St3baSHi guys:D20:15
St3baSthanks for the welcom20:15
kulelu88hi St3baS 20:27
kulelu88Rynomster, St3baS : are you in joburg/GP?20:28
magespawngood night all21:32

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