[02:42] <captine> inetpro: missed what was going on.  Are we using Trello for ubuntu-za mini projects?
[04:27] <bduk1> More almal
[06:19] <Kilos> morning inetpro  and others
[06:20] <Kilos> ty inetpro  
[06:46] <Kilos> hi circ-user-VTD8b  welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:47] <circ-user-VTD8b> Can anyone tell me if it's an option to create a cloud using Ubuntu desktop 14.04?
[06:47] <circ-user-VTD8b> Hi Kilos
[06:47] <Kilos> you'll have to hang for an answer, everyone seems very busy this morning
[06:50] <Kilos> i dont know anything about clouds apart from them brining rain sometimes. do you want to create an own cloud on your desktop?
[06:54] <circ-user-VTD8b> Kilos: I would like to play with it a bit, maybe I can make it rain :)
[06:55] <Kilos> hahaha that would be cool
[06:55] <circ-user-VTD8b> Yeah I also thought so
[06:55] <Kilos> lets see what i can find till someone brainy gets here
[06:56] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack
[06:56] <circ-user-VTD8b> I have a desktop with 14.04 and I use it too much to give it up and make it a server only and I'm not a huge fan of dual boot
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have a single physical machine and you want to make a cloud on it?
[06:58] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:00] <circ-user-VTD8b> Hi ThatGraemeGuy I have a pc and some others that I'd like to get some cloud storage with for now
[07:00] <circ-user-VTD8b> have an older pc and some laptops as well
[07:01] <circ-user-VTD8b> I wanted to do this a year or so ago and somehow decided not to go further, now I'm in the mood again
[07:01] <Kilos> hehe
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrmm
[07:03] <circ-user-VTD8b> I also have a p3 with probably 512mb ram and 4/5 x hdd's that I'd like to add if possible
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> i hate that term cloud because there's a 99% chance neither of us are going to end up knowing exactly what you want
[07:04] <circ-user-VTD8b> Ok simply put, I want online storage that I can access any time anywhere
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[07:04] <circ-user-VTD8b> secure private online staorage
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's the cloud story
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> it sounds like you want some other thing
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> you want a bunch of local storage on multiple machines to be available as 1 logical storage place
[07:06] <circ-user-VTD8b> basically yes
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_storage_cloud <-- something like that?
[07:16] <Kilos> circ-user-VTD8b  you know you can hang here all the time hey? not only when you need some help
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  
[07:29] <Rynomster> morning Kilos :) just making a few calls, will be back now no :)
[07:29] <Rynomster> now now
[07:30] <Kilos> lol
[07:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:46] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  
[07:47] <inetpro> Kilos: I'll skip the membership thing this week... will try to attend for your meeting though
[07:47]  * inetpro will put my name for next month
[07:47] <Kilos> ty inetpro  i saw you didnt have time to go to your page
[07:48] <Kilos> we will support you
[08:00] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy  
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> ty
[08:02] <Kilos> hi rudi-is-me  
[08:20] <EvilDMP> if anyone would like to join the new Pythonistas in Namibia, we are getting them on #python-namibia
[08:56] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[10:10] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[10:11] <mazal> Afternoon everyone
[10:13] <TinuvaMac> hi Kilos
[10:24] <superfly> inetpro: please use my rsnyman account on trello
[10:29] <Kilos> hi zipper  
[10:29] <zipper> Kilos: I'm good. You?
[10:29] <Kilos> good ty
[11:27] <inetpro> superfly: +1
[11:43] <mazal> Oom Kilos
[11:43] <Kilos> wat?
[11:43] <mazal> All went well on Saturday , except all my mail in my inbox is gone
[11:43] <Kilos> oh my
[11:44] <mazal> Sub folders is there though , very weird
[11:44] <Kilos> thats why i use evolution
[11:44] <mazal> And I made a full backup of home and put the full home back
[11:44] <Kilos> wow
[11:45] <mazal> The only thing missing is inbox mail
[11:45] <mazal> Sub folders in mail is there and all other apps data and configs is there
[11:45] <Kilos> arent they still availble online
[11:45] <mazal> No this is a pop3 account
[11:46] <Kilos> gmail keeps all my mails
[11:46] <Kilos> pop or not
[11:46] <mazal> I have 2 accounts. Gmail one ( that stays online with imap) and a seperate pop3 account that downloads to pc
[11:47] <Kilos> i use pop on eveo but gmails keeps all my mails till i go there and delete them
[11:47] <mazal> Is cos your pop3 settings is prob set not to delete on server. You can set it like that
[11:47] <Kilos> ya
[11:48] <mazal> Other than that everything seems fine. I installed with my remastered iso
[11:49] <mazal> Works sharp on Kubuntu
[11:49] <Kilos> lol dont let the pro hear you say that
[11:49] <mazal> Why ?
[11:49] <Kilos> i made a remaster of this kde and he revved me
[11:50] <Kilos> all you need is a well sorted backup plan iho
[11:50] <mazal> I never had a problem with remastersys , and I have used it for a long time. Only problem I had was now with 14.04 that needs a small tinkering on L and K to work
[11:51] <mazal> Ag I don't want to spend that very long time and data consuming apt-get's every time to get all software installed again. That's the main reason I do it
[11:51] <Kilos> i didnt tunker with anything
[11:52] <Kilos> it worked from cli fine on the gui
[11:52] <Kilos> tinker
[11:52] <Kilos> i like remastersys
[11:53] <mazal> Ya it rocks. Saves so much time and data
[11:53] <Kilos> remastersys-gui
[11:53] <mazal> Nah I never used that. cli easy enough
[11:53] <Kilos> ya man ek weet nie wat het mense teen dit nie
[11:54] <mazal> With this specific app cli is just much quicker way
[11:55] <mazal> I must just still go and look where I change brightness settings on K. It's a bit too bright on my laptop
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <mazal> I had a quick look but couldn't find it
[11:57] <Kilos> lemme look
[11:59] <mazal> Or I must change the laptop's screen itself , but that also I must still find. Should be one of the fn keys
[11:59] <Kilos> lol
[11:59] <mazal> Didn't have enough time to tinker. 
[12:02] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[12:07] <mazal> Lo magespawn
[12:13] <magespawn> whats up people?
[12:13] <Kilos> lol not much
[12:15] <Kilos> oh mazal  Squirm  nuvolari   look at https://trello.com/
[12:19] <zipper> What does being "functionally illiterate" mean?
[12:19] <zipper> haha
[12:19] <Kilos> haha
[12:55] <mazal> Bye everyone , God bless
[13:00] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  you early
[13:00] <kulelu88> Hi
[13:00] <kulelu88> yeah ek is op werk nou oom.
[13:00] <kulelu88> hoegaanit? oom Kilos 
[13:00] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy?
[13:01] <kulelu88> eks goed.
[13:07] <zipper> kulelu88: The language you speak right now is?
[13:07] <kulelu88> afrikaans
[13:08] <zipper> Kilos: If I remeber right you said people who speak this language don't use public transport? Are they usually rich or something?
[13:14] <Kilos> lol
[13:15] <Kilos> we speak afrikaans here as well
[13:15] <Kilos> and many use public transport
[13:16] <Kilos> and you sucking things out rour hat here too
[13:16] <Kilos> your
[13:16] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez_  
[13:16] <arnaudmez_> hi Kilos
[13:16] <arnaudmez_> i'm actually having hardtime with my 3G modem
[13:17] <arnaudmez_> eich ... just ant to trow it out
[13:17] <Kilos> the modem or the os or the isp
[13:17] <arnaudmez_> also evolution gives mes problems
[13:17] <Kilos> oh my
[13:17] <superfly> kulelu88: did you see, I put an advert on gtpug
[13:18] <superfly> or gpug, or whatever it's called
[13:18]  * superfly did it from his phone this morning, so it wasn't his best effort
[13:18] <arnaudmez_> ISP have problems (did called and got their answer), Modem too have problems (disconecting and not displaying the registered profile sometime), bandwidth slowing down as soon as i open Evolution
[13:18] <Kilos> arnaudmez_  zipper  is a fedora user and next door to you
[13:19] <zipper> Kilos: I'm an arch user :D
[13:19] <kulelu88> yep i saw superfly 
[13:19] <arnaudmez_> I just chosed to remove evolution mail for few time and maybe i will reinstall it :D
[13:19] <kulelu88> hopefully you find the right guys
[13:19] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:20] <arnaudmez_> zipper: arch, Ubuntu, Fedora ... thei're all Linux for sure ...
[13:20] <Kilos> hmm... kulelu88  you on pug thing too
[13:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:20] <kulelu88> oom I must teach you a bit of social engineering ;)
[13:20] <zipper> kulelu88: Kilos http://lpaste.net/8629131064838717440 oh he said they don't use taxis but there is the scrollback.
[13:21] <Kilos> oh hahaha '
[13:21] <zipper> Kilos: It implied that people who spoke the lang were "special" somehow.
[13:21] <kulelu88> yikes this guy is logging our chats :-/
[13:21] <Kilos> rofl
[13:21] <zipper> kulelu88: lol not like that :( People are always logging everything
[13:21] <zipper> It's the internet.
[13:21] <kulelu88> maybe in ooms day taxis were safe, but no afrikaaner rides them these days
[13:22] <zipper> My irc client does that on its own.
[13:22] <Kilos> i have never used a taxi in my life
[13:22] <zipper> kulelu88: It only logs when I'm connected so I guess you're safe :(
[13:22] <Kilos> bikes cars and feet always worked
[13:22] <kulelu88> zipper there should be a web log somewhere
[13:22] <zipper> kulelu88: Who is an Afrikaaner?
[13:23] <kulelu88> oom Kilos is
[13:23] <zipper> kulelu88: Would you want that? I know of a tool that you can use to log all the stuff going on.
[13:23] <Kilos> ya my name is kilos van der merwe
[13:23] <zipper> Kilos: Meaning Dutch like 500 years ago.
[13:24] <Kilos> no man afrikaners are the descendants of them
[13:24] <kulelu88> zipper: the NSA is already doing it, so no need
[13:24] <Kilos> much improved and simplified language
[13:24] <zipper> Kilos: Oh yeah
[13:28] <Kilos> plus also french german welsh and who knows what else goes into making the afrikaner nation
[13:33] <kulelu88> English. a lot of english
[13:33] <Kilos> na
[13:34] <zipper> hahahaha it's funny that Kilos has znever used a taxi so kulelu88 was right.
[13:34] <Kilos> 1 or 2
[13:34] <kulelu88> nor have I zipper 
[13:34] <kulelu88> nor have some black people
[13:34] <zipper> kulelu88: Why? People use taxis here all the time, they're safe.
[13:34] <Kilos> zipper  i rode bicycle to school and then to work then bought a motor bike and so forth
[13:35] <zipper> kulelu88: True
[13:35] <kulelu88> zipper: our taxis sometimes use cardboard for brakes
[13:36] <Kilos> rofl
[13:36] <zipper> kulelu88: Yeah cycling is going to be my thing too except for the non existent cycling lanes here.
[13:36] <Kilos> we never had cycling lanes
[13:36] <kulelu88> if i cycle to anywhere here, ill die from exhaustion
[13:36] <Kilos> still dont i think
[13:36] <zipper> kulelu88: Oh really? Wow uh that's unusual and probably illegal.
[13:36] <zipper> Kilos: A few roads have good cycling lanes.
[13:37] <kulelu88> now you know why we dont use them
[13:37] <zipper> Kilos: but those are newly build by the previous regime. A lot of infrastructure stuff going on here.
[13:37] <Kilos> aha
[13:43] <arnaudmez_> bye bye
[13:43] <arnaudmez_> have to move
[15:37] <Kilos> rudi-is-me  are you also circ-user ?
[15:52] <Kilos> wbb reboot needed
[16:16] <Kilos> hi Private_User  hows things there lad
[16:16]  * Kilos needs to remember these kinda things ??
[16:44] <Kilos> hi Kerbero  howsit
[16:44] <Kilos> ?
[16:45] <rudi-is-me> Kilos: yes, it was a default user in some chrome irc app
[16:45] <Kilos> aha
[16:46] <Kilos> im not as look as dumb i be'
[16:46] <rudi-is-me> :)
[16:48] <Kilos> rudi-is-me  tell us a bit about yourself, as in where are you , where you work and what you do etc
[16:48] <Kilos> im the nosy one
[16:49] <kulelu88> I know a Rudi, part of a LUG
[16:51] <rudi-is-me> no problem. I live in gp, work for myself providing all sorts of IT services
[16:51] <Kilos> nice
[16:51] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[16:51] <rudi-is-me> kulelu88: LUG? I know of a WUG 
[16:52] <Tonberry_> hi
[16:52] <Kilos> LUG=linux users group
[16:53] <Kilos> we need more members in pta
[16:53] <rudi-is-me> ah ok, got that one totally wrong
[16:55] <rudi-is-me> so tell me a bit about yourself Kilos
[16:55] <Kilos> im a bally, and stay just west of pta and do as little as possible
[16:56] <Kilos> park here most of the day
[16:56] <Kilos> im actually restoring my blog so you can see the first 4 episodes there
[16:56] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[16:56] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat. bbl
[17:27] <Kilos> rudi-is-me  are you a member of our mailing list?
[17:43] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  where is our mailing list link in the topic bar??
[17:43] <Kilos> rudi-is-me  ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:44] <Kilos> kulelu88  do you have the link where one signs up?
[17:44] <Kilos> there is a rudi in our lists iirc
[17:46] <rudi-is-me> don't think it's me
[17:52] <Kilos> do you know what youve let yourself in for?
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:56] <Kilos> just who i need
[17:56] <Kilos> whats the link to join our mailing list please
[17:56] <Kilos> and say hi to rudi-is-me  
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: you go to our website, click on "Get Involved" and there you see all the different methods to get involved
[18:02] <Kilos> man where is the link in the topic bar
[18:02] <Kilos> grrr
[18:02] <inetpro> we can't have everything in the topic bar
[18:02] <Kilos> i hope they give me a sjambok with membership
[18:02]  * inetpro still want to remove the twitter link as well
[18:02] <Kilos> it was there for years
[18:02] <Kilos> put it back pretty please
[18:03]  * Kilos goes on knees
[18:03] <inetpro> why do we have a website?
[18:03] <Kilos> to make me browse more
[18:04] <Kilos> please please please
[18:04] <Kilos> dammit
[18:05] <Kilos> rudi-is-me  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[18:05] <magespawn> good evening
[18:05] <magespawn> again
[18:05] <magespawn> inetpro, i agree, as soon as the website has most of the details on it
[18:05] <Kilos> sjoe that looks long
[18:05] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:08] <inetpro> magespawn: the details are on the current website now, all we need is to transfer this info to the new site 
[18:11] <inetpro> if it's not there already
[18:21] <inetpro> big question in my mind is what do we put on the home page?
[18:21]  * inetpro talking about the new site at http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[18:22] <Kilos> Maaz  new site is <reply> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[18:22] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[18:23] <magespawn> i was planning on doing some work on trello with the suggestions from the mailing list
[18:24] <inetpro> magespawn: are you there now?
[18:24] <Kilos> ya magespawn  you must put your pic as well
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:31] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:32] <magespawn> back again
[18:32] <magespawn> ty
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: can I archive the Trello list (first list)?
[18:33] <Kilos> whats in it?
[18:35] <Kilos> i cant even find it
[18:36] <inetpro> find what?
[18:36] <Kilos> first list
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: can you see what I did there?
[18:37] <kulelu88> there's pics of you guys? where?
[18:37] <Kilos> im on one page and battling to get back to the basic thing
[18:38] <inetpro> kulelu88: we're using Trello, you mind to join us?
[18:38] <kulelu88> i didn't know trello is free .
[18:38] <kulelu88> link?
[18:38] <inetpro> just go to https://trello.com/ 
[18:38] <inetpro> register and set yourself a username and let me know so I can add it to our group
[18:44] <Kilos> inetpro  im here http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-byq96bNv.png
[18:45] <kulelu88> whos the old guy by "figure out how to use trello" ??
[18:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:46] <Kilos> cheeky
[18:47] <Kilos> wat ai! jy man, hoe gaan ek weg daar
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: you're in the right place, the first column = the first list
[18:48] <inetpro> Website = 2nd list
[18:48] <inetpro> New Applications = 3rd list
[18:48]  * inetpro wants to remove the entire "Trello LIST!!!" list
[18:48] <kulelu88> trello looks like a visual spreadsheet basically
[18:49] <Kilos> ya you can archive first list
[18:49] <Kilos> trello list
[18:49] <inetpro> done
[18:50] <inetpro> kulelu88: I've seen others calling it collaborative virtual sticky note software
[18:51] <kulelu88> aah
[18:51] <kulelu88> cant pinterest do the same thing
[18:51] <inetpro> can it? I have no idea
[18:52] <Kilos> forget other stuffs we doing this thing now
[18:53] <Kilos> kulelu88  i dont see you there yet
[18:53]  * inetpro still waiting for magespawn and kulelu88 to join us
[18:53] <kulelu88> i wont be able to assist tonight. i'm "at work" right now
[18:53] <Kilos> ah ok
[18:54] <Kilos> any excuse is better than none
[18:54] <kulelu88> i soon plan on working at the beach :D
[18:54] <Kilos> lekker
[18:54] <Kilos> natal beach i hope
[18:55] <kulelu88> no ways, gonna do a bit of nomad travelling (i hope)
[18:55] <Kilos> ah nice 
[18:56] <Kilos> lappy and a solar charger you are made
[18:56] <Kilos> where are you at work now??
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 5 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-27 11:39:24 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-27 12:08:34 PST
[18:59] <Kilos> Maaz  tell gremble http://clicks.slashdot.org/c.html?ufl=4&rtr=on&s=x8pb08,255li,54g,b4qn,6ss2,65az,2s7v
[18:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell gremble on freenode
[18:59] <kulelu88> i work as a contractor
[19:00] <Kilos> this is like sucking blood out of a stone
[19:00] <kulelu88> any programmers here?
[19:01] <Kilos> hi superfly  i sent you that mail because hopefully we can get you one
[19:02] <Kilos> kulelu88  say what you want programmed or checked out man
[19:03] <Kilos> your question is like standing in a bottle store and asking any drinkers here
[19:03] <kulelu88> in php, the "?" character = SPACE . What does the "&" character equal??
[19:05] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2422907/what-does-the-sign-mean-in-php
[19:06] <Kilos> This will force the variable to be passed by reference. Normally, a hard copy would be created for simple types. This can come handy for large strings (performance gain) or if you want to manipulate the variable without using the return statement, 
[19:06] <Kilos> hehe ek is so slim ne
[19:07] <Kilos> oooo hoe lekker lag ek nou
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you really do not have a PrSc button on your keyboard?
[19:11] <inetpro> or rather PrtSc
[19:11] <Kilos> let me get the magnifying glass and look
[19:11] <Kilos> ya just left of scroll lock
[19:12] <inetpro> what happens when you press that?
[19:12] <Kilos> ill try remember that ty inetpro  
[19:12] <Kilos> ya same as ksnapshot
[19:12] <inetpro> ai!
[19:12] <Kilos> wat nou?
[19:13] <inetpro> please remember that now
[19:13] <Kilos> its got tiny writing man
[19:13] <inetpro> it's so easy to press man
[19:13] <Kilos> and sysRq under print screen
[19:13] <inetpro> teach your finger to go there
[19:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:23] <magespawn> join?
[19:25] <magespawn> sorry fell asleep there for a bit
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> join at trello
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro  how do you see who is online there
[19:32] <magespawn> okay logged in
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: look at the icons of members
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: cool, now please tell us about your latest ideas
[19:33] <Kilos> ah ty
[19:33] <Kilos> magespawn  get your pic there
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <Kilos> what are you doing St2baS  
[19:37] <St2baS> lol messing with St3baS :P 
[19:37] <St2baS> one of my friends
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <St2baS> I should tell him to come here, he's cool
[19:38] <Kilos> does he use linux?
[19:38] <|2ynomster> yea he installed ubuntu today :)
[19:39] <|2ynomster> lol he started working for my company today :P
[19:39] <|2ynomster> first day on the job
[19:39] <Kilos> well duh! invite him man
[19:39] <Kilos> hi St3baS  
[19:39] <|2ynomster> hi St3baS
[19:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:40] <|2ynomster> St3baS, Kilos is cool :) he can tell you more than google about ubuntu :D
[19:40] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:40] <magespawn> inetpro still trying to get the brain into gear
[19:40] <kulelu88> whats your company? |
[19:40] <kulelu88> |2ynomster: 
[19:41] <|2ynomster> its a programming company :)
[19:42] <Rynomster> I think it was people in this room who convinced me to stop working for the man :p
[19:42] <kulelu88> dont feel shy to promo the name, Rynomster 
[19:43] <Rynomster> hehe its called Lunatech :P but you won't find stuff about it in the internet :) well not our company anywayz :>
[19:43] <Rynomster> so far just word of mouth
[19:43] <kulelu88> i hope you're not another joomla/wordpress shop
[19:43] <Rynomster> no :P hahaha
[19:43] <Rynomster> we dont do websites :P
[19:44] <Rynomster> dont really like php either... its not a real language
[19:44]  * Rynomster ducks for cover
[19:44] <kulelu88> web apps in ruby/C#/Java?
[19:44] <Kilos> iirc there is/was only one person here that likes php
[19:45] <Rynomster> Python mostly :P but yea I like Ruby too :)
[19:45] <magespawn> Rynomster: i think most of the people who programme here will agree with that
[19:45] <kulelu88> awee a python shop. 
[19:45] <Rynomster> also do C && C++
[19:46] <kulelu88> I cant slander php, all those fuckups in that language are my bread and butter
[19:46] <Rynomster> hahaha :D
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe kulelu88  language
[19:47] <Kilos> i have a gentle disposition
[19:47] <kulelu88> Rynomster: Are you outsourcing work yet?
[19:47] <kulelu88> oom we need to take you to sunnyside to a house club and get you your youth back :P
[19:47] <Rynomster> kulelu88: I been on holiday for like very long :| was outsourcing working last year when I had too much, now we gotta find work again :P
[19:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:48] <kulelu88> holiday? like chilling and doing nothing?
[19:48] <magespawn> just busy doing a release upgrade on the machines 
[19:48] <Rynomster> yeeeaaahh haha :P well travelling I guess :) 
[19:50]  * inetpro done for the evening
[19:51] <inetpro> good night
[19:51] <Rynomster> gn inetpro
[19:51] <kulelu88> enlighten us where you went to RYn
[19:51] <kulelu88> Rynomster: 
[19:51] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[19:52] <Rynomster> Drakensburg, Durban, Scottburgh, iFafa, Southport, Uvongo, Margate, Ramsgate, Port Edward, Port St Johns, Coffee Bay, Hogsback, Port Elizabeth, now I'm in Jbay :)
[19:53] <kulelu88> I was expecting: thailand, malaysia, maldives, italy, spain, greece :-/
[19:53] <Kilos> haha
[19:53] <kulelu88> but that sounds like east coast. 
[19:53] <Rynomster> lol :P nah :) just travelling through our country :D
[19:53] <Kilos> ya natal and down
[19:53] <Kilos> catch a wave and your sitting on top of the world
[19:54] <Rynomster> lol North Coast, South Coast, Eastern Cape :) still going for a few more weeks :P but will be working along the way now :)
[19:54] <Kilos> you must look for clients along the way
[19:55] <Rynomster> yea I have been :) not really hard though... loads of people want websites... lol
[19:55] <kulelu88> i think i could do that, but ja, where to stay 
[19:55] <kulelu88> loads of people also only want to pay R500 for websites :-/
[19:56] <Kilos> what do websites cost?
[19:56] <Kilos> my site was free
[19:56] <Kilos> ty yola
[19:57] <kulelu88> that's exactly why 
[19:58] <kulelu88> a solid website should cost around 5k
[19:58] <Kilos> wow
[19:59] <Kilos> if i had to pay that for a site i wouldnt be here
[20:00] <Rynomster> hahaha yea I agree :P if people want websites I always refer them to friends
[20:01] <kulelu88> oom for a personal site/blog free is okay. R500 for a nicely designed business website won't work
[20:02] <Kilos> yeah i agree. businesses must pay
[20:02] <Rynomster> yea I usually tell people like R2.5k, then I find someone to do it for R2k
[20:02] <Kilos> haha 
[20:03] <kulelu88> Rynomster: i dont think there's much work for webapps in SA
[20:03] <Rynomster> :P but I usually pay the web designers upfront, then sometimes don't get money from the clients :P
[20:03] <Rynomster> so it balances out :P
[20:03] <Rynomster> yea kulelu88 we focus more on overseas clients
[20:03] <Kilos> ai!
[20:04] <kulelu88> dollars? Rynomster 
[20:04] <Rynomster> yeah :) works better
[20:05] <kulelu88> must be a capetonian!!
[20:07] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:07] <Kilos> sien julle more
[20:07] <kulelu88> night oom
[20:09] <Rynomster> gnite guys :) time for bed :D
[20:15] <St3baS> 21:39] *** channel created at Sun Nov 26 08:44:53 2006
[20:15] <St3baS> [21:39] <Kilos> hi St3baS  
[20:15] <St3baS> [21:39] <|2ynomster> hi St3baS
[20:15] <St3baS> [21:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[20:15] <St3baS> [21:40] <|2ynomster> St3baS, Kilos is cool :) he can tell you more than google about ubuntu :D
[20:15] <St3baS> Hi guys:D
[20:15] <St3baS> thanks for the welcom
[20:27] <kulelu88> hi St3baS 
[20:28] <kulelu88> Rynomster, St3baS : are you in joburg/GP?
[21:32] <magespawn> good night all