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lordievaderGood morning.06:27
soeegood morning07:19
sitterwtf07:23
sitterthat mail on k-devel is making me go :@07:23
sitterjebus07:23
sittersoee: top of the おはようold chap07:23
sitterthat's like japanese posh english, alas I am not sure it's correct07:24
soee;D07:25
sittersweet07:31
sittersomehow git.debian.org made KCI get stuck for the past 5 hours07:31
mitya57Hi guys, I see that we now have two identical packages in vivid: kdevelop-python (synced from Debian) and kdev-python (our own)09:37
mitya57Can we remove our own maybe?09:37
mitya57shadeslayer: ^09:43
sittermitya57: I am reasonable certain one of those is python2 and the other is python309:49
mitya57sitter: oh, you are right09:52
sitterthe naming is exciting terrible though09:52
mitya57though we have file conflicts09:52
sitter*excitingly09:52
mitya57bug 139074309:52
ubottubug 1390743 in kdevelop-python (Ubuntu) "Missing Break/Replace with kdev-python 1.7.0-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139074309:53
sitterthere is no kdevelop-python upstream Oo09:56
sitterI think someone needs to talk to upstream and tell them that this is mighty confusing crap 09:57
sittermitya57: needs a conflicts, looking at the source the only difference between the two tarballs is the python they are looking for09:58
sitterhttp://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/4.7.0/src/09:58
sitteralthough the py2 one is much larger09:58
sitterah it actually contains a python source copy :O09:59
mitya57Maybe removing the py2 version will be easier than making it not-(co-)installable?10:03
mitya57shipping a customized libpython is a terrible idea (i.e. from security PoV)10:05
sitteris it being shipped?10:16
sitterI think this really needs some cooridnation with upstream, because it is not very apparent what the expected lineup here is10:17
sitteralso the naming is just bonkers10:17
sitterthe differentiating factor between the two versions is a -py3 suffix -.-10:17
mitya57sitter: yes, it's shipped as /usr/lib/libpython2.7-kdevelop.so.1.010:35
sittermitya57: clearly upstream needs poking with a very very very pointy stick xD10:39
mitya57not me :)10:41
mitya57or at least not now10:41
* mitya57 afk10:44
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RiddellDarkwing_: what e-mail did you use for twitter?10:58
RiddellHint: da**@o***.**10:58
Riddellit's locked me out10:58
sitterRiddell: how do we backport networkmanager-qt seeing as you made it want a newer networkmanager? :'<11:17
yofelmitya57, sitter: IIRC scummos embedded python to work around a bug which python upstream fixed in 3 but refused to backport to 2 because 2 is "frozen"11:19
_Groo_hello guildies11:24
_Groo_ops, wrong channel ;)11:24
RiddellDarkwing_: yay got it11:39
Riddellsitter: um dunno, make it depend on an older version?11:39
yofelerr, if that works without issues then the version shouldn't have been updated to begin with...11:44
_Groo_Riddell: good morning11:50
_Groo_Riddell: any news on the 14.12 port ot utopic?11:50
_Groo_to*11:50
_Groo_Riddell: btw ksystemlog is still broken on utopic ci11:50
Riddellprobably just needs kate added to it11:50
_Groo_when called with krunner11:50
Riddelldunno when I'll get time, helpers needed11:50
_Groo_Riddell: what needs kate?11:51
_Groo_Riddell: oh you talking to yofel i believe11:51
Riddellam I?11:52
RiddellI'm pretty overloaded today11:52
Riddellovidiu-florin: ping, get home ok?11:52
Riddellovidiu-florin: what money do you need for the t-shirts?11:53
_Groo_Riddell: ok, so you need kate added to what?11:53
_Groo_for what purpose? what day is it? am i human? 11:54
Riddellthe kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa11:54
Riddellor maybe I mean the kate4 package11:54
Riddellcos kate is now kf511:54
Riddellso we need the kpart availble for stuff that expects it11:54
_Groo_ah yes i see, katepart is still kde 411:55
_Groo_but, apps 14.12 would go to ci or backports?11:56
_Groo_wouldnt be better to have it in ci? why the need of 2 different ppas?11:56
_Groo_once tested i agree it should move to backports, since its the oficial11:56
_Groo_unless the work is almost done11:56
BluesKajHey folks12:07
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ovidiu-florinRiddell: Just got home13:55
ovidiu-florinI'll do the calculations today or tomorrow, afte I unpack and get greeted by everyone13:55
ovidiu-florinwas bluetooth supposed to be working in 14.10?14:02
ovidiu-florinbluedevil is installed but it's not in the startup services anymore14:04
ovidiu-florinwhy?14:04
Riddellovidiu-florin: bluedevil for kdelibs4 was on it but no bluedevil for kf514:07
Riddellso no UI14:07
ovidiu-florinoh14:08
ovidiu-florinso currenntly on 14.10, I just need to start it manually14:08
Riddellovidiu-florin: can you claim the luggage money from ubuntu fund? (that way I can finish off my accounting for it now)14:08
ovidiu-florinyeah14:08
ovidiu-florinI'll make some calculations of the luggage and transportation and apply14:09
ovidiu-florinbut right now I'm very tired14:09
ovidiu-florinI left the hotel at 4:50 AM14:09
ovidiu-florinand just now got home14:09
RiddellI'm knackered14:22
Riddellmaybe fosdem flu although I don't have any symptoms14:22
shadeslayertoo much alcohol14:22
Riddellnonsence, belgium beer is really weak, it's like american beer watered down, nothing in it14:23
ovidiu-florinLaura algo got a kind of flue14:23
ovidiu-florinshe had a fever last night14:23
Riddellovidiu-florin: a future career for you as a school teacher? https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/15815260473/14:24
ovidiu-florinRiddell: been there, done that :P14:24
ovidiu-florinRiddell: do you trust Flickr? Why?14:24
sitter_more importantly... why do you continue to insist on taking pictures of such terrible quality >.<14:25
sitter_it's like picture form the 1950s scanned and put on flickr14:25
sitter_that madness14:25
shadeslayerhe needs a new phone14:26
ovidiu-florinI don't think he used a phone14:26
ovidiu-florinIIRC he used a camera14:26
shadeslayers/phone/camera then14:26
sitter_more like he needs a camera because he treats his phones like objects rather than smart beings14:26
ovidiu-florinas I like to call it: a soap holder :P14:26
* shadeslayer is sad because Google Apps for work is not free :(14:27
ovidiu-florinshadeslayer: use Kolab :P14:27
* sitter_ has a migrane14:27
ovidiu-florinsitter_: what's with the tail? _______14:27
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: still not free14:28
shadeslayerand more expensive14:28
sitter_it's post-nap wood14:28
shadeslayerxD14:28
ovidiu-florin:)))))14:28
* sitter_ has better downstream bandwith again14:28
sitter_alas, only slightly better14:28
shadeslayergod14:29
ovidiu-florinwho is maintaining Muon Discover?14:29
shadeslayerSpotify only has remastered versions of 80's music14:29
shadeslayersuch shite14:29
sitter_ovidiu-florin: apol14:29
shadeslayersitter_: do you have a scripteroo to retry jobs on jenkins14:29
shadeslayerI lost my smart script14:30
shadeslayer:(14:30
ovidiu-florinwhere are it's sources?14:30
ovidiu-florinthat thing is crawling with bugs14:30
ovidiu-florinI want to see if I can squash a few14:30
ovidiu-florinplay around with QML14:30
sitter_shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035667/14:30
sitter_adjust to needs. I constantly do different thingsies and reuse the same script so I have no canoncial retry script anymore xD14:31
sitter_ovidiu-florin: kde:muon14:32
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ovidiu-florinfound it, thank you14:35
ovidiu-florinplasma5 just crashed again....14:35
lfrlucasHi! Should I expect a fix for this bug in Kubuntu 4.14 LTS? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27193414:36
ubottuKDE bug 271934 in general "kded4 process grows on memory usage (possible leak)" [Normal,Resolved: upstream]14:37
lfrlucasIt seems that it was already fixed on upstream14:37
ovidiu-florinnormally LTS only gets security updates14:38
lfrlucasWe are using Kubuntu 14.04 in our university lab. Since we do a lot of ssh, this bug is quite severe for us. I would like if it would be solved, or if you have anyworkaround. Otherwise the only solution is to migrate to opensuse, which already fixed this bug14:38
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: This a huge memory leak. My kdeinit4 is using 800 mb right know. Isn't this kind of bug considered on LTS releases?14:39
* ovidiu-florin is still analizing the bug report14:39
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Thanks14:39
lfrlucasI think it can be solved simply updating polkit-qt14:40
soeeikonia: migrate to 15.04 LTS :)14:44
soeelfrlucas: ^14:44
soeemaybe not yet but hey, only ~2 months left14:44
lfrlucassoe: Yeah but kde 15.04 will already use kde5 ? Maybe it is to early for an production environment14:46
soeeikonia: depends what you want to do with it, im using Plasma 5 atm. on my production machines and all works pretty nice14:48
soeelfrlucas: ^14:48
ovidiu-florin15.04 isn't LTS14:48
BluesKajlfrlucas, yes, it's still too early, there are some issues like freezing apps and desktops that need resolving14:48
lfrlucasBtw, I think this is a severe bug in a LTS release. If I remenber kubuntu 14.04 is supported 5 years? I don't understand how users can live with this leak. Every time o make ssh Your memory reduces 2-3 mb. A low memory machine will break in a few days14:48
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: you need to update policykit-1 http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/policykit-114:48
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: How can I update it? I keep system updated14:49
Riddellsitter_: didn't notice you taking any photos at fosdem14:49
sitter_Riddell: I was busy screwing my way around brussels obviously...14:50
sitter_soee: 15.04 is no LTS14:50
shadeslayersitter_: I don't think one gets Kubuntu Devs that way14:50
sitter_wouldn't that be a thing... phoronix "kubuntu developer screwed his way to the top"14:51
soeesitter_: ah yes 16.04 it is14:52
RiddellSick_Rimmit: shame you couldn't be there, hope the family event was more cheerful remembering than sad times14:52
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: I don't think the Ubuntu folks have updated the package14:52
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Thank you do much for thinking of me, that very kind14:52
Sick_RimmitRiddell: I don't think the stuff I sent got there in time either did it ?14:53
ovidiu-florinnope14:53
ovidiu-florinSick_Rimmit: ^14:53
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: hmmm, but should I expect for an update, or I need to do it manually?14:53
ovidiu-florinRiddell: did someone send the t-shirts to Sick_Rimmit ?14:53
Sick_RimmitRiddell: I am very dissappointed that It all went wrong14:53
Sick_RimmitRiddell:  The posters looked superb :-(14:54
Sick_RimmitRiddell:  I had name badges with USB keys too14:54
sitter_what went wrong?14:54
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: if you are able, check if the patch mentioned at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934#c121 which supposedly fixes it, is in the sources of the latest package14:54
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shadeslayersitter_: look what I had to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036028/14:55
shadeslayer:(14:55
sitter_ovidiu-florin: it needs SRU paperwork filed and then a dev to upload fixed packages to utopic and trusty14:55
sitter_well, vivid, utopic and trusty really14:55
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: it would be easier to update from deb...14:55
ubottuKDE bug 271934 in general "kded4 process grows on memory usage (possible leak)" [Normal,Resolved: upstream]14:55
ovidiu-florinand vivid14:55
Riddellsitter_: Sick_Rimmit got called away to a family funeral14:56
sitter_shadeslayer: lol client_without_path, good thing you had to have your paths :P14:56
shadeslayer:(14:56
shadeslayerscru u14:56
RiddellSick_Rimmit: no it didn't arrive alas, we managed to do with what we had so it's all good, just not as good as it would have been with you14:56
sitter_the entire thing does look slightly weird14:56
ovidiu-florinsitter_: so who should lfrlucas contact about this from Ubuntu?14:56
sitter_that ifing along makes one suffer from vertigo14:57
Sick_RimmitRiddell: My focus now is on next year now14:57
sitter_Riddell: ah, how did the stuff not arrive though?14:57
ovidiu-florinSick_Rimmit: what about Akademy?14:57
sitter_ovidiu-florin: filing a bug on lunchpad is a start ^^14:57
Sick_RimmitIt was supposed to get there on 2 days, whcih would have been thursday14:57
sitter_!SRU14:57
ubottuStable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates14:57
sitter_ovidiu-florin: ^14:57
Sick_RimmitI checked the tracking on Friday am, and it was stilin Frakfurt14:58
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: so, best thing to do, is to file a bug on launchpad for this14:58
sitter_Sick_Rimmit: you didn't send it to brussels?14:58
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: So, this problem should be reported on ubuntu?14:58
sitter_or do parcels to brussels get routed through frankfurt?14:58
Sick_Rimmitsitter_: I did suggest that, but I was advised to send to Germany14:58
sitter_ovidiu-florin, lfrlucas: do note that one would still need to find a dev to handle it, bugs easily get lost14:59
ovidiu-florinSick_Rimmit: to Andreas?14:59
Sick_Rimmitsitter_: Anyway, it was just all jolly bad luck14:59
ovidiu-florinluyes14:59
sitter_Sick_Rimmit: oha, well that sounds like the actual problem then ^^14:59
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: yes*14:59
Sick_Rimmitovidiu-florin: Yes to Andre14:59
sitter_as I always say .. stuff needs to be sent to the venue14:59
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Maybe they will not care becasue they are not using kde...14:59
ovidiu-florinsitter_: if the staff is willing to receive it15:00
Sick_RimmitOn the plus side, though I can nw do Posters, Badges, and other merchandise, and get them produced and shipped anywhere, and am happy to do it too15:00
sitter_ovidiu-florin: they usually are nice enough chaps to do so15:00
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: polocykit-1 is not used just by kde15:00
sitter_there was something like this happening for linuxtag in berlin well in the past I think15:00
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Yeah, but it is only affecting kde, I guess15:00
sitter_since then I usually tell people to talk to the organizers and have stuff sent there15:00
lfrlucasAt least this bug15:01
sitter_reduces the chances of something going wrong substantially15:01
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: file a bug on launchpad and givr us the link15:01
sitter_it's a memleak in libpolkit15:01
sitter_nothing kde specific about it really15:01
lfrlucassitter_: yeah15:02
sitter_just happens to have a sizable exposure point here15:02
lfrlucasI don't find a place on launchpad bugs to open new bug15:07
RiddellSick_Rimmit: did you claim all your costs from the ubuntu fund?15:12
BluesKajlfrlucas, open dolphin>Help>Report bug15:12
Sick_RimmitNo I didn't15:12
Riddellovidiu-florin: why should I not trust flickr?15:12
Sick_RimmitI was going to claim post event, and send in receipts15:12
RiddellSick_Rimmit: make sure you do, no reason why you should be out of pocket15:13
RiddellSick_Rimmit: they don't usually ask for reciepts, it's a simple form, just fill it in http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/15:13
Sick_RimmitRiddell: It's OK, I prefer to take this one on the chin, it's not fair to charge to community,15:13
Sick_RimmitRiddell: I'll use fund for another event instead15:13
RiddellSick_Rimmit: dood, they have donation sitting in their bank account not being used, it needs to be claimed for15:14
sitter_maybe we should ask for some money to be sent to kde?15:22
Riddellwell they won't do that which is why we need to claim as much as we can15:25
sitter_they dont Oo15:26
sitter_why that's not silly at all15:27
sitter_ah well15:27
sitter_anyway15:27
* sitter_ out15:28
Riddell15:33 < CoLa> Riddell: posters and stuff arrived today...  ← Sick_Rimmit 15:37
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/141763715:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1417637 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "Kdeinit4 is leaking memory on every ssh login due to known bug on policykit-1" [Undecided,New]15:51
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: I discussed with ubuntu-devel guys, and they start pointing to kubuntu-devel channel15:51
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: because you started wrong15:59
ovidiu-florinRiddell: please, in the future spell my name right15:59
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Doh! well just as we were saying, hey ho, ah well16:00
ovidiu-florinRiddell: and whi am I the only one whos name doesn't start with a capital letter?16:00
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: they are asking if I can try the patch16:00
ovidiu-florinovidiou is not my name16:00
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Well, I will try16:01
ovidiu-florinand have you?16:01
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: I have no experience making debs, but they pointed me a link16:01
Riddellovidiu-florin: sorry ovidiu, it doesn't mean I don't love and appreciate you!16:02
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: you should have told them that there's a fix for a memory leak in polkit and it needs an update16:02
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ;) I forgive you, this time :P16:03
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: I told them more than 1 time16:03
ovidiu-florinand?16:03
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Then they ask me to made bug report. No we will test the patch16:04
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: They will maybe fix, after I confirm that patch works16:04
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: if confirmation that in OpenSuse it works is not enough, then you'll just have to do a test yourself16:11
ovidiu-florinsorry16:11
lfrlucasovidiu-florin: Could you help here? http://pastebin.com/JCarGuH216:14
ovidiu-florincan someone please add me to https://trello.com/b/3s11MoXD/15-04 ?16:16
ovidiu-florinlfrlucas: sorry, I'm not the right person to ask about packaging16:17
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ^^ please add me16:19
Riddellovidiu-florin: added16:20
_Groo_Riddell: are you using kf5?16:22
_Groo_can you make a quick test?16:22
_Groo_open systemsettings > regional settings > date e time, click on ntp and off again (just to activate the apply button), and press apply, it should freeze right there16:22
ovidiu-florinRiddell: thannk you16:23
_Groo_Riddell: i believe there might be a problem with the package and systemd permissions of some kind, this with utopic/ci16:23
ovidiu-florinRiddell: we don't use labels anymore?16:23
_Groo_Riddell: if someone could test in vivid it would be useful16:23
ovidiu-florin_Groo_: what freezes?16:24
shadeslayeron noes16:26
shadeslayersitter's gone16:26
shadeslayerI wanted to torment him with a java backtrace16:26
ovidiu-florin:D16:26
_Groo_ovidiu-florin: the entire module16:27
ovidiu-florinthe KCM?16:27
_Groo_yeah16:28
_Groo_you press apply and it just sits there looking pretty until you kill him16:28
ovidiu-florinlibKF5KIOCore.so.5 was not found. but I have libkf5kiocore5 installed. I can't fnd a devel package. What am I missing?16:30
_Groo_libkf5kiocore5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5KIOCore.so.516:31
_Groo_see if its there16:31
ovidiu-florinyup, it's there16:33
_Groo_ovidiu-florin: are you calling the app via krunner?16:34
ovidiu-florinbrb16:34
ovidiu-florin_Groo_: I'm sourcing this: https://paste.kde.org/ps6tn9tk5/5nl9ei16:37
ovidiu-florinI'm sunning on 14.10 with Plasma 516:37
ovidiu-florinand that was written for a KDE4 env16:37
_Groo_the paste is pwd protected16:37
_Groo_nvm i was logged off :P16:38
_Groo_nah, still cant access it16:39
Riddellovidiu-florin: labels?16:40
ovidiu-florinRiddell: on trello16:49
Riddellovidiu-florin: no I don't think so, just comments are usually fine16:52
Riddellkubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.7.116:52
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141765916:52
shadeslayeryofel: I don't suppose you know of a reprepro command to cleanup things?17:00
shadeslayerjibbers christ17:04
shadeslayerreprepro sourcemissing | awk '{ print $4 }' | awk -F '/' '{ print $5}' | awk -F'_' '{ print $1 }'17:04
yofelshadeslayer: no, and that looks seriously scary XD19:02
soeehiho, someone working on KDE Applications 14.12.2 ?19:29
kofteshi22:41
koftesNetwork Manager / KWallet went crazy out of the blue, and Network Manager stopped connecting to my wlan.  When I try to open the connection settings it says "No agents were available for this request".22:42
koftesNo other error information.  Any ideas?22:42
shadeslayerprobably best ask in #kde-devel or some KDE support channel22:44

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