[06:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:19] <soee> good morning
[07:23] <sitter> wtf
[07:23] <sitter> that mail on k-devel is making me go :@
[07:23] <sitter> jebus
[07:23] <sitter> soee: top of the おはようold chap
[07:24] <sitter> that's like japanese posh english, alas I am not sure it's correct
[07:25] <soee> ;D
[07:31] <sitter> sweet
[07:31] <sitter> somehow git.debian.org made KCI get stuck for the past 5 hours
[09:37] <mitya57> Hi guys, I see that we now have two identical packages in vivid: kdevelop-python (synced from Debian) and kdev-python (our own)
[09:37] <mitya57> Can we remove our own maybe?
[09:43] <mitya57> shadeslayer: ^
[09:49] <sitter> mitya57: I am reasonable certain one of those is python2 and the other is python3
[09:52] <mitya57> sitter: oh, you are right
[09:52] <sitter> the naming is exciting terrible though
[09:52] <mitya57> though we have file conflicts
[09:52] <sitter> *excitingly
[09:52] <mitya57> bug 1390743
[09:56] <sitter> there is no kdevelop-python upstream Oo
[09:57] <sitter> I think someone needs to talk to upstream and tell them that this is mighty confusing crap 
[09:58] <sitter> mitya57: needs a conflicts, looking at the source the only difference between the two tarballs is the python they are looking for
[09:58] <sitter> http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/4.7.0/src/
[09:58] <sitter> although the py2 one is much larger
[09:59] <sitter> ah it actually contains a python source copy :O
[10:03] <mitya57> Maybe removing the py2 version will be easier than making it not-(co-)installable?
[10:05] <mitya57> shipping a customized libpython is a terrible idea (i.e. from security PoV)
[10:16] <sitter> is it being shipped?
[10:17] <sitter> I think this really needs some cooridnation with upstream, because it is not very apparent what the expected lineup here is
[10:17] <sitter> also the naming is just bonkers
[10:17] <sitter> the differentiating factor between the two versions is a -py3 suffix -.-
[10:35] <mitya57> sitter: yes, it's shipped as /usr/lib/libpython2.7-kdevelop.so.1.0
[10:39] <sitter> mitya57: clearly upstream needs poking with a very very very pointy stick xD
[10:41] <mitya57> not me :)
[10:41] <mitya57> or at least not now
[10:44]  * mitya57 afk
[10:58] <Riddell> Darkwing_: what e-mail did you use for twitter?
[10:58] <Riddell> Hint: da**@o***.**
[10:58] <Riddell> it's locked me out
[11:17] <sitter> Riddell: how do we backport networkmanager-qt seeing as you made it want a newer networkmanager? :'<
[11:19] <yofel> mitya57, sitter: IIRC scummos embedded python to work around a bug which python upstream fixed in 3 but refused to backport to 2 because 2 is "frozen"
[11:24] <_Groo_> hello guildies
[11:24] <_Groo_> ops, wrong channel ;)
[11:39] <Riddell> Darkwing_: yay got it
[11:39] <Riddell> sitter: um dunno, make it depend on an older version?
[11:44] <yofel> err, if that works without issues then the version shouldn't have been updated to begin with...
[11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: good morning
[11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: any news on the 14.12 port ot utopic?
[11:50] <_Groo_> to*
[11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw ksystemlog is still broken on utopic ci
[11:50] <Riddell> probably just needs kate added to it
[11:50] <_Groo_> when called with krunner
[11:50] <Riddell> dunno when I'll get time, helpers needed
[11:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: what needs kate?
[11:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: oh you talking to yofel i believe
[11:52] <Riddell> am I?
[11:52] <Riddell> I'm pretty overloaded today
[11:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ping, get home ok?
[11:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what money do you need for the t-shirts?
[11:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok, so you need kate added to what?
[11:54] <_Groo_> for what purpose? what day is it? am i human? 
[11:54] <Riddell> the kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa
[11:54] <Riddell> or maybe I mean the kate4 package
[11:54] <Riddell> cos kate is now kf5
[11:54] <Riddell> so we need the kpart availble for stuff that expects it
[11:55] <_Groo_> ah yes i see, katepart is still kde 4
[11:56] <_Groo_> but, apps 14.12 would go to ci or backports?
[11:56] <_Groo_> wouldnt be better to have it in ci? why the need of 2 different ppas?
[11:56] <_Groo_> once tested i agree it should move to backports, since its the oficial
[11:56] <_Groo_> unless the work is almost done
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Just got home
[13:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'll do the calculations today or tomorrow, afte I unpack and get greeted by everyone
[14:02] <ovidiu-florin> was bluetooth supposed to be working in 14.10?
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> bluedevil is installed but it's not in the startup services anymore
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[14:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: bluedevil for kdelibs4 was on it but no bluedevil for kf5
[14:07] <Riddell> so no UI
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> so currenntly on 14.10, I just need to start it manually
[14:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: can you claim the luggage money from ubuntu fund? (that way I can finish off my accounting for it now)
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'll make some calculations of the luggage and transportation and apply
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> but right now I'm very tired
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> I left the hotel at 4:50 AM
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> and just now got home
[14:22] <Riddell> I'm knackered
[14:22] <Riddell> maybe fosdem flu although I don't have any symptoms
[14:22] <shadeslayer> too much alcohol
[14:23] <Riddell> nonsence, belgium beer is really weak, it's like american beer watered down, nothing in it
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Laura algo got a kind of flue
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> she had a fever last night
[14:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: a future career for you as a school teacher? https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/15815260473/
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: been there, done that :P
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you trust Flickr? Why?
[14:25] <sitter_> more importantly... why do you continue to insist on taking pictures of such terrible quality >.<
[14:25] <sitter_> it's like picture form the 1950s scanned and put on flickr
[14:25] <sitter_> that madness
[14:26] <shadeslayer> he needs a new phone
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> I don't think he used a phone
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> IIRC he used a camera
[14:26] <shadeslayer> s/phone/camera then
[14:26] <sitter_> more like he needs a camera because he treats his phones like objects rather than smart beings
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> as I like to call it: a soap holder :P
[14:27]  * shadeslayer is sad because Google Apps for work is not free :(
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: use Kolab :P
[14:27]  * sitter_ has a migrane
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> sitter_: what's with the tail? _______
[14:28] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: still not free
[14:28] <shadeslayer> and more expensive
[14:28] <sitter_> it's post-nap wood
[14:28] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:28] <ovidiu-florin> :)))))
[14:28]  * sitter_ has better downstream bandwith again
[14:28] <sitter_> alas, only slightly better
[14:29] <shadeslayer> god
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> who is maintaining Muon Discover?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Spotify only has remastered versions of 80's music
[14:29] <shadeslayer> such shite
[14:29] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: apol
[14:29] <shadeslayer> sitter_: do you have a scripteroo to retry jobs on jenkins
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I lost my smart script
[14:30] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> where are it's sources?
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> that thing is crawling with bugs
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> I want to see if I can squash a few
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> play around with QML
[14:30] <sitter_> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035667/
[14:31] <sitter_> adjust to needs. I constantly do different thingsies and reuse the same script so I have no canoncial retry script anymore xD
[14:32] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: kde:muon
[14:35] <ovidiu-florin> found it, thank you
[14:35] <ovidiu-florin> plasma5 just crashed again....
[14:36] <lfrlucas> Hi! Should I expect a fix for this bug in Kubuntu 4.14 LTS? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934
[14:37] <lfrlucas> It seems that it was already fixed on upstream
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> normally LTS only gets security updates
[14:38] <lfrlucas> We are using Kubuntu 14.04 in our university lab. Since we do a lot of ssh, this bug is quite severe for us. I would like if it would be solved, or if you have anyworkaround. Otherwise the only solution is to migrate to opensuse, which already fixed this bug
[14:39] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: This a huge memory leak. My kdeinit4 is using 800 mb right know. Isn't this kind of bug considered on LTS releases?
[14:39]  * ovidiu-florin is still analizing the bug report
[14:39] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Thanks
[14:40] <lfrlucas> I think it can be solved simply updating polkit-qt
[14:44] <soee> ikonia: migrate to 15.04 LTS :)
[14:44] <soee> lfrlucas: ^
[14:44] <soee> maybe not yet but hey, only ~2 months left
[14:46] <lfrlucas> soe: Yeah but kde 15.04 will already use kde5 ? Maybe it is to early for an production environment
[14:48] <soee> ikonia: depends what you want to do with it, im using Plasma 5 atm. on my production machines and all works pretty nice
[14:48] <soee> lfrlucas: ^
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> 15.04 isn't LTS
[14:48] <BluesKaj> lfrlucas, yes, it's still too early, there are some issues like freezing apps and desktops that need resolving
[14:48] <lfrlucas> Btw, I think this is a severe bug in a LTS release. If I remenber kubuntu 14.04 is supported 5 years? I don't understand how users can live with this leak. Every time o make ssh Your memory reduces 2-3 mb. A low memory machine will break in a few days
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: you need to update policykit-1 http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/policykit-1
[14:49] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: How can I update it? I keep system updated
[14:49] <Riddell> sitter_: didn't notice you taking any photos at fosdem
[14:50] <sitter_> Riddell: I was busy screwing my way around brussels obviously...
[14:50] <sitter_> soee: 15.04 is no LTS
[14:50] <shadeslayer> sitter_: I don't think one gets Kubuntu Devs that way
[14:51] <sitter_> wouldn't that be a thing... phoronix "kubuntu developer screwed his way to the top"
[14:52] <soee> sitter_: ah yes 16.04 it is
[14:52] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: shame you couldn't be there, hope the family event was more cheerful remembering than sad times
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: I don't think the Ubuntu folks have updated the package
[14:52] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Thank you do much for thinking of me, that very kind
[14:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I don't think the stuff I sent got there in time either did it ?
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> nope
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: ^
[14:53] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: hmmm, but should I expect for an update, or I need to do it manually?
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: did someone send the t-shirts to Sick_Rimmit ?
[14:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I am very dissappointed that It all went wrong
[14:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell:  The posters looked superb :-(
[14:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell:  I had name badges with USB keys too
[14:54] <sitter_> what went wrong?
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: if you are able, check if the patch mentioned at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934#c121 which supposedly fixes it, is in the sources of the latest package
[14:55] <shadeslayer> sitter_: look what I had to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036028/
[14:55] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:55] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: it needs SRU paperwork filed and then a dev to upload fixed packages to utopic and trusty
[14:55] <sitter_> well, vivid, utopic and trusty really
[14:55] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: it would be easier to update from deb...
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> and vivid
[14:56] <Riddell> sitter_: Sick_Rimmit got called away to a family funeral
[14:56] <sitter_> shadeslayer: lol client_without_path, good thing you had to have your paths :P
[14:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:56] <shadeslayer> scru u
[14:56] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: no it didn't arrive alas, we managed to do with what we had so it's all good, just not as good as it would have been with you
[14:56] <sitter_> the entire thing does look slightly weird
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> sitter_: so who should lfrlucas contact about this from Ubuntu?
[14:57] <sitter_> that ifing along makes one suffer from vertigo
[14:57] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: My focus now is on next year now
[14:57] <sitter_> Riddell: ah, how did the stuff not arrive though?
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: what about Akademy?
[14:57] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: filing a bug on lunchpad is a start ^^
[14:57] <Sick_Rimmit> It was supposed to get there on 2 days, whcih would have been thursday
[14:57] <sitter_> !SRU
[14:57] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: ^
[14:58] <Sick_Rimmit> I checked the tracking on Friday am, and it was stilin Frakfurt
[14:58] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: so, best thing to do, is to file a bug on launchpad for this
[14:58] <sitter_> Sick_Rimmit: you didn't send it to brussels?
[14:58] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: So, this problem should be reported on ubuntu?
[14:58] <sitter_> or do parcels to brussels get routed through frankfurt?
[14:58] <Sick_Rimmit> sitter_: I did suggest that, but I was advised to send to Germany
[14:59] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin, lfrlucas: do note that one would still need to find a dev to handle it, bugs easily get lost
[14:59] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: to Andreas?
[14:59] <Sick_Rimmit> sitter_: Anyway, it was just all jolly bad luck
[14:59] <ovidiu-florin> luyes
[14:59] <sitter_> Sick_Rimmit: oha, well that sounds like the actual problem then ^^
[14:59] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: yes*
[14:59] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Yes to Andre
[14:59] <sitter_> as I always say .. stuff needs to be sent to the venue
[14:59] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Maybe they will not care becasue they are not using kde...
[15:00] <ovidiu-florin> sitter_: if the staff is willing to receive it
[15:00] <Sick_Rimmit> On the plus side, though I can nw do Posters, Badges, and other merchandise, and get them produced and shipped anywhere, and am happy to do it too
[15:00] <sitter_> ovidiu-florin: they usually are nice enough chaps to do so
[15:00] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: polocykit-1 is not used just by kde
[15:00] <sitter_> there was something like this happening for linuxtag in berlin well in the past I think
[15:00] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Yeah, but it is only affecting kde, I guess
[15:00] <sitter_> since then I usually tell people to talk to the organizers and have stuff sent there
[15:01] <lfrlucas> At least this bug
[15:01] <sitter_> reduces the chances of something going wrong substantially
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: file a bug on launchpad and givr us the link
[15:01] <sitter_> it's a memleak in libpolkit
[15:01] <sitter_> nothing kde specific about it really
[15:02] <lfrlucas> sitter_: yeah
[15:02] <sitter_> just happens to have a sizable exposure point here
[15:07] <lfrlucas> I don't find a place on launchpad bugs to open new bug
[15:12] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: did you claim all your costs from the ubuntu fund?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> lfrlucas, open dolphin>Help>Report bug
[15:12] <Sick_Rimmit> No I didn't
[15:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: why should I not trust flickr?
[15:12] <Sick_Rimmit> I was going to claim post event, and send in receipts
[15:13] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: make sure you do, no reason why you should be out of pocket
[15:13] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: they don't usually ask for reciepts, it's a simple form, just fill it in http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[15:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: It's OK, I prefer to take this one on the chin, it's not fair to charge to community,
[15:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I'll use fund for another event instead
[15:14] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: dood, they have donation sitting in their bank account not being used, it needs to be claimed for
[15:22] <sitter_> maybe we should ask for some money to be sent to kde?
[15:25] <Riddell> well they won't do that which is why we need to claim as much as we can
[15:26] <sitter_> they dont Oo
[15:27] <sitter_> why that's not silly at all
[15:27] <sitter_> ah well
[15:27] <sitter_> anyway
[15:28]  * sitter_ out
[15:37] <Riddell> 15:33 < CoLa> Riddell: posters and stuff arrived today...  ← Sick_Rimmit 
[15:51] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1417637
[15:51] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: I discussed with ubuntu-devel guys, and they start pointing to kubuntu-devel channel
[15:59] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: because you started wrong
[15:59] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: please, in the future spell my name right
[16:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Doh! well just as we were saying, hey ho, ah well
[16:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: and whi am I the only one whos name doesn't start with a capital letter?
[16:00] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: they are asking if I can try the patch
[16:00] <ovidiu-florin> ovidiou is not my name
[16:01] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Well, I will try
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> and have you?
[16:01] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: I have no experience making debs, but they pointed me a link
[16:02] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sorry ovidiu, it doesn't mean I don't love and appreciate you!
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: you should have told them that there's a fix for a memory leak in polkit and it needs an update
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ;) I forgive you, this time :P
[16:03] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: I told them more than 1 time
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> and?
[16:04] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Then they ask me to made bug report. No we will test the patch
[16:04] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: They will maybe fix, after I confirm that patch works
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: if confirmation that in OpenSuse it works is not enough, then you'll just have to do a test yourself
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> sorry
[16:14] <lfrlucas> ovidiu-florin: Could you help here? http://pastebin.com/JCarGuH2
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please add me to https://trello.com/b/3s11MoXD/15-04 ?
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> lfrlucas: sorry, I'm not the right person to ask about packaging
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^^ please add me
[16:20] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: added
[16:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you using kf5?
[16:22] <_Groo_> can you make a quick test?
[16:22] <_Groo_> open systemsettings > regional settings > date e time, click on ntp and off again (just to activate the apply button), and press apply, it should freeze right there
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thannk you
[16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: i believe there might be a problem with the package and systemd permissions of some kind, this with utopic/ci
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: we don't use labels anymore?
[16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: if someone could test in vivid it would be useful
[16:24] <ovidiu-florin> _Groo_: what freezes?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> on noes
[16:26] <shadeslayer> sitter's gone
[16:26] <shadeslayer> I wanted to torment him with a java backtrace
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[16:27] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: the entire module
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> the KCM?
[16:28] <_Groo_> yeah
[16:28] <_Groo_> you press apply and it just sits there looking pretty until you kill him
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> libKF5KIOCore.so.5 was not found. but I have libkf5kiocore5 installed. I can't fnd a devel package. What am I missing?
[16:31] <_Groo_> libkf5kiocore5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5KIOCore.so.5
[16:31] <_Groo_> see if its there
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> yup, it's there
[16:34] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: are you calling the app via krunner?
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> brb
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> _Groo_: I'm sourcing this: https://paste.kde.org/ps6tn9tk5/5nl9ei
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> I'm sunning on 14.10 with Plasma 5
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> and that was written for a KDE4 env
[16:37] <_Groo_> the paste is pwd protected
[16:38] <_Groo_> nvm i was logged off :P
[16:39] <_Groo_> nah, still cant access it
[16:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: labels?
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: on trello
[16:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no I don't think so, just comments are usually fine
[16:52] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.7.1
[16:52] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417659
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't suppose you know of a reprepro command to cleanup things?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> jibbers christ
[17:04] <shadeslayer> reprepro sourcemissing | awk '{ print $4 }' | awk -F '/' '{ print $5}' | awk -F'_' '{ print $1 }'
[19:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: no, and that looks seriously scary XD
[19:29] <soee> hiho, someone working on KDE Applications 14.12.2 ?
[22:41] <koftes> hi
[22:42] <koftes> Network Manager / KWallet went crazy out of the blue, and Network Manager stopped connecting to my wlan.  When I try to open the connection settings it says "No agents were available for this request".
[22:42] <koftes> No other error information.  Any ideas?
[22:44] <shadeslayer> probably best ask in #kde-devel or some KDE support channel