[06:27] Good morning. [07:19] good morning [07:23] wtf [07:23] that mail on k-devel is making me go :@ [07:23] jebus [07:23] soee: top of the おはようold chap [07:24] that's like japanese posh english, alas I am not sure it's correct [07:25] ;D [07:31] sweet [07:31] somehow git.debian.org made KCI get stuck for the past 5 hours [09:37] Hi guys, I see that we now have two identical packages in vivid: kdevelop-python (synced from Debian) and kdev-python (our own) [09:37] Can we remove our own maybe? [09:43] shadeslayer: ^ [09:49] mitya57: I am reasonable certain one of those is python2 and the other is python3 [09:52] sitter: oh, you are right [09:52] the naming is exciting terrible though [09:52] though we have file conflicts [09:52] *excitingly [09:52] bug 1390743 [09:53] bug 1390743 in kdevelop-python (Ubuntu) "Missing Break/Replace with kdev-python 1.7.0-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390743 [09:56] there is no kdevelop-python upstream Oo [09:57] I think someone needs to talk to upstream and tell them that this is mighty confusing crap [09:58] mitya57: needs a conflicts, looking at the source the only difference between the two tarballs is the python they are looking for [09:58] http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/4.7.0/src/ [09:58] although the py2 one is much larger [09:59] ah it actually contains a python source copy :O [10:03] Maybe removing the py2 version will be easier than making it not-(co-)installable? [10:05] shipping a customized libpython is a terrible idea (i.e. from security PoV) [10:16] is it being shipped? [10:17] I think this really needs some cooridnation with upstream, because it is not very apparent what the expected lineup here is [10:17] also the naming is just bonkers [10:17] the differentiating factor between the two versions is a -py3 suffix -.- [10:35] sitter: yes, it's shipped as /usr/lib/libpython2.7-kdevelop.so.1.0 [10:39] mitya57: clearly upstream needs poking with a very very very pointy stick xD [10:41] not me :) [10:41] or at least not now [10:44] * mitya57 afk === tazz_ is now known as tazz [10:58] Darkwing_: what e-mail did you use for twitter? [10:58] Hint: da**@o***.** [10:58] it's locked me out [11:17] Riddell: how do we backport networkmanager-qt seeing as you made it want a newer networkmanager? :'< [11:19] mitya57, sitter: IIRC scummos embedded python to work around a bug which python upstream fixed in 3 but refused to backport to 2 because 2 is "frozen" [11:24] <_Groo_> hello guildies [11:24] <_Groo_> ops, wrong channel ;) [11:39] Darkwing_: yay got it [11:39] sitter: um dunno, make it depend on an older version? [11:44] err, if that works without issues then the version shouldn't have been updated to begin with... [11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: good morning [11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: any news on the 14.12 port ot utopic? [11:50] <_Groo_> to* [11:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw ksystemlog is still broken on utopic ci [11:50] probably just needs kate added to it [11:50] <_Groo_> when called with krunner [11:50] dunno when I'll get time, helpers needed [11:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: what needs kate? [11:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: oh you talking to yofel i believe [11:52] am I? [11:52] I'm pretty overloaded today [11:52] ovidiu-florin: ping, get home ok? [11:53] ovidiu-florin: what money do you need for the t-shirts? [11:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok, so you need kate added to what? [11:54] <_Groo_> for what purpose? what day is it? am i human? [11:54] the kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa [11:54] or maybe I mean the kate4 package [11:54] cos kate is now kf5 [11:54] so we need the kpart availble for stuff that expects it [11:55] <_Groo_> ah yes i see, katepart is still kde 4 [11:56] <_Groo_> but, apps 14.12 would go to ci or backports? [11:56] <_Groo_> wouldnt be better to have it in ci? why the need of 2 different ppas? [11:56] <_Groo_> once tested i agree it should move to backports, since its the oficial [11:56] <_Groo_> unless the work is almost done [12:07] Hey folks === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:55] Riddell: Just got home [13:55] I'll do the calculations today or tomorrow, afte I unpack and get greeted by everyone [14:02] was bluetooth supposed to be working in 14.10? [14:04] bluedevil is installed but it's not in the startup services anymore [14:04] why? [14:07] ovidiu-florin: bluedevil for kdelibs4 was on it but no bluedevil for kf5 [14:07] so no UI [14:08] oh [14:08] so currenntly on 14.10, I just need to start it manually [14:08] ovidiu-florin: can you claim the luggage money from ubuntu fund? (that way I can finish off my accounting for it now) [14:08] yeah [14:09] I'll make some calculations of the luggage and transportation and apply [14:09] but right now I'm very tired [14:09] I left the hotel at 4:50 AM [14:09] and just now got home [14:22] I'm knackered [14:22] maybe fosdem flu although I don't have any symptoms [14:22] too much alcohol [14:23] nonsence, belgium beer is really weak, it's like american beer watered down, nothing in it [14:23] Laura algo got a kind of flue [14:23] she had a fever last night [14:24] ovidiu-florin: a future career for you as a school teacher? https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/15815260473/ [14:24] Riddell: been there, done that :P [14:24] Riddell: do you trust Flickr? Why? [14:25] more importantly... why do you continue to insist on taking pictures of such terrible quality >.< [14:25] it's like picture form the 1950s scanned and put on flickr [14:25] that madness [14:26] he needs a new phone [14:26] I don't think he used a phone [14:26] IIRC he used a camera [14:26] s/phone/camera then [14:26] more like he needs a camera because he treats his phones like objects rather than smart beings [14:26] as I like to call it: a soap holder :P [14:27] * shadeslayer is sad because Google Apps for work is not free :( [14:27] shadeslayer: use Kolab :P [14:27] * sitter_ has a migrane [14:27] sitter_: what's with the tail? _______ [14:28] ovidiu-florin: still not free [14:28] and more expensive [14:28] it's post-nap wood [14:28] xD [14:28] :))))) [14:28] * sitter_ has better downstream bandwith again [14:28] alas, only slightly better [14:29] god [14:29] who is maintaining Muon Discover? [14:29] Spotify only has remastered versions of 80's music [14:29] such shite [14:29] ovidiu-florin: apol [14:29] sitter_: do you have a scripteroo to retry jobs on jenkins [14:30] I lost my smart script [14:30] :( [14:30] where are it's sources? [14:30] that thing is crawling with bugs [14:30] I want to see if I can squash a few [14:30] play around with QML [14:30] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035667/ [14:31] adjust to needs. I constantly do different thingsies and reuse the same script so I have no canoncial retry script anymore xD [14:32] ovidiu-florin: kde:muon === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [14:35] found it, thank you [14:35] plasma5 just crashed again.... [14:36] Hi! Should I expect a fix for this bug in Kubuntu 4.14 LTS? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934 [14:37] KDE bug 271934 in general "kded4 process grows on memory usage (possible leak)" [Normal,Resolved: upstream] [14:37] It seems that it was already fixed on upstream [14:38] normally LTS only gets security updates [14:38] We are using Kubuntu 14.04 in our university lab. Since we do a lot of ssh, this bug is quite severe for us. I would like if it would be solved, or if you have anyworkaround. Otherwise the only solution is to migrate to opensuse, which already fixed this bug [14:39] ovidiu-florin: This a huge memory leak. My kdeinit4 is using 800 mb right know. Isn't this kind of bug considered on LTS releases? [14:39] * ovidiu-florin is still analizing the bug report [14:39] ovidiu-florin: Thanks [14:40] I think it can be solved simply updating polkit-qt [14:44] ikonia: migrate to 15.04 LTS :) [14:44] lfrlucas: ^ [14:44] maybe not yet but hey, only ~2 months left [14:46] soe: Yeah but kde 15.04 will already use kde5 ? Maybe it is to early for an production environment [14:48] ikonia: depends what you want to do with it, im using Plasma 5 atm. on my production machines and all works pretty nice [14:48] lfrlucas: ^ [14:48] 15.04 isn't LTS [14:48] lfrlucas, yes, it's still too early, there are some issues like freezing apps and desktops that need resolving [14:48] Btw, I think this is a severe bug in a LTS release. If I remenber kubuntu 14.04 is supported 5 years? I don't understand how users can live with this leak. Every time o make ssh Your memory reduces 2-3 mb. A low memory machine will break in a few days [14:48] lfrlucas: you need to update policykit-1 http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/policykit-1 [14:49] ovidiu-florin: How can I update it? I keep system updated [14:49] sitter_: didn't notice you taking any photos at fosdem [14:50] Riddell: I was busy screwing my way around brussels obviously... [14:50] soee: 15.04 is no LTS [14:50] sitter_: I don't think one gets Kubuntu Devs that way [14:51] wouldn't that be a thing... phoronix "kubuntu developer screwed his way to the top" [14:52] sitter_: ah yes 16.04 it is [14:52] Sick_Rimmit: shame you couldn't be there, hope the family event was more cheerful remembering than sad times [14:52] lfrlucas: I don't think the Ubuntu folks have updated the package [14:52] Riddell: Thank you do much for thinking of me, that very kind [14:53] Riddell: I don't think the stuff I sent got there in time either did it ? [14:53] nope [14:53] Sick_Rimmit: ^ [14:53] ovidiu-florin: hmmm, but should I expect for an update, or I need to do it manually? [14:53] Riddell: did someone send the t-shirts to Sick_Rimmit ? [14:53] Riddell: I am very dissappointed that It all went wrong [14:54] Riddell: The posters looked superb :-( [14:54] Riddell: I had name badges with USB keys too [14:54] what went wrong? [14:54] lfrlucas: if you are able, check if the patch mentioned at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934#c121 which supposedly fixes it, is in the sources of the latest package === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik [14:55] sitter_: look what I had to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036028/ [14:55] :( [14:55] ovidiu-florin: it needs SRU paperwork filed and then a dev to upload fixed packages to utopic and trusty [14:55] well, vivid, utopic and trusty really [14:55] ovidiu-florin: it would be easier to update from deb... [14:55] KDE bug 271934 in general "kded4 process grows on memory usage (possible leak)" [Normal,Resolved: upstream] [14:55] and vivid [14:56] sitter_: Sick_Rimmit got called away to a family funeral [14:56] shadeslayer: lol client_without_path, good thing you had to have your paths :P [14:56] :( [14:56] scru u [14:56] Sick_Rimmit: no it didn't arrive alas, we managed to do with what we had so it's all good, just not as good as it would have been with you [14:56] the entire thing does look slightly weird [14:56] sitter_: so who should lfrlucas contact about this from Ubuntu? [14:57] that ifing along makes one suffer from vertigo [14:57] Riddell: My focus now is on next year now [14:57] Riddell: ah, how did the stuff not arrive though? [14:57] Sick_Rimmit: what about Akademy? [14:57] ovidiu-florin: filing a bug on lunchpad is a start ^^ [14:57] It was supposed to get there on 2 days, whcih would have been thursday [14:57] !SRU [14:57] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [14:57] ovidiu-florin: ^ [14:58] I checked the tracking on Friday am, and it was stilin Frakfurt [14:58] lfrlucas: so, best thing to do, is to file a bug on launchpad for this [14:58] Sick_Rimmit: you didn't send it to brussels? [14:58] ovidiu-florin: So, this problem should be reported on ubuntu? [14:58] or do parcels to brussels get routed through frankfurt? [14:58] sitter_: I did suggest that, but I was advised to send to Germany [14:59] ovidiu-florin, lfrlucas: do note that one would still need to find a dev to handle it, bugs easily get lost [14:59] Sick_Rimmit: to Andreas? [14:59] sitter_: Anyway, it was just all jolly bad luck [14:59] luyes [14:59] Sick_Rimmit: oha, well that sounds like the actual problem then ^^ [14:59] lfrlucas: yes* [14:59] ovidiu-florin: Yes to Andre [14:59] as I always say .. stuff needs to be sent to the venue [14:59] ovidiu-florin: Maybe they will not care becasue they are not using kde... [15:00] sitter_: if the staff is willing to receive it [15:00] On the plus side, though I can nw do Posters, Badges, and other merchandise, and get them produced and shipped anywhere, and am happy to do it too [15:00] ovidiu-florin: they usually are nice enough chaps to do so [15:00] lfrlucas: polocykit-1 is not used just by kde [15:00] there was something like this happening for linuxtag in berlin well in the past I think [15:00] ovidiu-florin: Yeah, but it is only affecting kde, I guess [15:00] since then I usually tell people to talk to the organizers and have stuff sent there [15:01] At least this bug [15:01] reduces the chances of something going wrong substantially [15:01] lfrlucas: file a bug on launchpad and givr us the link [15:01] it's a memleak in libpolkit [15:01] nothing kde specific about it really [15:02] sitter_: yeah [15:02] just happens to have a sizable exposure point here [15:07] I don't find a place on launchpad bugs to open new bug [15:12] Sick_Rimmit: did you claim all your costs from the ubuntu fund? [15:12] lfrlucas, open dolphin>Help>Report bug [15:12] No I didn't [15:12] ovidiu-florin: why should I not trust flickr? [15:12] I was going to claim post event, and send in receipts [15:13] Sick_Rimmit: make sure you do, no reason why you should be out of pocket [15:13] Sick_Rimmit: they don't usually ask for reciepts, it's a simple form, just fill it in http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/ [15:13] Riddell: It's OK, I prefer to take this one on the chin, it's not fair to charge to community, [15:13] Riddell: I'll use fund for another event instead [15:14] Sick_Rimmit: dood, they have donation sitting in their bank account not being used, it needs to be claimed for [15:22] maybe we should ask for some money to be sent to kde? [15:25] well they won't do that which is why we need to claim as much as we can [15:26] they dont Oo [15:27] why that's not silly at all [15:27] ah well [15:27] anyway [15:28] * sitter_ out [15:37] 15:33 < CoLa> Riddell: posters and stuff arrived today... ← Sick_Rimmit [15:51] ovidiu-florin: Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1417637 [15:51] Launchpad bug 1417637 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "Kdeinit4 is leaking memory on every ssh login due to known bug on policykit-1" [Undecided,New] [15:51] ovidiu-florin: I discussed with ubuntu-devel guys, and they start pointing to kubuntu-devel channel [15:59] lfrlucas: because you started wrong [15:59] Riddell: please, in the future spell my name right [16:00] Riddell: Doh! well just as we were saying, hey ho, ah well [16:00] Riddell: and whi am I the only one whos name doesn't start with a capital letter? [16:00] ovidiu-florin: they are asking if I can try the patch [16:00] ovidiou is not my name [16:01] ovidiu-florin: Well, I will try [16:01] and have you? [16:01] ovidiu-florin: I have no experience making debs, but they pointed me a link [16:02] ovidiu-florin: sorry ovidiu, it doesn't mean I don't love and appreciate you! [16:02] lfrlucas: you should have told them that there's a fix for a memory leak in polkit and it needs an update [16:03] Riddell: ;) I forgive you, this time :P [16:03] ovidiu-florin: I told them more than 1 time [16:03] and? [16:04] ovidiu-florin: Then they ask me to made bug report. No we will test the patch [16:04] ovidiu-florin: They will maybe fix, after I confirm that patch works [16:11] lfrlucas: if confirmation that in OpenSuse it works is not enough, then you'll just have to do a test yourself [16:11] sorry [16:14] ovidiu-florin: Could you help here? http://pastebin.com/JCarGuH2 [16:16] can someone please add me to https://trello.com/b/3s11MoXD/15-04 ? [16:17] lfrlucas: sorry, I'm not the right person to ask about packaging [16:19] Riddell: ^^ please add me [16:20] ovidiu-florin: added [16:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you using kf5? [16:22] <_Groo_> can you make a quick test? [16:22] <_Groo_> open systemsettings > regional settings > date e time, click on ntp and off again (just to activate the apply button), and press apply, it should freeze right there [16:23] Riddell: thannk you [16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: i believe there might be a problem with the package and systemd permissions of some kind, this with utopic/ci [16:23] Riddell: we don't use labels anymore? [16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: if someone could test in vivid it would be useful [16:24] _Groo_: what freezes? [16:26] on noes [16:26] sitter's gone [16:26] I wanted to torment him with a java backtrace [16:26] :D [16:27] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: the entire module [16:27] the KCM? [16:28] <_Groo_> yeah [16:28] <_Groo_> you press apply and it just sits there looking pretty until you kill him [16:30] libKF5KIOCore.so.5 was not found. but I have libkf5kiocore5 installed. I can't fnd a devel package. What am I missing? [16:31] <_Groo_> libkf5kiocore5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5KIOCore.so.5 [16:31] <_Groo_> see if its there [16:33] yup, it's there [16:34] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: are you calling the app via krunner? [16:34] brb [16:37] _Groo_: I'm sourcing this: https://paste.kde.org/ps6tn9tk5/5nl9ei [16:37] I'm sunning on 14.10 with Plasma 5 [16:37] and that was written for a KDE4 env [16:37] <_Groo_> the paste is pwd protected [16:38] <_Groo_> nvm i was logged off :P [16:39] <_Groo_> nah, still cant access it [16:40] ovidiu-florin: labels? [16:49] Riddell: on trello [16:52] ovidiu-florin: no I don't think so, just comments are usually fine [16:52] kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.7.1 [16:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417659 [17:00] yofel: I don't suppose you know of a reprepro command to cleanup things? [17:04] jibbers christ [17:04] reprepro sourcemissing | awk '{ print $4 }' | awk -F '/' '{ print $5}' | awk -F'_' '{ print $1 }' [19:02] shadeslayer: no, and that looks seriously scary XD [19:29] hiho, someone working on KDE Applications 14.12.2 ? [22:41] hi [22:42] Network Manager / KWallet went crazy out of the blue, and Network Manager stopped connecting to my wlan. When I try to open the connection settings it says "No agents were available for this request". [22:42] No other error information. Any ideas? [22:44] probably best ask in #kde-devel or some KDE support channel