=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:48] nautilus is harder than i thought to debug... i think i was overly ambitious in thinking i could fix this bug :( [06:09] Good morning [08:05] willcooke: thanks for reminder [08:15] mlankhorst, morning [08:17] mlankhorst, the Xmir changes/features that were discussed yesterday with Robert(?) - what's your thoughts on how long that will take? [08:18] mlankhorst, we're hoping to start pulling the various parts together from all over later on today [08:31] mlankhorst, also - do I need to download the Xmir bin from your web server, or is the PPA version ok? [08:32] willcooke: ppa is fine [08:32] mlankhorst, thx [09:10] Is there an equivalent of “ubuntu-bug” for attaching the relevant info to an existing bug report? “ubuntu-bug --help” doesn’t give any clues [09:10] Ah, it’s apport-collect [09:10] mpt, apport-collect [09:11] Snap :-) [09:11] (but thanks) [09:13] mpt, my messages have to travel a long way! [09:14] That’s true, at least 11000 km to get to me [09:19] mpt, yep which for physics says it should take fuck all time, assuming most stuff is light in fibres, but yet I get the fun of trying to type with 5secs latency sometimes ;( [09:20] (when sshing to far off servers) [09:23] darkxst, this reminds me of the case of the university department that couldn’t send e-mail to anyone more than 500 miles away. [09:33] mpt, our uni uses google email, surely that is not the problem [09:33] local dominate ISP on the other hand, no so sure [09:41] qengho, smooth scrolling in Chromium - it's really nice! Any reason we couldn't/shouldn't turn it on by default? [09:43] mlankhorst, are you free for a Hangout now? [09:45] I'm sick :/ [09:45] mlankhorst, can we quiz you over IRC quick? [09:45] sure [09:45] mlankhorst, we just need a couple of things [09:46] (1) where is the xmir source you're building from? [09:46] I maintain the patches in quilt, so basically what's in the ppa is the source [09:47] git's done on top of that to version the quilt patches, but if you want to send me patches just add them as a separate patch from the xmir standalone patch please so I can apply it :) [09:48] ok [09:49] (2) we need surface resize propagation for our demo, if I could get you and duflu to talk about this today it would make me happy [09:49] for rootless you mean? [09:51] mlankhorst, yes [09:53] I think it should propogate, if it doesn't it's a bug.. [10:00] seb128 [10:00] Jai1C000lpwd [10:01] sh demomir [10:01] Jai1C000lpwd [10:01] vi demomir [10:01] :q! [10:01] :q! [10:01] nothing to see here [10:01] #FAIL [10:02] sudo restart lightdm [10:02] sudo restart systgemcl lightdm [10:02] LOL [10:02] seb128, please buy something on your credit card [10:02] or * sudo restart seb128 [10:03] mlankhorst, is there a project in Launchpad for XMir? A place we can file bugs? [10:04] heh that seemed to have worked! [10:05] darkxst: what would you say if I told you we were thinking about going to gtk 3.15? [10:06] (mainly because overlay scrollbars upstream) [10:06] Laney, not even sure why you are asking that, ofc I would say yeas [10:06] jus' checkin [10:07] bregma: not right now [10:07] Laney, ok fine here, have noticed some theme bugs though while testing totem menu's [10:07] on unity? [10:07] yeh [10:08] lalala [10:08] * seb128 haz new pwd! [10:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHhwvTJyMU [10:09] seb128: is it 'lalala'? [10:09] DAMN [10:09] I 'ate you [10:10] ;p [10:10] om nom [10:10] Laney, though I was running jhbuilds of gtk 3.15 in a VM running unity [10:10] will keep a look out [10:11] the only thing I noticed so far i https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=07fe194eb60aa9ec2eacdafdb4ba6ac91a636f34 [10:11] is [10:12] Laney, can I get a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/new-nm-build/+merge/248346 [10:38] Not having much luck with Xmir on my phone today [10:42] Xmir loads ok, but then running for example xeyes causes Xmir to disappear from the screen, but it is still running [10:46] hmm.. [10:47] Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/clean-deprecations-warnings/+merge/248354 :-) [10:47] I'll poke at it more tomorrow then [10:57] mlankhorst, thx [11:24] * davmor2 lends mlankhorst his poking stick http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130608205126/finalfantasy/images/b/b4/Type-0_Lance.png :) [11:29] ow [11:37] no idea how I manage to break so much [11:44] perhaps with such a large poking stick? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:22] cyphermox, hey, are you aware of issues between n-m and ofono in vivid/desktop? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:23] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720489 looks like a bug for desrt [13:23] Gnome bug 720489 in gio "crash in rate_limiter_free" [Critical,New] [13:25] larsu: hi, Alberts has a fix that makes CSD windows resizable, can you look at it? [13:25] https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/ubuntu-themes/csd-window-shadow-and-resize-area/+merge/248349 [13:26] mitya57: I told you before, I won't merge this until compiz has GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS [13:26] and windows are resizable for me right now [13:26] they aren't when I add the shadow [13:27] should probably also set the csd class [13:27] * larsu comments [13:28] larsu: sorry, I didn't remember that you told me about it [13:30] no worries [13:31] resizing does not work for me with the current code on metacity/gnome-shell === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:50] mitya57: ah, right. Still, we can't break default unity to fix this [13:53] however this bug is being worked on [13:53] we've been abusing the relevant developer ;-) [13:55] I wonder if it's possible to get fancy close/minimize/maximize buttons on CSD windows === bregma_ is now known as bregma [13:58] I have been wondering that myself [13:58] I think it should be doable [13:59] GTK+ Inspector says that those buttons have only "button" and "titlebutton" classes [14:00] There should be something else to make each button unique [14:01] not each button, but the close button [14:02] unless we want to not use icons for those buttons, but complete pixmaps [14:02] which I guess is what we're doing now` [14:02] ? [14:03] Oh, is the close button just window-close-symbolic from the theme? [14:03] Looks like it is [14:03] But symbolic icons can't be colored :( [14:09] yes they can [14:10] ...ish [14:11] desrt, mitya57: http://i.imgur.com/WJy12BW.png [14:13] But that is just one color, we can't have black cross in orange circle, can we? [14:14] yes [14:14] you can have 4 colours [14:14] and they are all decided by the theme (css) [14:15] the main colour (which is defined as equal to the same colour as text), plus three others used to show 'success' 'warning' and 'fail' [14:15] (typically green yellow and red) [14:15] Nice [14:24] desrt: not even that, we just need to set a background color on the background [14:25] and you can't set those colors from css, btw [14:30] cyphermox, there? I've nm/bt issue, could use your wisdom :-) [14:31] what's up? [14:32] if you say nm/bt, do you mean using a bluetooth device for DUN (network connection) ? [14:32] I overheard it might be broken in gnome-bluetooth 3.14 [14:32] cyphermox, I mean that if I activate bluetooth n-m and bluetoothd sigtrap/sigsegv [14:32] on vivid [14:32] ah? [14:33] have you reported the bug on LP? [14:33] cyphermox, not yet, just hit it [14:33] cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035697/ [14:33] ok [14:34] ah, yes [14:34] I forgot about that one [14:34] known? [14:34] you could unpair your phone to make things work properly for now [14:34] yeah, it's "known", RAOF told me last week [14:35] I'll fix it nao [14:35] great [14:35] is there a bug report? [14:35] how do I unpair my phone? [14:35] and which phone? ;-) [14:35] any phone [14:35] oh, but you said bluetoothd was crashing? [14:35] yes [14:35] hrm [14:36] could you report both on LP? [14:36] sure can [14:36] as for unpairing the phone, stop ofono and see if you can do it from gnome-bluetooth then [14:37] cyphermox, speaking about ofono, quite of us (at a sprint) are having issues on vivid desktop with it [14:37] needed to stop it to get a working/stable connection [14:37] on the phone you mean? [14:37] no, vivid desktop [14:37] it shouldn't affect desktop in any way [14:37] but with unity8 installed which installs ofono [14:37] let me get awe here [14:37] yeah [14:38] I have it too, but not issues [14:38] ah, wait, no I don't [14:38] cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035779/ is the bt backtrace [14:39] cyphermox, could be due to n-m exiting [14:39] maybe, yeah. I wouldn't know otherwise [14:40] going to start with fixing the NM issue, then we'll see if it's still a problem [14:40] cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1416635 [14:40] Launchpad bug 1416635 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager crashed with signal 5 in ASSERT_VALID_PATH_COMPONENT()" [High,Confirmed] [14:40] so, I have no idea why ofono would affect wifi in any way, but I'll try to get awe here, so he can help debug that [14:40] cyphermox, thanks [14:41] he's not around yet it seems [14:41] no hurry [14:41] start by ^ I guess :-) [14:41] yeah [14:43] willcooke: I like Cr smooth scrolling, and I use it. I want to learn why upstream doesn't enable it before I change it. [14:43] cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1416505 is the bluetoothd segfault [14:43] Error: launchpad bug 1416505 not found [14:44] qengho, sounds very sane :) thanks === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [15:04] seb128: thanks [15:08] cyphermox, seb128, ofono desktop problems? tell me more... [15:08] anything you can think of to affect wifi ? [15:08] I really don't see how ;) [15:09] Laney, ^ do you have a description of the issue? [15:09] awe_, several of us have issues connecting when ofono is running [15:09] let me boot my test machine again to see what happens exactly :-) [15:09] seb128: at least as a "first" step, if you could file a bug in LP and make sure to include debug logs from NetworkManager (/var/log/syslog, but with NM set to debug) that could help [15:09] some people have n-m disconnecting frequently iirc [15:10] cyphermox, where do you set debug? [15:10] and it goes away when ofono is stopped? [15:10] yes [15:10] seb128, why is ofono running on the desktop? [15:10] seb128: -d, --debug Don't become a daemon, and log to stderr [15:10] MM is our software of choice for mobile data support on the desktop [15:10] awe_, because its upstart job starts on dbus started [15:10] that could work to start in on a cmdline and log stuffs. ^ [15:10] the upstart file does nothing to stop it from starting [15:11] I don't know why it's a problem though [15:11] seb128, and we're seeding it by default now? [15:11] awe_: the issue is that we get both MM and ofono on desktop-next, and that should be just fine [15:11] awe_, no, but quite some of us hack on unity8 [15:11] and that's pulled it by it [15:11] in [15:11] cyphermox, ummm... I thought there was to be some kind of discussion before that happened? [15:11] we'd talked about whitelist vs. blacklist? [15:11] seb128, ack [15:12] awe_: irrelevant, it shouldn't be doing anything if there is no modem. [15:12] please... [15:12] apparently it's *not* irrelevant [15:12] ;) [15:12] plus this is desktop-next, not ubuntu-desktop [15:12] please... [15:12] cyphermox, just coming up to speed dude [15:12] sure [15:13] seb128, so by default, ofono uses a builtin udev plugin to determine whether or not to try and initialize/talk to the modem [15:13] but why would any of this break wifi connections? [15:13] cyphermox, it shouldn't [15:13] damn right ;) [15:13] awe_: by just coming up to speed now, do you actually mean I've nearly finished my 3rd coffee? [15:13] cyphermox, we don't use the udev plugin on touch [15:14] ok... [15:14] davmor2: first coffee not finished. [15:14] davmor2, ;/ [15:14] me neither [15:14] seb128, can you do a grep for 'ofonod' in syslog and pastebin it? [15:15] awe_, cyphermox: there's your problem right there you don't drink them fast enough ;) [15:15] seb128, also a quick dump of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems might be useful too [15:15] davmor2, your at least 4h ahead of me!!! [15:15] I'm on maybe my 2nd cup [15:16] awe_: there *is* the bluetooth device... seb128, that could be your failing connection if NM continuously restarts due to the crash. [15:16] awe_: I take my 2nd or third up to work with me :) [15:16] awe_, cyphermox, is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036296/ useful [15:16] but it's dependent on having a modem paired and ofono running, etc. [15:16] cyphermox, that test laptop doesn't have bt I think [15:16] mlankhorst: I commented on bug #1400626 regarding missing Provides: or such [15:16] bug 1400626 in xtrans (Ubuntu) "Please backport xtrans, libdrm, x11proto-{fonts,core} packages for 14.04.2" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1400626 [15:16] seb128: nothing special in that pastebin. [15:17] actual functionality seems great with the upcoming 14.04.2 hwe [15:17] seb128, I don't see any messages from ofono itself [15:17] just that NM sees it come alive [15:18] seb128, can you pastebin the list-modems output? [15:21] awe_, cyphermox, journal is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036359/ [15:21] awe_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036374/ is modems [15:21] BT bingo [15:22] so this could be a weird BT interaction, which causes WiFi to disconnect [15:22] hmm, but we already knew about that [15:22] awe_: NM crash would be a good enough reason for wifi to disconnect [15:22] ack [15:22] seb128: I thought there was something else [15:22] list-modems just confirms there's no cellular modem [15:22] ( which I didn't know yet ) [15:22] cyphermox, I though that was something else, I don't have a phone paired on that laptop === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [15:23] sorry about that [15:23] * seb128 unpairs and reboot [15:23] Laney, did you have n-m to crash as well? [15:23] according to ofono; you would at some point -- it remembers these devices unfortunately. [15:24] k [15:24] Laney and didrocks had some other issues it seems [15:24] if that's the only thing, I'm relieved [15:24] wifi would timeout/not connect for them [15:24] ok [15:24] me too [15:24] ;D [15:24] and that went away stopping ofono? [15:24] seems so [15:25] Laney is going to try again [15:26] we really shouldn't be running ofono by default. this could break someone's 3g that previously worked via MM [15:28] seb128: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/ubuntu/nv-build/+sourcepub/4752998/+listing-archive-extra for trying. should be done building shortly. [15:28] brb [15:28] cyphermox, thanks [15:29] cyphermox, thanks, going to try that after our meeting [15:30] It's meeting time ! [15:31] attente_ desrt dgadomski_ didrocks FJKong, happyaron Laney larsu mlankhorst qengho Sweet5hark, hey [15:31] meeting! [15:31] seb128: you're running the meeting today? [15:31] hey o/ [15:31] larsu, ja [15:31] where is willcooke? [15:31] in a phone call [15:31] too bad [15:31] [15:31] yeah :/ [15:31] willcooke: close your tags! [15:32] larsu: it's HTML5. update your parser, punk. [15:32] ok, let's get started [15:32] larsu, I haven't finished yet [15:32] desrt: how does the browser know when he finishes [15:32] willcooke: I knew you'd say that :P [15:32] #start meeting [15:32] #startmeeting [15:32] Meeting started Tue Feb 3 15:32:47 2015 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:32] hi meetingology! [15:32] ok, let's get started [15:32] #topic attente_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente_ [15:33] attente_, hey [15:33] kernel bisecting [15:33] that's all [15:33] that involves heavy drinking? [15:33] *glug glug glug* [15:33] coke [15:33] or is that reserved for kernel hacking? ;-) [15:34] thanks attente_ [15:34] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: desrt [15:34] hey [15:34] hey :-) [15:34] hi [15:34] was at the documentation and developer experience hackfest in cambridge last week [15:34] this was really extremely productive [15:35] wrote some howdoi documentation and a blog post that got me unblacklisted from the gnome foundation travel sponsorship [15:35] also merged support for automatic variable cleanup to glib (aka __attribute__((cleanup)) aka g_autoptr) [15:35] also merge G_DECLARE_*_TYPE to glib which makes it easier to subclass GObject (less junk in all your headers) [15:35] also merged GListModel after a long time [15:36] working now on merging GSimpleIOStream (probably within 10 minutes) [15:36] also adding some misc APIs to GSettings to help larsu [15:36] and had lots of talks about the future of how we will do docs in GNOME [15:36] thanks for the review on those :P [15:36] - Bugs. [15:36] :) [15:36] back! [15:37] also went to FOSDEM and met with a lot of really cool people [15:37] and got very sick [15:37] bleh [15:37] that's al [15:37] desrt, get better! [15:37] desrt, thanks [15:37] +l [15:37] [15:37] desrt: stay on the other room please [15:37] :) [15:37] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski [15:37] dgadomski, hey [15:37] hey [15:37] - got help from TheMuso and diwic on bug #1414706, thanks! [15:38] bug 1414706 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[20ALCTO1WW, Realtek ALC292, Black Mic, Left][Lenovo ThinkPad X240] external mic has no sound at all" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414706 [15:38] No other topics this week, thanks for all the help so far. [15:38] thanks dgadomski [15:38] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: didrocks [15:38] didrocks, hey [15:38] hey! [15:38] ubuntu make [15:38] * new awesome contributions on ubuntu make! In progress: rubymine, pycharm professional, pycharm educational, webstorm, phpstorm [15:38] * merged and reviews some contributions like fixing eclipse [15:38] systemd [15:38] * rebased and prepared to patch to upstream ML systemd-fsckd patches [15:38] * revamp the patches with first upstream review [15:38] * more discussion with Lennart, larsu and desrt on how to do better epoll. Just got great enhancement implemented (epoll version working!) [15:38] * in progress: libplymouth integration discussion on fsckd patch… [15:38] * hackfest on friday, got a finally agreed strategy with upstream on how we should deal with default jobs enablement in debian and ubuntu. Will try to get that in ubuntu before feature freeze. [15:38] misc [15:38] * FOSDEM, being stuck for a day in the desktop room and trying to get speakers to pay attention to remaining talk time! [15:38] didrocks: \o/ [15:39] didrocks, ? [15:39] FIVE MINUTES, F%$CKER [15:39] ^ didrocks this weekend [15:39] * seb128 blocked in a poll [15:39] seb128: trolling! :) [15:39] . [15:39] ^_^ [15:39] seb128: double trolling! [15:39] and please [15:39] use epoll [15:39] not poll [15:39] :) [15:39] * seb128 notes down for next time [15:39] thanks didrocks [15:39] * desrt mentions kqueue [15:40] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: FJKong [15:40] FJKong_, hey, there? [15:40] hey [15:40] sponsor for sogou skin preview crash, solved already. [15:40] verify skin preview in other desktop env. done [15:40] switch to some skin status bar icon can't respose rightly, solved already. [15:40] plan new feature for sogou pinyin. [15:40] create dash pinyin search project and add blueprint [15:40] eof [15:41] FJKong_, thanks [15:41] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: happyaron [15:41] happyaron, hey [15:41] seb128: hey [15:42] this week I spent most of my time working on sogoupinyin, covers stuff that FJKong_ doesn't cover to make it release. and yesterday the new major version get online. [15:42] over, :) [15:43] thanks happyaron [15:43] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney [15:43] Laney, hey [15:43] • Random icon theme moves, fixes to notify-osd icons and so on (remove BDs in main, should be able to be demoted soon) [15:43] • Properly fix activity-log-manager to allow disabling of GNOME panel, SRU this to T to fix double icons. [15:43] • webkit update & SRU [15:43] • file-roller toolbar visual fix [15:43] • blacklist gnome-system-monitor in o-s, upload 3.14 with headerbar as toolbar (thanks darkxst) [15:43] • start working on gtk 3.15 with a view to testing it for upload to vivid, couple of issues [15:43] ∘ gnome-terminal https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743395 [15:43] Gnome bug 743395 in general "Regression in gnome-terminal starting with gtk commit 27285f1 ' cssstyle: Have a default style'" [Normal,New] [15:43] ∘ gtk itself https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8e8a94bc23b782777d3071d10c7847c5b49442d8 (needs a new release for this fix) [15:43] • work on gnome-terminal utopic to vivid migration, think we've got it figured out now, but needs a wrapper script :( :( :( [15:43] • hi from Brussels: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10978510_10101452804412108_3395070566085161518_n.jpg?oh=042e8e7093e876a12f7946aea00c48cb&oe=555EB244&__gda__=1431383122_003efa50c16ca4f971cf26a55e3e2d3e [15:44] ☕ [15:44] g-s-m without o-s, lame! [15:44] o-s will DIE soon [15:44] don't be a murder [15:44] we'll keep the gtk2 version [15:44] only half murder [15:44] the law says this is okay [15:44] thanks Laney [15:44] let's move on [15:45] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: larsu [15:45] hey larsu! [15:45] hey sorry [15:45] [15:58] larsu: you mentioned something about spinners, does that mean that spinners work in Ambiance and gtk3.14 now? [15:59] ochosi: yes [15:59] sweet, any commit you could point me to that fixed that? [15:59] Hey all: Live Ask Ubuntu Anything live in 5 minutes: http://ubuntuonair.com | #ubuntu-on-air [16:00] ochosi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/more-gtk-314-fixes/revision/414 [16:00] holy moly :) [16:00] thanks larsu! [16:00] ochosi: you also need this, because the above commit breaks unity-greeter's password entries and playbeack menu items in the sound menu: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/unity-greeter-pw-entry [16:01] and also you need the latest versions of unity-greeter-gtk and libido [16:02] mmm, good to know [16:02] * ochosi bookmarks for later copy paste [16:04] larsu: latest libido is already in vivid? [16:07] ochosi: yes [16:12] ok, ty [16:12] cyphermox, still segfaults [16:12] with your ppa [16:16] cyphermox, log has NetworkManagerUtils.c:1224:nm_utils_ip6_property_pathh: assertion failed: (len < sizeof(path) -1 ) [16:23] Agh [16:37] * cyphermox sighs [16:38] seb128: there will be another soon ;) [16:38] cyphermox, btw, bzoltan was really really grumpy, your last NM change changed nmcli so ´much that phablet-network doesnt work anymore [16:38] cyphermox: another upload? 1.0? :-) [16:38] pitti: nah, just fixing the bugs still ;) [16:38] cyphermox, would probably be good to have that in the test plan [16:39] ogra_: heh, it also broke python-dbusmock (I'll look into that asap) [16:39] pitti, yeah, we need some way to have re-deps tested before major version bumps i think [16:39] it can't have broken python-dbusmock that bad [16:39] ogra_: that's what autopkgtests are for [16:39] cyphermox, lol [16:39] right [16:40] well, it is [16:40] now add PPAs to eth equation :P [16:40] *the [16:40] ogra_: right; usually that's autopkgtset, but we don't currently cover reverse test depends (only build and binary) [16:40] and hackish scripts that only exist for user convenience [16:40] had I known people were relying so heavily on nmcli it would have been in the tests in a much clearer way.... and I would have told them not to ;) [16:40] cyphermox: nah, I'm sure it's simple, don't worry [16:40] pitti: yeah... the API didn't really change much [16:41] unless it's looking at some specific log messages or nmcli [16:41] well, the nmcli output format has changed [16:41] and the set of commands too [16:42] thats what bites phablet-network apparently [16:42] (i havent really looked yet) [16:42] yes, that's what would [16:42] phablet-network largely does csreen scraping [16:42] *screen [16:43] except they're in their right to change how nmcli works, and I think I remember seeing something about not screen scraping it ;) [16:43] cyphermox: I had it working with Debian's 0.9.10 not too long ago, so I guess the remaining diff is simple [16:43] pitti: guess so [17:46] cyphermox, do you know if there is documentation somewhere on the protocol to pair a bt device? [18:11] cyphermox, saw my question earlier? [18:17] Yes [18:18] By protocol you mean command lines / dbus methods, or the actual specification? [18:29] cyphermox, trying to see how pairing a ssp device is supposed to work [18:29] like what dbus calls between settings and bluez [21:54] K, so I'm trying to override ctest [21:55] And it's being... difficult. [21:55] Anyone know of an example of doing an dh_override_auto_test with ctest? [23:16] tedg, what's so complicated? isn't this just like any other override?