[01:48] <furkan> nautilus is harder than i thought to debug... i think i was overly ambitious in thinking i could fix this bug :(
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[08:05] <desrt> willcooke: thanks for reminder
[08:15] <willcooke> mlankhorst, morning
[08:17] <willcooke> mlankhorst, the Xmir changes/features that were discussed yesterday with Robert(?) - what's your thoughts on how long that will take?
[08:18] <willcooke> mlankhorst, we're hoping to start pulling the various parts together from all over later on today
[08:31] <willcooke> mlankhorst, also - do I need to download the Xmir bin from your web server, or is the PPA version ok?
[08:32] <mlankhorst> willcooke: ppa is fine
[08:32] <willcooke> mlankhorst, thx
[09:10] <mpt> Is there an equivalent of “ubuntu-bug” for attaching the relevant info to an existing bug report? “ubuntu-bug --help” doesn’t give any clues
[09:10] <mpt> Ah, it’s apport-collect
[09:10] <darkxst> mpt, apport-collect
[09:11] <mpt> Snap :-)
[09:11] <mpt> (but thanks)
[09:13] <darkxst> mpt, my messages have to travel a long way!
[09:14] <mpt> That’s true, at least 11000 km to get to me
[09:19] <darkxst> mpt, yep which for physics says it should take fuck all time, assuming most stuff is light in fibres, but yet I get the fun of trying to type with 5secs latency sometimes ;(
[09:20] <darkxst> (when sshing to far off servers)
[09:23] <mpt> darkxst, this reminds me of the case of the university department that couldn’t send e-mail to anyone more than 500 miles away. <http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html>
[09:33] <darkxst> mpt,  our uni uses google email, surely that is not the problem
[09:33] <darkxst> local dominate ISP on the other hand, no so sure
[09:41] <willcooke> qengho, smooth scrolling in Chromium - it's really nice!  Any reason we couldn't/shouldn't turn it on by default?
[09:43] <willcooke> mlankhorst, are you free for a Hangout now?
[09:45] <mlankhorst> I'm sick :/
[09:45] <willcooke> mlankhorst, can we quiz you over IRC quick?
[09:45] <mlankhorst> sure
[09:45] <bregma> mlankhorst, we just need a couple of things
[09:46] <bregma> (1) where is the xmir source you're building from?
[09:46] <mlankhorst> I maintain the patches in quilt, so basically what's in the ppa is the source
[09:47] <mlankhorst> git's done on top of that to version the quilt patches, but if you want to send me patches just add them as a separate patch from the xmir standalone patch please so I can apply it :)
[09:48] <bregma> ok
[09:49] <bregma> (2) we need surface resize propagation for our demo, if I could get you and duflu to talk about this today it would make me happy
[09:49] <mlankhorst> for rootless you mean?
[09:51] <bregma> mlankhorst, yes
[09:53] <mlankhorst> I think it should propogate, if it doesn't it's a bug..
[10:00] <seb128> seb128
[10:00] <seb128> Jai1C000lpwd
[10:01] <seb128> sh demomir
[10:01] <seb128> Jai1C000lpwd
[10:01] <seb128> vi demomir
[10:01] <seb128> :q!
[10:01] <seb128> :q!
[10:01] <willcooke> nothing to see here
[10:01] <Laney> #FAIL
[10:02] <seb128> sudo restart lightdm
[10:02] <seb128> sudo restart systgemcl lightdm
[10:02] <Trevinho> LOL
[10:02] <willcooke> seb128, please buy something on your credit card
[10:02] <darkxst> or * sudo restart seb128
[10:03] <bregma> mlankhorst, is there a project in Launchpad for XMir?  A place we can file bugs?
[10:04] <darkxst> heh that seemed to have worked!
[10:05] <Laney> darkxst: what would you say if I told you we were thinking about going to gtk 3.15?
[10:06] <Laney> (mainly because overlay scrollbars upstream)
[10:06] <darkxst> Laney, not even sure why you are asking that, ofc I would say yeas
[10:06] <Laney> jus' checkin
[10:07] <mlankhorst> bregma: not right now
[10:07] <darkxst> Laney, ok fine here, have noticed some theme bugs though while testing totem menu's
[10:07] <Laney> on unity?
[10:07] <darkxst> yeh
[10:08] <seb128> lalala
[10:08]  * seb128 haz new pwd!
[10:09] <mlankhorst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHhwvTJyMU
[10:09] <larsu> seb128: is it 'lalala'?
[10:09] <seb128> DAMN
[10:09] <seb128> I 'ate you
[10:10] <seb128> ;p
[10:10] <Laney> om nom
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, though I was running jhbuilds of gtk 3.15 in a VM running unity
[10:10] <Laney> will keep a look out
[10:11] <Laney> the only thing I noticed so far i https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=07fe194eb60aa9ec2eacdafdb4ba6ac91a636f34
[10:11] <Laney> is
[10:12] <seb128> Laney, can I get a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/new-nm-build/+merge/248346
[10:38] <willcooke> Not having much luck with Xmir on my phone today
[10:42] <willcooke> Xmir loads ok, but then running for example xeyes causes Xmir to disappear from the screen, but it is still running
[10:46] <mlankhorst> hmm..
[10:47] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/clean-deprecations-warnings/+merge/248354 :-)
[10:47] <mlankhorst> I'll poke at it more tomorrow then
[10:57] <willcooke> mlankhorst, thx
[11:24]  * davmor2 lends mlankhorst his poking stick http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130608205126/finalfantasy/images/b/b4/Type-0_Lance.png :)
[11:29] <mlankhorst> ow
[11:37] <davmor2> no idea how I manage to break so much
[11:44] <mlankhorst> perhaps with such a large poking stick?
[12:22] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, are you aware of issues between n-m and ofono in vivid/desktop?
[13:23] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720489 looks like a bug for desrt
[13:25] <mitya57> larsu: hi, Alberts has a fix that makes CSD windows resizable, can you look at it?
[13:25] <mitya57> https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/ubuntu-themes/csd-window-shadow-and-resize-area/+merge/248349
[13:26] <larsu> mitya57: I told you before, I won't merge this until compiz has GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS
[13:26] <larsu> and windows are resizable for me right now
[13:26] <larsu> they aren't when I add the shadow
[13:27] <larsu> should probably also set the csd class
[13:27]  * larsu comments
[13:28] <mitya57> larsu: sorry, I didn't remember that you told me about it
[13:30] <larsu> no worries
[13:31] <mitya57> resizing does not work for me with the current code on metacity/gnome-shell
[13:50] <larsu> mitya57: ah, right. Still, we can't break default unity to fix this
[13:53] <Laney> however this bug is being worked on
[13:53] <Laney> we've been abusing the relevant developer ;-)
[13:55] <mitya57> I wonder if it's possible to get fancy close/minimize/maximize buttons on CSD windows
[13:58] <larsu> I have been wondering that myself
[13:58] <larsu> I think it should be doable
[13:59] <mitya57> GTK+ Inspector says that those buttons have only "button" and "titlebutton" classes
[14:00] <mitya57> There should be something else to make each button unique
[14:01] <larsu> not each button, but the close button
[14:02] <larsu> unless we want to not use icons for those buttons, but complete pixmaps
[14:02] <larsu> which I guess is what we're doing now`
[14:02] <larsu> ?
[14:03] <mitya57> Oh, is the close button just window-close-symbolic from the theme?
[14:03] <mitya57> Looks like it is
[14:03] <mitya57> But symbolic icons can't be colored :(
[14:09] <larsu> yes they can
[14:10] <desrt> ...ish
[14:11] <larsu> desrt, mitya57: http://i.imgur.com/WJy12BW.png
[14:13] <mitya57> But that is just one color, we can't have black cross in orange circle, can we?
[14:14] <desrt> yes
[14:14] <desrt> you can have 4 colours
[14:14] <desrt> and they are all decided by the theme (css)
[14:15] <desrt> the main colour (which is defined as equal to the same colour as text), plus three others used to show 'success' 'warning' and 'fail'
[14:15] <desrt> (typically green yellow and red)
[14:15] <mitya57> Nice
[14:24] <larsu> desrt: not even that, we just need to set a background color on the background
[14:25] <larsu> and you can't set those colors from css, btw
[14:30] <seb128> cyphermox, there? I've nm/bt issue, could use your wisdom :-)
[14:31] <cyphermox> what's up?
[14:32] <cyphermox> if you say nm/bt, do you mean using a bluetooth device for DUN (network connection) ?
[14:32] <cyphermox> I overheard it might be broken in gnome-bluetooth 3.14
[14:32] <seb128> cyphermox, I mean that if I activate bluetooth n-m and bluetoothd sigtrap/sigsegv
[14:32] <seb128> on vivid
[14:32] <cyphermox> ah?
[14:33] <cyphermox> have you reported the bug on LP?
[14:33] <seb128> cyphermox, not yet, just hit it
[14:33] <seb128> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035697/
[14:33] <cyphermox> ok
[14:34] <cyphermox> ah, yes
[14:34] <cyphermox> I forgot about that one
[14:34] <seb128> known?
[14:34] <cyphermox> you could unpair your phone to make things work properly for now
[14:34] <cyphermox> yeah, it's "known", RAOF told me last week
[14:35] <cyphermox> I'll fix it nao
[14:35] <seb128> great
[14:35] <seb128> is there a bug report?
[14:35] <seb128> how do I unpair my phone?
[14:35] <seb128> and which phone? ;-)
[14:35] <cyphermox> any phone
[14:35] <cyphermox> oh, but you said bluetoothd was crashing?
[14:35] <seb128> yes
[14:35] <cyphermox> hrm
[14:36] <cyphermox> could you report both on LP?
[14:36] <seb128> sure can
[14:36] <cyphermox> as for unpairing the phone, stop ofono and see if you can do it from gnome-bluetooth then
[14:37] <seb128> cyphermox, speaking about ofono, quite of us (at a sprint) are having issues on vivid desktop with it
[14:37] <seb128> needed to stop it to get a working/stable connection
[14:37] <cyphermox> on the phone you mean?
[14:37] <seb128> no, vivid desktop
[14:37] <cyphermox> it shouldn't affect desktop in any way
[14:37] <seb128> but with unity8 installed which installs ofono
[14:37] <cyphermox> let me get awe here
[14:37] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:38] <cyphermox> I have it too, but not issues
[14:38] <cyphermox> ah, wait, no I don't
[14:38] <seb128> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10035779/ is the bt backtrace
[14:39] <seb128> cyphermox, could be due to n-m exiting
[14:39] <cyphermox> maybe, yeah. I wouldn't know otherwise
[14:40] <cyphermox> going to start with fixing the NM issue, then we'll see if it's still a problem
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1416635
[14:40] <cyphermox> so, I have no idea why ofono would affect wifi in any way, but I'll try to get awe here, so he can help debug that
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:41] <cyphermox> he's not around yet it seems
[14:41] <seb128> no hurry
[14:41] <seb128> start by ^ I guess :-)
[14:41] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:43] <qengho> willcooke: I like Cr smooth scrolling, and I use it. I want to learn why upstream doesn't enable it before I change it.
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1416505 is the bluetoothd segfault
[14:44] <willcooke> qengho, sounds very sane :)  thanks
[15:04] <cyphermox> seb128: thanks
[15:08] <awe_> cyphermox, seb128, ofono desktop problems?  tell me more...
[15:08] <cyphermox> anything you can think of to affect wifi ?
[15:08] <cyphermox> I really don't see how ;)
[15:09] <seb128> Laney, ^ do you have a description of the issue?
[15:09] <seb128> awe_, several of us have issues connecting when ofono is running
[15:09] <seb128> let me boot my test machine again to see what happens exactly :-)
[15:09] <cyphermox> seb128: at least as a "first" step, if you could file a bug in LP and make sure to include debug logs from NetworkManager (/var/log/syslog, but with NM set to debug) that could help
[15:09] <seb128> some people have n-m disconnecting frequently iirc
[15:10] <seb128> cyphermox, where do you set debug?
[15:10] <cyphermox> and it goes away when ofono is stopped?
[15:10] <seb128> yes
[15:10] <awe_> seb128, why is ofono running on the desktop?
[15:10] <cyphermox> seb128:   -d, --debug                            Don't become a daemon, and log to stderr
[15:10] <awe_> MM is our software of choice for mobile data support on the desktop
[15:10] <seb128> awe_, because its upstart job starts on dbus started
[15:10] <cyphermox> that could work to start in on a cmdline and log stuffs. ^
[15:10] <Laney> the upstart file does nothing to stop it from starting
[15:11] <Laney> I don't know why it's a problem though
[15:11] <awe_> seb128, and we're seeding it by default now?
[15:11] <cyphermox> awe_: the issue is that we get both MM and ofono on desktop-next, and that should be just fine
[15:11] <seb128> awe_, no, but quite some of us hack on unity8
[15:11] <seb128> and that's pulled it by it
[15:11] <seb128> in
[15:11] <awe_> cyphermox, ummm... I thought there was to be some kind of discussion before that happened?
[15:11] <awe_> we'd talked about whitelist vs. blacklist?
[15:11] <awe_> seb128, ack
[15:12] <cyphermox> awe_: irrelevant, it shouldn't be doing anything if there is no modem.
[15:12] <awe_> please...
[15:12] <awe_> apparently it's *not* irrelevant
[15:12] <awe_> ;)
[15:12] <cyphermox> plus this is desktop-next, not ubuntu-desktop
[15:12] <cyphermox> please...
[15:12] <awe_> cyphermox, just coming up to speed dude
[15:12] <cyphermox> sure
[15:13] <awe_> seb128, so by default, ofono uses a builtin udev plugin to determine whether or not to try and initialize/talk to the modem
[15:13] <cyphermox> but why would any of this break wifi connections?
[15:13] <awe_> cyphermox, it shouldn't
[15:13] <cyphermox> damn right ;)
[15:13] <davmor2> awe_: by just coming up to speed now, do you actually mean I've nearly finished my 3rd coffee?
[15:13] <awe_> cyphermox, we don't use the udev plugin on touch
[15:14] <cyphermox> ok...
[15:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: first coffee not finished.
[15:14] <awe_> davmor2, ;/
[15:14] <awe_> me neither
[15:14] <awe_> seb128, can you do a grep for 'ofonod' in syslog and pastebin it?
[15:15] <davmor2> awe_, cyphermox: there's your problem right there you don't drink them fast enough ;)
[15:15] <awe_> seb128, also a quick dump of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems might be useful too
[15:15] <awe_> davmor2, your at least 4h ahead of me!!!
[15:15] <awe_> I'm on maybe my 2nd cup
[15:16] <cyphermox> awe_: there *is* the bluetooth device... seb128, that could be your failing connection if NM continuously restarts due to the crash.
[15:16] <davmor2> awe_: I take my 2nd or third up to work with me :)
[15:16] <seb128> awe_, cyphermox, is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036296/ useful
[15:16] <cyphermox> but it's dependent on having a modem paired and ofono running, etc.
[15:16] <seb128> cyphermox, that test laptop doesn't have bt I think
[15:16] <Mirv> mlankhorst: I commented on bug #1400626 regarding missing Provides: or such
[15:16] <cyphermox> seb128: nothing special in that pastebin.
[15:17] <Mirv> actual functionality seems great with the upcoming 14.04.2 hwe
[15:17] <awe_> seb128, I don't see any messages from ofono itself
[15:17] <awe_> just that NM sees it come alive
[15:18] <awe_> seb128, can you pastebin the list-modems output?
[15:21] <seb128> awe_, cyphermox, journal is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036359/
[15:21] <seb128> awe_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10036374/ is modems
[15:21] <awe_> BT bingo
[15:22] <awe_> so this could be a weird BT interaction, which causes WiFi to disconnect
[15:22] <cyphermox> hmm, but we already knew about that
[15:22] <cyphermox> awe_: NM crash would be a good enough reason for wifi to disconnect
[15:22] <awe_> ack
[15:22] <cyphermox> seb128: I thought there was something else
[15:22] <awe_> list-modems just confirms there's no cellular modem
[15:22] <awe_> ( which I didn't know yet )
[15:22] <seb128> cyphermox, I though that was something else, I don't have a phone paired on that laptop
[15:23] <seb128> sorry about that
[15:23]  * seb128 unpairs and reboot
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, did you have n-m to crash as well?
[15:23] <cyphermox> according to ofono; you would at some point -- it remembers these devices unfortunately.
[15:24] <seb128> k
[15:24] <seb128> Laney and didrocks had some other issues it seems
[15:24] <cyphermox> if that's the only thing, I'm relieved
[15:24] <seb128> wifi would timeout/not connect for them
[15:24] <cyphermox> ok
[15:24] <awe_> me too
[15:24] <awe_> ;D
[15:24] <cyphermox> and that went away stopping ofono?
[15:24] <seb128> seems so
[15:25] <seb128> Laney is going to try again
[15:26] <awe_> we really shouldn't be running ofono by default.  this could break someone's 3g that previously worked via MM
[15:28] <cyphermox> seb128: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/ubuntu/nv-build/+sourcepub/4752998/+listing-archive-extra for trying. should be done building shortly.
[15:28] <cyphermox> brb
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:29] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks, going to try that after our meeting
[15:30] <seb128> It's meeting time !
[15:31] <seb128> attente_ desrt dgadomski_ didrocks FJKong, happyaron  Laney larsu mlankhorst qengho Sweet5hark, hey
[15:31] <desrt> meeting!
[15:31] <larsu> seb128: you're running the meeting today?
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey o/
[15:31] <seb128> larsu, ja
[15:31] <desrt> where is willcooke?
[15:31] <seb128> in a phone call
[15:31] <desrt> too bad
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[15:31] <seb128> yeah :/
[15:31] <larsu> willcooke: close your tags!
[15:32] <desrt> larsu: it's HTML5.  update your parser, punk.
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:32] <willcooke> larsu, I haven't finished yet
[15:32] <larsu> desrt: how does the browser know when he finishes
[15:32] <larsu> willcooke: I knew you'd say that :P
[15:32] <seb128> #start meeting
[15:32] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  3 15:32:47 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:32] <larsu> hi meetingology!
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> #topic attente_
[15:33] <seb128> attente_, hey
[15:33] <attente_> kernel bisecting
[15:33] <attente_> that's all
[15:33] <seb128> that involves heavy drinking?
[15:33] <attente_> *glug glug glug*
[15:33] <larsu> coke
[15:33] <seb128> or is that reserved for kernel hacking? ;-)
[15:34] <seb128> thanks attente_
[15:34] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:34] <desrt> hey
[15:34] <seb128> hey :-)
[15:34] <happyaron> hi
[15:34] <desrt> was at the documentation and developer experience hackfest in cambridge last week
[15:34] <desrt> this was really extremely productive
[15:35] <desrt> wrote some howdoi documentation and a blog post that got me unblacklisted from the gnome foundation travel sponsorship
[15:35] <desrt> also merged support for automatic variable cleanup to glib (aka __attribute__((cleanup)) aka g_autoptr)
[15:35] <desrt> also merge G_DECLARE_*_TYPE to glib which makes it easier to subclass GObject (less junk in all your headers)
[15:35] <desrt> also merged GListModel after a long time
[15:36] <desrt> working now on merging GSimpleIOStream (probably within 10 minutes)
[15:36] <desrt> also adding some misc APIs to GSettings to help larsu
[15:36] <desrt> and had lots of talks about the future of how we will do docs in GNOME
[15:36] <larsu> thanks for the review on those :P
[15:36] <larsu> - Bugs.
[15:36] <desrt> :)
[15:36] <desrt> back!
[15:37] <desrt> also went to FOSDEM and met with a lot of really cool people
[15:37] <desrt> and got very sick
[15:37] <desrt> bleh
[15:37] <desrt> that's al
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, get better!
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[15:37] <desrt> +l
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[15:37] <didrocks> desrt: stay on the other room please
[15:37] <didrocks> :)
[15:37] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> - got help from TheMuso and diwic on bug #1414706, thanks!
[15:38] <dgadomski> No other topics this week, thanks for all the help so far.
[15:38] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[15:38] <didrocks> hey!
[15:38] <didrocks> ubuntu make
[15:38] <didrocks> * new awesome contributions on ubuntu make! In progress: rubymine, pycharm professional, pycharm educational, webstorm, phpstorm
[15:38] <didrocks> * merged and reviews some contributions like fixing eclipse
[15:38] <didrocks> systemd
[15:38] <didrocks> * rebased and prepared to patch to upstream ML systemd-fsckd patches
[15:38] <didrocks> * revamp the patches with first upstream review
[15:38] <didrocks> * more discussion with Lennart, larsu and desrt on how to do better epoll. Just got great enhancement implemented (epoll version working!)
[15:38] <didrocks> * in progress: libplymouth integration discussion on fsckd patch…
[15:38] <didrocks> * hackfest on friday, got a finally agreed strategy with upstream on how we should deal with default jobs enablement in debian and ubuntu. Will try to get that in ubuntu before feature freeze.
[15:38] <didrocks> misc
[15:38] <didrocks> * FOSDEM, being stuck for a day in the desktop room and trying to get speakers to pay attention to remaining talk time!
[15:38] <larsu> didrocks: \o/
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, </summary>?
[15:39] <desrt> FIVE MINUTES, F%$CKER
[15:39] <desrt> ^ didrocks this weekend
[15:39]  * seb128 blocked in a poll
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: trolling! :)
[15:39] <didrocks> .
[15:39] <seb128> ^_^
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: double trolling!
[15:39] <didrocks> and please
[15:39] <didrocks> use epoll
[15:39] <didrocks> not poll
[15:39] <didrocks> :)
[15:39]  * seb128 notes down for next time
[15:39] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[15:39]  * desrt mentions kqueue
[15:40] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:40] <seb128> FJKong_, hey, there?
[15:40] <FJKong_> hey
[15:40] <FJKong_> sponsor for sogou skin preview crash, solved already.
[15:40] <FJKong_> verify skin preview in other desktop env. done
[15:40] <FJKong_> switch to some skin status bar icon can't respose rightly, solved already.
[15:40] <FJKong_> plan new feature for sogou pinyin.
[15:40] <FJKong_> create dash pinyin search project and add blueprint
[15:40] <FJKong_>  eof
[15:41] <seb128> FJKong_, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <seb128> happyaron, hey
[15:41] <happyaron> seb128: hey
[15:42] <happyaron> this week I spent most of my time working on sogoupinyin, covers stuff that FJKong_ doesn't cover to make it release. and yesterday the new major version get online.
[15:42] <happyaron> over, :)
[15:43] <seb128> thanks happyaron
[15:43] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:43] <Laney> • Random icon theme moves, fixes to notify-osd icons and so on (remove BDs in main, should be able to be demoted soon)
[15:43] <Laney> • Properly fix activity-log-manager to allow disabling of GNOME panel, SRU this to T to fix double icons.
[15:43] <Laney> • webkit update & SRU
[15:43] <Laney> • file-roller toolbar visual fix
[15:43] <Laney> • blacklist gnome-system-monitor in o-s, upload 3.14 with headerbar as toolbar (thanks darkxst)
[15:43] <Laney> • start working on gtk 3.15 with a view to testing it for upload to vivid, couple of issues
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ gnome-terminal https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743395
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ gtk itself https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8e8a94bc23b782777d3071d10c7847c5b49442d8 (needs a new release for this fix)
[15:43] <Laney> • work on gnome-terminal utopic to vivid migration, think we've got it figured out now, but needs a wrapper script :( :( :(
[15:43] <Laney> • hi from Brussels: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10978510_10101452804412108_3395070566085161518_n.jpg?oh=042e8e7093e876a12f7946aea00c48cb&oe=555EB244&__gda__=1431383122_003efa50c16ca4f971cf26a55e3e2d3e
[15:44] <Laney> ☕
[15:44] <seb128> g-s-m without o-s, lame!
[15:44] <Laney> o-s will DIE soon
[15:44] <didrocks> don't be a murder
[15:44] <Laney> we'll keep the gtk2 version
[15:44] <Laney> only half murder
[15:44] <Laney> the law says this is okay
[15:44] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:44] <seb128> let's move on
[15:45] <seb128> #topic larsu
[15:45] <seb128> hey larsu!
[15:45] <larsu> hey sorry
[15:45] <didrocks> larsu: doesn't have THE Internet anymore
[15:46] <Laney> half the room just went offline
[15:46] <desrt> hihi
[15:46] <didrocks> we lost 50%
[15:46] <didrocks> that's ok
[15:46] <seb128> lame excuse
[15:46] <didrocks> the law says this is okay
[15:46] <desrt> 'the law'?
[15:46] <seb128> #topic mlankhorst
[15:46] <mlankhorst> seb128: sorry, me sick :( only status update I can think of right now is FOSDEM..
[15:46] <seb128> mlankhorst, get better!
[15:46] <mlankhorst> fosdem FLU! :(
[15:46] <seb128> thanks mlankhorst
[15:47] <mlankhorst> np
[15:47] <seb128> mlankhorst, nothing from before FOSDEM?
[15:47] <mlankhorst> probably some Xmir stuff
[15:47] <seb128> some people suggested that Xmir might move out of the ppa? ;-)
[15:47] <mlankhorst> haha :P
[15:48] <mlankhorst> but otherwise testing the lts-utopic stack frantically at the end of last week
[15:48] <mlankhorst> and doing some other sru verification
[15:48] <seb128> thanks mlankhorst
[15:48] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:48] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:48] <qengho> Hey hey.
[15:48] <qengho> * backported Cr41 sandbox to fix DRI3 crasher.
[15:48] <qengho> * trying to release Cr40. Currently fixing ARMv7==neon assumptions that FTBFS.
[15:48] <qengho> * nothing new for mir.
[15:48] <qengho> * using energy to build billions of new influenza viruses.
[15:48] <qengho> EOF
[15:48] <mlankhorst> ah you too?
[15:49] <qengho> Yep.
[15:49] <mlankhorst> get well soon
[15:49] <qengho> thx
[15:49] <seb128> qengho, new chrome block on arm then?
[15:49] <qengho> seb128: yes. Should be done in a few hours.
[15:49] <seb128> great
[15:49] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:50] <seb128> #topic larsu
[15:50] <seb128> hey larsu
[15:50] <larsu> - emergency .spinner unsetting so that people can log in and use the sound menu
[15:50] <larsu> - gtk: backport patch that includes image-missing in the tarball and resources
[15:50] <larsu> - bamf: fix application matching for new-style gtk apps
[15:50] <larsu> - gedit: finish desrt's menubar patch. 3.14 now has a proper menu bar (same as OSX), but still a header bar
[15:50] <larsu> - add GTK3_MODULES and GTK2_MODULES
[15:51] <larsu> this will be used to let us enable overlay-scrollbar only on gtk 2
[15:51] <larsu> - fix gnome-terminal's app id madness (will help didrocks' irssi problem)
[15:51] <didrocks> I'm not using irssi! :p
[15:51] <Laney> polari!
[15:51] <larsu> - hackfest: lots of reviews and discussion; finally merged listmodel
[15:52] <larsu> - add some gsettings apis
[15:52] <larsu> I think there's more small stuff that I can't remember
[15:52] <larsu> but yeah, </summary>
[15:52] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[15:53] <seb128> my turn
[15:53] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:53] <seb128> • patch pilot shift
[15:53] <seb128> • backported fix to unity-control-center to build with new n-m version
[15:53] <seb128> • played with systemd, tried bootchart, hit a bug, made a patch with the help of didrocks (thanks) and got my first commit to upstream git :-)
[15:53] <seb128> • hit some issues in unity8-desktop and vivid, helped to debug those (qtmir/gtk mir issues, platform-api regression, new n-m/bluetoothd segfaulting)
[15:53] <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings:
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ tweaks to the security dialog (show mismatch password at the right time)
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ change headers to not do effects on tap
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ started looking at bluetooth ssp support
[15:53] <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions
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[15:54] <seb128> I've updates from TheMuso and Sweetshark
[15:54] <didrocks> seb128: \o/
[15:54] <seb128> #topic TheMuso
[15:54] <seb128> * Sponsored update of onboard into vivid.
[15:54] <seb128> * Determined that the accessibility objects for dash content do not get destroyed, hense orca not speaking things properly when the dash is opened the second and future times, so working on forcebly deleting the accessibility objects referencing dash content every time the dash is closed, so they will be freshly re-created when the dash is opened again.
[15:54] <seb128> * Worked on an add-on to orca for vivid to allow it to better work with the dash in unity, at least the first time the dash is opened. :)
[15:54] <seb128> #topic Sweetshark
[15:54] <seb128> I will be travelling back from Brussels. My list:
[15:54] <seb128> - LibreOffice 4.4.0~rc3 (=final) in ppa
[15:54] <seb128>   -- system mwaw
[15:54] <seb128>   -- reenable MERGELIBS
[15:54] <seb128>   -- reenable complex tests
[15:54] <seb128>   -- use cpp 4.9 for UNO preprocessing (still needs checking)
[15:54] <seb128> - FOSDEM (and presentations)
[15:54] <seb128> - Board Meeting and 2015 budgeting
[15:54] <seb128> - LibreOffice Hackfest
[15:55] <seb128> #topic other topics?
[15:55] <seb128> anything else to discuss?
[15:56] <seb128> ok, no other business it seems
[15:56] <seb128> #end meeting
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  3 15:56:28 2015 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-02-03-15.32.moin.txt
[15:56] <seb128> thanks everyone
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[15:58] <ochosi> larsu: you mentioned something about spinners, does that mean that spinners work in Ambiance and gtk3.14 now?
[15:59] <larsu> ochosi: yes
[15:59] <ochosi> sweet, any commit you could point me to that fixed that?
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[16:00] <larsu> ochosi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/more-gtk-314-fixes/revision/414
[16:00] <ochosi> holy moly :)
[16:00] <ochosi> thanks larsu!
[16:00] <larsu> ochosi: you also need this, because the above commit breaks unity-greeter's password entries and playbeack menu items in the sound menu: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/unity-greeter-pw-entry
[16:01] <larsu> and also you need the latest versions of unity-greeter-gtk and libido
[16:02] <ochosi> mmm, good to know
[16:02]  * ochosi bookmarks for later copy paste
[16:04] <ochosi> larsu: latest libido is already in vivid?
[16:07] <larsu> ochosi: yes
[16:12] <ochosi> ok, ty
[16:12] <seb128> cyphermox, still segfaults
[16:12] <seb128> with your ppa
[16:16] <seb128> cyphermox, log has NetworkManagerUtils.c:1224:nm_utils_ip6_property_pathh: assertion failed: (len < sizeof(path) -1 )
[16:23] <cyphermox> Agh
[16:37]  * cyphermox sighs
[16:38] <cyphermox> seb128: there will be another soon ;)
[16:38] <ogra_> cyphermox, btw, bzoltan was really really grumpy, your last NM change changed nmcli so ´much that phablet-network doesnt work anymore
[16:38] <pitti> cyphermox: another upload? 1.0? :-)
[16:38] <cyphermox> pitti: nah, just fixing the bugs still ;)
[16:38] <ogra_> cyphermox, would probably be good to have that in the test plan
[16:39] <pitti> ogra_: heh, it also broke python-dbusmock (I'll look into that asap)
[16:39] <ogra_> pitti, yeah, we need some way to have re-deps tested before major version bumps i think
[16:39] <cyphermox> it can't have broken python-dbusmock that bad
[16:39] <cyphermox> ogra_: that's what autopkgtests are for
[16:39] <ogra_> cyphermox, lol
[16:39] <ogra_> right
[16:40] <cyphermox> well, it is
[16:40] <ogra_> now add PPAs to eth equation :P
[16:40] <ogra_> *the
[16:40] <pitti> ogra_: right; usually that's autopkgtset, but we don't currently cover reverse test depends (only build and binary)
[16:40] <ogra_> and hackish scripts that only exist for user convenience
[16:40] <cyphermox> had I known people were relying so heavily on nmcli it would have been in the tests in a much clearer way.... and I would have told them not to ;)
[16:40] <pitti> cyphermox: nah, I'm sure it's simple, don't worry
[16:40] <cyphermox> pitti: yeah... the API didn't really change much
[16:41] <cyphermox> unless it's looking at some specific log messages or nmcli
[16:41] <ogra_> well, the nmcli output format has changed
[16:41] <ogra_> and the set of commands too
[16:42] <ogra_> thats what bites phablet-network apparently
[16:42] <ogra_> (i havent really looked yet)
[16:42] <cyphermox> yes, that's what would
[16:42] <ogra_> phablet-network largely does csreen scraping
[16:42] <ogra_> *screen
[16:43] <cyphermox> except they're in their right to change how nmcli works, and I think I remember seeing something about not screen scraping it ;)
[16:43] <pitti> cyphermox: I had it working with Debian's 0.9.10 not too long ago, so I guess the remaining diff is simple
[16:43] <cyphermox> pitti: guess so
[17:46] <seb128> cyphermox, do you know if there is documentation somewhere on the protocol to pair a bt device?
[18:11] <seb128> cyphermox, saw my question earlier?
[18:17] <cyphermox> Yes
[18:18] <cyphermox> By protocol you mean command lines / dbus methods, or the actual specification?
[18:29] <seb128> cyphermox, trying to see how pairing a ssp device is supposed to work
[18:29] <seb128> like what dbus calls between settings and bluez
[21:54] <tedg> K, so I'm trying to override ctest
[21:55] <tedg> And it's being... difficult.
[21:55] <tedg> Anyone know of an example of doing an dh_override_auto_test with ctest?
[23:16] <lenios> tedg, what's so complicated? isn't this just like any other override?