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diddledanI just looked out the window - snow has landed03:28
daftykins:O03:34
daftykinsdiddledan: heh, just bought Battlefield 4 on the xbone as my mates want to get it03:34
daftykins61.4GB XD03:34
diddledaneep03:34
diddledanI always read xbone as "x-bone" :-p03:34
daftykinsis that because it seems like a content type from your web shenanigans?03:35
diddledannah, it's because I'm an ass :-p03:35
daftykinsa donkey?! then you can be an honourary Guern!03:35
mappsgah03:39
mappshad to leave casino early03:39
daftykins:o03:39
mappssomeone stole my damn drink03:41
mappsbar closed03:41
mappsi spoke to manager and got a useless voucher for tomorrow03:41
daftykinsbut you quit!03:41
mappsnah03:42
daftykins:o03:42
mappsi pretend id like to03:42
mappsbut i never will really03:42
mappsjust like i quit smoking for a while03:43
mappsnever lasts long03:43
daftykins:(03:43
mappsits life03:44
mappswe're all playing the time game03:45
mappsjust im speeding it up quite a lot heh03:45
mappsjudge judy is so good04:38
mappslove the show so much04:38
shaunomapps: that's a really, really bad sign04:55
daftykinscan't stand such tosh myself :)04:56
mappspff04:57
daftykinssensationalist fakery poop \o/04:57
mapps;[[[04:59
shaunoI guess you need something to fill the void left by Springer?05:09
mappslol05:10
daftykinsdid he retire?05:11
mappsdidnt know05:11
mappsi just like jj:)05:11
mappsi dont watch any other reality garbage05:12
daftykinstell you what05:12
mappsMis gatos beben la leche05:12
mapps:D05:12
mappsduolingo teaching me05:12
mappsheh05:12
daftykinsjust imagine you got wrapped up in some genuine misunderstanding, then got thrown in front of Judge Judy05:12
daftykinsnow imagine how fun it must be ;)05:12
mappsits so good..i use it on my phone (android) ..on my ipad and on the web05:12
mappsthat wouldn't be fun daftykins05:12
mapps;D05:12
daftykinsi think that's my problem watching stuff like that, too cringeworthy for me05:13
daftykinsi can't watch alleged comedies like Peep Show for that reason05:13
mappsi like peep show05:18
mappsyou ever watchged it?05:20
daftykinsyeah a friend was obsessed05:20
daftykinsi can't stand it05:20
mappsi quite like it05:23
mappsit is overrated tho05:23
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Eileen Collins Day! :-D09:33
* awilkins would rather have Collins day, the day when you just sit in bed and drink a Tom Collins each hour.09:34
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davmor2JamesTait: Space the front ear, why do they want ears on the front when we know the sides are better?09:53
davmor2s/space the/space the final09:54
JamesTaitdavmor2, it's not a new concept - Davey Crockett was the king of the wild front ear.09:54
davmor2well wouldn't you be wild if someone cut you off and slapped on the front where you don't belong?09:56
JamesTaitI expect so.09:57
davmor2JamesTait: and then heading into space to find the final one seems like a waste of money to me ;)09:59
JamesTaitdavmor2, well maybe it's because they've had no luck finding it down here on Earth.10:01
zmoylan-piespecially when in space no one can hear you rub salt into the wound... :-)10:02
popeynice https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list10:05
ali1234hehe10:06
zmoylan-piyou'd have thought google would be better at stopping that10:08
diddledanpopey, I can't believe that's real when google does botblocking elsewhere such as sign-in attempts10:24
diddledanI'd hate to have to clean that lot up10:25
zmoylan-pinuke it from orbit, only way to be sure :-)10:25
popeythey're still coming in10:25
diddledanit starts at number 13815 (~7 pages)10:27
diddledansorry 13081510:28
awilkinsIt's precisely this sort of thing that makes me sad about capitalism10:34
awilkinsIn a world where people didn't have to scrape for a living, this sort of thing would be beneath people10:35
zmoylan-pino it wouldn't, there'd always be some greedy bugger trying to make money by spamming everyone and everything10:36
awilkinsViva la revolution robotique! Robot socialism for all!10:36
awilkinsMmn, but not being paid to do it10:36
awilkinsWell, fewer people10:36
awilkinsBah10:36
awilkinsStupid statistics and enormous population numbers10:37
zmoylan-pithey'd do not for the money but to gain followers/karma/shiny pebbles.10:37
awilkinsInteresting that they are targetting an Indian market10:38
awilkins+91 phone numbers and everything10:38
awilkinsWouldn't have thought it was particularly rich pickings10:38
zmoylan-pior bored engineers who wonder what indian services sound like...10:38
diddledanzmoylan-pi, is prostitution a "service industry" then?10:39
awilkinsOr does it count as entertainment10:39
diddledanlol10:39
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:45
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awilkinsQuestion : I have a Windows in a VirtualBox instance13:35
awilkinsIf I connect the host machine to a VPN, I get network packets from the VM routed properly but it doesn't resolve DNS names (because only the host has the extra DNS entries)13:36
awilkinsCan I just point it to my host machine as a DNS server (since it's all locally routed through something by default on Ubuntu?)(13:36
TwistedLucidityawilkins: IIRC it's because "Windows"13:41
TwistedLucidityI have this exact set-up....trying to recall how I fixed it13:42
ali1234awilkins: what network type?13:42
TwistedLucidityI think it was much hacking of the routing table....13:42
awilkinsali1234, NAT network13:42
awilkinsali1234, the one where the machines share a network but also have NAT to the outside world13:43
ali1234okay so with NAT the host runs a dhcp server for guests13:43
awilkinsHave found a forum topic13:43
ali1234that should tell the guest what DNS server to use13:43
TwistedLucidityawilkins: So you want the guest to be able to hit-up servers on the VPN?13:43
awilkinsali1234, Yeah, getting the DHCP address assignment13:43
awilkinsali1234, But no DNS13:43
ali1234none at all?13:44
awilkinsBut there seems to be a setting for that13:44
ali1234put in the host as DNS server then, probably13:44
awilkinsI have it set up to use Google's DNS but that obviously doesn't serve names from my corporate VPN13:44
ali1234however, you need to know about split DNS13:45
ali1234why not just run the VPN client on the guest?13:45
awilkinsIt's an option13:45
TwistedLucidityawilkins: What I had to do was explicitly define the DNSs what live VPN-side as well as all the attendant DNS suffixes.13:46
TwistedLuciditySeemed to work13:46
awilkinsYeah, that would work13:46
awilkinsMore of a fiddle though13:47
TwistedLucidityMeh....set it once and forget it13:48
TwistedLucidityOn the hose I use a batch file to recreate all the network shares and add the DNS servers once I connect to the VPN.13:49
TwistedLucidity"On the host..."13:49
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mappshi all14:35
zmoylan-pio/14:35
mapps;]14:37
mappsnever clseep zmoylan-pi?14:37
zmoylan-piabout 4 hours a day at the moment :-/14:38
diploHi guys, best place to get a SSL cert from  ? Want to play with letsencrypt.org but that's a few months away yet15:09
MartijnVdSdiplo: cheapest? startssl15:09
MartijnVdSdiplo: if you need the insurance more expensive ones provide, go for something like gandi.net15:10
MartijnVdSthough startssl has EV certs too, but not for free15:10
diploWell it's for work, we don't need ssl for our data but I thought it was better to go that route, also google adding ranking based on if it's ssl now as well15:13
diploJust found namecheap are doing a basic one fairly cheap, I've never used SSL before so debating just going for the basics to play and make sure I can make it work correctly :)15:14
brobostigonin irssi, how do i ignore highlights from a certain user?15:14
MartijnVdSdiplo: startssl is still free ;) unless you want cool stuff like wildcards etc. Those are cheaper at other places15:15
diploI do like the idea of wildcards for mail15:18
MartijnVdSdiplo: uh.. what do you mean?15:19
diploI maybe don't fully understand the certs15:19
MartijnVdSdiplo: you have multiple mail servers, you mean?15:19
diploSo basically I have domain.com if I order a cert for domain.com can I use it for https and also for mail.domain.com ?15:20
MartijnVdSdiplo: let me find that crash course I Found a few weeks ago15:20
diploOr do I need a wildcard to be able to do subdomains15:20
MartijnVdSdiplo: best to order 2 certificates for that imho15:20
diploAh right!15:20
MartijnVdSdiplo: one for the mail server, one for the https-server15:20
MartijnVdSwildcards are useful if you have stuff like "my.domain.com" and "www.domain.com" and "somethingelse.domain.com" and want to protect them all at once15:21
MartijnVdSand even then, SAN (subject alternative name) is considered better15:21
MartijnVdSdiplo: https://sites.google.com/site/x509certificateusage/ is good15:22
MartijnVdSdiplo: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS is also useful15:22
diploLooking now thanks15:22
MartijnVdSdiplo: also, to check your setup: https://www.ssllabs.com/15:23
MartijnVdSdiplo: they also have guides for proper SSL/TLS deployment15:23
diploSorry missed the last link, thanks! Looking at that now15:36
black_screenhi everyone17:49
black_screenmy computer get black screen instad og login screen17:50
AzelphurHey folks. I just bought a TP-Link WR703N. Got 2 laptops connected via WiFi with the router right next to them both (so full signal, 72mbit sync) if I ping the router I get like 2ms latency. if I ping the other laptop I get a ~100ms latency average with worst of like 400ms. Any ideas?18:38
ali1234Azelphur: wifi signal can be too powerful18:58
ali1234anyway you should test by pinging the router itself from each machine18:58
Azelphurfrom each machine is fine, 2ms18:58
ali1234so router has bad firmware...18:59
Azelphurwell, it's a fairly normal build of openwrt running on there18:59
Azelphurali1234, oO, actually I think I've found something19:00
Azelphurmy 11" laptop is getting very unstable latency to the router, anything from 1ms to 110ms19:00
Azelphurmy 15" laptop is getting <3ms every time19:01
ali1234wifi compatibility problems then19:01
ali1234wifi really sucks, get used to it19:01
Azelphurali1234, so it's a driver problem on the 11" laptop you think?19:03
ali1234not as such19:04
ali1234two perfectly working drivers might not work with each other19:04
ali1234try moving channel, that sometimes helps19:04
ali1234try moving further away too19:04
Azelphurok I moved it a bit further away, there's a little under a metre now19:04
Azelphurlatency is still the same, will try channel19:04
ali1234a metre is not enough19:05
ali1234go in a different room19:05
Azelphurk moving laptop away from router, will see if it changes19:06
Azelphurdifferent room, same latency19:07
Azelphurali1234, well I'll be damned, that worked.19:08
ali1234what?19:08
Azelphurchannel 11 to channel 6, latency dropped from 100ms average to 2.19:08
Azelphurthanks dude :)19:09
ali1234"wifi really sucks, get used to it"19:09
ali1234check the other one still works now19:09
Azelphuryea everything works now19:09
Azelphurthat makes my synergy work way better :)19:09
ali1234port by bluetooth atches to newest synergy and use that instead19:10
ali1234let me try that again19:11
ali1234port my bluetooth patches to newest synergy and use that19:11
Azelphursynergy over bluetooth?19:11
ali1234yeah19:11
Azelphurthat sounds...cool19:11
ali1234you get free encryption, service discovery, roaming19:11
ali1234and it's entirely out of band so big transfers don't make your control unresponsive19:12
ali1234linux only and the patches are seriously out of date19:12
ali1234if you can make it work on windows or mac then the upstream would be interested19:12
Azelphuraww :<19:12
ali1234if you know how to program bluetooth for windows it would be easy19:12
Azelphursadly I have no bluetooth programming knowledge19:13
ali1234neither did i19:13
Azelphurand my C++ extends to if (!qt) { nope }19:13
ali1234the blueman developer helped me quite a bit19:13
Azelphurcool :)19:13
ali1234synergy is written in C i think19:13
Azelphuroh19:13
ali1234can't remember19:13
Azelphurthen just none :P19:13
AzelphurI suppose logically you'd want to use a cross platform bluetooth library though rather than talking to blueman directly19:14
ali1234nope, this is C++19:14
ali1234it doesn't talk to blueman at all19:14
Azelphuroh19:14
ali1234it should be mostly cross platform19:15
ali1234it uses rfcomm sockets, which act almost exactly like TCP sockets19:15
Azelphurso did you use a bluetooth library of sorts that is close platform?19:17
ali1234my favourite thing about it is that once you pair all your devices, you can have your laptop move seamlessly between synergy servers19:17
Azelphuryea it'd definitely be cool for my laptops and such19:17
ali1234if you have a workstation at work and at home you don't need to do anything, it just works with both19:17
Azelphurso, whys this not mainline yet?19:18
Azelphurbecause it sounds awesome19:18
ali1234because when i wrote it, synergy was abandoned19:18
ali1234it's been forked now19:18
Azelphurit's on github now?19:18
ali1234they contacted me to ask about using the patches, i said "sure, knock yourself out"19:18
ali1234but nobody knew how to port it to windows19:18
Azelphurah19:18
ali1234(or mac)19:19
Azelphurthat sucks19:19
ali1234so it's just sitting waiting19:19
ali1234http://synergy-project.org/wiki/Related_Projects#synergy-bluetooth19:19
ali1234and yeah, they put it on github very recently19:19
AzelphurI see19:19
ali1234but the fork happened ages ago, synergy used to be svn for ages and eventually enough people complained so they switched19:19
Azelphuryea sadly I ain't the one to port it to Windows/Mac either, I don't even have any of those machines19:20
ali1234well then you could just refresh the patch for newest synergy :)19:20
ali1234i mean it works fine if you only use linux19:20
Azelphurall a bit beyond me, I wonder if it'd just patch against the latest synergy19:21
ali1234unlikely with a patcht his old19:21
ali1234it shouldn't be hard to port though19:21
ali1234oh the other thing is that synergy-bluetooth can ONLY do bluetooth :)19:21
Azelphuryea I only use synergy while roaming with my two laptops anyway19:22
ali1234or... actually we might have fixed that19:22
ali1234have a look at the patch anyway, it's only 280 lines19:22
Azelphurworth trying to see if it patches in anyway, I forget how to apply a patch though19:24
Azelphurali1234, I think I managed to patch most of it in, but it seems like str2ba isn't around19:51
Azelphurlooks like it is/was part of bluez19:51
ali1234yes19:52
Azelphurno idea on what to do for that one19:52
ali1234it converts string to bluetooth address19:52
Azelphursounds like kinda an important part of the library, reckon they've just renamed the function or moved it to another file?19:53
ali1234it should still be around?19:53
Azelphur undefined reference to `str2ba' :<19:54
ali1234linking?19:54
ali1234you need to -lbluetooth19:55
ali1234for some reason it isn't in the patch19:55
ali1234have a look at the tarball19:55
ali1234i'm pretty sure that works19:55
Azelphurhmm, where on earth would I drop that in the Makefile19:56
Azelphurthe Makefile is huge19:56
ali1234it's automake/autoconf19:56
ali1234literally nobody understand it19:56
Azelphurlol19:56
Azelphurso how do i -lbluetooth then19:57
ali1234found it20:00
ali1234ARCH_LIBS="$X_LIBS $X_PRE_LIBS $XEXT_LDADD -lXext -lX11 -lbluetooth $X_EXTRA_LIBS $ARCH_LIBS"20:00
ali1234in configure.in20:00
ali1234find the line that looks like this except without -lbluetooth20:00
AzelphurI don't have a configure.in20:00
ali1234... yes you do20:00
Azelphurfind . | grep -i configure.in20:01
Azelphursays no20:01
Azelphuralso not present on github20:01
ali1234hahahahahahahahaha20:01
ali1234they switched to cmake20:01
Azelphur:P20:01
ali1234add it to CMakeLists.txt20:02
ali1234https://github.com/synergy/synergy/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L19720:02
ali1234list(APPEND libs bluetooth)20:03
ali1234put it somewhere20:03
Azelphurstick it on line 198?20:03
ali1234put it on 27120:03
Azelphurk, rebuilding :)20:04
ali1234you need to rerun cmake20:04
AzelphurI'm actually just running make20:04
Azelphurmake seems to build it20:04
ali1234cmake generates a makefile20:05
Azelphurnever ran cmake20:05
Azelphurmake seems to have worked though, looks like it built successfully20:06
ali1234you got synergyc and synergys?20:06
Azelphuryes20:06
ali1234okay next you need to pair your computers on bluetooth20:07
ali1234synergy can't do this, you must use blueman or something20:07
ali1234or gnome-bluetooth or whatever20:07
Azelphuramusingly this might be where we hit a roadblock, bluetooth on my laptop is fairly messed up to deal with hacky gasia ps3 controllers20:08
ali1234it should be fine20:10
ali1234it's very low level, it doesn't use profiles or anything like that20:10
Azelphurwell, in its current state, sudo service start bluetooth fails and the bluetooth dialog won't open, says BlueZ isn't running20:10
ali1234heh, that's pretty messed up20:10
Azelphuryep20:10
Azelphurdon't happen to know where I could see logs to figure out why bluetooth isn't starting?20:11
ali1234no idea these days20:11
Azelphuroh thats interesting, in dmesg it says failed to spawn bluetooth main process: unable to execute: permission denied20:11
ali1234rfcomm is the command line equivalent of ifconfig for bluetooth20:12
ali1234wait no20:12
ali1234it's hciconfig20:12
Azelphurfixed it20:12
Azelphur:D20:12
ali1234the config file format for synergy is a bit different too20:13
ali1234you don't need to put ip addresses, just names20:13
ali1234and the names are the same as what the device advertises20:13
Azelphurpaired :D20:14
ali1234i'm a bit worried that patch is not valid20:15
ali1234it might not be the whole thing... seems short... i don't remember20:15
ali1234oh well. just write a config file and then run synergyc/synergys20:16
ali1234you might have to specify -bluetooth or --bluetooth20:16
ali1234i don't know why though since it doesn't seem to support anything else20:16
ali1234yeah this patch really can't be complete20:17
Azelphurthe client is saying WARNING: failed to connect to server: unsupported address for: azelphur-XMG-P50520:19
Azelphur:<20:19
Azelphurali1234, aww20:19
ali1234did you run it with -bluetooth?20:19
Azelphur-bluetooth and --bluetooth are both unknown flags20:20
Azelphurwon't run with either20:20
ali1234hmm20:20
ali1234yeah patch looks incomplete20:20
ali1234i wonder why20:20
Azelphuroh well :<20:21
ali1234well there's always the tarball20:21
Azelphurhehe, yea I guess20:22
Azelphurwould be nice to see this builtin at any rate, if you ever felt like working on it20:22
ali1234let me test the tarball20:23
ali1234then i will try to fix the patch20:23
Azelphur:)20:23
ali1234yeah the patch is definitely broken, it doesn't have sdp discovery stuff20:24
ali1234tarball won't build due to gcc warnings20:25
ali1234this patch is lol20:30
ali1234i dont even20:30
ali1234here is the REAL patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/10040936/20:34
ali1234well, roughly. i might have based it off the wrong version20:35
MooDoodavmor2: hope you appreciated that ;)20:36
ali1234ugh, they moved all the files around20:52
ali1234Azelphur: how did you even get this patch to apply?20:53
Azelphurali1234, manually.20:54
Azelphurali1234, and yea they did20:54
ali1234the real patch is 1000 lines20:54
Azelphurbut you're looking for ./src/lib/arch/unix/ArchNetworkBSD.cpp no doubt20:54
ali1234yeah20:54
ali1234lol, the files are completely different20:57
ali1234the code that needs patching is now in a different place, probably completely rewritten20:58
Azelphurfun]21:03
ali1234770 lines done21:33
ali1234https://github.com/ali1234/synergy/commit/6333e2dfcaa096b64b66051657d914ca713455ed21:46
ali1234that won't build but it's a start21:46

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