[03:28] <diddledan> I just looked out the window - snow has landed
[03:34] <daftykins> :O
[03:34] <daftykins> diddledan: heh, just bought Battlefield 4 on the xbone as my mates want to get it
[03:34] <daftykins> 61.4GB XD
[03:34] <diddledan> eep
[03:34] <diddledan> I always read xbone as "x-bone" :-p
[03:35] <daftykins> is that because it seems like a content type from your web shenanigans?
[03:35] <diddledan> nah, it's because I'm an ass :-p
[03:35] <daftykins> a donkey?! then you can be an honourary Guern!
[03:39] <mapps> gah
[03:39] <mapps> had to leave casino early
[03:39] <daftykins> :o
[03:41] <mapps> someone stole my damn drink
[03:41] <mapps> bar closed
[03:41] <mapps> i spoke to manager and got a useless voucher for tomorrow
[03:41] <daftykins> but you quit!
[03:42] <mapps> nah
[03:42] <daftykins> :o
[03:42] <mapps> i pretend id like to
[03:42] <mapps> but i never will really
[03:43] <mapps> just like i quit smoking for a while
[03:43] <mapps> never lasts long
[03:43] <daftykins> :(
[03:44] <mapps> its life
[03:45] <mapps> we're all playing the time game
[03:45] <mapps> just im speeding it up quite a lot heh
[04:38] <mapps> judge judy is so good
[04:38] <mapps> love the show so much
[04:55] <shauno> mapps: that's a really, really bad sign
[04:56] <daftykins> can't stand such tosh myself :)
[04:57] <mapps> pff
[04:57] <daftykins> sensationalist fakery poop \o/
[04:59] <mapps> ;[[[
[05:09] <shauno> I guess you need something to fill the void left by Springer?
[05:10] <mapps> lol
[05:11] <daftykins> did he retire?
[05:11] <mapps> didnt know
[05:11] <mapps> i just like jj:)
[05:12] <mapps> i dont watch any other reality garbage
[05:12] <daftykins> tell you what
[05:12] <mapps> Mis gatos beben la leche
[05:12] <mapps> :D
[05:12] <mapps> duolingo teaching me
[05:12] <mapps> heh
[05:12] <daftykins> just imagine you got wrapped up in some genuine misunderstanding, then got thrown in front of Judge Judy
[05:12] <daftykins> now imagine how fun it must be ;)
[05:12] <mapps> its so good..i use it on my phone (android) ..on my ipad and on the web
[05:12] <mapps> that wouldn't be fun daftykins
[05:12] <mapps> ;D
[05:13] <daftykins> i think that's my problem watching stuff like that, too cringeworthy for me
[05:13] <daftykins> i can't watch alleged comedies like Peep Show for that reason
[05:18] <mapps> i like peep show
[05:20] <mapps> you ever watchged it?
[05:20] <daftykins> yeah a friend was obsessed
[05:20] <daftykins> i can't stand it
[05:23] <mapps> i quite like it
[05:23] <mapps> it is overrated tho
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eileen Collins Day! :-D
[09:34]  * awilkins would rather have Collins day, the day when you just sit in bed and drink a Tom Collins each hour.
[09:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: Space the front ear, why do they want ears on the front when we know the sides are better?
[09:54] <davmor2> s/space the/space the final
[09:54] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's not a new concept - Davey Crockett was the king of the wild front ear.
[09:56] <davmor2> well wouldn't you be wild if someone cut you off and slapped on the front where you don't belong?
[09:57] <JamesTait> I expect so.
[09:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: and then heading into space to find the final one seems like a waste of money to me ;)
[10:01] <JamesTait> davmor2, well maybe it's because they've had no luck finding it down here on Earth.
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> especially when in space no one can hear you rub salt into the wound... :-)
[10:05] <popey> nice https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
[10:06] <ali1234> hehe
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have thought google would be better at stopping that
[10:24] <diddledan> popey, I can't believe that's real when google does botblocking elsewhere such as sign-in attempts
[10:25] <diddledan> I'd hate to have to clean that lot up
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure :-)
[10:25] <popey> they're still coming in
[10:27] <diddledan> it starts at number 13815 (~7 pages)
[10:28] <diddledan> sorry 130815
[10:34] <awilkins> It's precisely this sort of thing that makes me sad about capitalism
[10:35] <awilkins> In a world where people didn't have to scrape for a living, this sort of thing would be beneath people
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> no it wouldn't, there'd always be some greedy bugger trying to make money by spamming everyone and everything
[10:36] <awilkins> Viva la revolution robotique! Robot socialism for all!
[10:36] <awilkins> Mmn, but not being paid to do it
[10:36] <awilkins> Well, fewer people
[10:36] <awilkins> Bah
[10:37] <awilkins> Stupid statistics and enormous population numbers
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> they'd do not for the money but to gain followers/karma/shiny pebbles.
[10:38] <awilkins> Interesting that they are targetting an Indian market
[10:38] <awilkins> +91 phone numbers and everything
[10:38] <awilkins> Wouldn't have thought it was particularly rich pickings
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> or bored engineers who wonder what indian services sound like...
[10:39] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, is prostitution a "service industry" then?
[10:39] <awilkins> Or does it count as entertainment
[10:39] <diddledan> lol
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:35] <awilkins> Question : I have a Windows in a VirtualBox instance
[13:36] <awilkins> If I connect the host machine to a VPN, I get network packets from the VM routed properly but it doesn't resolve DNS names (because only the host has the extra DNS entries)
[13:36] <awilkins> Can I just point it to my host machine as a DNS server (since it's all locally routed through something by default on Ubuntu?)(
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: IIRC it's because "Windows"
[13:42] <TwistedLucidity> I have this exact set-up....trying to recall how I fixed it
[13:42] <ali1234> awilkins: what network type?
[13:42] <TwistedLucidity> I think it was much hacking of the routing table....
[13:42] <awilkins> ali1234, NAT network
[13:43] <awilkins> ali1234, the one where the machines share a network but also have NAT to the outside world
[13:43] <ali1234> okay so with NAT the host runs a dhcp server for guests
[13:43] <awilkins> Have found a forum topic
[13:43] <ali1234> that should tell the guest what DNS server to use
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: So you want the guest to be able to hit-up servers on the VPN?
[13:43] <awilkins> ali1234, Yeah, getting the DHCP address assignment
[13:43] <awilkins> ali1234, But no DNS
[13:44] <ali1234> none at all?
[13:44] <awilkins> But there seems to be a setting for that
[13:44] <ali1234> put in the host as DNS server then, probably
[13:44] <awilkins> I have it set up to use Google's DNS but that obviously doesn't serve names from my corporate VPN
[13:45] <ali1234> however, you need to know about split DNS
[13:45] <ali1234> why not just run the VPN client on the guest?
[13:45] <awilkins> It's an option
[13:46] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: What I had to do was explicitly define the DNSs what live VPN-side as well as all the attendant DNS suffixes.
[13:46] <TwistedLucidity> Seemed to work
[13:46] <awilkins> Yeah, that would work
[13:47] <awilkins> More of a fiddle though
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> Meh....set it once and forget it
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> On the hose I use a batch file to recreate all the network shares and add the DNS servers once I connect to the VPN.
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> "On the host..."
[14:35] <mapps> hi all
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[14:37] <mapps> ;]
[14:37] <mapps> never clseep zmoylan-pi?
[14:38] <zmoylan-pi> about 4 hours a day at the moment :-/
[15:09] <diplo> Hi guys, best place to get a SSL cert from  ? Want to play with letsencrypt.org but that's a few months away yet
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> diplo: cheapest? startssl
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> diplo: if you need the insurance more expensive ones provide, go for something like gandi.net
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> though startssl has EV certs too, but not for free
[15:13] <diplo> Well it's for work, we don't need ssl for our data but I thought it was better to go that route, also google adding ranking based on if it's ssl now as well
[15:14] <diplo> Just found namecheap are doing a basic one fairly cheap, I've never used SSL before so debating just going for the basics to play and make sure I can make it work correctly :)
[15:14] <brobostigon> in irssi, how do i ignore highlights from a certain user?
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> diplo: startssl is still free ;) unless you want cool stuff like wildcards etc. Those are cheaper at other places
[15:18] <diplo> I do like the idea of wildcards for mail
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> diplo: uh.. what do you mean?
[15:19] <diplo> I maybe don't fully understand the certs
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> diplo: you have multiple mail servers, you mean?
[15:20] <diplo> So basically I have domain.com if I order a cert for domain.com can I use it for https and also for mail.domain.com ?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> diplo: let me find that crash course I Found a few weeks ago
[15:20] <diplo> Or do I need a wildcard to be able to do subdomains
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> diplo: best to order 2 certificates for that imho
[15:20] <diplo> Ah right!
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> diplo: one for the mail server, one for the https-server
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> wildcards are useful if you have stuff like "my.domain.com" and "www.domain.com" and "somethingelse.domain.com" and want to protect them all at once
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> and even then, SAN (subject alternative name) is considered better
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: https://sites.google.com/site/x509certificateusage/ is good
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS is also useful
[15:22] <diplo> Looking now thanks
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> diplo: also, to check your setup: https://www.ssllabs.com/
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> diplo: they also have guides for proper SSL/TLS deployment
[15:36] <diplo> Sorry missed the last link, thanks! Looking at that now
[17:49] <black_screen> hi everyone
[17:50] <black_screen> my computer get black screen instad og login screen
[18:38] <Azelphur> Hey folks. I just bought a TP-Link WR703N. Got 2 laptops connected via WiFi with the router right next to them both (so full signal, 72mbit sync) if I ping the router I get like 2ms latency. if I ping the other laptop I get a ~100ms latency average with worst of like 400ms. Any ideas?
[18:58] <ali1234> Azelphur: wifi signal can be too powerful
[18:58] <ali1234> anyway you should test by pinging the router itself from each machine
[18:58] <Azelphur> from each machine is fine, 2ms
[18:59] <ali1234> so router has bad firmware...
[18:59] <Azelphur> well, it's a fairly normal build of openwrt running on there
[19:00] <Azelphur> ali1234, oO, actually I think I've found something
[19:00] <Azelphur> my 11" laptop is getting very unstable latency to the router, anything from 1ms to 110ms
[19:01] <Azelphur> my 15" laptop is getting <3ms every time
[19:01] <ali1234> wifi compatibility problems then
[19:01] <ali1234> wifi really sucks, get used to it
[19:03] <Azelphur> ali1234, so it's a driver problem on the 11" laptop you think?
[19:04] <ali1234> not as such
[19:04] <ali1234> two perfectly working drivers might not work with each other
[19:04] <ali1234> try moving channel, that sometimes helps
[19:04] <ali1234> try moving further away too
[19:04] <Azelphur> ok I moved it a bit further away, there's a little under a metre now
[19:04] <Azelphur> latency is still the same, will try channel
[19:05] <ali1234> a metre is not enough
[19:05] <ali1234> go in a different room
[19:06] <Azelphur> k moving laptop away from router, will see if it changes
[19:07] <Azelphur> different room, same latency
[19:08] <Azelphur> ali1234, well I'll be damned, that worked.
[19:08] <ali1234> what?
[19:08] <Azelphur> channel 11 to channel 6, latency dropped from 100ms average to 2.
[19:09] <Azelphur> thanks dude :)
[19:09] <ali1234> "wifi really sucks, get used to it"
[19:09] <ali1234> check the other one still works now
[19:09] <Azelphur> yea everything works now
[19:09] <Azelphur> that makes my synergy work way better :)
[19:10] <ali1234> port by bluetooth atches to newest synergy and use that instead
[19:11] <ali1234> let me try that again
[19:11] <ali1234> port my bluetooth patches to newest synergy and use that
[19:11] <Azelphur> synergy over bluetooth?
[19:11] <ali1234> yeah
[19:11] <Azelphur> that sounds...cool
[19:11] <ali1234> you get free encryption, service discovery, roaming
[19:12] <ali1234> and it's entirely out of band so big transfers don't make your control unresponsive
[19:12] <ali1234> linux only and the patches are seriously out of date
[19:12] <ali1234> if you can make it work on windows or mac then the upstream would be interested
[19:12] <Azelphur> aww :<
[19:12] <ali1234> if you know how to program bluetooth for windows it would be easy
[19:13] <Azelphur> sadly I have no bluetooth programming knowledge
[19:13] <ali1234> neither did i
[19:13] <Azelphur> and my C++ extends to if (!qt) { nope }
[19:13] <ali1234> the blueman developer helped me quite a bit
[19:13] <Azelphur> cool :)
[19:13] <ali1234> synergy is written in C i think
[19:13] <Azelphur> oh
[19:13] <ali1234> can't remember
[19:13] <Azelphur> then just none :P
[19:14] <Azelphur> I suppose logically you'd want to use a cross platform bluetooth library though rather than talking to blueman directly
[19:14] <ali1234> nope, this is C++
[19:14] <ali1234> it doesn't talk to blueman at all
[19:14] <Azelphur> oh
[19:15] <ali1234> it should be mostly cross platform
[19:15] <ali1234> it uses rfcomm sockets, which act almost exactly like TCP sockets
[19:17] <Azelphur> so did you use a bluetooth library of sorts that is close platform?
[19:17] <ali1234> my favourite thing about it is that once you pair all your devices, you can have your laptop move seamlessly between synergy servers
[19:17] <Azelphur> yea it'd definitely be cool for my laptops and such
[19:17] <ali1234> if you have a workstation at work and at home you don't need to do anything, it just works with both
[19:18] <Azelphur> so, whys this not mainline yet?
[19:18] <Azelphur> because it sounds awesome
[19:18] <ali1234> because when i wrote it, synergy was abandoned
[19:18] <ali1234> it's been forked now
[19:18] <Azelphur> it's on github now?
[19:18] <ali1234> they contacted me to ask about using the patches, i said "sure, knock yourself out"
[19:18] <ali1234> but nobody knew how to port it to windows
[19:18] <Azelphur> ah
[19:19] <ali1234> (or mac)
[19:19] <Azelphur> that sucks
[19:19] <ali1234> so it's just sitting waiting
[19:19] <ali1234> http://synergy-project.org/wiki/Related_Projects#synergy-bluetooth
[19:19] <ali1234> and yeah, they put it on github very recently
[19:19] <Azelphur> I see
[19:19] <ali1234> but the fork happened ages ago, synergy used to be svn for ages and eventually enough people complained so they switched
[19:20] <Azelphur> yea sadly I ain't the one to port it to Windows/Mac either, I don't even have any of those machines
[19:20] <ali1234> well then you could just refresh the patch for newest synergy :)
[19:20] <ali1234> i mean it works fine if you only use linux
[19:21] <Azelphur> all a bit beyond me, I wonder if it'd just patch against the latest synergy
[19:21] <ali1234> unlikely with a patcht his old
[19:21] <ali1234> it shouldn't be hard to port though
[19:21] <ali1234> oh the other thing is that synergy-bluetooth can ONLY do bluetooth :)
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea I only use synergy while roaming with my two laptops anyway
[19:22] <ali1234> or... actually we might have fixed that
[19:22] <ali1234> have a look at the patch anyway, it's only 280 lines
[19:24] <Azelphur> worth trying to see if it patches in anyway, I forget how to apply a patch though
[19:51] <Azelphur> ali1234, I think I managed to patch most of it in, but it seems like str2ba isn't around
[19:51] <Azelphur> looks like it is/was part of bluez
[19:52] <ali1234> yes
[19:52] <Azelphur> no idea on what to do for that one
[19:52] <ali1234> it converts string to bluetooth address
[19:53] <Azelphur> sounds like kinda an important part of the library, reckon they've just renamed the function or moved it to another file?
[19:53] <ali1234> it should still be around?
[19:54] <Azelphur>  undefined reference to `str2ba' :<
[19:54] <ali1234> linking?
[19:55] <ali1234> you need to -lbluetooth
[19:55] <ali1234> for some reason it isn't in the patch
[19:55] <ali1234> have a look at the tarball
[19:55] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure that works
[19:56] <Azelphur> hmm, where on earth would I drop that in the Makefile
[19:56] <Azelphur> the Makefile is huge
[19:56] <ali1234> it's automake/autoconf
[19:56] <ali1234> literally nobody understand it
[19:56] <Azelphur> lol
[19:57] <Azelphur> so how do i -lbluetooth then
[20:00] <ali1234> found it
[20:00] <ali1234> 	ARCH_LIBS="$X_LIBS $X_PRE_LIBS $XEXT_LDADD -lXext -lX11 -lbluetooth $X_EXTRA_LIBS $ARCH_LIBS"
[20:00] <ali1234> in configure.in
[20:00] <ali1234> find the line that looks like this except without -lbluetooth
[20:00] <Azelphur> I don't have a configure.in
[20:00] <ali1234> ... yes you do
[20:01] <Azelphur> find . | grep -i configure.in
[20:01] <Azelphur> says no
[20:01] <Azelphur> also not present on github
[20:01] <ali1234> hahahahahahahahaha
[20:01] <ali1234> they switched to cmake
[20:01] <Azelphur> :P
[20:02] <ali1234> add it to CMakeLists.txt
[20:02] <ali1234> https://github.com/synergy/synergy/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L197
[20:03] <ali1234> list(APPEND libs bluetooth)
[20:03] <ali1234> put it somewhere
[20:03] <Azelphur> stick it on line 198?
[20:03] <ali1234> put it on 271
[20:04] <Azelphur> k, rebuilding :)
[20:04] <ali1234> you need to rerun cmake
[20:04] <Azelphur> I'm actually just running make
[20:04] <Azelphur> make seems to build it
[20:05] <ali1234> cmake generates a makefile
[20:05] <Azelphur> never ran cmake
[20:06] <Azelphur> make seems to have worked though, looks like it built successfully
[20:06] <ali1234> you got synergyc and synergys?
[20:06] <Azelphur> yes
[20:07] <ali1234> okay next you need to pair your computers on bluetooth
[20:07] <ali1234> synergy can't do this, you must use blueman or something
[20:07] <ali1234> or gnome-bluetooth or whatever
[20:08] <Azelphur> amusingly this might be where we hit a roadblock, bluetooth on my laptop is fairly messed up to deal with hacky gasia ps3 controllers
[20:10] <ali1234> it should be fine
[20:10] <ali1234> it's very low level, it doesn't use profiles or anything like that
[20:10] <Azelphur> well, in its current state, sudo service start bluetooth fails and the bluetooth dialog won't open, says BlueZ isn't running
[20:10] <ali1234> heh, that's pretty messed up
[20:10] <Azelphur> yep
[20:11] <Azelphur> don't happen to know where I could see logs to figure out why bluetooth isn't starting?
[20:11] <ali1234> no idea these days
[20:11] <Azelphur> oh thats interesting, in dmesg it says failed to spawn bluetooth main process: unable to execute: permission denied
[20:12] <ali1234> rfcomm is the command line equivalent of ifconfig for bluetooth
[20:12] <ali1234> wait no
[20:12] <ali1234> it's hciconfig
[20:12] <Azelphur> fixed it
[20:12] <Azelphur> :D
[20:13] <ali1234> the config file format for synergy is a bit different too
[20:13] <ali1234> you don't need to put ip addresses, just names
[20:13] <ali1234> and the names are the same as what the device advertises
[20:14] <Azelphur> paired :D
[20:15] <ali1234> i'm a bit worried that patch is not valid
[20:15] <ali1234> it might not be the whole thing... seems short... i don't remember
[20:16] <ali1234> oh well. just write a config file and then run synergyc/synergys
[20:16] <ali1234> you might have to specify -bluetooth or --bluetooth
[20:16] <ali1234> i don't know why though since it doesn't seem to support anything else
[20:17] <ali1234> yeah this patch really can't be complete
[20:19] <Azelphur> the client is saying WARNING: failed to connect to server: unsupported address for: azelphur-XMG-P505
[20:19] <Azelphur> :<
[20:19] <Azelphur> ali1234, aww
[20:19] <ali1234> did you run it with -bluetooth?
[20:20] <Azelphur> -bluetooth and --bluetooth are both unknown flags
[20:20] <Azelphur> won't run with either
[20:20] <ali1234> hmm
[20:20] <ali1234> yeah patch looks incomplete
[20:20] <ali1234> i wonder why
[20:21] <Azelphur> oh well :<
[20:21] <ali1234> well there's always the tarball
[20:22] <Azelphur> hehe, yea I guess
[20:22] <Azelphur> would be nice to see this builtin at any rate, if you ever felt like working on it
[20:23] <ali1234> let me test the tarball
[20:23] <ali1234> then i will try to fix the patch
[20:23] <Azelphur> :)
[20:24] <ali1234> yeah the patch is definitely broken, it doesn't have sdp discovery stuff
[20:25] <ali1234> tarball won't build due to gcc warnings
[20:30] <ali1234> this patch is lol
[20:30] <ali1234> i dont even
[20:34] <ali1234> here is the REAL patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/10040936/
[20:35] <ali1234> well, roughly. i might have based it off the wrong version
[20:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: hope you appreciated that ;)
[20:52] <ali1234> ugh, they moved all the files around
[20:53] <ali1234> Azelphur: how did you even get this patch to apply?
[20:54] <Azelphur> ali1234, manually.
[20:54] <Azelphur> ali1234, and yea they did
[20:54] <ali1234> the real patch is 1000 lines
[20:54] <Azelphur> but you're looking for ./src/lib/arch/unix/ArchNetworkBSD.cpp no doubt
[20:54] <ali1234> yeah
[20:57] <ali1234> lol, the files are completely different
[20:58] <ali1234> the code that needs patching is now in a different place, probably completely rewritten
[21:03] <Azelphur> fun]
[21:33] <ali1234> 770 lines done
[21:46] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/synergy/commit/6333e2dfcaa096b64b66051657d914ca713455ed
[21:46] <ali1234> that won't build but it's a start