[04:43] <bduk> More almal
[05:40] <Trixar_za> I'll just leave this here: http://www.xkcd.com/
[06:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:39] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:47] <stickyboy> Morning, d00ds and d00dettes.
[06:47] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you've been to Rwanda.
[06:54] <bduk> Does google earth count stickyboy 
[07:06] <nuvolari> lol
[07:06]  * nuvolari does'nt think it does
[07:06] <bduk> dem
[07:06] <nuvolari> waar is oom kilos vanoggend? :-/
[07:07] <bduk> ook al gewonder hoop hy is ok
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[07:56] <Kilos> morning superfly  inetpro  rudi-is-me  ThatGraemeGuy  and others
[07:56] <rudi-is-me> Hi Kilos 
[07:56] <superfly> ohi
[07:58] <bduk> Hi Kilos  jy darem besluit om op te staan gedag daar is fout
[07:59] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[07:59] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[08:00] <Kilos> bduk  skape is al uit, kerrie kook lekker,  en baie dubbeltjies al uit gegrow
[08:01] <bduk> Klink lekker maar jy moet eerste kom groet anders worry ons 
[08:01] <Kilos> skuus man
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[08:09] <inetpro> you don't greet your friends from up north? :-)
[08:09] <Kilos> ai!
[08:09] <Kilos> hi stickyboy  
[08:10] <Kilos> hi zipper  
[08:11] <zipper> Kilos: Hey :)
[08:11] <Kilos> i must learn to start using smileys i spose
[08:15] <zipper> Kilos: lol only if the wanting to know comes from within you :)
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:16] <Kilos> i like pidgin because i can see the pics, here i must remember the code for them
[08:16] <Kilos> irc on pidgin is hard work with other im services too
[08:24] <stickyboy> Kilos: Hola
[08:24] <stickyboy> irssi 4 lyfe
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <rudi-is-me> hi
[08:37] <Kilos> inetpro  please give an explanation of what trello kan do for us
[08:37] <Kilos> s/kan/can
[08:38] <Kilos> will help getting others to join ons they can see your plan
[08:38] <Kilos> s/ons/us
[08:38] <Kilos> sjoe geeting my tales mixed up today
[08:40] <Kilos> getting
[08:51] <rudi-is-me> don't worry, it's still early :)
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: Trello can help us to get organised so we can be more effective
[08:59] <inetpro> you will notice that I have moved lists around to be more logical 
[08:59] <inetpro> we now have different lists for: New Ideas, To Do, Current Activities and Done
[08:59] <Kilos> yes i see that
[09:00] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows ya?
[09:00] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you can help us by taking some of the suggestions made at the meeting and add them as cards under "New ideas"
[09:01] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos 
[09:01] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  ek wag vir jou
[09:01] <Kilos> jy moet trello kry
[09:01] <nuvolari> ek't vir oom ge-hangout
[09:02] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[09:02] <nuvolari> ek het dit oom
[09:02] <nuvolari> ek is @johanmynhardt
[09:02] <Kilos> lol ok dankie ek sien dit op pidgin gewoonlik'
[09:02] <Kilos> watter naam het jy gegee? Johan?
[09:03] <nuvolari> gegee waarvoor?
[09:03] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:04] <Kilos> wel , dit wys n niek of naam wat jy daar insit
[09:04] <inetpro> Kilos: I added him now
[09:04] <Kilos> i see him ty inetpro  
[09:05] <Kilos> nuvolari  https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco-basics
[09:05] <Kilos> oi
[09:05]  * stickyboy starts a rival Arch Linux LoCo
[09:06] <Kilos> do they even have locos?
[09:06] <inetpro> stickyboy: go for it
[09:06] <stickyboy> :D
[09:07] <stickyboy> I'm into LUGs, not LoCos. :P
[09:07] <inetpro> stickyboy: we don't compete
[09:07] <Kilos> our loco has lug inside as well
[09:07]  * inetpro is also a sleeping member of GLUG
[09:08] <inetpro> Kilos: don't confuse me man
[09:08] <Kilos> the whole idea stickyboy  is to grow linux
[09:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: We can grow Linux by getting Tux tattoos on our foreheads.
[09:09] <Kilos> its a step up for lug members to join a loco
[09:09] <inetpro> ai!
[09:09] <Kilos> hehe
[09:09] <Kilos> stickyboy  the world out there is basically ignorant about linux
[09:09] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah
[09:10] <Kilos> some are as far as saying oh the server thing
[09:14] <Kilos> inetpro  what did i say that was confusing to a person of your calibre
[09:14] <Kilos> i didnt say anything about mechanics or farming
[09:15] <rudi-is-me> I had a client who was busy setting up an office with a few workstations and a server. He asked me if there was another option re the expensive lic fees for the workstations and server. I told him about Ubuntu and he sounded really interested, especially after I told him that it's way more stable. When he asked what it was going to cost him, I replied that the OS won't cost him a cent, he...
[09:15] <rudi-is-me> ...said well in that case it can't be worth  it
[09:15] <rudi-is-me> let's for of ms
[09:16] <Kilos> lol
[09:16] <Kilos> the world is full of idiots as well
[09:17] <rudi-is-me> I think we all have a bit of idiot in us, some just have more than others :)
[09:17] <Kilos> haha
[09:17] <Kilos> you need to change your approach to peeps like that
[09:18] <Kilos> take a lappy with and demo ubuntu and emphasize the no virus threat bit too
[09:18] <rudi-is-me> he went with vista and I still visit them on a regular basis, so in that regard I'm glad he went with ms, otherwise I wouldn't visit them regularly
[09:18] <Kilos> yeah win peeps are what keeps the economy going
[09:19] <rudi-is-me> they keep my economy going anyway. The one client I have with linux never phones me anymore :(
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <zipper> Kilos: What is a loco?
[09:25] <Kilos> local community i think
[09:25] <Kilos> its a small word with a big meaning
[09:28] <inetpro> 03/02 11:07:34 <Kilos> our loco has lug inside as well
[09:28] <inetpro> ^^
[09:29] <Kilos> lugs
[09:29]  * inetpro very confused with that
[09:29] <Kilos> we get dbnlug peeps here and the glug guys used to be here
[09:29] <Kilos> glug seems to have just about perished
[09:30] <inetpro> ah, now I understand better
[09:30] <Kilos> sorry for not doing it right
[09:30] <inetpro> glug is still alive, just not so much on IRC
[09:30] <Kilos> whats happened to glug
[09:31] <Kilos> #glug Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[09:31] <Kilos> who did that
[09:31] <inetpro> Kilos: #glug.za man
[09:31] <Kilos> oh ya
[09:31] <Kilos> whew
[09:32] <inetpro> Kilos: join the mailing list if you want to talk with glug peeps
[09:32] <Kilos> na im fine with you guys 
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7USLndZn
[09:43]  * ThatGraemeGuy cries
[09:45] <Kilos> oh my ThatGraemeGuy  is that an ssd
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1 of my external drives
[09:45] <Kilos> oh my
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> slightly more than a year old, this might be the fastest a drive has flaked out on me ever
[09:46] <Kilos> try sudo fsck -f /dev/drive
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm running ntfsfix, that's when all the errors started
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> filesystem checking tools don't fix physical errors unfortunately
[09:47] <Kilos> ai! and still kinda new
[09:47] <Kilos> ok lets try
[09:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:47] <Kilos> run badblocks
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I suspect you don't understand what an unrecovered read error is
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> who's running specials on external drives these days?
[09:48] <Kilos> i have had drives that give i/o errors  and with all the tools made them work longer
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[10:11] <rudi-is-me> ThatGraemeGuy: where are you based?
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> cape town
[10:12] <rudi-is-me> aha, maybe try somewhere like Esquire?
[10:12] <Eujean> Hi, does anyone know if the mirror is down or something? Seems to work fine with main server?
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm don't you need a dealer account with esquire? o_O
[10:12] <Kilos> hi Eujean  
[10:13] <rudi-is-me> I think you can get a daily pass or something like that
[10:13] <rudi-is-me> I know they have something like that here in GP
[10:14] <Kilos> Eujean  just give me the link for our mirrior and the bot can check
[10:14] <Kilos> its actually supposed to be using the kenya server
[10:15] <rudi-is-me> otherwise you can check this ThatGraemeGuy http://www.makro.co.za/computing-and-mobile/hard-drives-EBC?sort=3&display=64
[10:15] <rudi-is-me> btw what make was that drive?
[10:16] <Eujean> I was referring to http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:17] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ down
[10:18] <Kilos> oh my
[10:18] <rudi-is-me> it gives error 404 forbidden
[10:18] <Eujean> I also get 403 forbidden. But with http://archive.ubuntu.co/ubuntu/ it seems to work
[10:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> rudi-is-me: seagate
 Yes, http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is down (403 Forbidden)
[10:19] <rudi-is-me> ThatGraemeGuy: I've read that their drives aren't as hot as they used to be, but I have no idea which ones are good these days. anyone here have an idea?
[10:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, all drives fail, if you ask enough people you will come to the conclusion that every single manufacturer must be avoided like the plague
[10:21] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> Eujean  i think main is also pointed to Symmetria  s server
[10:23] <Kilos> Symmetria  which 2 are pointed to you?
[10:24] <rudi-is-me> that was based on a survey and of all drives tested seagate had the highest fail rate of all, so it wasn't hear say
[10:25] <rudi-is-me> but I get what you're saying about opinions
[10:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> surveys are pointless
[10:26] <rudi-is-me> ok the, I have no point then
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, i'm just a grumpy old fart, you get used to it, ask Kilos 
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[10:26] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <rudi-is-me> I would also be grumpy if my drive gave the ghost :)
[10:27] <inetpro> Eujean: use http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu/
[10:27] <rudi-is-me> and we all have those days, me, I have them all too often
[10:28] <Kilos> he even gets grumpy when my things give probs
[10:28] <Kilos> hehe
[10:28] <rudi-is-me> lol
[10:28] <Kilos> old age does strange things to peeps
[10:31] <Eujean> thanks inetpro will try now
[10:33] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  what size external are you looking for
[10:41] <Eujean> worked perfectly, thanks inetpro :)
[10:44] <zipper> Ha! I am trying to listen to Nirvana and read at the same time. I end up just drumming on the desk most of the time.
[10:44] <zipper> s/Ha!/haha/
[10:44] <Kilos> hehe
[10:45] <zipper> Their album "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah" is sweet \o/
[10:56] <inetpro> Eujean: you're welcome
[11:08] <Kilos> oh my is that me
[11:08] <qwebirc11563> ya
[11:35] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[11:54] <magespawn> i using one of the first programs iused to chat with mirc
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <Kilos> when you were still a win peep
[12:03] <magespawn> on that today
[12:06] <magespawn> that was back in the day, 1993-94. somewhere there
[12:06] <Kilos> lol
[12:07] <Kilos> i go try nap a while and see if it helps to stay up later
[13:56] <Kilos-> hi nl
[13:57] <Kilos-> nlsthzn    also as well too
[13:57] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos 
[13:57] <Kilos> you been gone long hey?
[13:59] <Kilos> you at work or home nlsthzn  ??
[13:59] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[13:59] <nlsthzn> currently at home uncle Kilos ... just been busy with this and that...
[13:59] <Kilos> here is a new this and that to do
[13:59] <nlsthzn> wife is very pregnant now and we are in the last few days / weeks ;)
[13:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:00] <nlsthzn> ugh another site that I need to sign up for :(
[14:00]  * nlsthzn can't see it happening :p
[14:00] <Kilos> register at trello then give email addy
[14:01] <Kilos> then pro will add you in somewhere
[14:01] <Kilos> its a tool to arrange and sort out your life
[14:01] <nlsthzn> but why?
[14:01] <Kilos> will help with baby stuffs
[14:01] <Kilos> heehee
[14:02] <nlsthzn> like all those fitness machines it is pointless having any of them if you don't use them :p
[14:02] <Kilos> reminds you when to change nappies etc
[14:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:02] <nlsthzn> I am pretty sure I will be reminded :p
[14:02] <Kilos> anyway if you wanna be stubborn today thats fine
[14:03] <Kilos> we still waiting for your suggestions on the new website
[14:03] <Kilos> didnt you read the flys mail??
[14:04] <Kilos> he needs ideas on what needs to go into the new site
[14:04] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/index.html
[14:05] <Kilos> his mail said something about writing stuffs then sending to him and he will use it 
[14:05] <Kilos> so nou, jou beurt is jou beurt
[14:05] <nlsthzn> did see... like I was saying about pregnant wife, impending baby etc. etc. :p
[14:05] <nlsthzn> I will try soon 
[14:06] <nlsthzn> just the next month or three may be a tad hectic
[14:06] <Kilos> all you can do atm is hold her hand and carry food and things to her
[14:07] <Kilos> dont forget anything or you will pay later
[14:17] <Kilos> haha another new neelsie coming
[14:19] <nlsthzn> :) yup
[14:25] <Kilos> one of these days i want to see a photo with you all in your turbans i think they call them
[14:25] <Kilos> and dresses and veils
[14:25] <Kilos> hehe
[14:27] <nlsthzn> do have some when we went to the grand mosque 
[14:27] <nlsthzn> who needs my trello user name? 
[14:30] <nlsthzn> posted to G+ 
[14:30] <Kilos> the pro
[14:30] <Kilos> or me
[14:31] <inetpro> nlsthzn: you can post here also
[14:31] <Kilos> he adds peeps quick so i dont enter you 4 times like with mage
[14:31] <inetpro> or PM me
[14:31]  * Kilos ducks
[14:32] <inetpro> nlsthzn: addded
[14:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:33] <Kilos> maybe a small welcoming card
[14:33] <Kilos> nlsthzn  https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco-basics
[14:33] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro 
[14:34] <nlsthzn> I saw the notifications on the site
[14:34] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yw
[14:34] <Kilos> welcome to trellos ubuntu za
[14:35] <nlsthzn> I will play with the site a bit tomorrow, we are just about to leave for some food...
[14:35] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn  enjoy
[14:35] <inetpro> enjoy!
[14:35] <Kilos> dates and camel milk
[14:35] <nlsthzn> almost :p
[14:35] <Kilos> cant be good for the figure methinks
[14:35] <Kilos> hee hee
[14:36] <nlsthzn> dunno, I am getting rather shapely (and with that I mean round) :p
[14:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:38] <Kilos> thats what i mean
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: don't forget to congratulate magespawn, it's his birthday today
[14:38] <Kilos> not good means carrying extra weigh to wear out the feet
[14:38] <Kilos> oh ty inetpro  
[14:38] <Kilos> Maaz  tell magespawn Happy birthday our friend
[14:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[14:44] <Kilos> i used to get warnings about birthdays, i wonder what i did to lose that
[14:52] <Kilos> haha inetpro  i moved the done card to the right is that ok?
[14:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I noticed, you got me lekker confused again
[14:54] <Kilos> well logically isnt the done stuff at the end?
[14:55] <inetpro> please don't have sleepless nights about it :-)
[14:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:55] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[14:55] <inetpro> the other stuff actually doesn't fit in there at all
[14:55] <Kilos> 2 days and some hours left
[14:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:56] <inetpro> I added that stuff before I realised how it should be done
[14:56] <Kilos> ya it gets too wide. we need to find a way to put cards under each other as well
[14:56] <Kilos> oh i see you also blunder along at times
[14:57] <Kilos> pity its not an ubuntu package them i could say man trello
[14:57] <inetpro> don't want too many lists on a board, we can always create more boards
[14:57] <Kilos> oh those are lists not cards
[14:58] <inetpro> yebo yes
[15:00] <Kilos> so where the cards went?
[15:01] <Kilos> see if to was under new ideas it would help
[15:01] <Kilos> to do
[15:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did you not go through the "Welcome Board" tips?
[15:05] <Kilos> i think so but forgot everything
[15:05] <Kilos> im a greeter bot not a programmer or web designer
[15:07] <inetpro> Scroll horizontally by dragging the background of a board
[15:07] <Kilos> it said make as many lists as you need
[15:07] <inetpro> sorry, that one is listed under https://trello.com/resources
[15:08] <inetpro> under Tips
[15:08] <Kilos> sjoe you killing my opera
[15:08] <Kilos> tabs go way off the end of the page
[15:09] <Kilos> sjoe so many tips
[15:13] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[15:13] <Kilos> time you got trello
[15:13] <Kilos> https://trello.com/
[15:14] <Kilos> register and give us your name or mail addy
[15:14] <Kilos> then you can see the ubuntu za page
[15:15] <Kilos> Squirm  what about you lad?
[15:17] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za  
[15:17] <Trixar_za> Hello Kilos
[15:18] <Kilos> are you joining us on trello?
[15:18] <Kilos> you need a new toy methinks
[15:20] <Trixar_za> Oh that. No - it's pretty broken.
[15:20] <Kilos> ai!
[15:20] <Kilos> tell the pro
[15:20] <Kilos> fix it
[15:21] <Trixar_za> I already registered, but I couldn't really get it work. Also no usable mobile interface.
[15:21] <Trixar_za> to*
[15:21] <Trixar_za> It's more pain that it's worth imho
[15:21] <Kilos> just give us your mail addy then you can see our page
[15:21] <Kilos> the pro is working there lots
[15:22] <Kilos> the main thing atm i think is to help the fly rebuild our website
[15:23] <Kilos> if everyone jumps in it will be done sooner
[15:23] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za  did they accept your sakis3g
[15:24] <inetpro> Trixar_za: yes, the mobile client seems to be very basic
[15:24] <inetpro> you have a better alternative?
[15:25] <inetpro> looks like many peeps are using Trello despite its weaknesses
[15:26] <Trixar_za> Kilos: No, they didn't.
[15:26] <Kilos> ai! whats their prob?
[15:26] <Trixar_za> And the last time somebody tried to invite me using my email - both of them - they couldn't. So my impression of Trello isn't very good.
[15:26] <Kilos> call your trix3g
[15:27] <Kilos> i think we done invite to our page we just add you
[15:27] <Kilos> dont invite
[15:27] <Trixar_za> I'm not sure there is a replacement for Trello - which would explain why people use it. You don't need to be the best if you're the only player in the game :P
[15:30] <Trixar_za> I prefer open systems that allow you to add yourself rather than make you or others jump through hoops to do so. Having specialized join request page and authentication by a group admin/moderator would be enough to keep unwanted people out of the group.
[15:30] <Kilos> well then the best way is to help them make it better
[15:31] <Trixar_za> Good luck with that
[15:31] <Kilos> lol that was meant for you man
[15:34] <Trixar_za> The sarcasm implies that I've already tried that.
[15:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:34] <Trixar_za> It was like reporting on a feature with mozilla
[15:34] <Trixar_za> And asking the ANC who's fault something is
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <Kilos> our page is coming along fine i think
[15:35] <Kilos> pro working hard there
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[15:36] <inetpro> Trixar_za: you asking me to make our page publicly accessible?
[15:37] <inetpro> or visible
[15:37] <Kilos> ohi TinuvaMac  
[15:38] <Kilos> how well you know them mac things
[15:38] <inetpro> guess we have nothing to hide
[15:38] <Kilos> that could make it easier hey inetpro  ?
[15:38] <Trixar_za> Have they atleast removed the stupid restriction of company domains only for registrations to an 'organization'?
[15:41] <inetpro> Trixar_za: I changed it to public now, can you see it at https://trello.com/ubuntuza ?
[15:42]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[15:48] <Kilos> inetpro  http://azloco.org
[15:49] <Kilos> is that what you want our login page to resemble
[15:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ask superfly
[15:49] <Kilos> i thought our old one was cool
[15:49] <Kilos> fly not herew
[15:49] <Kilos> here either
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: the look and feel is done already man
[15:50] <inetpro> a least the basic look and feel
[15:50] <Kilos> i dont see it
[15:50] <inetpro> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[15:50] <Kilos> ai!
[15:51] <Kilos> the hello world one?
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I still don't like Trello even if they improved it since I last tried it. Like now, even after having had to recreate my account, there is NO way I can request to join your board or whatever it's called.
[15:52] <Kilos> cant you search for ubuntuza?
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Oh and it did not tell me that it sent an authentication email. Just grayed out the button. So I sat there for 5 minutes like a chop because somebody was too lazy to code a freaking notification.
[15:53] <Kilos> oh my
[15:53] <Kilos> i get lots of mails from them
[15:54] <Trixar_za> Easy to use my ass
[15:54] <Kilos> thats weird, even i got in there
[15:55] <Kilos> give you addy lets try add you to us then we see
[15:56] <Trixar_za> No. If this was worth anything, it would have given me an option. Expecting any organisation to first communicate using an external service just so they can join a page on your software means it's not well implemented.
[15:58] <Kilos> ai!
[15:58] <inetpro> Trixar_za: I think I can agree with that but this is not really like joining an organisation, it's just a tool to help us get organised better
[15:59] <Trixar_za> By complicating things for people wanting to simplify and organise themselves?
[15:59] <inetpro> btw, I have now made the board public as well
[15:59] <Trixar_za> I know. I'm looking at it right now. It just doesn't give me any option to join.
[16:00] <inetpro> first time I do this, wasn't sure about all the options
[16:04] <Trixar_za> I'm just going to close this tab. It's like listening to Bok Radio's DJs talk - the idoicy just exasperate me.
[16:04] <Trixar_za> Bad design just feel like a personal insult :|
[16:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:21] <Kilos> bbl
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:14] <magespawn> hey hey
[17:14] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn Happy birthday our friend" 2 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds ago
[17:16] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:16] <Private_User> just sat down here now
[17:17] <Private_User> what is this trello about?
[17:18] <magespawn> hi Private_User 
[17:18] <Private_User> hi magespawn
[17:18] <Private_User> is it really your birthday magespawn?
[17:19] <magespawn> unfortunately
[17:19] <Private_User> Happy Birthday!!!
[17:19] <magespawn> ty
[17:19] <Kilos> hi my magespawn   happy happy lad
[17:19] <Kilos> how old now?
[17:19] <Kilos> how young also
[17:19] <magespawn> thanks Kilos 
[17:20] <magespawn> 39
[17:20] <Kilos> sjoe ballie time close
[17:20] <magespawn> just around the corner
[17:20] <Kilos> Private_User  its a tool for organising stuff i think
[17:21] <magespawn> workflow collaboration tool
[17:21] <Kilos> read what the pro said about it
[17:21] <Kilos> ty magespawn  
[17:21] <Kilos> you need to put a photo there
[17:22] <magespawn> i'll get around to it at some point
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> evening superfly  
[17:23] <Private_User> ok thanks Kilos
[17:23] <Private_User> thanks magespawn
[17:23] <magespawn> np
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: happy birthday!
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: 21 again?
[17:47] <inetpro> Happy Birthday magespawn 
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe inetpro  see if they can add a join button for those that find things difficult
[18:05]  * inetpro still not exactly sure why Trixar_za is so unhappy about the joining part
[18:06] <Kilos> maybe hes having a bad mood day
[18:07] <inetpro> btw, I changed the main ubuntuza org page back to private but the LoCo board is public
[18:08] <inetpro> for now
[18:08] <inetpro> superfly: that ok with you?
[18:08] <Kilos> i dont mind
[18:08] <superfly> inetpro: whatevs
[18:09] <inetpro> didn't look cool to display all members there with permission status
[18:11] <inetpro> ok, so let's get cracking
[18:11] <inetpro> how about we tackle the new site's About page today?
[18:12] <inetpro> that would be http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/about.html
[18:13] <inetpro> what content would you like people to see when they land on this page?
[18:14] <Kilos> diverse group of people
[18:14] <Kilos> otherwise its good imo
[18:15] <Kilos> isnt set of peeps kinda wrong
[18:19] <superfly> inetpro: do we really need an about us page? is the jumbotron on the front page not enough?
[18:19] <inetpro> superfly: I was wondering about exactly that now
[18:20] <inetpro> at least I don't think we need the About page as well as the Contact page 
[18:20] <Kilos> whats a jumbotron
[18:21] <inetpro> superfly: I say we keep either Contact or About
[18:21] <Kilos> those headings?
[18:21] <Kilos> they need to be in english
[18:21] <superfly> Kilos: the jumbotron is the big block on the front page with a big button in it
[18:21] <superfly> inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/mailing-list/+merge/248432
[18:22] <Kilos> oh the hello world block
[18:23] <superfly> yes
[18:24] <Kilos> ya thats cool because that leads to everywhere else right?
[18:24] <superfly> inetpro: should we rename "contact us" to "get involved" ?
[18:24] <superfly> Kilos: that's the idea, yes
[18:24] <inetpro> superfly: good idea 
[18:25] <Kilos> so going that route makes a site that open fast
[18:26] <Kilos> which is important in todays world
[18:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:27] <inetpro> superfly: should I wait before I review?
[18:27] <inetpro> actually trying to find my notes from last time
[18:28] <superfly> inetpro: not at all. take a look, approve if you think my changes look good, and then I'll merge
[18:28] <superfly> unless you want to merge.
[18:28] <Kilos> we have 2 days to get something working there because the council will want to see something with flys application i think
[18:28]  * inetpro approved
[18:30] <superfly> inetpro: do you want to merge, or do you want me to?
[18:30] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[18:30] <Tonberry_> hi
[18:30] <inetpro> superfly: can you give me the steps again... maybe good if I do it
[18:31] <superfly> inetpro: go to your trunk directory
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr up
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr merge <remote branch>
[18:31] <superfly> $ bzr commit -m "<message>"
[18:32] <superfly> actually, $ bzr commit -m "<message>" --author="Author Name <author@name.com>"
[18:32] <inetpro> go to trunk would start with '$ cd ~/Projects/ubuntu-za/trunk' ?
[18:32] <superfly> ya
[18:33] <superfly> inetpro: so your merge command will look like this: $ bzr merge lp:~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/mailing-list
[18:33] <inetpro> ah
[18:33] <inetpro> ty
[18:35] <superfly> inetpro: the merge proposal page actually tells you the command to run
[18:36] <inetpro> done
[18:36] <superfly> woo!
[18:36] <superfly> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za-dev/ubuntu-za/website
[18:36] <superfly> see? it has my commit
[18:37] <inetpro> cool, now you need to do the Nikola thing
[18:38] <inetpro> before Kilos can see the latest change
[18:38] <superfly> will do, in a few
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <superfly> baby...
[18:38] <inetpro> haha
[18:38] <Kilos> im always in it even when im out of it
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a slow and clumsy process but we'll get there
[18:39] <Kilos> i am patient
[18:39] <Kilos> to a fault
[18:40] <Kilos> dont know what that actually means but it always sounded good
[18:41] <inetpro> superfly: what about captine's changes the other day?
[18:42] <inetpro> status is still Pending 
[18:43] <superfly> inetpro: review them, but he probably needs to merge trunk into his branch, and then push up again
[18:45] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[18:45] <kulelu88> hi hi
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: done
[18:45] <superfly> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/contact.html
[18:45] <kulelu88> how much are .info domains?
[18:46] <inetpro> superfly: nice!
[18:46]  * inetpro likes the subscribe box sommer inside our site
[18:47] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[18:47] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: do you see the change?
[18:48] <Kilos> nope
[18:48] <magespawn> ty
[18:48] <inetpro> refresh
[18:48] <superfly> Ctrl+F5
[18:48] <superfly> inetpro: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/bzr-tutorial/+merge/248434
[18:49] <inetpro> approved
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: shall I do the merge again?
[18:50] <superfly> inetpro: if you want to
[18:51] <superfly> let me know when you're done
[18:52] <inetpro> ok
[18:52] <inetpro> how do I add multiple lines in the message?
[18:52] <inetpro>  -m "...\n..." ?
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: uh, I think that might work. I usually use "qcommit" and type it in the GUI
[18:53] <inetpro> qcommit?
[18:53] <inetpro> that's something new
[18:53] <superfly> comes with qbzr
[18:54] <inetpro> interesting
[18:54] <superfly> sudo apt-get install qbzr
[18:54] <superfly> gives you gui dialogs
[18:54] <superfly> qlog
[18:55] <inetpro> Need to get 42,9 MB of archives
[18:55] <inetpro> getting there
[18:57] <inetpro> superfly: so what would the whole commit command look like?
[18:57] <inetpro> 85%
[18:59] <superfly> inetpro: $ bzr qcommit
[18:59] <inetpro> damn!
[19:00] <inetpro> superfly: I'm running in a VM :-(
[19:00] <superfly> yoish
[19:00] <inetpro> that was not very clever
[19:00] <inetpro> hang on two secs
[19:00]  * superfly looks for something to grab
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <inetpro> superfly: Committed revision 10.                                                                                                                     
[19:08] <superfly> ah, finally!
[19:08] <inetpro> sorry for the delay
[19:08] <inetpro> \n didn't do it
[19:09] <inetpro> will find out about that
[19:09] <superfly> inetpro: that's why you just press <enter> in qcommit
[19:09] <inetpro> other option would be just to use vim as the editor
[19:10]  * inetpro is rusted
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <magespawn> sudo aptitude install qbzr
[19:11] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm running the branch on a server in a VM
[19:11] <magespawn> cool beans 
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: yep, don't specify an -m and it'll open up $EDITOR
[19:12] <magespawn> does get a bit confusing when working with more than one pc/windows etc
[19:12] <inetpro> we'll get there
[19:14] <magespawn> one question, why work in restructured text then convert it into html, why not just work in in html?
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: captine's changed merged
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: html, ugh. life's too short
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: have you ever tried editing a technical document in HTML?
[19:15] <superfly> this is *WAY* more maintainable. AND non-technical people can also contribute.
[19:16] <magespawn> nope, what would qualify as a technical document?
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: wow, we're on the roll today
[19:16] <superfly> inetpro: just stuff I've been doing here and there.
[19:16] <superfly> magespawn: have you seen the Python documentation?
[19:17] <magespawn> yes, i see
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: let us know when you've updated with Nikola
[19:18] <superfly> OK, then I need to go after that.
[19:18] <magespawn> how do i check the installed nikola version again?
[19:20] <superfly> Maaz: tell captine http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/getting-involved.html
[19:20] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell captine on freenode
[19:20] <inetpro> superfly: I can confirm that the subscription form works
[19:20]  * inetpro just tested
[19:20] <superfly> inetpro: I know ;-)
[19:20] <superfly> magespawn: nikola --version
[19:20] <magespawn> ty
[19:21] <magespawn> which one do we need?
[19:21] <superfly> 7.1
[19:21] <superfly> or, at least 7
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: I added a link to the forum in the "Social Media" list
[19:22] <inetpro> superfly: nice! Thanks 
[19:22] <inetpro> now we can even give the forums a go again
[19:23] <magespawn> okay, cool beans, 7.0.1
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: you not jumping up and down yet, what's wrong?
[19:23] <Kilos> lol im looking
[19:24] <Kilos> the learn more button still does go anywhere
[19:24] <Kilos> doesnt
[19:25] <inetpro> learn more button?
[19:25] <inetpro> oh, on the home page
[19:25] <Kilos> ya that jumbo thing
[19:26] <inetpro> ya man relax, we updated everything else except the home page
[19:29] <magespawn> i forget the link
[19:29] <inetpro> magespawn: https://trello.com/
[19:30] <magespawn> not that one, the one where the temp site is
[19:30] <inetpro> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> its in there i think
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/
[19:31] <magespawn> ty
[19:31] <Kilos> so where is captines stuff?
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz  seen captine
[19:32] <Maaz> Kilos: captine was last seen 1 day, 16 hours, 49 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-01 18:42:19 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-02-01 20:49:08 PST
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/getting-involved.html
[19:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:33] <Kilos> oh thats cool
[19:33] <Kilos> methunk fly dunnit
[19:33] <inetpro> clever hey?
[19:34] <Kilos> ya
[19:35] <magespawn> looking good
[19:37] <Kilos> nice and fast too
[19:38] <magespawn> another question, if you create a site with nikola, can you edit the html afterwards?
[19:39] <magespawn> a bit pointless i know, just curious
[19:41] <magespawn> if i can learn how to work this properly i will be redoing all the company websites with it
[19:41] <Kilos> sjoe you too old to learn all this new stuffs
[19:41] <magespawn> joomla is too much, and the security of the sites is a nightmare
[19:41] <magespawn> never too old to learn Kilos 
[19:41] <Kilos> oh only after next year
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:42] <magespawn> just sometimes takes longer
[19:43] <Kilos> you need to save everything them 2 talk about
[19:43] <magespawn> and dedicate some time to learning it
[19:43] <magespawn> but right now it is bedtime
[19:43] <magespawn> good night all
[19:44] <Kilos> lol night magespawn  sleep tight
[19:44] <kulelu88> Maaz seen spinza
[19:44] <Maaz> kulelu88: spinza was last seen 24 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-10 06:17:18 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-03 09:17:13 PST
[19:44] <kulelu88> Maaz seen cocooncrash 
[19:44] <Maaz> kulelu88: cocooncrash was last seen 6 months, 26 days, 2 hours, 1 minute and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-12 10:43:21 PDT], and has been online on atrum since 2015-01-28 13:13:20 PST
[19:44] <kulelu88> :-/
[19:45] <Kilos> the crash kid doesnt have time anymore
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: now you can even see superfly's tutorial here: http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:45] <Kilos> just manages to fix maaz when it breaks
[19:45] <inetpro> no need to save everything we say here
[19:45] <Kilos> didnt i tell maaz to remember that
[19:46] <inetpro> it has never been online like this
[19:47] <inetpro> superfly: now we just need your nikola tutorial as well :-)
[19:47] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <inetpro> I really like this man
[19:47] <inetpro> very cool
[19:48] <Kilos> Maaz  fly.bazaar
[19:48] <Maaz> http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:49] <Kilos> now we need fly.nikola
[19:49] <inetpro> oh, ok
[19:49] <inetpro> never too old to learn something new
[19:50] <inetpro> eish!
[19:50] <Kilos> wat nou?
[19:50] <Kilos> what did you break
[19:50]  * inetpro being doff again... obviously it was there, I even posted the link on trello
[19:51] <Kilos> oh we can share the addy again, im not doing stupid things atm
[19:51] <inetpro> getting confused because it was not merged into the bzr project yet
[19:51] <Kilos> so its just the home page now?
[19:52] <inetpro> well, and anything else you want to change
[19:52] <Kilos> not me i follow the leaders
[19:52] <Kilos> maybe a link to blogs will be good
[19:52] <inetpro> I think we need a tutorials page
[19:52] <Kilos> we can all start new blogs
[19:53] <Kilos> ya that too
[19:53] <Kilos> poor fly got so much work
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: the way he has done it is exactly meant to save him time
[19:55] <Kilos> haha there is a good add on the idiot box
[19:55] <Kilos> laatie does lots of his moms work for her so she can have time to attend his play
[19:59] <inetpro> :-)
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: look at this one: http://www.ubuntu.org.zw/node/7
[20:02] <Kilos> inetpro  i tried to contact them, i think they are dead
[20:02] <inetpro> ah
[20:04] <Kilos> even mails cant be delivered
[20:08] <Kilos> oh inetpro  you can put rep of congo in the networking list too
[20:08] <Kilos> arnaud is there
[20:08] <inetpro> uh, you are welcome to do it sir
[20:08] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[20:08] <Kilos> at least i have you to fix it
[20:09] <inetpro> right there where I added: "add more here"
[20:09] <inetpro> did that for you
[20:10] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:10] <Kilos> did it work?
[20:10] <inetpro> yep, as easy as that
[20:10] <Kilos> cool beans
[20:10] <inetpro> have you linked them yet?
[20:10] <Kilos> who always says that
[20:11] <Kilos> well isnt them agreeing to be linked to us linking them
[20:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:12] <inetpro> so you had a conversation?
[20:12] <Kilos> of course
[20:13] <Kilos> arnaud said we can help him setup a loco as soon as they have all got launchpad goodies
[20:13] <inetpro> ahh
[20:14] <Kilos> i think he has some peeps more raw than i am
[20:14] <inetpro> now go add more of them on the list who you still want to connect with
[20:14] <inetpro> gotta set some goals here sir
[20:14] <Kilos> the fly said dont rush
[20:15] <Kilos> 2 is enough for starters
[20:15] <inetpro> of course, no rush needed, but you can list them so long, unless you want to forget again
[20:15] <Kilos> the end goal is to link the whole of africa
[20:16] <Kilos> and sticky is going to give me more info after he has been to some neighbouring countries on work
[20:16] <inetpro> well there's a list of African LoCos at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[20:17] <Kilos> hi octoquad  
[20:17] <Kilos> ty for that
[20:18] <inetpro> we just need to try get them all Verified again
[20:19] <kulelu88> start with namibia, bots, kenya
[20:19] <inetpro> or at least some of them
[20:19] <Kilos> ill contact them over time and see what can be done
[20:19] <Kilos> namibia has 6 members and they dont answer queries even when directed to their admin guys
[20:20] <Kilos> remember i said you should approach them in german
[20:20] <Kilos> ill try joining them next and using afrikaans
[20:21] <Kilos> one aunty has some nice blogs
[20:21] <Kilos> mainly about farming
[20:21] <Kilos> veggies
[20:28] <Kilos> inetpro  how does on reverify locos?
[20:28] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:28] <Kilos> that was hard work
[20:29] <Kilos> maybe better to go with verified locos first
[20:29] <Kilos> anyway. night all. sleep tight
[20:30] <inetpro> that should not be your biggest worry, just try to get contacts first and let them worry about the verification
[20:30] <inetpro> all they need is a little bit of motivation
[20:37] <octoquad> hey Kilos :)
[20:46] <inetpro> hmm... he lost connectivity?
[20:46] <inetpro> oh no, he actually said good night
[20:46] <inetpro> that was too quick
[21:09] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for telling us about qbzr
[21:09] <inetpro> qlog is brilliant
[21:10] <superfly> yw