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Noskcajthanks micahg04:58
Unit193Long gone, mate.04:59
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ochosinot that anybody has noticed i guess, but spinners in all our gtk3 apps are broken16:25
ochosii already pushed a branch for greybird and added the icon needed for it to work to elementary-xfce in git16:25
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elfybrainwash: bug 1416843 17:36
ubottubug 1416843 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Indicator element appears over the panel, not above" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141684317:36
elfyhttp://i.imgur.com/3sr4Wd7.png17:36
elfyif you happen to click transmission in the panel and have shaky finger and click twice - you will in fact hit quit for it :)17:37
brainwoshelfy, ok.. but it works fine here. the menu never covers my panel17:40
elfyseems to work ok for me if panel is at top17:42
brainwoshelfy, it happens if you uncheck "reserve space on border" in the panel settings17:43
elfymine's on intellihide currently so that option's not available17:44
brainwoshI guess it's a valid report after all17:45
elfydefinitley an issue17:45
elfyyea :)17:45
elfyI'll comment17:45
elfyI'll do an upstream one too if it's needed17:45
brainwoshthanks, please mention that it's best to forward this bug upstream :)17:46
brainwoshheh :D17:46
elfybrainwosh: bug report against xfce4-panel or? 17:49
brainwoshxfce4-indicator-plugin, because only the indicator menus are affected17:51
brainwoshother panel items are fine17:51
elfynot there to report against17:52
elfynvm17:52
brainwoshI'm not sure if the menu placement is affected by the indicator-plugin, maybe it's something in the indicator code17:54
elfyok reported and LP updated 17:59
brainwoshthanks17:59
elfyat least I don't have to do a "It'll just get ignored why bother" :)18:00
brainwoshit's a rare case I'd guess. one has to move the panel to the bottom and configure it to not reserve space (so windows can go behind the panel)18:02
elfybrainwosh: not so rare - especially if we start giving people intellihide 18:03
elfypeople have to be expected to not like the defaults :)18:03
elfywb cjbrambo 18:16
elfycjbrambo is rare - someone who wants to help us with testing \o/ 18:16
cjbramboHi hi18:17
slickymasterWorkelfy, FYI http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ is up now18:17
slickymasterWorkbah wrong channel18:20
cjbrambo^ I think that leads to an answer to an upcoming question of mine.18:20
elfyslickymasterWork: zsync is still being an issue here18:21
elfybbs18:21
cjbramboI'm currently on 14.1018:21
cjbramboNever mind http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150202/18:23
elfycjbrambo: in short - because I'm still not really here :)18:25
elfyyou can do one of 3 things18:26
elfyupgrade that install to 15.0418:26
slickymasterWorkbbl ->18:26
elfyinstall 15.04 to a seperate partition18:26
elfyinstall 15.04 in a virt environment of some sort 18:26
elfywe'll help you once you know which you're prefer to use :)18:26
elfyI'm in and out for the next hour or so, but will be back later18:27
elfyknome pleia2 - I never know who's got control of social stuff - but could someone tweet or f/b or google the mail for trusty point testing please :)18:27
pleia2will do momentarily18:28
elfythanks awfully :)18:29
cjbramboI'm fine with upgrading. 18:31
pleia2all posted18:42
pleia2I'll do one reminding people about QA for stickers soon too, now that it's february18:42
drc<slickymasterWork> elfy, FYI http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ is up now  It may be up, but it's really really slow and in the end I get 0 byte files (tyried twice now).  Anyone else having these problems?19:01
drcBTW, it's not my 'net connection :)19:01
drcI should note it's slow in display and refreshing, not DL'ing.19:02
drcbut as I get a 0 byte file "slow" is relative :)19:03
drcOK, got a iso and md5 matches.  Not sure what happened before.19:10
cjbramboNot off to a great start http://i.imgur.com/wP6wOkn.png19:26
brainwosh_cjbrambo, bug 140955519:32
ubottubug 1409555 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "drop extras.ubuntu.com" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140955519:32
elfycjbrambo: that normal - just disable them , other software in software and updates - independent19:38
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elfycjbrambo: how's it going ?20:10
cjbramboIt's upgrading.20:11
elfynice - which method you using? 20:11
cjbrambousing the gui software updater20:12
elfyok 20:12
elfyoh great :|20:41
elfyseems that the .2 version of trusty has ibus in it 20:45
elfythought we got rid of that 20:45
cjbramboelfy, the upgrade to 15.04 took quite nicely.20:47
elfycjbrambo: excellent - this your main machine? using it a lot? 20:48
cjbramboI use it a lot for development. But I always keep it so that I won't miss anything off it if something goes awry.20:49
elfywe call that exploratory testing, so if you use one of the default apps - for anything, please have a look at the package test for it20:51
elfyhttp://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases20:51
elfysay you used mousepad - find that there ^^ 20:52
elfyand have a look - then you can report bugs (if you've found and reported it to LP)20:52
elfyand pass or fail 20:52
elfyhttp://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases/1557/results20:53
elfyochosi: just so you know - the .2 for trusty is about - and I have critically failed 32 and 64 bit as we seem to have ibus there again and I couldn't login with my password using US keyboard20:54
brainwoshlogin on the greeter screen?20:55
elfymmm20:58
elfynow I can 20:58
cjbramboand would it be most helpful for me to just start at the top of the test cases and work my way down?20:58
elfycjbrambo: no need to do that :)20:58
cjbramboheh even better!20:59
elfywe set that tracker up at cycle start, then changed what we wanted to do 20:59
elfyif you USE one of those apps - you can report against it - better to really use something than just run through a basic testcase20:59
cjbramboGotcha21:00
elfybrainwosh: mmm, not sure what's going on there - not got time tonight to do more21:00
elfyit'll have to wait till tomorrow now21:01
elfycjbrambo: nice to see you - thanks for helping us all - and that means you as well if you use Xubuntu21:03
cjbrambono problem. Been looking for a way to get involved with open source. Happy to help21:03
elfy:)21:03
elfythis is a pretty painfree way to do that :)21:04
cjbramboWhy I chose it!21:04
elfyWhy I chose it too :p21:04
elfyand that coding is all a foreign land to me ... 21:04
cjbramboI'm new to programming. So, not much I can do there21:05
elfy:)21:06
elfywell - I'll see you next time - I'm off for the night now21:07
elfyothers are about off and on if you're still here later 21:07
cjbramboGreat. I'll through questions out when they arise21:08
ochosielfy: hm, crap, that sounds bad. guess we gotta figure out what pulls it in21:52
ochosielfy: and meh, that indicator bug sucks a bit. i'm not sure whether that's fixed best in the panel or actually in the indicator-plugin...22:08
ochosibut it could be an indicator-problem, since they are at the top of the screen in ubuntu too22:09
ochosimaybe there's some code related to that, but this is just a (very) wild guess22:09
ochosiali1234: wanna take a peek at that ^, aka https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141684322:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1416843 in Xfce4 Indicator Plugin "Indicator element appears over the panel, not above" [Medium,Confirmed]22:09
ali1234i don't understand it22:10
ochosiit's pretty easy to reproduce22:10
ochosimove your panel to the lower end of the screen, set it to autohide or intellihide and click an indicator22:11
ali1234can't reproduce22:12
ochosiin vivid?22:12
ali1234no in 14.0422:12
ochosioh right22:13
ali1234with the dev ppa22:13
ochosihm, so what panel version is that then22:13
ochosilemme check22:13
ali12344.11.222:13
ali1234there is actually a gap between the panel and the menu22:13
ochosiwith dev-ppa you're referring to -staging?22:13
ali1234but only at the bottom of the screen22:13
ali1234i guess yeah22:13
ochosiok, that should be fine22:14
ali1234this is probably related to the struts bug22:14
ochosiso you're on the same panel version22:14
ochosiyeah22:14
ochosii thought so too22:14
ali1234which has been fixed22:14
ochosibut it seems to happen exclusively with indicators22:14
ali1234although that should never cause an overlap22:14
ochosimaybe they broke something in the indicators then22:14
ali1234yeah because indicators are gtk322:14
ali1234gtk2 menus aren't affected22:14
ali1234it is a gtk3 regression22:14
ochosiyeha, i remember now22:14
ochosithe weird thing is that with a panel at the top of the screen everything is totally fine and expected22:15
ochosiit happens only at the bottom22:15
ali1234anyway, struts but only affects multimonitor22:15
ali1234it's almost certainly related somehow22:15
ali1234ah22:15
ali1234i know22:15
ochosiwtf22:15
ochosiit also works on left and right22:15
ochosi*only* bottom is broken22:16
ali1234so you can reproduce?22:16
ochosiyeah22:16
ali1234okay22:16
ali1234i need to look somehting up22:16
ali1234hold on a minute22:16
ochosisure22:16
ochosii'll fix something else meanwhile22:16
ali1234bug 139747022:17
ubottubug 1397470 in ubuntu-mate "Bottom Panel Covering Bottom Of Windows (Strut Issue?)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139747022:17
ali1234have a look at that bug22:17
ali1234and then run the commands in it and pastebin the output for me22:18
ochosi_NET_WORKAREA(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 1920, 1200, 0, 0, 1920, 1200, 0, 0, 1920, 120022:18
ochosi_NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY(CARDINAL) = 3200, 120022:18
ali1234hah22:19
ali1234you have no struts at all22:19
ochosihttp://dpaste.com/3YD1R5X22:19
ochosiyeah, the panel is set to intelligent hiding22:19
ochosiconsequently, no struts22:19
ali1234okay so can you somehow make the panel unhide while running those commands?22:19
ali1234without setting it to never hide of course22:20
ochosiah sure22:21
ali1234sleep 5 && command - then move mouse over the bottom of the screen22:21
ochosiit wasn't hidden though22:22
ochosimy terminal window wasn't maximized22:22
ali1234oh, intelligent? okay22:22
ochosiso with intelligent hiding, the panel is shown22:22
ali1234so then the problem is that the panel doesn't set struts when it unhides itself22:22
ochosibut still no struts22:22
ochosiyeah22:22
ochosii guess that must be it22:22
ali1234simples22:22
ochosii have no idea how to handle that though22:22
ali1234report a bug :P22:22
ali123413.10 didn't have gtk3 did it?22:23
ali1234indicators i mean22:23
ali1234or did it?22:23
ochosieasy, elfy has already done that: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150122:23
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11501 in General "Panel at bottom, indicator covers panel" [Normal,New]22:23
ochosino, 14.04 was the first to have gtk3 indicators iirc22:24
ali1234right, so that's why22:24
ali1234it's gtk3 again22:24
ali1234the thing is that the panel shouldn't set struts when it autohides22:24
ochosihmm22:24
ali1234it would make all the windows it covers resize (possibly)22:24
ali1234certainly maximized ones22:25
ochosithing is, i never touched any of the struts code and didn't test the indicators in all layout positions obviously (when i was fixing intelligent hiding, i mean)22:25
ochosiyeah22:25
ali1234i mean, autohide panel covers maximized windows right? so it should appear behind menus too22:25
ochosiso how can we work around that then?22:25
ali1234absolutely no idea22:25
ali1234i don't think we even should22:25
ochosithe sucky thing is that it works just fine in gtk222:26
ochosii guess i haven't really understood what gtk3 is messing up there22:26
ali1234they rewrote the menu placement code22:26
ochosihm, ok22:26
ali1234i can't even reproduce this but i suspect that if you boot up with the panel set to not autohide, then the struts just stay the way they were always set22:26
brainwoshelfy, should the daily xubuntu trusty image include stuff from -proposed?22:27
ali1234struts and all the netwm stuff is horrible22:27
ali1234so badly broken22:27
ali1234i mean it's quite simple really22:27
ochosihm, yeah, just tried that (restarted the panel), that didn't work. although i see why it could've22:28
ali1234too simple really22:28
ochosiso no tricks/hacks we can add to the indicator-plugin to behave more like gtk2?22:29
ochosi(not that i consider this a huge issue, it's actually rather a corner-case)22:29
ochosiso with autohide it works fine for you in 14.04?22:30
ali1234i wouldn't say fine22:31
ali1234it is actually too high22:31
ali1234wait that is because i have two panels on two monitors22:31
ali1234let me retest22:31
ochosimy first instinct was that it's a regression introduced by intelligent hiding, but then again, no struts code was touched22:32
ali1234no, it isn't22:32
ali1234it has always been "broken"22:32
ali1234it's just that only gtk3 exposes it22:33
brainwoshintelligent hiding in 14.04?22:34
ali1234actually, considering that it doesn't happen at the top of the screen, all what i just said is most likely bullshit22:35
ali1234i've got no idea :S22:35
brainwoshping the indicator guy22:36
ali1234i could go and start an argument with gtk devs if you want22:36
ali1234this needs thorough testing inside a VM i think22:37
ochosihmyeah, i guess so22:37
ali1234i should make a tool to mangle the struts22:37
ochosiwell, frankly i'm not sure it's really worth it22:37
brainwoshyou cannot even trigger this bug in unity, because the panel is always visible and placed at the top22:37
ali1234that way i can throw any nonsense and see what gdk does with it22:37
ali1234brainwosh: i bet you can22:38
ochosii hope that we can work towards a gtk3 panel soon22:38
ali1234if you have multimonitor22:38
ochosiand then we'll have to solve this at the panel level for everything i guess22:38
ali1234the panel needs a rewrite :(22:38
brainwoshbroken things everywhere22:38
ochosinot sure22:38
ochosibrainwosh: everywhere? you really seem to like overstating things22:39
ali1234argh22:39
ali1234firefox is going behind my bottom panel now22:39
ali1234hide: never, reserve space on borders -> struts are still messed up22:39
ali1234fixed it22:40
brainwoshstartup notify stopped working on my desktop (root area), thunar crashed -> "double free or corruption (fasttop), some random X server complete freeze, and many more today22:40
ali1234someone found out how to reproduce the thunar crash on ascending to parent directory22:41
brainwoshand I'm just using the pc for basic stuff22:41
ali1234i'm also getting LOADS of flash plugin and firefox crashes22:41
ali1234and the odd X freeze, probably related to flash/firefox22:41
ali1234and i'm on 14.0422:41
ali1234this distro might have jumped the shark :(22:42
brainwoshremove flash22:42
ali1234i might install flashblock actually22:42
ali1234so check this rant: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10725#c1322:43
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10725 in Window Buttons "Setting "Show windows from all monitors" stops working correctly after changing monitor layout" [Normal,New]22:43
ali1234this can't be fixed without a panel abi break22:43
ochosiyeah, i've seen the report before22:44
brainwoshso much to do22:45
ochosithe only thing i can say is discuss it with nick when he's around22:45
ochosii'm not touching any of that with a 10-foot pole :)22:45
ochosiali1234: thanks for adding the comment22:49
brainwoshthis looks familiar https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150322:53
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11503 in Display Settings "xfsettingsd fails to reenable LVDS after opening lid" [Major,New]22:53

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