[04:58] <Noskcaj> thanks micahg
[04:59] <Unit193> Long gone, mate.
[16:25] <ochosi> not that anybody has noticed i guess, but spinners in all our gtk3 apps are broken
[16:25] <ochosi> i already pushed a branch for greybird and added the icon needed for it to work to elementary-xfce in git
[17:36] <elfy> brainwash: bug 1416843 
[17:36] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/3sr4Wd7.png
[17:37] <elfy> if you happen to click transmission in the panel and have shaky finger and click twice - you will in fact hit quit for it :)
[17:40] <brainwosh> elfy, ok.. but it works fine here. the menu never covers my panel
[17:42] <elfy> seems to work ok for me if panel is at top
[17:43] <brainwosh> elfy, it happens if you uncheck "reserve space on border" in the panel settings
[17:44] <elfy> mine's on intellihide currently so that option's not available
[17:45] <brainwosh> I guess it's a valid report after all
[17:45] <elfy> definitley an issue
[17:45] <elfy> yea :)
[17:45] <elfy> I'll comment
[17:45] <elfy> I'll do an upstream one too if it's needed
[17:46] <brainwosh> thanks, please mention that it's best to forward this bug upstream :)
[17:46] <brainwosh> heh :D
[17:49] <elfy> brainwosh: bug report against xfce4-panel or? 
[17:51] <brainwosh> xfce4-indicator-plugin, because only the indicator menus are affected
[17:51] <brainwosh> other panel items are fine
[17:52] <elfy> not there to report against
[17:52] <elfy> nvm
[17:54] <brainwosh> I'm not sure if the menu placement is affected by the indicator-plugin, maybe it's something in the indicator code
[17:59] <elfy> ok reported and LP updated 
[17:59] <brainwosh> thanks
[18:00] <elfy> at least I don't have to do a "It'll just get ignored why bother" :)
[18:02] <brainwosh> it's a rare case I'd guess. one has to move the panel to the bottom and configure it to not reserve space (so windows can go behind the panel)
[18:03] <elfy> brainwosh: not so rare - especially if we start giving people intellihide 
[18:03] <elfy> people have to be expected to not like the defaults :)
[18:16] <elfy> wb cjbrambo 
[18:16] <elfy> cjbrambo is rare - someone who wants to help us with testing \o/ 
[18:17] <cjbrambo> Hi hi
[18:17] <slickymasterWork> elfy, FYI http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ is up now
[18:20] <slickymasterWork> bah wrong channel
[18:20] <cjbrambo> ^ I think that leads to an answer to an upcoming question of mine.
[18:21] <elfy> slickymasterWork: zsync is still being an issue here
[18:21] <elfy> bbs
[18:21] <cjbrambo> I'm currently on 14.10
[18:23] <cjbrambo> Never mind http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150202/
[18:25] <elfy> cjbrambo: in short - because I'm still not really here :)
[18:26] <elfy> you can do one of 3 things
[18:26] <elfy> upgrade that install to 15.04
[18:26] <slickymasterWork> bbl ->
[18:26] <elfy> install 15.04 to a seperate partition
[18:26] <elfy> install 15.04 in a virt environment of some sort 
[18:26] <elfy> we'll help you once you know which you're prefer to use :)
[18:27] <elfy> I'm in and out for the next hour or so, but will be back later
[18:27] <elfy> knome pleia2 - I never know who's got control of social stuff - but could someone tweet or f/b or google the mail for trusty point testing please :)
[18:28] <pleia2> will do momentarily
[18:29] <elfy> thanks awfully :)
[18:31] <cjbrambo> I'm fine with upgrading. 
[18:42] <pleia2> all posted
[18:42] <pleia2> I'll do one reminding people about QA for stickers soon too, now that it's february
 elfy, FYI http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ is up now  It may be up, but it's really really slow and in the end I get 0 byte files (tyried twice now).  Anyone else having these problems?
[19:01] <drc> BTW, it's not my 'net connection :)
[19:02] <drc> I should note it's slow in display and refreshing, not DL'ing.
[19:03] <drc> but as I get a 0 byte file "slow" is relative :)
[19:10] <drc> OK, got a iso and md5 matches.  Not sure what happened before.
[19:26] <cjbrambo> Not off to a great start http://i.imgur.com/wP6wOkn.png
[19:32] <brainwosh_> cjbrambo, bug 1409555
[19:38] <elfy> cjbrambo: that normal - just disable them , other software in software and updates - independent
[20:10] <elfy> cjbrambo: how's it going ?
[20:11] <cjbrambo> It's upgrading.
[20:11] <elfy> nice - which method you using? 
[20:12] <cjbrambo> using the gui software updater
[20:12] <elfy> ok 
[20:41] <elfy> oh great :|
[20:45] <elfy> seems that the .2 version of trusty has ibus in it 
[20:45] <elfy> thought we got rid of that 
[20:47] <cjbrambo> elfy, the upgrade to 15.04 took quite nicely.
[20:48] <elfy> cjbrambo: excellent - this your main machine? using it a lot? 
[20:49] <cjbrambo> I use it a lot for development. But I always keep it so that I won't miss anything off it if something goes awry.
[20:51] <elfy> we call that exploratory testing, so if you use one of the default apps - for anything, please have a look at the package test for it
[20:51] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[20:52] <elfy> say you used mousepad - find that there ^^ 
[20:52] <elfy> and have a look - then you can report bugs (if you've found and reported it to LP)
[20:52] <elfy> and pass or fail 
[20:53] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases/1557/results
[20:54] <elfy> ochosi: just so you know - the .2 for trusty is about - and I have critically failed 32 and 64 bit as we seem to have ibus there again and I couldn't login with my password using US keyboard
[20:55] <brainwosh> login on the greeter screen?
[20:58] <elfy> mmm
[20:58] <elfy> now I can 
[20:58] <cjbrambo> and would it be most helpful for me to just start at the top of the test cases and work my way down?
[20:58] <elfy> cjbrambo: no need to do that :)
[20:59] <cjbrambo> heh even better!
[20:59] <elfy> we set that tracker up at cycle start, then changed what we wanted to do 
[20:59] <elfy> if you USE one of those apps - you can report against it - better to really use something than just run through a basic testcase
[21:00] <cjbrambo> Gotcha
[21:00] <elfy> brainwosh: mmm, not sure what's going on there - not got time tonight to do more
[21:01] <elfy> it'll have to wait till tomorrow now
[21:03] <elfy> cjbrambo: nice to see you - thanks for helping us all - and that means you as well if you use Xubuntu
[21:03] <cjbrambo> no problem. Been looking for a way to get involved with open source. Happy to help
[21:03] <elfy> :)
[21:04] <elfy> this is a pretty painfree way to do that :)
[21:04] <cjbrambo> Why I chose it!
[21:04] <elfy> Why I chose it too :p
[21:04] <elfy> and that coding is all a foreign land to me ... 
[21:05] <cjbrambo> I'm new to programming. So, not much I can do there
[21:06] <elfy> :)
[21:07] <elfy> well - I'll see you next time - I'm off for the night now
[21:07] <elfy> others are about off and on if you're still here later 
[21:08] <cjbrambo> Great. I'll through questions out when they arise
[21:52] <ochosi> elfy: hm, crap, that sounds bad. guess we gotta figure out what pulls it in
[22:08] <ochosi> elfy: and meh, that indicator bug sucks a bit. i'm not sure whether that's fixed best in the panel or actually in the indicator-plugin...
[22:09] <ochosi> but it could be an indicator-problem, since they are at the top of the screen in ubuntu too
[22:09] <ochosi> maybe there's some code related to that, but this is just a (very) wild guess
[22:09] <ochosi> ali1234: wanna take a peek at that ^, aka https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1416843
[22:10] <ali1234> i don't understand it
[22:10] <ochosi> it's pretty easy to reproduce
[22:11] <ochosi> move your panel to the lower end of the screen, set it to autohide or intellihide and click an indicator
[22:12] <ali1234> can't reproduce
[22:12] <ochosi> in vivid?
[22:12] <ali1234> no in 14.04
[22:13] <ochosi> oh right
[22:13] <ali1234> with the dev ppa
[22:13] <ochosi> hm, so what panel version is that then
[22:13] <ochosi> lemme check
[22:13] <ali1234> 4.11.2
[22:13] <ali1234> there is actually a gap between the panel and the menu
[22:13] <ochosi> with dev-ppa you're referring to -staging?
[22:13] <ali1234> but only at the bottom of the screen
[22:13] <ali1234> i guess yeah
[22:14] <ochosi> ok, that should be fine
[22:14] <ali1234> this is probably related to the struts bug
[22:14] <ochosi> so you're on the same panel version
[22:14] <ochosi> yeah
[22:14] <ochosi> i thought so too
[22:14] <ali1234> which has been fixed
[22:14] <ochosi> but it seems to happen exclusively with indicators
[22:14] <ali1234> although that should never cause an overlap
[22:14] <ochosi> maybe they broke something in the indicators then
[22:14] <ali1234> yeah because indicators are gtk3
[22:14] <ali1234> gtk2 menus aren't affected
[22:14] <ali1234> it is a gtk3 regression
[22:14] <ochosi> yeha, i remember now
[22:15] <ochosi> the weird thing is that with a panel at the top of the screen everything is totally fine and expected
[22:15] <ochosi> it happens only at the bottom
[22:15] <ali1234> anyway, struts but only affects multimonitor
[22:15] <ali1234> it's almost certainly related somehow
[22:15] <ali1234> ah
[22:15] <ali1234> i know
[22:15] <ochosi> wtf
[22:15] <ochosi> it also works on left and right
[22:16] <ochosi> *only* bottom is broken
[22:16] <ali1234> so you can reproduce?
[22:16] <ochosi> yeah
[22:16] <ali1234> okay
[22:16] <ali1234> i need to look somehting up
[22:16] <ali1234> hold on a minute
[22:16] <ochosi> sure
[22:16] <ochosi> i'll fix something else meanwhile
[22:17] <ali1234> bug 1397470
[22:17] <ali1234> have a look at that bug
[22:18] <ali1234> and then run the commands in it and pastebin the output for me
[22:18] <ochosi> _NET_WORKAREA(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 1920, 1200, 0, 0, 1920, 1200, 0, 0, 1920, 1200
[22:18] <ochosi> _NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY(CARDINAL) = 3200, 1200
[22:19] <ali1234> hah
[22:19] <ali1234> you have no struts at all
[22:19] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/3YD1R5X
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, the panel is set to intelligent hiding
[22:19] <ochosi> consequently, no struts
[22:19] <ali1234> okay so can you somehow make the panel unhide while running those commands?
[22:20] <ali1234> without setting it to never hide of course
[22:21] <ochosi> ah sure
[22:21] <ali1234> sleep 5 && command - then move mouse over the bottom of the screen
[22:22] <ochosi> it wasn't hidden though
[22:22] <ochosi> my terminal window wasn't maximized
[22:22] <ali1234> oh, intelligent? okay
[22:22] <ochosi> so with intelligent hiding, the panel is shown
[22:22] <ali1234> so then the problem is that the panel doesn't set struts when it unhides itself
[22:22] <ochosi> but still no struts
[22:22] <ochosi> yeah
[22:22] <ochosi> i guess that must be it
[22:22] <ali1234> simples
[22:22] <ochosi> i have no idea how to handle that though
[22:22] <ali1234> report a bug :P
[22:23] <ali1234> 13.10 didn't have gtk3 did it?
[22:23] <ali1234> indicators i mean
[22:23] <ali1234> or did it?
[22:23] <ochosi> easy, elfy has already done that: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11501
[22:24] <ochosi> no, 14.04 was the first to have gtk3 indicators iirc
[22:24] <ali1234> right, so that's why
[22:24] <ali1234> it's gtk3 again
[22:24] <ali1234> the thing is that the panel shouldn't set struts when it autohides
[22:24] <ochosi> hmm
[22:24] <ali1234> it would make all the windows it covers resize (possibly)
[22:25] <ali1234> certainly maximized ones
[22:25] <ochosi> thing is, i never touched any of the struts code and didn't test the indicators in all layout positions obviously (when i was fixing intelligent hiding, i mean)
[22:25] <ochosi> yeah
[22:25] <ali1234> i mean, autohide panel covers maximized windows right? so it should appear behind menus too
[22:25] <ochosi> so how can we work around that then?
[22:25] <ali1234> absolutely no idea
[22:25] <ali1234> i don't think we even should
[22:26] <ochosi> the sucky thing is that it works just fine in gtk2
[22:26] <ochosi> i guess i haven't really understood what gtk3 is messing up there
[22:26] <ali1234> they rewrote the menu placement code
[22:26] <ochosi> hm, ok
[22:26] <ali1234> i can't even reproduce this but i suspect that if you boot up with the panel set to not autohide, then the struts just stay the way they were always set
[22:27] <brainwosh> elfy, should the daily xubuntu trusty image include stuff from -proposed?
[22:27] <ali1234> struts and all the netwm stuff is horrible
[22:27] <ali1234> so badly broken
[22:27] <ali1234> i mean it's quite simple really
[22:28] <ochosi> hm, yeah, just tried that (restarted the panel), that didn't work. although i see why it could've
[22:28] <ali1234> too simple really
[22:29] <ochosi> so no tricks/hacks we can add to the indicator-plugin to behave more like gtk2?
[22:29] <ochosi> (not that i consider this a huge issue, it's actually rather a corner-case)
[22:30] <ochosi> so with autohide it works fine for you in 14.04?
[22:31] <ali1234> i wouldn't say fine
[22:31] <ali1234> it is actually too high
[22:31] <ali1234> wait that is because i have two panels on two monitors
[22:31] <ali1234> let me retest
[22:32] <ochosi> my first instinct was that it's a regression introduced by intelligent hiding, but then again, no struts code was touched
[22:32] <ali1234> no, it isn't
[22:32] <ali1234> it has always been "broken"
[22:33] <ali1234> it's just that only gtk3 exposes it
[22:34] <brainwosh> intelligent hiding in 14.04?
[22:35] <ali1234> actually, considering that it doesn't happen at the top of the screen, all what i just said is most likely bullshit
[22:35] <ali1234> i've got no idea :S
[22:36] <brainwosh> ping the indicator guy
[22:36] <ali1234> i could go and start an argument with gtk devs if you want
[22:37] <ali1234> this needs thorough testing inside a VM i think
[22:37] <ochosi> hmyeah, i guess so
[22:37] <ali1234> i should make a tool to mangle the struts
[22:37] <ochosi> well, frankly i'm not sure it's really worth it
[22:37] <brainwosh> you cannot even trigger this bug in unity, because the panel is always visible and placed at the top
[22:37] <ali1234> that way i can throw any nonsense and see what gdk does with it
[22:38] <ali1234> brainwosh: i bet you can
[22:38] <ochosi> i hope that we can work towards a gtk3 panel soon
[22:38] <ali1234> if you have multimonitor
[22:38] <ochosi> and then we'll have to solve this at the panel level for everything i guess
[22:38] <ali1234> the panel needs a rewrite :(
[22:38] <brainwosh> broken things everywhere
[22:38] <ochosi> not sure
[22:39] <ochosi> brainwosh: everywhere? you really seem to like overstating things
[22:39] <ali1234> argh
[22:39] <ali1234> firefox is going behind my bottom panel now
[22:39] <ali1234> hide: never, reserve space on borders -> struts are still messed up
[22:40] <ali1234> fixed it
[22:40] <brainwosh> startup notify stopped working on my desktop (root area), thunar crashed -> "double free or corruption (fasttop), some random X server complete freeze, and many more today
[22:41] <ali1234> someone found out how to reproduce the thunar crash on ascending to parent directory
[22:41] <brainwosh> and I'm just using the pc for basic stuff
[22:41] <ali1234> i'm also getting LOADS of flash plugin and firefox crashes
[22:41] <ali1234> and the odd X freeze, probably related to flash/firefox
[22:41] <ali1234> and i'm on 14.04
[22:42] <ali1234> this distro might have jumped the shark :(
[22:42] <brainwosh> remove flash
[22:42] <ali1234> i might install flashblock actually
[22:43] <ali1234> so check this rant: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10725#c13
[22:43] <ali1234> this can't be fixed without a panel abi break
[22:44] <ochosi> yeah, i've seen the report before
[22:45] <brainwosh> so much to do
[22:45] <ochosi> the only thing i can say is discuss it with nick when he's around
[22:45] <ochosi> i'm not touching any of that with a 10-foot pole :)
[22:49] <ochosi> ali1234: thanks for adding the comment
[22:53] <brainwosh> this looks familiar https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11503